Liverpool Banter Archive July 06 2017

06 Jul 2017 23:34:51
So what's the learned view on Emanuel Mammana?
I'm not a frequent Ligue 1 watcher so I wondered what people think about him.

I think he looks quick, has good timing and is very composed on the ball. He seems to like to slide tackle and I worry he could come a cropper doing this.
I actually think he could form a good partnership with Matip because they compliment each other. For 15m he could be a revelation.
What's everyone's opinion?

06 Jul 2017 23:53:08
As good as VVD? If so snap him up.

06 Jul 2017 23:55:37
How solid is the info that we are genuinely interested Ron, EDs?

07 Jul 2017 00:03:43
I think he's worth a go mate, I don't expect him to be exceptional but might be an improvement to what we currently have. I can't say I've seen loads of him but from what I have seen, yeah not bad, but as you well know the premier league is totally different, something is telling me he won't be able to handle it but we'll see and should he sign I wish him the best of luck. He could prove to be an absolute bargain, be all and end all I trust Klopp.

07 Jul 2017 01:06:57
i admit i haven't seen him play at all. but i will be very nerves if i see a 18? 19? years old stand beside matip. he may turn out to be a good player in the future but every error he makes will probably cost us points.

07 Jul 2017 01:19:37
First of all, I have not had the opportunity to watch too much European football lately, but I did watch him twice last season, and from what I can remember: overcommitts, tries to slide in way to much, comfortable on the ball but not as fast as people think. He is also not the biggest guy and I think he would initially struggle to adapt in the PL, and as such I don't see him as any more ready for the PL than Joe Gomez.

07 Jul 2017 04:28:41
Sebastian Coates version 2.0.

07 Jul 2017 06:40:20
Interesting stuff guys.
He looks quick playing in France where they seem to have a lot of quick forwards.
I think he'd compliment Matip and for £15m I'd sign him up and let Klavan go.

07 Jul 2017 06:47:24
There is a lot I like about him, but also a lot I don't like at the same time.
Not seen too much of him but from what I did see, some of the (slide) tackles he does, which is nearly all he does, I do not think he would get away with being so rash in the prem and constantly being on his arse is bad too specially if he misses the tackle and has to get up and track back.

But, he seems to have a decent amount of pace, his positioning is great (not always) but what I like the most is his passing to be honest.
I know long balls aren't really the type of game we play much of now, BUT his vision to switch play and get the ball at a teammates toe (moving or stationary) IMO reminds me of Gerrard. And his ability to switch play out of nowhere and open up a acre of space, is something we really miss.
Plus we have much faster wingers/ forwards than what Gerrard was delivering too so might work out even better :)

07 Jul 2017 06:49:29
Also to add (sorry forgot about it)
He seems to give away a LOT of corners (and with the strictness of the prem referees, a lot of free kicks) .
Corners and set pieces are not our thing and he won’t be the answer to defending them at all.

07 Jul 2017 07:04:35
I begrudgingly watched the Europa league final and I liked the look of Davidson Sanchez.
Think he'd suit our style of play, having the pace to cover on the counter when our full backs become wingers.
If we were looking to bid for raw talent to nurture he looked like he could be an interesting choice.
Ed1 talks highly of Christiansen so maybe another alternative
Not seen enough of Mamanna, in fact nothing bar YouTube compilation but he does go to ground a lot on there as Ron says.

{Ed001's Note - why do you rate Davinson Sanchez? The lad was the one who constantly turned over the ball making stupid errors that then he was forced to make needless tackles to recover the ball from. He was bloody awful in that game. He tries far too hard to play the ball, when the moment is wrong. Another Stones, though a better version, not by much.}

07 Jul 2017 07:09:12
One player isn't going to sort our corner and set piece issues in any event Phil.

They could change the defence every year but until it is drilled into them to concentrate and take individual responsibility then nothing will change. We have too few voices in the team reminded the others of that.

07 Jul 2017 07:29:15
Indeed Ron, he's definitely an improvement on Klaven in my opinion and at 15m we'd be daft not to buy him.

07 Jul 2017 07:30:51
Id get Hyypia in as a def coach as a start.

07 Jul 2017 07:55:14
I've watched a fair bit of ligue 1 (usually out of interest of weekend betting), personally I don't think he's up to the premier league. He's a bit short for a centre half and doesn't win that many headers, he's quite quick and decent on the ball, but he's not physically imposing and does get knocked off the ball quite easily, so I can't see him winning a tussle with someone like Lukaku for example. Personally I'm not convinced and whereas he'd be ok in Spain or France, he'd probably fail here.

