Liverpool Banter Archive May 06 2013

06 May 2013 22:51:57
hi eds hope all is okay, would love to hear your opinion on who would be good realistic targets for Liverpool in the summer not really a rumour bbut think people would love to hear what you think thanks fir any repky {Ed001's Note - Medel, Honda (I know I always suggest those two, but they are both players we could get if we went for them and would improve the team), Botia and the Bilbao left back Jon Aurtenetxe. That would be my idea of a good summer window and all are players we could realistically get.}

Id like to see San Jose come back from Bilbao. Any chance Ed? {Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}

06 May 2013 21:47:18
I think danny rose would be a great addition to our squad any chance of it happening JON96

Agreed but he's most likely to be spurs starting left back unless Avb is crazy

Or unless AVB buys in someone better

06 May 2013 21:19:31
Ed fellow reds, if Sunderland go down would we be interested in Adam Johnson and Gyan

No, and no. The only Sunderland players I would consider are Mingolet and Sessegnon. Even then, they would be last resorts at best.

Gyan doesn't play for them anymore, your stuck in last season bro
ali g

Adam Johnson is awful! How he ever got an England cap is staggering.

06 May 2013 20:20:46
Have we being linked with any decent players recently? because last time I checked on here the likes of Ashley Williams and Andreas Weimann was being mentioned. We need quality not average guys again for big money. Coutinho was a gem of a find and I'd like us to go for another South American to replace Downing in Leandro

Apparently you're looking to re-sign Emile Heskey

AJH

And there was me thinking it was Djemba-Djamba

Nicky D

06 May 2013 14:41:01
eds, do u think we will sign a dm providing competition/cover for lucas? any targets we are looking at? {Ed052's Note - we may move for a midfielder. Who. I dont know.}

It will be a player from Chile. 100 %.

06 May 2013 17:42:14
Liverpool are coming to Cape Town! I've been a supporter for 20 years and I've never seen them live, but I've never missed a game, really excited it might seem small to some but this is bigger then my wedding!

Leem

You're not alone mate, there's fella's born and brought up in our city who each claim to be Liverpool's No. 1 fan, and they've never seen them live either. Anyhow, hope you enjoy. 007

Can't wait either! been 20 years since I saw them at Anfield! had to put up with going to a spurs game in Cape Town a couple of years back. Revenge on my spuds supporting mate finally. Something to look forward to pre-season! Welcome to RSA!!
Al from Somerset West

06 May 2013 20:29:30
Nice one leem, really pleased your going to get to see the lads live. Hope we give you a good performance and you enjoy it, something to tell your grand kids that.

Waro

06 May 2013 17:10:56
Any idea who is replacing Rodgers next season?i
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Apparently FSG are disappointmented with his performance.

They don't mess around these people.

Quietly moved on I am told.

Tonka

06 May 2013 18:31:09
Haha, funny joke! Hilarious actually:) good one tonka!

Tonka needs a new keyboard.

Rodgers had a video conference with the bosses weeks ago.

He has been walking a tight-rope ever since.
Old news that.

Glenn

So FSG give him limited funds compared to squad depth and give him an impossible target to reach, then sack him?

JOZLFC {Ed002's Note - Limited funds? Where do you get that from?}

Get back to school and concentrate on getting an education, fool

Considering how many players we needed compared to the transfer money he has had its not that much at all, look at the squad kk had and he got over 100m, sick of reading that were not a club who buys success, but I hate to say it but that's exactly what FSG tried to do, the difference is now, they are not willing to risk it again hence the "youth policy" on transfers.

JOZLFC {Ed002's Note - You need a sugar daddy - like Portsmouth perhaps.}

Liverpool have many foreign fans.

Not all have good English.

Having said that, there are quite a few English on this site who don't know the difference between;their and there.
That is just a beginning.

As for Liverpool, I expect a few profound changes this summer.

Ronnie.

Not seen Rogers sign or been given the green light to try and sign £30m players on £250k per week.

So I would say we are limited unlike United, Chelsea and City.

