Liverpool Banter Archive November 06 2010
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06 Nov 2010 23:16:03
I heard that gerrard ignored Roy in thursdays game and just played his own game. Does anyone know if this is true or it's a load of crap? ?!
Come on . .that is total bullsh8t what a stupid question.
06 Nov 2010 23:12:13
I give up!
Who is this muppet?
"I know its difficult to get a proper manager right now but even if THE KING stepped in we might loose a couple but we would win alot more than we do now!"
We are on an undefeated 4 match run aren't we? We won at Bolton hmnn how did Spurs get on there today?
No doubt if Roy does prove to know what he's talking about and gains success you will be telling us how you had the faith in him all along!
GET A GRIP!
06 Nov 2010 23:10:59
Tomorrows best team to stand a chance against Chelsea
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. . . . Carra. . . Greek. . Skrtl. . . . .
Kelly. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Konch.
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Johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . .Jovanovic
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2-1 liverpool.
Flying squirrel
06 Nov 2010 22:58:51
ED do you think clubs will be allowed to ever sell there own tv rights instead of sky having them.
if it did happen we could sell them to america and asia markets and make lots of money.also could have games on lfc.tv and charge say 5 pound per game or have a season ticket thing
what you think ed
{Editor's note - I do not think it will ever be allowed in the league as other teams lower in the league would complain}
06 Nov 2010 22:51:14
We need a striker to partner Torres, with special qualities.
Someone who can defend higher up the pitch, opening up space for Torres to run into and bringing him into the game more, someone with a big physical presence who will batter opposition defenders, and who has the ability to win the ball in the air every time. Someone who will always score at crucial times of important matches.
Funnily enough we already have that player, and he deserves to be given a chance to be played in his natural position as striker. .
the player is-
Sotiris Kyrgiakos
Phil :-p
06 Nov 2010 22:50:58
{ed's note - I really don't know mate, but I think we will try for Afellay, Taiwo, Honda and some other players on expiring contracts.}
don't you think we need width ed. None of them offer natrual width. Honda and affellay can play wide but that's not there best positions.
Wagner
{Editor's note - They can all play out wide}
06 Nov 2010 22:48:30
Looking back at Liverpools victories and defeats this season, how do you think we fared so far this season.
Please consider the log position of these teams and performances of opposition
Wins
WBA - brilliant
Blackburn - solid
Bolton - tough
Draws
Sunderland - lucky
? - boring
? - boring
Loss
Arsenal - unlucky
Blackpool - over awed
Man City - out played
Man Utd - lost
Besides the 2 boring draws, I think only the Arsenal game could have got us a draw, that's 1 more point.
The rest is "we should have beaten ?, ? And ?" But we didn't.
Overall I think week in week out the team is getting better and we will rise to the "Summit".
We are possessing more goal threats from the likes of Kyrigiakos, Gerrard, Maxi, Torres, Kuyt, Johnson, Ngog.
I believe if we start taking our chances and start scoring goals no one will stop this team.
Player of the season so far Lucas. He might be our best player come the end of the year.
I feel that if we can find a "world class LW" in january to tweak our side , we will be fine because we have enough promise that will flow through this beautiful squad game after game (babel. Jovanovic. Ngog. Meireles. Lucas. Cole. Shelvey. Pacheco. Ecclestone. Ayala. Aquallani if he stays)
The future looks bright.
Come on you Reds.
Do you think we could have done better in any game?
YNWA
06 Nov 2010 22:22:43
Is it just me or when the take over happened and the new owners came in it was meant to be a new start? But until we get a proper manager worthy of the title of MANAGER OF LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB we are still treading water. Basically Roy only got the job off the back of a good run in the Europa and he got the manager award by fellow mangers because he never sticks up for the team and wants to be everyone's friend. That's probably why he doesn't try the younger lads because he whats to keep the others happy. But how can we move forward when we are with a guy who has never won anything in all the years he has been in the job. I know its difficult to get a proper manager right now but even if THE KING stepped in we might loose a couple but we would win alot more than we do now!
06 Nov 2010 22:11:55
I have been a Liverpool supporter for 40 years, I love the club and everything about it. I am however disgusted by the attitude towards the manager and certain players by some of the people who use this site. You don't actually find out the truth about a person until you are in a bad situation when you need them to pull together. As a season ticket holder since 1984 I sat proudly beside my fellow supporters and we lapped up the success. Eary 90's what a different story that was we were on the decline and when your backs are against the wall you need everyone to pull together. I witnessed some fans shouting abuse at players managers other fans I was ashamed to be anywhere near them. I listen to some of the fans on this site and it reminds me so much of them. Bob Paisley 56, Joe Fagan 63 when they took charge of Liverpool both great managers in their way. Maybe Bob was the best ever? How much slagging off would you lot give them if they had just been appointed. Back your Manager / Back your Team / this is Liverpool and you should be proud. If things need a change because they haven't worked out [Rafa] we start again but we as fans keep our dignity. If not just get down to old trafford or stamford bridge!
06 Nov 2010 21:59:30
"Ed why do you insist on letting some of these idiots post on this site? If they can't post with half decent grammer then don't publish it. I'm not saying that they have to have great spelling as i'm sure you are aware that I don't, but at least they should put a little effort in. what's with dis and dat and dem. Come on please!"
My son has dyslexia but I'll tell him that he isn't allowed on this site because his inability to spell will offend you.
Just a minor point on grammar though my friend. .you've spelt it incorrectly.
People in glass houses and all that. .
Frenchy.
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You have spelt grammar wrong, its ar not er. Its a forum not an English exam. As for not letting your son on here because he has Dyslexia that's a bit sly don't you think. People can't SPEL get over it. Half the people on this site havn't got a clue anyway pretending they have sources and know people within anfield, Probably some little joke wool fan or irish fan who go to about 3 games a season with there digital cameras hats with about 1000 badges on and full liverpool tracksuit.
06 Nov 2010 21:48:50
Totally agree with you ed oh by the way m8 fantastic site and you done yourself proud over the past months please please keep up the very positive and fantastic work nice one m8 {ed's note - thank you mate, it is a pleasure, well at times anyway!}
06 Nov 2010 21:40:12
Thanks ed i know the other two were the lowest of the low but i just can't see mr hendry and his business because at the end of the day it is a business go down the pan like the other 2 clowns had done i mean he does have a bit of calmness about him don't he ed. {ed's note - I am not saying NESV are like H&G, but I am not going to get carried away with excitement, I am just going to wait and see what happens.}
06 Nov 2010 21:31:09
Henry, in his interview, said something about this model working in the US. In Major League Baseball, every team has a Manager and a General Manager. The Manager controls the everyday running of the team as well as lineup selection, tactics, that sort of thing. The General Manager's job is concerned with contract negotiation, scouting, player trades (something common in baseball), and things along those lines. The two managers are able to devote all of their time and effort into each's specific job (winning with the team they have/ improving and building the team) while working together well and building a solid team.