07 Jul 2017 08:13:15
I would stay away from him. Why? Many in the french media were shocked that LFC allegedly put in a bid for him cos according to them and Lyon's followers, he is not good enough and did not show that much ability in the several games he did play in. Moral of the story? I would stay away even tho, I have not seen him play. BTW, why are we signing another rookie whereas we have Gomez chumping at the bit to get game time and since, Klavan is going nowhere (he would be the one I would sell)?

07 Jul 2017 08:20:17
Ed001 is bang on about Sanchez, he's woeful. I'd love us to throw half of what the price of VVD is at Chelsea for Andreas Christensen. Now he is the real deal, quick, good in the air and a good footballer. Physically strong, reminds me of Agger, minus the injuries.

07 Jul 2017 08:38:36
Christensen i agree with, but could you really see them selling to us? because I cant.

07 Jul 2017 09:41:53
I'll bow to your better judgement re Sanchez ed1.
I know you like Christensen. Anyone else at CB you think that's available we should go after and would be attainable?

{Ed001's Note - I was talking about that one match mate, I was wondering what you saw in Sanchez in that game to make you rate him?

As for others, no, I would go all out to get Christensen personally.}

07 Jul 2017 10:06:50
Ah right. Sorry my misunderstanding.
In that game I remember watching it, thinking that the cbs were being repeatedly exposed by Ajax pushing high, going nowhere and then Man Utd pumping it long or getting it forward quickly and Sanchez seemed to be the one snuffing out the danger.
He seemed to do this by being quick over the ground and combative.
I just thought that the way we played he would be interesting. I'll potentially get slated here but here goes, he reminded me a bit of Varane.
I'd be lying if I said I remember his distribution. I don't remember being impressed or otherwise with his work on the ball on the night.
Thanks for going easy on me!

{Ed001's Note - as I remember it, Ajax were exposed because he farted around on the ball and allowed himself and his options to be closed down. The pushing up high and winning it back, I agree he often did, but he was the one presenting it back to them and giving them the opportunity most of the time, imo.}

07 Jul 2017 10:31:43
thanks Ed
Just read a few write ups of the game to jog my memory and they encapsulate a lot of what you say
They acknowledge he made a few mistakes, one back pass which almost put rashford in and his distribution was a little erratic at times but also praise his defensive work, citing a goal saving challenge on rashford as one example.
What is it you like about Christensen?

{Ed001's Note - I like that Christensen doesn't make those silly errors on the ball very often. I like that he defends first and foremost. Good on the ball but not stupid like a Stones or Sanchez.}

07 Jul 2017 10:42:21
Interesting Ed. Thanks.
But we've not scouted Christensen as far as you're aware?

{Ed001's Note - not that I know of particularly, though Klopp and his staff do talk a lot to people in the Bundesliga about players and how they are getting on, as well as watching games. However I do not expect any interest to materialise in him sadly.}

07 Jul 2017 10:52:28
I think Chelsea are the sort of club that if the offer is right, they'll sell. Ed002 has said countless times that they don't wrap themselves up in this 'I won't sell to them' nonsense. I'd offer them £35m and see what they said.

07 Jul 2017 11:11:44
Davinson Sanchez is a headless chicken.

If we were looking at a CB from Ajax then I would hope it would be Jairo Riedewald.

But we are looking at neither.

07 Jul 2017 14:12:47
I like the cut of Mammana's jib.

To me he is like a quicker Carragher who can pass better.
He's not tall, but winning challenges in the air is as much to do with timing, positioning and leap, as it is height. Just ask Tim Cahill and Jon Walters if you don't believe me.
He's not a big unit but I've never seen him knocked off the ball and he's an Argie. We all know Argies are the "street fighters" of football and enjoy a physical battle.
As for rash challenges. I go to a lot of home matches and half the time our problem is we are too hesitant. We don't challenge the man in possession and we let them run at us and then we panic. We need someone who will put challenges in!
I also think central defenders are about partnerships and Matip has the qualities Mammana lacks and vice-versa.

Get him signed Jurgen!

06 Jul 2017 22:09:12
Ok, I know Liverpool is pretty crap in the transfer market. We can't close deals, we tap up players, we try to play money ball. But I think there's one thing we can all agree on. at least we're not everton! Rooney, giroud (only commenting on his feet at 30). It's like they lost their minds over there! I was worried with a few good signings they'd push for fourth. But they sure put me at ease!

06 Jul 2017 22:27:09
Go to bed.

06 Jul 2017 23:09:25
What the heck.

07 Jul 2017 06:14:32
We just have to concentrate on us competing for 4th or above and not worry about anyone else. The amount of times we almost let that slip ourselves last season.

07 Jul 2017 07:14:19
Giroud is decent striker. He's not good enough to win you titles but he will score 15+ goals a season.

Rooney I agree with. I can't believe he's only 31 given how much he has declined. Especially bearing in mind he hasn't been a force for about 3 years now.