Nicky D {Ed002's Note - Alas poor Liverpool.}

06 May 2013 22:25:53
Mate FSG didn't give kenny 100M they gave 30M in fact they have back rodgers more then kenny, kenny sold players to boost his kity, hence why from now rodgers needs to sale players to boost hist kity,

Dalglish net spend-30M

Rodgers net spend-60-70M

Owners have spent more money from their own pockets to back rodgers compare to kenny!

If rodgers has desire to spend money like kenny then he needs to sale players like kenny!

Nice to see a bit of sympathy shown ed2, after another painfully poor League finish from my beloved Reds. :-)

Nicky D {Ed002's Note - Actually I think the team has generally played really well and does not need too much to put right in teh summer. There are well thought of youngsters coming thru which bodes well.}

Rodgers has had plenty to spend. £25m + on Allen and Borini and £20m + for Sturridge and Coutinho. Our net spend isn't as little as people think. I think FSG have been supportive up to a point and responsible but this summer is crucial. CB and DM have to be addressed

FSG, have indeed spent quite a bit of money.

It would have been more wisely spent on a top class management team.

Stirling.

Net spend is irrelevant! Money from player sales is still their money however you look at it and kk had over 100m of it to get CL football. Also can't see how 45m is a massive amount considering a very small squad we had and what options for players do you have?

JOZLFC

07 May 2013 16:08:18
Rodgers has spent 60-70m not 45M at the sametime bought players like Allen for 18M and sturridge for 17M and borini for 12M and coutinho for 8M and assaidi for 3M and sahin 4-5M 6months loan and some youngsters,

Now he wants another midfield then why waste 18M for allen, and if we buy another midfield where will Allen play?

He wants another winger then why he bought assaidi, just to waste wages and money

He wants another striker then what about borini? Again will warm the bench!

Rodgers bought players like Allen, assaidi, sturridge, coutinho, sahin (6months loan) borini etc only coutinho and sturridge have conributed this season, others are just collecting wages for free and warming the bench, that says a lot why we are stuck in midtable, from 60-70M only 2 players have contributed this season and again he is looking for some players for same position which he bought last season eg: midfield, winger, striker etc!

Ok so he's had 60m, let's say 30m in 2 windows. Then take into account how many players he has needed to bring in and how he has been restricted on players he can buy who fit the FSG profile. What is he suppost to do? Your reply just sums up how bad the policy is! No matter how good the scouting system is, its not going to work all the time. It's frustrating when you can see we're nearly there, at times this season we have looked incredible, 3 or 4 quality experienced players and we would walk into the top 4 the way we have been playing, but FSG won't take the risk after their "all in" on kk

JOZLFC

06 May 2013 17:31:00
Does anyone, now this could well just be me, believe that Henderson can become a good right back?

I am a big fan of Jordan Henderson, absolutely love his attitude/mentality, and for me he needs to be in the starting 11 no matter where he plays.

He doesn't quite have the quality in the final 3rd to be a regular out wide, or in the #10 role. Nor does he quite have the diverse range of passing that's required as a 'regista'.

Full back could well be for him. Now, no doubt he would need serious work on positioning, when to show on outside/inside etc. But with his mentality he would work and work on it.

I remember a game last season, away v Blackburn. After going down to 9 men, he went right back, and was superb, which shows there's potential.

Thoughts?

You are deluded, just because someone played in a position well once does not mean they give up their lifelong position. ferdinand played as keeper once after all keepers were sent off, is he a keeper now?? he is being plsyed at mid each game and do you think Johnson would be replaced by a player not even in his position. don't waste peoples time reading your post
Ali g

06 May 2013 21:15:30
Henderson hasn't got enough outright pace to be a top right back, yes he could fill in, if there was an emergency, but to me, he is the modern day midfielder, up and down all day, has good technique and vision, but best of all, has a outstanding attitude, and is a model proffesional! So please brendan has seen the player that was hiding last year, but has we know, the 1st year at anfield is diffilcult for most! People don't realised how much confidence plays in sport! Just look at cisse (newcastle) and jelavic (blue sh*te) last year to this year!