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Diddnt Raffa have a similar problem when Parry was in charge of scouting and transfers?
Ferguson and Wenger are in full control but no problems for them
06 Nov 2010 21:31:00
To the gentelman who posted about the 17 min interview with j henry on the bbc just watched it myself i total agree with you about its harn not to be impressed by with what he said.He is a very inteligent man with a very positive attitude and a must win win win approach i just hope he will bring back those memories of the seventies eighties and less we forget istanbul thanks m8 for that post. ( WHAT YOU THINK ED YOU SEEN THE INTERVIEW YOURSELF ) {ed's note - I think it is better to judge their actions rather than their words mate, after H&G said lots of the right things early on.}
06 Nov 2010 21:27:27
"NVEER MNID THE SEIPLLNG AAPTENRLY IF THE LSAT AND FRIST LTTEERS ARE IN THE RHGIT ODERR TEHN SEPLLNIG DEOS'NT MTTAER. ."
CCOK
Dirks Engine Room
06 Nov 2010 21:21:57
The new stadium should come in about three years time. Right now we need to build a competitive team or else the new stadium will be empty.
Buy big jan and even bigger in the summer, this will definitely attract good players to lfc. right now no world class player wants to join us, which wasn't the case a few years ago.
There is only one solution serious acquisions and pretty fast Hendry. Stop the fall and protect this gem of a club.
Supporters will only get behind the team if the team is performing well and climing the table upwards. Expectations are high and the new owners better deliver.
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We understand what your saying but the new owners rightly want to reduce the wage bill and stop pre-madonna footballers put our club to ransom.
We don't want to be a Man city who employ mercenary players who are there just for money and not respect honour or tradition.
Our club is bigger stronger and better than that.
It is about time someone grabbed the club by the scruff of the neck and said enough's enough.
Interesting how Henry mentioned Arsenal and New York Yankees stadium. I think our new stadium or revamp will be very special, very special indeed.
The club is still in a process change over but the stadium plans will be sorted very soon as LBC gave a deadline of 6month's for Stanley park.
06 Nov 2010 21:20:48
Support our Manager and our team. We will beat Chelsea and Roy may finally shut up everybody and that includes you Blair and the rest of the non-believers. Three, one tomorrow to us.
06 Nov 2010 21:19:56
Listen up fellow red men. . . .
it's not that long since our new owner "john dubya" came to our rescue and chased away the baddies. . .
BUT! in everything i have watched, read or listened to, is that he has showed he doesn't suffer fools gladly and he will only splash the cash if he is convinced he will get a return for his investment. .
This means that come january if the players become available that the board desire, suddenly think that because we have a big rich backer they(or rather the agents) can demand outrageous wages and signing on fees. . .'im afraid MR H will not buy these players as he will not be milked by greedy badge kissing mercenaries. . our only hope may be Mr Comolli with his multi lingual skills can sweet talk a few of the targets and paint a rosy picture of the good things(trophey's/ titles) to come at liverpool, not just to see it as a good financial move and go through the motions playing then pick up a big fat cheque every week. . . .
p.s
agree with all the calls to take your scarf tomoz as chelski are arriving a goal up already as they think we have imploded, so lets hit them with a 90 minute wall of noise that makes them lose focus. . .
king kenny07
06 Nov 2010 20:44:45
I'll have to take back what I said about Rijkaard spitting then, how can I argue with that. Superb comment pal. Im glad you've put me in the picture as I had him down as a dirty so and so.
06 Nov 2010 20:35:11
The next step for the owners is a assistant manager or number 2 if you prefer.
Young ex Liverpool player who knows what the values are.
karl heinz reidle, Dietmar Hamman are the two front runners although Hypia, Fowler and Clough are in consideration aswell as others
06 Nov 2010 20:29:45
"06 Nov 2010 20:14:26
The chaps out there trumpeting Rijkaard as a good potential future manager. Have you forgot what the dirty get did to Rudy Voller. I was involved in a saturday afternoon riot on a football pitch, the match being abandoned after a spitting incident.
Disgusting cowardly trick spitting, especially when you do it from behind. Poor old Rudy had spent a fortune on that perm! The spitting issue to me demonstrates a possible underlying unsavoury trait in Rijkaard, so certainly not somebody i'd like at the healm.
Agree or disagree?"
I happen to know that Frank did a BTEC in Hair and Beauty at Amsterdam Municipal College when he was young. During the match in question he saw that Rudy's lustrous Barnet was drying out due to overuse of heated curlers and chose to remedy it with immediate guerilla style lubrication and conditioner before he got split ends. The man's a Saint to the Mullet Preservation Society because of his selfless act and i won't hear a word against him.
06 Nov 2010 20:23:57
Ed i live this site, the only bad thing i would say about the site is that there should be an
Agree
Disagree
button aswell as the believable and unbelievable ones {ed's note - I am looking into getting different buttons that us editors can choose between for the posts.}
06 Nov 2010 20:23:55
The new stadium should come in about three years time. Right now we need to build a competitive team or else the new stadium will be empty.
Buy big jan and even bigger in the summer, this will definitely attract good players to lfc. right now no world class player wants to join us, which wasn't the case a few years ago.
There is only one solution serious acquisions and pretty fast Hendry. Stop the fall and protect this gem of a club.
Supporters will only get behind the team if the team is performing well and climing the table upwards. Expectations are high and the new owners better deliver.
06 Nov 2010 20:16:21
Hendry suggests that lfc should be challenging man u chelsea and arsenal in five years. That's not what we expect from the owners. we shall not be able to attract players to LFC if we can not challenge them sooner than the five years. I think we are in for a rude shock the way things are going at the club under the new owners. They are new to this game but they better learn fast that lfc is one of the biggest brands around the world and we expect them to start re building the team immediately to achieve our status and the belief the supporters had in them. Otherwise it will be another H&G coming up sooner or later which will be bad news for LFC.
They will have to spend big in Jan and even bigger in the summer otherwise they are wasting their time in the uk.
wipi.
06 Nov 2010 20:06:41
Is it just me or is Roy getting a lot of blame for being linked to all these players?. He may not be doing a great job, but it's not his fault that we get linked with players like SWP and Carlton cole. I'm the first to admit he's screwed things up a bit, but if he's still in the job in Jan. That will be the time to judge his transfers
Poulsen was a poor choice, no doubt, but it must have been hard to find a decent defense mid that late in the transfer window to replace such a good player as mascherano.
Meireles was a great buy. Let's just wait and see. He will come good.
Konchesky is the only one who worries me, but again, there was little time, and little money at the time to invest in a left back; so it's understandable, if a bad choice anyway, that Roy went with what he knows.