07 Jul 2017 08:17:48
Make that 5 years, 87red. In fact, the last time he did anything of note was in the 90/ 10 seasons where he was very, very prolific. Since then, utter crap and stealing a living from Utd.

As for Giroud, he's like any other striker Arsenal have had in their system. They create lots of chances hence, the striker will get goals, no question. Even a pathetically poor donkey like Adebayor flourished in that system. S will Lacazette. Now, take them out of that system and they are useless hence, why Giroud is just a good striker and nothing more.

06 Jul 2017 21:33:41
If Barcelona doesn't get Verratti they are coming in for Coutinho. If they do get, PSG will come in for Coutinho. I expect either of the two to put in a huge offer for Phil!
We need to finish our signings before and start the Pre season!

06 Jul 2017 21:46:52
I agree, I think he is definitely gone this window which I'm gutted about but to me it's almost a certainty. I have a feeling this is why we're looking at Keita although I don't think we'll get him.

06 Jul 2017 22:07:54
What pessimists you are, if he leaves for PSG the year in which he helped us achieve CL football then he's a fool, what a backwards move that would be. Barcelona I can't say as I have no idea but they haven't even been mentioned lately so it'd certainly be a surprise if they went in for him without so much of a whisper.

06 Jul 2017 22:07:54
What pessimists you are, if he leaves for PSG the year in which he helped us achieve CL football then he's a fool, what a backwards move that would be. Barcelona I can't say as I have no idea but they haven't even been mentioned lately so it'd certainly be a surprise if they went in for him without so much of a whisper.

06 Jul 2017 23:11:04
We'll see HX, all guess work and opinions at this stage.

07 Jul 2017 00:01:51
HX Red you could say the same about Keita as well.

07 Jul 2017 01:09:52
nah i think phil is only going to leave us if barcelona after him. psg got no chance.

07 Jul 2017 01:21:22
Nothing new here; Harry just starting his pre-season pessimism.

07 Jul 2017 06:19:47
If Barcelona come in for him then we have a fight on our hands to keep him. If PSG come in then his only motivating factor would be the money which I don't believe will turn his head. Not many players dream of playing in France but most do to play at the Nou Camp.

07 Jul 2017 07:10:15
I am sorry but how could you rule out this possible scenario. It's no secret Barcelona are behind Verratti / Coutinho. And there are only few player who could replace Verratti at PSG. Coutinho is world class and the two clubs buy world class players!

07 Jul 2017 07:10:50
If we signed Keita and VVD then I think him going could be a slight possibility just to help provide the fees being touted.
Fact that v unlikely both will sign I think means zero chance couts goes.

07 Jul 2017 08:22:35
Couts is going nowhere this window. Move on, please and stop with the pessimism as it is getting boring esp. from the usual suspects who to them, the club, manager and players cannot do anything right unless they do what said usual suspects want.

06 Jul 2017 19:51:30
Not sure if this has been asked before. Buvac, has he had offers or are clubs interested in making him head coach anywhere? I always find some 'great' managers have a constant no.2 who probably does an awful lot without the attention.

I know it hasn't proven a good move in some respects for no.2 to Sir Alex, not sure if any became 'successful' unless obtaining a high profile job a success? McLaren did well abroad.

But Buvac seems well rated and respected. Is he just not interested?

{Ed002's Note - Mainz showed an interest a while back, other than that I don't recall anything.}

06 Jul 2017 20:49:49
I get the impression he's very loyal to Klopp, even if somewhere was interested I doubt nothing would come of it.

06 Jul 2017 21:23:30
I think they are vastly different roles and making a successful transition is rare. He would be taking a big risk with his career prospects.
Obvious exception is Sir Bob who was a genius 🏆🏆🏆.

06 Jul 2017 19:55:14
just interested does anyone have an opinion on why wouldn't we have chased Iheanacho for 25 mil?

06 Jul 2017 20:09:17
a) We already bought a striker
b) We are full of strikers.

06 Jul 2017 20:14:44
Because we have five first team strikers and play one upfront.

06 Jul 2017 20:15:49
Hi Stryker, personally I don't have an opinion why we wouldn't sign him for £25m. However I would love to hear your opinion on where you would like him to play for us? I mean the deficiency he would solve in the team. Thank you.

06 Jul 2017 20:23:07
Maybe because we have firmino, Sturridge, origi, solanke, ings and woodburn?

06 Jul 2017 20:23:25
Because we have 3 strikers around his age who all need chances and 2 others who play in that position and he's no better than any of them other than solanke and he's £25m that we haven't got for a non improvement in a position we have lots of players for. In short: we can't buy every player. We don't want every player. And we don't want him because we aren't that stupid.