Am I really deluded?

I could list numerous players that have adopted a new position, different to their youth days, that they have now made their own.

Does Gareth Bale ring a bell, Mr 'Ali G'?

Also, I did not for one second suggest he should play right back, just because of one game. That was simply something I brought up to the topic, due to it's relevance.

Thank you for the reply, though.

Honestly. He'd be ok going forward.
But, our problems would be his defensive skills.
Watch any time he tracks back to help out enrique or Downing when he's played out wide. He covers, yes, but he's always very lost.

Fullback is just that, back! first and foremost, you must be a good defender. His tackling technique and pace in defence means ZERO if he can't read the game properly from a defensive standpoint.
People have this view that fullbacks are not important and all you need is a makeshift. Although part-timers can fill in for a certain period of time. Ultimately, you'll see a team play much better when they have a good pair of defensive/attacking fullbacks.

You mean Gareth Bale, the player bought as a winger from Southampton, moved to LB where he never showed much and was on the verge of being moved on before going back to his actual position and become a world class player? Bale was always LW. And yes you are deluded in thinking that a player we bought two years ago, after 2 years of regularly receiving rubbish from certain fan sections, would stay with us if we decided 'you're now going to be a RB, not a midfielder like you've always been and wanted to be' {Ed001's Note - Bale was a left back at Southampton, who played a few games at LW when they were short there. He joined Spurs as a LB, but struggled badly there.}

I'm not at all suggesting that Henderson would slot in at Right Back and take to it like a duck to water. I did emphasise that it would take a lot of work on the training pitch to improve his defending side of his game, and positioning etc.

But if there was one player in our squad that was determined to do whatever he can to get himself in to the team, it's Jordan Henderson.

I only suggested he play Right Back because he doesn't have a position in the team, he's very versatile, which could well become his downfall in the future.

I don't see him cementing himself a position in the centre of midfield, as Gerrard will go on for years and Joe Allen (despite what people say) will become a very good player for Liverpool. I don't believe either that he could play as a #10 or out wide on a regular basis.

06 May 2013 16:36:22
Is it just me or are the Warrior kits amazing and are really going old school, using old crest and transforming old kits, much better than adidas

Their away kits are ghastly

If you look on sightings a guy called Mello uploaded home and away kits on 7 Feb. He got the home kit pretty much spot on. But just take a look at the away kit!!

YouTube the game reina and Sturridge played on the lfc website bratack I think and about 2. 05 seconds in coutinhio comes out for a split second in the third kit.

Quigz23

Couldn't see anything quigz

06 May 2013 15:30:33
If we don't get champions league in the next few seasons, Liverpool will stop functioning as a big club. i. e debts and costs of running a big club will be higher than the revenue generated, ticket prices will go up and we might loose much needed sponsors after their contract expires.
if all this happens then we will turn into a mid table team for good, WE NEED CL IN NEXT 2 SEASONS

Just Hope BR knows what he is doing this season, what do u think lads?
ali g

How many times have spurs been in the champs league? Once or twice? Are they a mid table team for good? Get a grip of yourself for goodness sake

06 May 2013 13:32:14
I think we need to replace glen Johnson pronto, if he was Spanish playing like that would he get anywhere near the national team? He isn't particularly fast to make up for his mistakes like kyle walker so someone else has to make up for them. This is why our centre backs have been so poor they are constantly covering for his mistakes, they also do not have enough pace to do that.

I think we should sign either sam byram or martin Montoya to replace him. Both can still be moulded ito our system and Montoya would have already experienced it. Although this transfer window there seem to be higher priority positions.

Lil Red

This is ridiculous, saying our wing backs don't have enough pace, Glen Johnson is the second quickest Rb in the pl and enrique is in the top ten. They have been a decent pairing and just need to work on their defence.
what you mean to say is maybe they need challengers for that position, don't worry martin kelly is coming back next season

There's no denying Johnson has pace but his thinking and decisions on the ball are slow he gives away possession far to often and stupidly.