What do you think ed? Awesome site btw {ed's note - I don't see how there can be any excuse for signing Poulsen, it was a panic buy to bring in a player we had no need for regardless of whether Mash was here.}
06 Nov 2010 20:00:21
The point made by the chap re: souness admiration for Paisley, Fagan and Moran spot on. I may be way off the mark but I see a bit of Paisleys character in Roy and given the profiles of the other managers that have been trumpeted as candidates, Roy, in my opinion's the closest we can hope to get in a Bob Paisley type manager. Unfortunately for Roy, the players he's inhereted may take a dim view of his managerial pedigree and I don't think he's got any bragging status in terms of his footballing days. However, a result tomorrow and a good run through the festive period and the players outlook on Roy may change. Thats when we may see the Bob Paisley aspect to his character filter through.
Fergusons first twelve months at Utd were a disaster. No noteable achievements during his footballing days, grantde success at Aberdeen but money to spend off the back of the Noth sea Oil discovery.
Roy needs twelve months. A good run in the FA cup/ europa cup and top four finish has to be regarded as progress this season and that's all looking likely. I think an informed judgement can only be arrived at after at least a twelve month tenure. Until then we should seize the positives when we can and applaud.
06 Nov 2010 19:58:55
It shudnt have 2 resort to us losing games for hodgson to go. , if wer badly beaten tomorow i can see him being put under pressure. but everybody who understands lfc will know that he shudnt be there, . we havnt had a decent attacking team since 1997, when macca , collymore etc wer playing.
we need to play the way liverpool shud play, and to do that we need a coach who knows how to do that, i.e KK, rijkaard, guardiola, sanchez flores etc,
what u think ed?
jay b {ed's note - I am sick and tired of defensive football, I want to enjoy the way we play as well as the result.}
06 Nov 2010 19:57:44
NVEER MNID THE SEIPLLNG AAPTENRLY IF THE LSAT AND FRIST LTTEERS ARE IN THE RHGIT ODERR TEHN SEPLLNIG DEOS'NT MTTAER. .
06 Nov 2010 19:57:33
If i'm a player in different league/ cub, i'll do my hardest to get Liverpool to buy me. Just because i want to have Steven Gerrard as my captain. ;D
06 Nov 2010 19:43:29
I'm sure jj henry will be reading the bollox on this web site with interest on who he should and shouldn't buy thought this site was for rumours not personal wishful thinking over the past few months the s* t on here has been worse than poulson. . .
06 Nov 2010 19:10:40
Somebody on here was complaining about Roy Hodgson's mannerisms yesterday , can anyone remember what the complaint was? I wanted to read it & then I missed it .
06 Nov 2010 18:54:12
"Ed why do you insist on letting some of these idiots post on this site? If they can't post with half decent grammer then don't publish it. I'm not saying that they have to have great spelling as i'm sure you are aware that I don't, but at least they should put a little effort in. what's with dis and dat and dem. Come on please!"
My son has dyslexia but I'll tell him that he isn't allowed on this site because his inability to spell will offend you.
Just a minor point on grammar though my friend. .you've spelt it incorrectly.
What a plank! !
06 Nov 2010 18:31:16
06 Nov 2010 17:44:31
"I still believe in Ryan Babel" .
I loved this. It genuinely made me laugh out loud! !
Frenchy.
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It is a pity about Ryan Babel , oneday he will become a superb attacker for someone , yet LFC have invested massively in him to date for little or no return .
I hope his talent is not wasted .
I think it is blatantly obvious that Babel ain't gonna make it at Liverpool now. How much of that is down to his own attitude I don't know, but I do know he started his career well at LFC but after that he hasn't had many games & even less in a row. That is bound to knock any players confidence, but what is done is done & now he should be sold, hopefully to a foreign club to start his career again.
The Irish Rover
06 Nov 2010 18:03:42
Just seen Suso playing and I say boy we got a player in our hands! - - Hope Roys sees that too.
06 Nov 2010 17:59:48
TOP TEAM
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J'SON/ SRNA-CARA/ AGGER/ SK'TL/ SAKHO/ S'CRS-TAIWO/ CIS
TURAN/ L'C-YUNG-BANEGA/ LUCAS/ MEIRELES-MATA/ HONDA
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06 Nov 2010 17:58:24
06 Nov 2010 17:13:13
Ed - I still remain optomistic about Hodgson, I fully endorse ball retention and if we manage to create a cutting edge in the final third of the field, I think it may come good.
The team of the late 70's/ early eighties looked to hold the ball for long periods. Im from the potteries and many of my stoke mates used to argue that it was like watching paint dry, "Lawrenson to Mcdermott back to Lawrenson out to Kennedy back to Lawrenson" Im sure you get the pitcure, but ultimately we had a cutting edge up front whether it be Johnson, Toshack, Keegan, Dalglish or Rush and they were complimented by a good nturl touchlin hugging winger.
Another good striker, natural winger and attacking full back in the Jan transfer window and we're in business. This coupled with the quality we see emerging from the youth ranks, noteably Shelvey (in my opinion the next Stevie G) and we've a squad to challenge under Roy.
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Good post. I see what your saying but I am not sure the sqaud are 100% with Hodgson and his methods. Remember in previous successful decades we had Managers and coaching staff absolutely loved and admired by all the players. Have you heard Souness talking about his admiration for Paisley, Fagan and Moran. It's quite touching really for such a tough man.
06 Nov 2010 17:53:16
Now Spurs will realise how hard it is to play a team like Bolton and lose at the weekend following a hard but sauccessful Champions League match in midweek? It happend to Liverpool for several years under Houllier and Benitez and were roundly criticised by the London centric press and media.
06 Nov 2010 17:44:31
"I still believe in Ryan Babel" .
I loved this. It genuinely made me laugh out loud! !
Frenchy.
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It is a pity about Ryan Babel , oneday he will become a superb attacker for someone , yet LFC have invested massively in him to date for little or no return .
I hope his talent is not wasted .
06 Nov 2010 17:40:26
Fernando Torres has twice as many Premier League assists as any other LFC player . Clearly Fernando Torres is doing something his team mates aren't - He is doing the right thing . He just needs time to transition an injury hit summer and a new management team with new ideas .
06 Nov 2010 17:27:23
" I have the chance to bring you and all Liverpool supporters the news they so desperately seek."
I suspect you and this player are a little to friendly.Maybe that's how you got your nickname.:-)
06 Nov 2010 17:13:13
Ed - I still remain optomistic about Hodgson, I fully endorse ball retention and if we manage to create a cutting edge in the final third of the field, I think it may come good.
The team of the late 70's/ early eighties looked to hold the ball for long periods. Im from the potteries and many of my stoke mates used to argue that it was like watching paint dry, "Lawrenson to Mcdermott back to Lawrenson out to Kennedy back to Lawrenson" Im sure you get the pitcure, but ultimately we had a cutting edge up front whether it be Johnson, Toshack, Keegan, Dalglish or Rush and they were complimented by a good nturl touchlin hugging winger.