06 Jul 2017 20:24:29
Because we don't need him?

06 Jul 2017 21:19:20
Have can't play at LB!

07 Jul 2017 08:33:02
The OP's post is baffling.

06 Jul 2017 18:39:12
Observation,

Solanke is very tall.


YNWA.

06 Jul 2017 19:13:31
It's all about size with you mick isn't it 😁.

{Ed025's Note - nice one..

06 Jul 2017 19:17:26
The problem is our alternative solutions for midfield and centre defence are hardly what you'd call top draw, given that it's Oxlade and someone who hasn't exactly set the world alight in France.

06 Jul 2017 19:25:52
He kicks balls for living.

06 Jul 2017 22:00:01
So lanky .

06 Jul 2017 22:00:01
So lanky .

06 Jul 2017 18:25:59
Personally i think we need to find another obsession on this page that is not keita or vvd. They are just not going to happen. Its turning into ken aguero all over again. Instead its navy keita from the ss liepzeig. 😄.

06 Jul 2017 20:16:56
Lets not forget Konoplanyka.

06 Jul 2017 16:29:20
I think united are dropping a dogs danglys by not signing morata and going for lukaku instead. I really rate morata and would lv to have him in our side . I know we not even in for him just rate him highly that's all. eds02 I know you get fed up of these kieta and vvd questions so I'll stay away from it. but do you have any idea what type of budget we have to spend or does it just depend on sales first before we would know how much roughly we have. everyone's panicking about signing vvd and kieta but surely it makes sense to get people of our wage bill and make room in our squad before spending big on someone and then realise we stuck with someone we don't want say like mam sak and Moreno who I imagine is on stupid 💰.

{Ed025's Note - lukaku is prem proven mate and morata would be a gamble, i have answered because ED002 does not discuss money mate..

06 Jul 2017 16:41:33
I may be wrong but are they not going for both players? Rooney out Zlatan out Lukaku and Morata in?

06 Jul 2017 16:45:25
Lukaku has the worst first touch for any player in the league and his stats against Big 6 is utter crap while he will murder the bottom teams. Jose likes those big tall and physical monsters up front!

06 Jul 2017 16:52:20
The worst first touch of any player in the league? I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

06 Jul 2017 16:53:14
Jose probably play him full back against a top 6 side lol 😂. cheers ed25 for the reply much appreciated 👍.

06 Jul 2017 16:56:30
Eds 02 bit like my Mrs she goes quiet when I talk about my money as well 🤔👍.

06 Jul 2017 19:41:09
Good striker. Prem proven!

06 Jul 2017 15:58:56
Anyone know where Alansbarnet and Decker are need to know if the bus was delayed on all these players they suggested would more or less be done by now?

I'm sure we should have signed Keita, VVD and Robertson by now according to their "sources".

{Ed002's Note - They have simply been posting nonsense from Twitter - that should have been obvious to you.}

06 Jul 2017 16:13:20
I belive he is beinf sarcastic, Mr. Ed.

06 Jul 2017 16:40:02
Correct Smed!

06 Jul 2017 16:50:02
😂😂 nice one Bobby.

06 Jul 2017 15:39:47
I'm hearing the Navy Keita deal is now on the rocks.

We're a sinking ship right now!

06 Jul 2017 15:53:15
it's going to be a Titanic battle to sign him.

i'll get my coat.

06 Jul 2017 16:03:42
People sure do overreact during these Windows.

06 Jul 2017 16:14:16
Reet i think you took the bait.

06 Jul 2017 16:37:21
Yes I did. I'll leave now : (.

06 Jul 2017 16:37:57
Not sure the deal was ever afloat.

06 Jul 2017 16:50:04
It's like a fish outta water if you ask me.

Baz.

06 Jul 2017 17:31:11
All right lads, Reet made a mistake. No need to go overboard!

{Ed025's Note - love it MK..

06 Jul 2017 18:18:36
Dont worry reet have a drop of port, our star-board will get the deal done.

06 Jul 2017 18:36:36
Stop picking on him before he starts floundering and behaving like a fish out of water.

06 Jul 2017 18:37:13
Sorry baz I didn't sea you'd got there first,

06 Jul 2017 19:34:34
Why would it be on the rocks? It was never on to begin with.

06 Jul 2017 20:44:38
If these negotiations fall through, then our transfer committee are proper anchors.

07 Jul 2017 00:24:27
Can we move on? There's bigger fish to fry!

07 Jul 2017 03:10:25
Ive haddock enough of these puns. This isn't the plaice for it.

06 Jul 2017 15:15:18
Afternoon all, Eds in regard to the expansion of anfield I've seen the work they are doing to the Kop as we speak, although any amount of seats added is a bonus will the club eventually build the kop higher and further back or will the work be done after the corners of the stand are expanded?