For the wages he's on and the fee we could get for johnson he needs replacing I agree, he makes too many mistakes

If you're going to judge all our players on whether or not they'd get into the Spanish national side we'll have to become Barcelona before you'll be happy

Red Ollie

It true Johnson is quite fast, he'd be quick enough for most other systems but for ours you need to be walker quick or Enrique quick, which is why when Enrique makes a mistake its usually covered by his pace and strength, Johnson makes too many mistakes and can't always cover them up so it does drag down the rest of the defence.

Lil Red

Lil red, Johnson is quicker than enrique, enrique covers back slow people and doesn't advance much so doesn't have to cover back much

Red Ollie Johnson mostly gets into the national team on rep, playing for lfc and the fact no-one else challenges him enough, if we were to judge every Liverpool player on spain hardly anyone would get in, i'm not judging him against spain's players i'm saying if he was making that many mistakes and he was from a different country, he wouldn't be in their national team.

johnson has some pace but not enough, he is more of an athlete rather than a sprinter, using power and stamina instead of speed.

I'm not happy for our defense to be struggling, so if we sign a faster centre back and Johnson makes less mistakes he can stay, but the fact he needs a defensive winger to be effective is worrying, Enrique is more than fast enough and usually dominates his flank and 2nd poster I said centre backs not wing backs, if a player doesn't make many mistakes they don't need loads of speed to make up for it but Johnson makes many mistakes and has many lapses in concentration.

Lil Red

Johnson has been decent defensively the past season/18-months he's covered for skrtel's mistakes and carra's lack of pace plenty of times this season, the only problem with him is he can lose possession when trying to dribble forward now and then due to poor decision making/lack of skills.
in the bpl this season i'd only put zabaleta and rafeal above him. walker being "potential" better than johnson because of pace, but johnson has that versatility for left back.

06 May 2013 13:20:55
Hi ed's great site.
I don't normally submit anything however I have heard some rumours from several people which seem credible.
Rumours linking Liverpool with Douglas (free), McCarthy (5mill) [possibly MOTM fever] and Eriksson (16mill). I assume there will be others as well but I thought very realistic. Would be great to hear your thought eds and posters alike. Keep it up.
Sam 29

06 may 2013 12:50:02
hello fellow reds,
we have to win the next 2 matches and hope everton lose both or lose 1 and draw 1 to come above them on goal difference, have faith reds.

last 2 games: fulham (a) and qpr (h)

last 3 seasons:
year w d l g. fsg g. a pts pos
09/10 18 9 11 61 35 63 7th
10/11 17 7 14 59 44 58 6th
11/12 14 10 14 47 40 52 8th

12/13 14 13 9 67 42 55

so we come to the time to ask ourselves, are we making progress?
discuss

ali g

Well with two wins we will have had our best points tally in 3 seasons. I think that after the worst start to a season in X years that is a progression.
derryred

06 May 2013 14:28:41
I think after spending 60-70M is failure!

To the guy saying spending 60 70 mill is a failure teams above us habe spent a lot and on better players so dnt know where people expected us to finish I think 6th is where we are at atm until fsg rodgers etc realise we need world class players

You're 7th mate, not 6th

When did everton spend 60-70 mill then? I must have missed that.

Our goals for tally boads really well for the future 2nd/3rd highest in the league this year if we can cut out the mistakes at the back we had at the start of the season and have even more killer instinct infront of goal for next season then I think 4th is a real posibility I mean we drew about 5-6 games we should have won and lost 2-3 we should have drawn or won with the amount of chances we made. and with bad decisions from some refs this season we have been cost some points.