Another good striker, natural winger and attacking full back in the Jan transfer window and we're in business. This coupled with the quality we see emerging from the youth ranks, noteably Shelvey (in my opinion the next Stevie G) and we've a squad to challenge under Roy.
06 Nov 2010 17:06:52
If we can somehow get a 1-0 win tomorrow then we'll jump to 9th on 15 points, 2 behind Man City in 4th. We can turn this around.
-IamTheCosmos
06 Nov 2010 17:05:35
Ed, do you think we will win by the same score as Celtic 2mara {ed's note - somehow I doubt it!}
06 Nov 2010 17:02:13
Why do some of you still pick your teams of choice for next season and name kyrgiakos? please watch this guy for long spells during the match and not just when the ball is in the air and you will relaise he hasnt got a clue tactically or positional-wise. Agger is by far the best centre half at the club and i know he has been plagued with injuries, but there is just no comparison between the two. Kyrgiakos may have looked good to some of you cos we have played teams that have suited his style, e.g bolton, blackburn but if he was to come up against a quality footballing team, like tomorow for example, he will get found out, even blackpool made him look stupid, when he rushed out leaving the gap for varney to run into. come on guys, real football fans will realise despite his effort he is just not good enough, what you think ed? {ed's note - I agree mate, he is a trier but nowhere near good enough for the Premier League.}
06 Nov 2010 16:56:59
When everton beat us a few weeks ago moyes said they have closed the quality gap. how and where. if we beat chelsea tomorror we go above everton. and will be only a few points behind top 4 teams. not bad considering we not been playing that well really. i still don't want roy as the manager but do want us to beat chelsea tomorror and i actually think we will
06 Nov 2010 16:45:37
Does anybody on this site know that honda is at his best when playing cam and not on the wing. oh and ed, what do you think of mcgeady for the lw {ed's note - I think the Japanese manager would dispute that, he plays him as a striker, and I have seen him star at left back too. No thank you to McGeady, flatters to deceive for me, no end product.}
06 Nov 2010 16:29:40
Editor I understand like you that our main priority is width and with a skillful and strong player is our main priority I was wondering whether you have seen a player called Pedro da Costa who plays for St Lucia Athletic and has been amazing against top teams like the Heathgates and the jets he would be exactly what we need as he is fast and skillful with a left foot to die for.I really rate him and enjoy watching and playing with him every sunday if you would like ill have a word with him and see if i can't get him to sign for liverpool for the right fee of course as I am in his circle of trust and am sure could get him interested.Hes kind of a big thing in Shrewsbury and as a player myself we are invited to all the happening partys in and around our area constantly followed by a bunch of plastic wags and I know that all he wants is to play for a club were he can become a legend.Unfortunately for me my playing days at the top level are numbered after a horrific injury to my hair folicle (ingrowing hair folicle)which has left me a shadow of the former player I was but now I have the chance to bring you and all Liverpool supporters the news they so desperately seek.
If I could get him to sign I think it could be the transfer of the decade I hope this bit of news has lifted your spirits.
RED WILLY
06 Nov 2010 16:24:54
Ive noticed that there's alot of fans out there discussing buying this foreign player and that foreign player without any real justification notwithstanding an element of rhetoric and some weak statistics.
The great Liverpool managers of old have taken average footballers and turned them into quality players, the key element being the players character. To name but a few, souness, rush, aldridge and Dalglish. This managerial model started with Shankly, through to Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish and Roy Evans, ending with Souness and the emergence of the 'spice boys', an era which in my opinion was the start of Liverpools demise.
Ferguson employs a players recruitment strategy which involves delving into the target players background, lifestyle, character, behaviour etc. Irrespective of how talented a footballer, if one of those key elements is flawed, Ferguson walks away. Maybe this former spurs character with the fancy title will look at this as part of his recruitment brief, which would also seem to accord with the NESV way. In my opinion Hodgson's the closest we're going to get to the 'Liverpool way' so to all you critics out their, have faith. Its all well and done sticking the boot in just now off the back of a period of unrest both on and off the field but give the guy a break. In my opinion he identified the weaknesses instantly, Ensua would look ordinary on a sunday morning and, although he brought in a couple of midfielders to deviate from relying on Lucas, injuries have forced his hand with Lucas now only bit part. The konchelski purchase wasn't a panic buy a necessity. Against Blackpool we didn't have a left footed player on the pitch and during the limited slot he had to find one the Fulham man was the only option.
Im convinced if the fans get behind Roy it'll come good. Theres been statements about disharmony amongst the player regarding Roys style of player. I don't think that's the case, its just taken a bit of getting used to and necessary given the player resources he has available to him. it now seems to be coming together, thursday was a great performance and sets us up to do a number on chelsea on sunday. There without key players, noebly maluoda and we go into the game of a three match wining/ improving street. Lets make chelsea know what a proper clubs all about on sunday and get behind the lads and Roy for the full 90 minutes.
Agree or disagree? {ed's npte - you lost me when you tried to talk about Souness as being after Roy Evans and the Spice Boys era. Roy was after Souness and that was the so-called Spice Boy era. Roy Hodgson is nothing like the 'Liverpool way' at all, his way is defensive and sitting back to avoid being hit on the counter attack. All he is good for is steadying the ship, the ship is steadied so it is time to find the man to take us forward.}
06 Nov 2010 16:16:21
"I still believe in Ryan Babel" .
I loved this. It genuinely made me laugh out loud! !
Frenchy.
06 Nov 2010 16:14:24
One thing that really bugs me is the observation that we keep the ball and have a large % of possession.
In the good old days we did that as well but there was an end product to it, i.e. we scored goals!
To do that you have to get into the final third of the pitch. .not just the ball but the odd player or two as well to support the poor sod whose left up there on his own as a token gesture to attacking football.
What is the point in playing keep ball with sideways and backwards passes if there is no end product?
Teams must love playing us nowadays. They just sit in front of us knowing that we'll just pass it about in areas of no danger (apart from to ourselves), we can't go around them down the wings coz we've got no shagging wingers. .so they just sit tight, knowing that any movement that does come towards them will be narrow, until a poor pass gives them possession again, hit us quickly with pace and that's us fcuked coz we've got no pace at the back either.
(Not so) simple solution. .change the manager, change the coaching staff, change the scouting staff and change a few of the playing staff (I will personally drive Poulsen and Babel to whatever no-mark team will have them).
Frenchy out.
06 Nov 2010 16:12:50
REMEMBER! ! !
Tomorrow against Chelski . . . . . . . . . .
Get behind the boys . . . never stop the noise . . . . and make it the most intimidating place that Chelski can ever visit
let recapture the atmosphere of the CL game and make them shake !
LFC1
06 Nov 2010 16:05:20
Godd one Tazz.