{Ed002's Note - This is probably just finishing off what wasn't completed last summer. The Phase 2 will be adding seats to take it up to the final 60k limit but it will likely not be financially viable to do it just yet. The plans can probably be viewed on the Liverpool City Council or club website - someone may even be able to provide a link.}

06 Jul 2017 16:04:54
Correct me if I'm wrong but its not the Kop that will get any larger expansion outside of the current disabled facilities being renovated.

The Anfield Road end is the proposed next phase of expansion.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea - it is a long time since the plans were submitted and it will be a while before any work is done.}

06 Jul 2017 16:19:28
Bobby is correct. It's the anfield rd not the kop.

06 Jul 2017 19:13:34
I live the other side of Stanley park (unfortunately) and I see anfield more or less every day, the club have took the two corners of the kop away to join onto the main stand and the centenary stand and that is not the disabled section.

06 Jul 2017 20:48:29
Thanks very much Ed I will have a look through the city council website now, was it originally planned to expand the kop last summer though Ed? I thought plans were for the main stand and anfield road originally. I was quite surprised when the club started work on the kop.

06 Jul 2017 21:25:30
The Kop is set for a summer makeover with Liverpool FC looking to add a further 470 seats to the world famous stand.

The proposed building work forms part of a planning application submitted to the city council as the Reds look to improve provisions for disabled supporters ahead of the 2017/ 18 season.

Around 1,000 seats will need to be moved in order for Liverpool to meet the requirements of the Accessible Stadia Guide. The number of wheelchair bays will be increased from 195 to more than 250.

The changes will have an impact on general admission seats and some season ticket holders will also have to be relocated elsewhere in the stadium. However, Liverpool insist that Anfield’s 54,000 capacity won’t be reduced as a result of the changes.

06 Jul 2017 11:32:07
Eds,

Long time follower - this is only decent and reliable place for all things LFC especially at this time of year!

Having watched the confederations cup recently both Hector and Werner were outstanding for Germany - do we currently hold any current interest in either? I question whether Robertson is actually a step up on Milner, he did nothing for me last season in a very poor side!

The 'be patient' urges are leaving me with little optimism given how poor we have conducted ourselves recently.

Any good news Eds? Who should we, as fans, be keeping an eye on? Thanks for the hard work 👍🏻.

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in Werner but not from Liverpool. Hector is not expected to move and there is no interest from Liverpool - but others may still may move for him. In terms of other news I think everything has been covered here already.}

06 Jul 2017 11:59:59
You have Ed thank's a million.

06 Jul 2017 13:55:02
Hector wasn't outstanding.

06 Jul 2017 14:21:53
Hector plays in an ultra-offensive system with Germany and when they lose the ball, they are as open as the Red Sea, which is why Chile had so many chances to score. I think he plays in midfield for Koln. If Hector comes here, he will struggle big time as he is not a good defender cos he does not play in a system that requires him to actually, defend.

06 Jul 2017 15:04:37
agreed BR.

06 Jul 2017 20:15:05
Are we not looking at offensive full back anyways 🤔.

06 Jul 2017 10:33:48
Morning eds

Ive read in the Echo (I no its the Echo before you pull me up) that Keita is pushing for a move to us. You explained on Sunday that Rbl would sell if 2 things happened. 1 being Lfc met his value and 2 being if the player pushed for the move.

Are you aware of the player showing a desire to move ed at this stage?

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure which Ed told you that. Right now the situation is clear - and it has been explained over and over.}

06 Jul 2017 11:33:46
Its funny how the media from england and germany adress this situation differently.

English Media: Liverpool are hoping to announce the transfer of Keita in the next few days (guardian from today)
German Media: Keita won't be going nowhere (because of the statements of the owner) .

On another Site where i usually read a lot of things the %-rating for the Keita transfer is currently at 26% so i think IF the transfer goes through it won't happen any time soon.

06 Jul 2017 11:41:56
As in, the player has been tapped up by Klopp and the club, no bid has been put in even tho, LFC could still bid for him. Moral of the story? Keita as of right now, is not coming.

06 Jul 2017 12:02:24
It all points to it not happening. So why are we wasting our time chasing a player unsettling him of we have zero chance in getting him and not put a bid in for.

We need to move on imo.

06 Jul 2017 13:53:12
This transfer in my opinion will not happen, we're wasting our time discussing it. Stop trusting the media.