06 May 2013 12:42:17
For top 4 we need:
--------Suarez to stay
--------Another sticker -Loic Remy or recall Andy Carroll (good headerers of the ball + strength)
--------CDM cover for Lucas- Conor Coady being promoted or someone else (Diame?, Wanyama?).
--------RW to replace downing (Inconsistent, bad crosses breaks down attacks)- Sinclair, Ince or other
--------CB to replace the legend Jamie Carragher ( this will prove to be the most difficult buy, look at arsenal, so many CB's have caused them defensive problems but also look at Tottenham- Vertonghen was pretty quick to settle in)

This all has to be done with a budget of 25-30 mil, if Rodgers does it he will be a hero.

Another thing if Suarez was to go I think the perfect replacement would be GONZALO HIGUAIN, what a player, remember him and ronaldo in 09, 10.

Ali G indahouse
Stainz massive

We need better quality than what your targeting mate.

TI keep seeing that Andy Carroll is a good header of the ball. I don't think he is particularly good. He is tall and therefore has more chance of getting to the ball than us midgets, but is there power and is there direction? I think not

Puzzled

Andy Carroll is the best header of a ball I've seen in last 10 years. have you seen him attack the ball in the air, the England Goal?. And, he has a fantastic left shot. if he was still at Anfield we'd got top4 (imo).

Tim Cahill is better than Andy at heading and probably everything else should we buy him?

06 May 2013 12:32:15
Ed why are we selling Assaidi?
if allen and henderson is worth 2 seaosns to prove themself, so as borini.
is a 1.5 mil winger not worth another season.
the lad looked decent when he played. {Ed023's Note - Who said we were selling?}

06 May 2013 11:45:16
RELAX!

When BR first came to our club, he asked for 3 years to put things right.

The first season was always going to be about getting some players in and changing the way we play the game.

BR has done both of those things and succeeded.

Newsflash: We may not be able to play ourselves into the top 4 next year either. If we bring in 2 quality players in the summer we will still need to improve our young squad and that will take some time.

If we finish 5th next year, that will be an improvement and let's face it. Who will we finish in front of? Chelsea, Arsenal or Tottenham? We will need to displace 1 of those clubs to place 5th.

The year after that we should start seeing real improvement and enable us to push into the top 4. BR should have added another 4 or 5 decent players by that time and completely renewed our style of play which will be understood by the whole club.

BR has never took the easy way out and told us stuff that we wanted to hear. It was always going to be 3 years before Champions League football returned to Anfield.

I, for one, am excited to be onboard for the journey. We need to be patient and enjoy the new brand of football BR has initiated. Sure. We won't be amazing every time we play, but we will get there.

Lets back the club, because the club has backed BR.

06 May 2013 13:19:38
Sry mate but werner doesn't agree that neither do FSG!

06 May 2013 14:24:21
Fsg want champions league as soon as possible, they have given enough money to rodgers to achieve their target, Tom has been saying without champions league its impossible to run a club like Liverpool, their is a reason why ed2 always says IGNORE what Rodgers says, in fact owners are very dissapointed by rodgers that they needed to change some of their policies, eg trying to decrease Rodgers power, trying to bring people to help him because he failed massively after spending 60-70M and couldn't even achieve europa league forget top4 that's how the season has pan out after rodgers spending owners 60-70M.

Our main sponsor contract is near to get over at the sametime getting new sponsors is getting harder and harder at the sametime we are losing a lot of champions league money that's how its effecting our comercial bussiness without champions league, do you think owners will accept losing all this money and keep damaging our world wide reputation just to wait for rodgers to achieve champions league, I'm afraid footy doesn't work like that, if next season rodgers fails again then owners will show him the door!

06 May 2013 11:01:36
hai Ed. good to see you again.
Nyce to see chelsea beating UTD again. fergie was furious with Howard webb. common one mistake is ok.
with 50 mill invested probably by cheslea this year.
top 3 finish and a Europa League cup waiting. Rafa has done pretty good considering they too have an aeging squad and players going and coming in

I don't wanna comment anything on our players or performance.

But If we ever wanna put a decent challenge on top 5 teams above us.
we need two top quality players like Mata and Hazard. wehave one in countinho, we need another one desperatly on the right side.