GTH
06 Nov 2010 16:02:25
The jury's out for me just now on Torres. A dip in form is acceptable and part of the game, footballers are only human and may have distractions in their personal life.
However, since returning from the world up and Rafas departure, Nando, for me has been exhibiting that he is either a spoilt brat wanting to engineer a move way from the club or just bone idol and lost interest.
H's been hiding in every game he's featured, very much rooneyesque in the world cup. Is this somehing that's filtering ino the game now and consistent with 'player power' comments made by Ian Holloway recently. If aplayer can't get his own way, have a sulk and a mood and engineer what you desire.
My patience is wering thin with Nando just now, i'd rather put him on the bench and give ecclestone a run. Hopefuly a rocket uphis backside and a signal to suggest that he's not the messiah may get him firing on all cylinders again. if it is that he no longer wants to play for us, then lets cash in and move on.
In my opinion, the team are holding the ball well and commanding the lion share of possession. Its all well and done arguing that Nando's not getting the service but maybe if he started gambling with his runs and putting a bit more effort into creating his own space, the midfield may find him and the team yield the rewards with goals.
Fernando Torres has twice as many Premier League assists as any other LFC player . Clearly Fernando Torres is doing something his team mates aren't , he is doing the right thing . He just needs time to overcome the transition of an injury hit summer and new a management team with new ideas .
06 Nov 2010 15:55:33
Its on the scums dodgey player page as well lol
Tazz YNWA
06 Nov 2010 15:54:28
You all got to go and have a look at the liverpool sightings page for the picture of rooney in america what you think ed??
and have tried to put it on the scums page to we will see lol
Tazz YNWA
06 Nov 2010 15:52:57
ED, why do people closely associated with Liverpool keep saying that it will take a while to get things right at Anfield and that the task ahead of them is immense. . remind me if Im wrong, but wernt we very close to winning the league a couple of yrs ago. .and rated the most successful team in Europe by UEFA. . .The only major departures since then has been Xabi and Monster. .but surely its just not their ansence that's got us into this position. . .In my personal opinion. its Roy trying to fool people into thinking that its not his fault if we finish somewher arnd 10th this year and to blame it all on Benitez.Now, im not a Rafa fan, but he atleast knew how to properly set up teams unlike this looser. .
GTH {ed's note - I think it is more about Chelsea moving forward than us moving backwards. They have taken a huge step forward and are a much much better side that they were two seasons ago.}
06 Nov 2010 15:49:46
I still believe in Ryan Babel .
06 Nov 2010 15:37:17
Hodgson to stay full season. Get off Hodgson's back. Have you forgot he was manager of the year last year. Do you think Ancelloti could do a better job with the bunch of players we have in our squad. I doubt it! Also just heard Bolton thrashed Spurs. Didn't Liverpool beat Bolton last week! Should Redknapp be sacked? I do not think so. Come on give the Roy a chance atleast one season not much to ask for.
06 Nov 2010 14:29:34
"06 Nov 2010 13:25:19
Right, i thought id leave all you all alone for a while because at the end of the day im ending up whining on here more than most recently. . . but surely there has to come a time when everyone just gets off roy's case for a bit to see how we can do."
REPLY: Sorry mate, its a quarter of a season plus a load of European games, and we're still playing like he only took over yesterday. IF they even looked keen and hungry people would be less disappointed, but they look dispirited, and its just not changing, not even slightly. All that's changed is we've had a bit more luck in nabbing a goal or two despite consistently poor play in the 1st half in almost every game.
The real argument is- how long should you, or CAN you, fairly allow a manager to get a team performing?
You think he's not had long enough yet- but lots of others think he's had plenty of time, so we won't agree on that one.
"Henry has said hes going to back him, so we know for a FACT, he is definitely going to be here at least til jan, i would have thought at least until the end of the season. In which case WHAT POSSIBLE BENEFIT DOES DISCUSSING A NEW MANAGER BRING TO THE CLUB?"
REPLY: You are right in principle- we can't change anything by whinging about how badly Roy seems to be doing, and I don't like the pack mentality where everyone starts sticking the boot in when a guy is down. BUT you have to remember that a lot of these guys spend a LOT of their hard earned money to get into Anfield, and they know their football on the whole- and that gives them the right to voice their genuine concerns about the way the team is looking on the pitch- they know a good side when they see it, and they really care when LFC are not playing well, and worse when they don't even look as if they trying.
Even among football 'experts' there is a growing body of opinion that LFC are being too defensive- and it is affecting their whole mindset on the pitch. They are not even thinking in an attacking way, like Man U or Chelsea do, and that is just bull for a top 4 side.
Roys tactics are suitable for average players to put up a defensive performance and nick a winning goal. They are NOT suitable for players in a top 4 side whose total focus is to win no matter what- and the tactics are hurting the team- you can practically see it in their faces. How much longer can we afford to give him to see if things work out?
The fans are exercising their right to let their own expert opinions be known, and it is a growing voice that is saying Roy is wrong.
"I honestly believe we don't even need a genius manager like mourinho or Hiddink, at the end of the day Rafa was renowned for tactical nouse and at the end of last season it was blatantly obvious what we needed was someone who could reignite the passion in the dressing room and play a faster, more attacking style. So we went for Hodgson who had Fulham purring with beautiful triangles and movement, and was undoubtedly well respected by all his players and fellow managers."
REPLY:
Hodgson was riding on the kudos of reaching a Europa league final with a mid table side, and to be fair it was good achievement. He looked a safe pair of hands, but many had public dounts about him as a long term answer, including lots on this site.
I don't know about the beautiful triangles bit, I never saw enough of Fulham last season to be sure. But I doubt it.
"Before the takeover, no one was expecting us to win games- too much distraction. Yet we are quite happy to now include those games in our judgement of Roy. Thats just manipulating the facts to suit your argument."
REPLY- I would disagree- we were ALL expecting wins, IF the key players stayed, which apart from Masch, they did.
" During these wins we have seen the players moving MUCH more than they did under rafa, and playing short passes in triangles like arsenal do. Also we've started heading it to each other's FEET rather than just playing head tennis and inevitably losing it like we did under rafa. The man has been here 10 games and ALREADY we are starting to look like we can actually play football rather than stop our opponents playing."
REPLY- In some parts of some recent games there has been an improvement, but not as much as you are suggesting. Its opinion of course so fair enough, but in the last game? Once again, a goal conceded and a pretty poor 1st half against Napoli. NO change in that respect. And yes, Rafa's last season the movement was poor, but the seaon before it was brilliant. The Liverpool that finished second in 08/ 09 would play the current lot off the park.
I don't think having a team that only plays for the 2nd half is enough to say we look like we can play football. Roy's tactics are ALL about stopping the opposition playing- so if our team are NOT doing that, then they are failing him as a manager and doing as they wanted. Which would be no bad thing.