06 Jul 2017 14:06:42
I have no idea, Mighty.

06 Jul 2017 09:54:53
Hi all fellow reds

Don't post much but thought I'd add a post regarding people's comments on our transfer activity.
Whilst like most other fans/ supporters I check daily on here and any other source I can for any news on transfers. Only natural for us to want the best possible squad to get back to where we used to be. However some people on here seem deluded or quite arrogant towards transfers. Yes we are a big club, yes we have an amazing history one of the best in football, yes we have a respected manager who players want to work with, but this doesn't translate to every footballer mentioned in my transfer gossip coming to us, wanting to come to us or us wanting them, there are better teams out there unfortunately who have more pulling power than us and also handle their transfer activity without tapping up, with out under bidding by tens of millions and who don't take the piss out of other teams.
We have become an embarrassment in transfers and are probably avoided by teams in business or the are quite right to add extra fees on so as not to report us to fifa.
I want the best squad available and I'd rather Liverpool fc went about their business so quietly and respectfully that no one had any gossip than have what we have now.
I've no doubt we will get players in, I've no doubt unless they are world class most people on here will slate them b4 they even kick a ball for us.
Every one needs to accept that as a club we have a lot to put right with transfers including klopps comments and obvious tapping up. Whilst a good manager we obviously haven't learned about keeping our manager quiet since brs attempts at speaking to the press.
Until we learn and change the way we do our business we risk paying over the odds or being avoided, in the meen time we all just need to sit back stop asking the same question over and over again about every player who gets transferred so the eds don't explode.
Hopefully we will get a couple of defensive targets in and leave it at that. Don't need anything else so why spend more debt for players we don't need.

Sorry for rant/ long post but why oh why ask about every player every day

Lifelongred.

{Ed025's Note - you need to post more mate..

06 Jul 2017 10:04:24
Gordy and lifelong. two excellent posts today. Nice to see some fans with some sence. If im ohnest i believe fifa and fm put these dreams in peoples heads that just aren't reality. Oh yea and caughtoffside they had me going for a bit once!

06 Jul 2017 10:23:20
Solid post pal.

06 Jul 2017 10:32:01
Very good post mate, I couldn't agree more.

06 Jul 2017 10:36:47
I think we should not always be Kloppite like we do on here. He might get us the title but he is a clown. An adamant one at that. now i don't doubt that he will get us to the top, but i think it is more FSG pumping money into the club to buy more than decent players for every position that will get us there.
His style has been found out way too many times. His pressing leaves our defense horribly exposed. he yaps too much to too many people. he is breaking rules. he has told the world about our transfer targets. He is over friendly and not astute. he has lied to few players young ones at that. He does not consider rotation in squad much.
the only quality i see in him as a manager is he could be great motivator and a good friend to the players. he might have improved a few of them though that also speaks a lot about the player.
I think with the team form we had last season any manager could have got us top 4. if anything i didn't see anything from him when we had our January phase. no changes tactically or on team sheet. no particular chances to youth when we needed a new spark. ( To be very fair i understand he did not have options either)
I think a lot of fans just see Klopp with tinted glasses.

Our attack has improved because of the quality of players we have had in attack in last 4-5 seasons.
BR had us almost win the league and most people attribute it two quality of suarez and studger but last year we got top 4 because of klopp? bullsh*t*, it was again the quality of players in attack we had.

We have never really replaced RAFA. So RAFA back please.
On serious note our manager too has to pull his socks up to LFC level. This is not dortmund, this is not bundesliga. This is LFC and friendliness and clowning around, utter casusalness doesn't work here. He needs to be shrewd, commanding and he needs to dominate these press meets giving nothing away. He needs to get angry, very f****ng angry this season.

06 Jul 2017 11:29:17
So you suggest people not to post anything on the site? The site name is liverpool transfer rumors, what else should someone do here?

06 Jul 2017 12:01:45
Fantastic post Lifelongred.

06 Jul 2017 12:03:38
You don't remember Rafas reign that well if you think rotation is the way forward. He was a constant tinkerer with his first eleven and it drove a lot of the fans crazy. Player purchases were often dubious and, despite all the years he had with us, he never won the league either.
Ill always hold Rafa in high regard for winning the Champions League and for being big-hearted outside of the game but you are not going to find solutions by looking backwards. Time to move on from Rafa.

06 Jul 2017 12:27:29
Akshit, I disagree with parts of your post. The idea that our team improving under Klopp is due to the quality of the players he has, and not to him Or that we improved due to the players' quality and not to him, is patently false and dishonest. "Any manager could have gotten us top 4 last season" is simply wrong with no basis in reality. If that was the case, why did BR fail to do that with the very same core of players he had and got rightly sacked for it?

Let me remind you that before Klopp came to us, we were 11th and BR was putting out utter dross on the pitch with the very same players we have now (at least most of them) . The very same players that he was trashing in the media whenever he was under pressure to save his own ego.

Many thought that Can, Firmino, Lallana, Hendo, Lovren and Migs, were useless and needed to be gone BUT now, they are our spine. BR could get nothing done with these players in the 14/ 15 and early in the 15/ 16 seasons BUT Klopp got them playing better, got to two ( a European final) cup finals (I know, we didn't win BUT to get there alone with the team we had was very good) while scoring a shed load of goals. Who do you think did all that? That would be Klopp. Does he have his flaws? Absolutely and I am actually worried about him cos his mistakes are beginning to pile up BUT come on, give the man his due.