I totally agree with you we need a mata, hazard combo and have got one already for 30 mil less- coutinho, now we just need someone to replace downing who I think even though in form not good enough, the amount of times he broke attacking play yesterday and in other matches was horrific, he is inconsistent.

Would like to see Suso played in that position for us. I know he's got the playing smarts and creativity to do very well there and perhaps could produce some great link up play with Coutinho and strikers. I originally saw Suso as our #10, for all the reasons above and how sharp he looks around the edge of the box playing that killer ball. Coutinho seems to have that covered, so perhaps put Suso out wider. The only issue I see with him out there is his speed. I know he's quick, but how's he fair in the longer bolts down the wing? I haven't seen him out there, so I don't know. Anyone that has seen him play more in the youth and reserves, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

06 May 2013 10:39:42
Assaidi is surely going out.
4 mil to Ajax.

06 May 2013 12:58:16
we are not selling Assaidi.
there bigger deadwoods to be shipped.

06 May 2013 10:11:53
I like Lucas but I think we need a big strong DM instead. I think we should only use him as a squad player. Johnson looks pathetic at times and I would sell if the price was right. I've never been a fan of Enrique he looks like a headless chicken passes right to the opponents runs nowhere and can't tackle. I would rather play a youngster like Robinson.

06 May 2013 09:50:13
Understand there is a little bit of friction developing between BR and elements of the Board over transfer policy. FSG remain determined that the final transfer decision is taken away from the manager - the problem being that this determination was watered down (in public) when BR was appointed. Now the determination has become public, as reported in the press recently.

BR has been told to present a list of targets and the Board will consider which ones to buy. The Board refuse to rule out selecting their own targets, based on age, value and independent scout reports and buying these players for BR to develop. Whether BR wanted them or not.

Very similar to the growing trend in English football, where mostly foreign owners are deciding how to spend their money, not the manager. Days of the traditional dinosaur manager like Ferguson and Redknapp are nearly over.

Understand any disconnect between BR and the Board is only mild but might widen over the summer as transfer restrictions become evident. Might also account for some of the reports linking Man City will BR.

Personally, don't see a problem. Think that managers need to grip changing dynamics and get on with managing the assets placed at their disposal.

Ed - any thoughts please? {Ed002's Note - It is simply not correct. It is not the board that will be making these decisions, it is a committee of folk including the manager, the chief scout, Mr Ayre etc.. It is a viable and sensible way forward.}

The biggest load of rubbish I've read on this page since Harry said he hadn't posted in a while. Who makes this cr*p up? I don't know what's worse, the person making it up, or the dimwits that believe it. "BR has been told to present a list. " what utter nonsense.

Melboune CFC

Incorrect.

Presenting a list is how it works at most clubs. {Ed002's Note - I am afraid you just don't seem to understand how the transfer process works. The owners are not picking and choosing the players to buy.}

06 May 2013 11:27:57
Mate owners won't choose the players, Rodgers will choose the players but will need majority of votes/people to agree who are put by owners so the transfer can proceed.

But if rodgers wants someone and the comittee/fsg say no (re: dempsey) then that is kinda f'd isn't it? He basically can't do his job {Ed002's Note - You are taking a rather too black and white view of matters.}

06 May 2013 06:35:58
Hi Eds as I summarise by reading site. Liverpool interested in
GK : Bergovic, Mignolet.
CB : Botia, Aderwield
Mid: T. Ince

Can you add to the list? {Ed002's Note - There have been plenty of other players mentioned.}

I would say alderwiereld now that spurs have lost interest in the player

Second poster you write that every single time somebody says his name?

06 May 2013 20:03:22
Hi Ed002

i was refeering to the players, that either Eds or Macca has confimred interest in. {Ed002's Note - Ok.}

06 May 2013 03:39:18
Don, t like the whole saurez biting thing, but me and the wife laughed so hard today, over here in the states we saw a t. shirt with saurez face on it and it said if you can't beat them eat them, omg laughed so loud

martin p

06 May 2013 09:40:20
I'm still laughing! Once 'bitten', twice shy.