"Against blackburn there were flashes of the real madrid tie, and despite you naysayers inexplicably trying to give the accolades for that performance to ANYONE BUT ROY, the evidence is there for all to see. HE IS MAKING US INTO A MORE ATTRACTIVE TEAM. Which is what all of you keep harping on about. It is impossible to change a clubs philosophy overnight."
REPLY: in any 90 mins game with LFC there will be flashes of genius, one hopes. To say that the current team play more attractive footback than we did in 08/ 09 just seems like madness, although I agree that a lot of last season was just ugly to watch.
"And rather than doing the decent thing and giving the man a chance you're all just blaming him for all our problems which we had before he even came. If you all love the king so much, why don't you respect his decision that hodgson was, AND IS the right man for the job."
REPLY- actually Kenny's first choice was to put himself forward, not to opt for Roy
And as I said, he's had a chance. Many people now think, he has long enough and there don't seem to be enough signs of improvement still. We still have an outside chance of top 4 with a couple of players and a new manager. If we carry on playing the way we are, we will not make up the lost ground on City or Spurs.
"To build a dynasty that competes in the right way, without all the skullduggery. He is quite happy to work alongside others, as his ego doesn't forbid him from taking advise, so we can have all these Commolli roles as well, giving us a much broader base of expertise. At the end of the day, im backing Roy to be a great liverpool manager, as is DALGLISH, and HENRY, and ALDO, and FOWLER and MURPHY. And apparently gerrard too as he doesn't want to leave anymore."
REPLY- It is only rumours I admit, but several key players are said to be very unhappy with Roy's methods, quite apart from the results. Aldo and the others have very prominent public voices and have to be very diplomatic, so you should take that into account. Listen to Aldo's radio commentary for a better idea of his thoughts during the game.
And yes, Roy listens on some issues and consults etc, but on the key one of playing too defensively, that will make or break the season, he WILL NOT LISTEN.
No offence mate, I know you see it being loyal by not publicly criticising, but it has got to the point where even the Ed, who said previously Roy should be given a chance when lots were panicking back in August/ Sept, is now losing faith in Roy's suitability for LFC.
06 Nov 2010 14:19:42
On sunday id play spearing in midfield was really impressed with his attitude and work rate on thursday night. I know he's raw but he has alot of qualities that will be vital on sunday. Poulsen at the moment (maybe never) is not even close to the level needed for the prem. He looked leggy and clueless thursday night. My team for sunday Riena johnson Carra the Greek Konchesky Merellies Spearing Lucas Maxi Gerard Torres. What u think
06 Nov 2010 14:13:03
Although I'm not convinced by Hodgson, I think he deserves more of a chance than he's being given by some 'so called' Liverpool fans. Only 10 games into the season and about to rise up to the challenging positions and almost guaranteed qualification to the next Europa League rounds is not great but not as bad as some are making out.
Are his buys of Poulson and Konchesky any worse than some of Rafa's early buys such as Josemi and Nunez? He had only a short transfer window after his appointment and had to fill gaps at a time when little money was available.
My son supports Fulham, yes I know I've been a bad parent and should be reported to Social Services for allowing it, but he won't hear a bad word said about Roy. With cameras trained on him throughout the game he just can't win.If he sits still he lacks passion and if he shouts and gesticulates he is an eccentric idiot. If we start supporting him he just might relax a bit and start doing the things he's good at, such as making players perform above their level, giving them confidence to express themselves, playing them in their right positions. Because of the pressure he's under, he's not yet applying these principles. I know he doesn't always help himself and he spurned a great opportunity to improve his situation by not telling Ferguson to eff off when he disrespected our club and players.
I dare any of the posters who are predicting his sacking any day now to go out and put £500 on it at the bookies if they are so confident. No, I bet many haven't, as they are all mouth and no substance.
That brings me to my final point, Liverpool's players might not be on a par with their predecessors of the 70's and 80's but, then again, neither are the supporters. A lot of knowledgeable Liverpool supporters now watch the game on Sky or in the pubs, having been priced out and replaced in the stadium by the new breed of moaning gets who get on players backs if a pass is misplaced, making it a cert that they'll misplace the next one because they are then playing with fear.
Hodgson will get to the end of the season at least and NESV will then assess it.
Redmersey
PS/ Sterling and Suso to kick start the new Liverpool next season when they start to get games. Suso is the only player at any level of the club who has the vision and ability to play killer balls. Maybe, at 16, a bit too young but wahtch him go when he starts to get games.
06 Nov 2010 14:08:42
Well with what is looking likely a bolton win
we have a incentive nobody expects us to beat chelsea so roy please don't go ultra defensive
let the boys play like our last home game
looks like spurs are suffering the curse of the champions league ha
RELEASE THE BEAST THAT IS LFC
Tazz YNWA
06 Nov 2010 13:59:21
I think if Henry is looking to be smart in the transfer market, then he should consider bringing Alberto Aquilani back to Liverpool, provided he can prove his fitness at Juventus. Seen him play once or twice, and he has looked sharp. Only issue is that he seems scared of a tackle, but its not a major issue if he has the ability (which he does).
I would like us to sign Matuidi, he could be our holding midfielder and for £7m it seems like brilliant business on our part. With Aquilani and Gerrard sitting in front of him. Aquilani and Gerrard going forward sounds mouth-watering, and Gerrard insitincivly gets back which means that defensivly we'd be solid, having Matuidi in front of the back four, plus Gerrard.
That, added to a good creative player to play out wide (plenty of candidates) would turn us into a top side which would certainly get us back into the Champions League, and challenge for the title.
However, Aquilani would have to prove his form and fitness first. Could save us £10-15m, which could be invested into the problematic wide area or the left back position.
06 Nov 2010 13:48:56
To the guy slagging off torres .
If you had the guts you would have signed your name off. .
Have you watched the last few games that torres has played? I am sure you havnt.
Man united-2 assists.
Sunderland-2 assists.
Everton-one close chance-great save by howard.
Blackburn-goal plus great plays.
Bolton-one glorious move, one assist with sheer torres brilliance.
The service hasnt improved a great deal although there are good signs at times. Specially our 2nd half performances in all games have been good. And with Ngog introduced in the last game he was a different torres altogether.
Not only has he contributed in this way, his attitude has been better-reason being his improving confidence. He is making better turns and passes. One more goal and you ll see torres of the old and see him winning games single handedly. Remember the guy almost one us the 4th place race last season singlehandedly until he got injured again- 7goals in 4games. Thats torres for you !
And he is contributing . How ever it may be. Thats most important. He is willingly celebrating goals . He is becoming happier again. Thats wat matters. And note . One thing you guys have to realise is that his attitude was poor till few games back. No doubt. But it was cos of his lack of confidence in his ability. His worry about his injuries. And not the club. He loves the club and its fans as much as he always did.