The simple fact is that we are a better outfit than when Klopp arrived and this can be supported by statistical and empirical evidence (16 points more than the season before, more goals scored than the season before, less goals conceded than the season before) . You may not want to give him his due and that's fine BUT you are wrong cos the facts I posted proves the utter contrary.

06 Jul 2017 12:52:01
Stay away from the kool-aid Brussels.

06 Jul 2017 13:29:31
If you know me, I don't think they were suggesting to not post at all, I think they mean more the constant same questions day after day. And to be fair, I've even seen plenty of regular posters literally repeating the same lines/ posts/ opinions about players day after day, to whoever will listen/ read. There's a search function for a reason, say it once maybe twice and trust if people want to read it they will. Otherwise we're running the risk of ruining this unique, reputable website. Great post lifelongred.

06 Jul 2017 14:13:46
It's not Kool-Aid, Putney. It's facts. Plain and simple facts. Klopp gets the credit or blame for how we finish the season. You cannot want to criticize him for what he gets wrong and then give the credit for whatever we get as success or improvement under him, to BR's "foundation"-laying (the same foundation that was crumbling till Klopp arrived and fixed it) or to the players' talent, as if a coach has no impact on that. That is illogical, dishonest and patently false. If you cannot disprove the facts as I posted (which you have never done in our discussions) then I take it that you agree with them. Love your posts tho. Cheers, my friend.

06 Jul 2017 14:44:35
Tia 19 exactly mate. its hard work some times 😉.

06 Jul 2017 15:53:03
Brussels, it is impossible to disprove facts, that's what makes them facts. What is possible is to cherry pick facts that back up an argument and ignore all the others, but you know all about that don't you.

06 Jul 2017 20:20:48
TIA

There are countless posters on this site and most show up during the transfer time! You wouldn't find half of them once the season starts. In fact you could literally count them. Some use the search button while others don't! The site is growing with the additions of new posters. That's my view mate! I don't think anyone deliberately want to annoy the editors or other posters!

06 Jul 2017 09:38:12
Morning all,

With two signings completed so far and no departures, just wondering how much do we have in the bank for players without the need to sell. I assume funds would release "when" we offload Sakho.

Thanks.

{Ed025's Note - the sakho transfer has nothing to do with it vageto, liverpool have money its just down to how much they want to spend and on who mate..

06 Jul 2017 10:34:57
I honestly can't see us getting rid of Sakho unless we lower the price for him.

06 Jul 2017 13:21:56
Vageto, has Wisdom not departed? (The player, though reading these pages mote wisdom could be a good thing 😉)

06 Jul 2017 19:23:25
I haven't heard anything about wisdom mate. And thanks for the replies folks 👍🏽.

07 Jul 2017 08:08:08
Off to Derby.

06 Jul 2017 09:05:26
Everton have spent large sums of money on players this summer with more to follow I'm sure.

Eds when was Damien Comolli appointed their director of football I missed that one?

{Ed025's Note - our DOF is steve walsh mate..

06 Jul 2017 09:17:37
😂😂 I'm only messing ed25.

{Ed025's Note - i was not sure irish with there being no smiley face at the end, but we are head hunting ian ayre mate.. :)

06 Jul 2017 10:22:44
To be fair it did look like a serious question. What do you think about Rooney possibly coming back?

I personally think he's going to be paid high wages and sit on the bench.

06 Jul 2017 08:46:44
Eds, if you had the final choice would you go ahead and buy third or fourth choice options or would you Decide not to spend the money and maybe wait for a better option in January?

{Ed002's Note - In a way it depends. If it is a crucial position with no cover then it is necessary to buy and the club will return to consider players they looked at during the previous season. So in the case of Liverpool, they do need a left winger and first choice as we know was Julian Brandt but that wasn't possible. Neither was Marco Asensio who Liverpool enquired about and possibly even Keita Balde Diao (although I cannot confirm that). They settled on Salah who isn't naturally a left winger but he is left footed. In other cases it makes little sense to buy a third choice or fourth choice player if it is for a non-critical position as you will come to the point of not improving the squad but simply padding it out - and of course that takes up another squad position.}

06 Jul 2017 11:32:18
Great question, I was going to ask that! How far down the list would you go before you decide to save your money, that is after all what Klop basically said we did in Jan. Is there a sliding.

06 Jul 2017 11:28:00
LB, CB and CM are just as crucial as LW according to me. We have no genuine LB, Our CB has contributed to an average of 50 goals per season and our CM's are like headless chicken in the absence of Coutinho.
The club in previous years brought some duds and you can't blame a fan pointing out them. I am hopeful they are slowly realizing the mistakes they did previously. Offloading players who are not worth and bringing players who would take us further up from 4th place trophy!