Remember- he had '' you ll never walk alone'' in his captain's arm band at atletico. He loves liverpool and wants to win in his dream club.
So instead of slagging him off go sing the torres song in the game and spur him on in the chelsea game .
Ed your thoughts
Breathtaking PHOENIX
Red for life! {ed's note - he is definitely showing signs of getting back to form, but it won't matter unless the service to him improves.}
06 Nov 2010 13:25:19
Right, i thought id leave all you all alone for a while because at the end of the day im ending up whining on here more than most recently. . . but surely there has to come a time when everyone just gets off roy's case for a bit to see how we can do. Henry has said hes going to back him, so we know for a FACT, he is definitely going to be here at least til jan, i would have thought at least until the end of the season. In which case WHAT POSSIBLE BENEFIT DOES DISCUSSING A NEW MANAGER BRING TO THE CLUB? Nothing! It's just unsettling, irritating, boring and worst of all revealing - revealing that we're just a bunch of weasels who can't stop complaining. We've just been bought out by what appears to be good owners, and we are no longer under the risk of administration. We can just worry about football. I honestly believe we don't even need a genius manager like mourinho or Hiddink, at the end of the day Rafa was renowned for tactical nouse and at the end of last season it was blatantly obvious what we needed was someone who could reignite the passion in the dressing room and play a faster, more attacking style. So we went for Hodgson who had Fulham purring with beautiful triangles and movement, and was undoubtedly well respected by all his players and fellow managers. Before the takeover, no one was expecting us to win games- too much distraction. Yet we are quite happy to now include those games in our judgement of Roy. Thats just manipulating the facts to suit your argument. Since our takeover we lost away to everton (fair enough, that's by no means an embarrassing result everton are a quality team and can beat ANYONE on their day) and drew away at napoli. Then weve gone win, win, win. During these wins we have seen the players moving MUCH more than they did under rafa, and playing short passes in triangles like arsenal do. Also we've started heading it to each other's FEET rather than just playing head tennis and inevitably losing it like we did under rafa. The man has been here 10 games and ALREADY we are starting to look like we can actually play football rather than stop our opponents playing. Against blackburn there were flashes of the real madrid tie, and despite you naysayers inexplicably trying to give the accolades for that performance to ANYONE BUT ROY, the evidence is there for all to see. HE IS MAKING US INTO A MORE ATTRACTIVE TEAM. Which is what all of you keep harping on about. It is impossible to change a clubs philosophy overnight. And rather than doing the decent thing and giving the man a chance you're all just blaming him for all our problems which we had before he even came. If you all love the king so much, why don't you respect his decision that hodgson was, AND IS the right man for the job. To build a dynasty that competes in the right way, without all the skullduggery. He is quite happy to work alongside others, as his ego doesn't forbid him from taking advise, so we can have all these Commolli roles as well, giving us a much broader base of expertise. At the end of the day, im backing Roy to be a great liverpool manager, as is DALGLISH, and HENRY, and ALDO, and FOWLER and MURPHY. And apparently gerrard too as he doesn't want to leave anymore. I will happily put my name to it, and if we don't turn it around you can all say whatever you want. If supporting my club and my manager through thick and thin makes me wrong then i don't want to be right. . . . DUCKULA DUCKULA DUCKULA DUCKULA DUCKULA DUCKULA DUCKULA
ps sorry for the essay, im not sure even id have bothered reading it!
06 Nov 2010 13:19:46
Just watched the full J Henry interview, and I was very struck by the similarities with your thoughts back in August Ed.
His key theme was sustainability in the LONG term, as per Arsenal's model. It means buying great talent as cheaply as poss, and developing it to produce a young but strong squad, one that can compete at the very highest level.
So no sugar daddy approach, but a rock solid financial foundation to ensure LFC will still be top 4 when City and Spurs have faded away to mid table again.
He did say too that LFC were prepared to go after even the biggest names if it was neccessary. SO we may still have a few marquee signings, if they are young and can sold later with minimum loss.
I thought Llorente was way out of our price range in Jan, but by the sound of things, if they think he'll score enough goals, they may pay the 30 mill or whatever it was. Still very doubtful about that though, because we still several other positions that badly need strengthening, and he won't want to blow all his budget just on a striker.
Also similar to yours, was his statement that if any players don't want to be at LFC, we don't want them.
Are you sure you didn't buy the club Ed? ?
(Actually no- he doesn't agree with you about Roy being a bit useless, or not yet anyway.) {ed's note - give him time and he will learn that bit too! Though I wouldn't say Roy was useless, he is just what we need at our club.}
06 Nov 2010 13:15:07
"Roy didn't build this team "
No he has made it worse.The next big step forward for the club will be when Roy leaves.
06 Nov 2010 13:13:16
This should be the team for tomorrow's game
Reina
johnson carra skrtel konchesky
meireles gerrard
Babel kuyt
pacheco torres
kuyt on the left because he looked much threatning on the left in the world cup for than he looks on the right with us. Remember his cross pass to torres against west brom when he switched over to left. U agree ed? {ed's note - on Kuyt I do, but not on Babel, he has not put the effort in on the training ground, he has performed poorly whenever he has been given a run of games, it is time to accept he is not good enough and get rid.}
06 Nov 2010 13:03:37
Player to go for in jan who would add depth and quality to our squad. I would love to see us trying to get
JAN INS
TAIWO-5M now or free in summer
EMANUALLSON-3M or free in summer
AFFLAY-5M now or free in summer
SRNA-6M now or free in summer
TOIVANEN-13M
LLORENTE-23M
PAYET-8M
HONDA-14M
Then in the summer
BENEGA-this player is just pure class and will be one of the best players in the world and it doesn't end there he can pass (xabi style) tackle (masch) and has an air of confidence about him.-16m
MARTINEZ-again this player is goingto be the dogs boll@@@s, he is awesome and will eventually take over the healm in the spain squad of XAVI-15M
TEVEZ- i would personally break the bank to sign him one of the most under-rated players, has every thing defenders hate, only if he can sort his head out-30M
BOJAN- Pure class and young would follow nesv remit and just pure quality-20m
MERTSACKER-if the younger players can't cop then a big lump of a defender and quality to boot-15M
STARTING 11 FOR JAN WOULD BE DEPENDIG ON SIGNINGS
. . . . . . . . . . REINA. . . . . . . . .
SRNA. . . . KELLY. . .AGGER. . TAIWO
AFFELAY. . GERRARD. .MEIRELES. .PAYET
. . . . . . TORRES. . .LLORENTE. .
BACK UP PLAYERS WOULD BE ; JONES, JOHNSON, KONK, CARRA, SKRTEL, KUYT, LUCAS, SPEARING, SHELVEY, BABEL, NGOG, JOVANOVIC, PACHECO, AMOO
THEN CUP GAMES WOULD BE
. . . . . . . . . JONES. . . . . . . . .