Salah was not mine first choice either but then he is better than having NO ONE!
We need to wrap up Kieta. He is such an important player according to me will bring balance in both attack and defensive stability in that midfield.
Roberson is not my first choice LB either, I am not sure why the club has been limited wih their options.
VVD is an excellent CB ( Had the club conducted the process in proper manner, player would have been at Anfield long long ago! )

Cheers.

06 Jul 2017 12:38:34
I am of the opinion that Salah will be a very good signing for us even tho, he was not first choice. He is more proven and more experienced than Brandt is (who himself admitted that he was not ready to make the jump to a big club yet) while Salah has already played for a big club in AS Roma and knows what it takes to succeed at one. Not too sure about Keita Balde BUT he was not interested in coming to us as he preferred Juve/ Milan while Salah is an LFC fan and always wanted to come here. Salah any day, IMO.

{Ed025's Note - when you say always wanted to come here...

06 Jul 2017 14:16:10
Salah mentioned it in his interview and Ed01 said so as well, Ed025.

{Ed025's Note - i was recalling when he said he wanted liverpool and promptly signed for chelsea brussels..

06 Jul 2017 14:21:37
Ed025, he always harboured a dream to play for the second best team in Liverpool, but as he's progressed beyond Liverpool Reserves, he's now happy that he deserves to play for the No1 team :)

{Ed025's Note - he got his wish then now hes playing for the second best zed.. :)

06 Jul 2017 06:58:58
Eds.
Any idea how much truth is in the reports that Klopp is only keeping Sturridge due to the fact he is too expensive to replace and not because he wants too.
Surely if he was sold then that's 15-30 mill in the bank and 100-120k a week saved.
Wouldn't that mean Aubemeyang at 70 mill and 200k a week would be an investment of 40-55 mill and then 100k a week extra on our budget.
Plenty of other strikers out there who are cheaper as well.
Not saying sell Sturridge as I'm a big fan but clearly Klopp isn't and I can't buy this he's too expensive to replace.

{Ed001's Note - more dribble in the papers that we have to waste our time dismissing because people do not see how much nonsense it is.}

06 Jul 2017 08:23:42
This obviously complete rubbish.

How exactly is it more expensive to replace a player than it is to keep an unwanted one on 100k+ a week?

As Ed said, absolute tosh.

06 Jul 2017 09:11:02
I'm not sure it's fair to say that Klopp isn't a fan, Studge has played really well for klopp, the only reason he may have even looked at the options is because of Studge's injuries.

{Ed025's Note - klopp did ask "how injured do you have to be not to play" which was directed at studge putney, me and klopp have a lot in common mate.. :)

06 Jul 2017 12:55:24
Cheers ed I was hoping that was going to be the answer.

06 Jul 2017 12:58:12
Think you've read more into it than he ment ed, he's frustrated because he hasn't been able to play studge as much as he'd like.

{Ed025's Note - it might just be me hoping mate.. :)

06 Jul 2017 12:55:24
Cheers ed I was hoping that was going to be the answer.

06 Jul 2017 14:22:42
"Me and Klopp have a lot in common"

Di you tap up Ed042 then, Ed025?

Is that why Reet is walking a little funny?

{Ed025's Note - me and jurgen are like twins zed, both dont rate studge and do our best to trash LFC mate.. :)

05 Jul 2017 22:08:19
ED001 what's your thoughts on tony Barrets new role with the club? Positive news?

{Ed001's Note - why would it be positive news? The guy is a journalist, what transferable skills does he have? This is another of those 'give him the job and see if he can do it' appointments that the club have been making in recent years. I hope he does really well in the role, but it seems an odd appointment to me.}

06 Jul 2017 07:37:12
Think it's a great appointment myself.

{Ed001's Note - why? Has he any experience or skills to fulfil the role?}

06 Jul 2017 08:54:57
Ed, I think its a positive appointment because he is foremost a LFC fan with an already good relationship with the fans which was apparent in the widely acceptance by fans on social media. His job is to be a gap between the club and fans not making critical decisions for the club. And he has more experience in social media handling which I think stand him in good stead for the job. That is my own take on the situation.

{Ed001's Note - I would rather they just got someone who was good, than someone who was a fan favourite because he is a fan himself. Being able to tell fans what they want to hear, which is what he did previously, is not what the role requires.}

06 Jul 2017 10:31:39
You should have got the job ed001. 👍.

06 Jul 2017 10:31:39
You should have got the job ed001. 👍.

{Ed001's Note - not so sure about that, it involves social media and hate those sites. Instafaketwattbookergram, they should all be abolished and everyone would be a lot happier in life.}