DERBY. . . SKRTEL. . WISDOM. . MAVINGA.
. . . . . . .LUCAS. . SPEARING. . .
AMOO. . . . . . . SHELVEY. . . . . PACHECO
. . . . . . . . . . . .NGOG. . . .
06 Nov 2010 12:52:17
My 1st tip don't do it just watch it.
Falcon Island 12.55 Down Royal
Blair Mayne YNWA
06 Nov 2010 12:05:40
Alright ed, red dub here, look jan seems to be simlpe to me, spend what ever money we have on a world class partner for torres and sort the rest out in the summer. what u think ed?? ?? ?? {ed's note - I would have thought getting some width in would be just as important or even more so.}
06 Nov 2010 11:37:27
All you people going on about 'get off roy's back'. . .are you blind or what?
yes, he's had a crappy start, maybe the players aren't 'his team' and all the ownership problems have led to major disruptions through the club from the top to the bottom.
But refering back to my 'are you blind' comment, can't you guys SEE that the players are simply not happy with the style of play that they are being induced with?
yes the mood has been sombre due to bad results but this does not hide the fact the type of football the lads are playing is poor. .and that's putting it politely!
granted i'm not classically qualified as a psychologist but in my 20yr plus career working at the top level in management, i can see that the body language and the player's expressions do not lie.
we will probably end up stabilising the club and go up the table but its got nothing to do with roy. .it'll be the players taking matters into their own hands. he is taking us backwards.
example stevie saved our necks the other night, but all roy was saying to him was get back?!
alot of you are right, he will not let skill sparkle.
yes he played shelvey and spearing, who both did briliantly considering, but the likes of pacheco, suso, eccleston, amoo etc will not be given a real go under this manager as he likes solid players not players who are free souls. and he will not take a chance.
why is it that fergie, wenger, ancelotti see and let young talent play yet we seem to be stuck in a rut?
everytime carra, konchesky, soto get the ball they launch it forward, we look for a knock down and then try play forward of the 2nd ball. correct me if i'm wrong bit isn't that what teams did back in the 90's? or stoke, blackburn, wolves now. i definately don't want my team playing that way.
if mr henry was to get rid of roy now, nobody, not one person would really say anything if we're all honest. and roy will probably end up coming out of it ok as he can just say 'they wanted their own man' and they can say 'we wanted a fresh start'. comolli is a good signing and with his years under wenger we will see him fishing for fresh talen, a la bale, wishere.
the one thing that really bugs me is that purslow was one of the main decision makers in roy joining us, and now he's gone. and in all honesty he's the one who's left us with this crappy football.
which kind of backs up the rafa theory that the men at the top didn't have a clue about football. any wonder when kenny heard they were after roy, he through his hat into the ring? he knows, even after all this time, he's better than roy!
would i have KK back? in the short term yes, and if he does ok then let him keep it, guiding someone through to take over like we used to.
why? he knows what we, the fans, want and what we will accept. he kows he can't blag us as roy has been doing. he would defo bring a zip to our game, one who could inspire everyone, plus allowing fresh talent and skilful players to shine. and it would piss fergie off no end!
then if needs be in the summer go for one of
guardiola, hiddink, flores, rijkaard to name but a few.
i think rafa went not because of last season (otherwise roy would have def gone by now) but because of the power struggle between him and purslow. .and as purslow was backed by the RBS he was going to win.
if rafa was there now, we would never have been in this situation. don't even mention his bad buys. all managers incl fergie make them. he would be just the kind of manager NESV need. rafa stood up to fergie. and nearly won. i believe with the right support from purslow last summer we would have kicked on but it seems between parry and purslow they Fcuked it up for him. however unless some twist of fate brings him back i wish him all the best. some of our best results over the last 20 years have been under rafa. .let's not forget that. not winning the league is bad but small victories that bring a snile to the face make that thought go away.
i'll continue to support our boys, but i'm not happy with the type of footy we are playing, and that is down to Roy. Mr Henry if you're reading. .do the honourable thing and say 'thanks for all your efforts roy but we're taking this in a new direction' and then hand over the reins to the King, in the interim.
06 Nov 2010 11:36:34
I want roy out as much as anyone, but wanting the team to lose. .wow! Thats just sick and wrong. Isnt the whole point of being a football supporter wanting your team to win, Jumping up and down when kuyt taps one in past cech in the 89th minute for the 1-0 win and me rubbing it in my brother's face? What the hell is going on? Calling yourself a lfc fan, yet wanting the team to lose is embarassing. Roy out, yes. Wanting my team to lose even if it means handing utd a 19th title, never. Ed please back me up. Or dont, i don't care anymore.
Red bl00ded! {ed's note - I never want to see the team lose personally, no matter what, the most important thing is the team winning.}
06 Nov 2010 11:00:34
I wonder whenever i hear 'the liverpool way', what is the liverpool way? i feel for liverpool to move forward as a football club and as an institution, things need to be done differently. roy is not the moses, he can't lead liverpool to the proverbial promise land. i think it was a big mistake giving the job in the first. let me let you in on what i observed from liverpool games under roy;
1. liverpool do not play well against teams that play their game on the surface with a bit of movement e.g blackpool, wes brom, sunderl, man city. . .
2. liverpool go into games waiting for the opponents to take the initiatives
3.liverpool defend too deep with alot of backward and sideway passes due to lack of movement and wrong tactics.
4. liverpool play with no contigency plan.
roy is gone already, why? a director of football was hired without consultation with him. it's just a matter of time.
06 Nov 2010 10:54:10
Ed why do you insist on letting some of these idiots post on this site? If they can't post with half decent grammer then don't publish it. I'm not saying that they have to have great spelling as i'm sure you are aware that I don't, but at least they should put a little effort in. what's with dis and dat and dem. Come on please!
{Editor's Note: It is not an English test of course.}
ed tell thet fool to feck off i've Dyslexia and he should blow it out his hole hes not the frist nob to post shyte like that.
06 Nov 2010 10:51:54
Remember walcott c.ronaldo rooney?! all started in the first team at their clubs at about age 17 where is pacheco amoo sterling. so depressing pacheco is gonna be a big star in the future and if roy stays it won't be for us. He's recognised as a star for the future spanish team in spain i've got friends in spain who speak very highly of him the youth squads he plays brilliantly the guys very skillfull enough pace and hes hungry next spanish stars Pacheco, Bojan and pedro. I hate Roy. defensive dull no backboned good for nothing Chelsea will enialate us on Sunday and its going to be embarrasing. LFC RED ARMY YWNA TIL I DIE.
06 Nov 2010 10:46:31
Wait for roy's team to gel! with what, poulsons hair gel?
06 Nov 2010 10:40:16
I still think there is going to be a conflict of interests between comolli and hodgson regarding transfers; one will have to go!
getting back to when hodgson was first appointed, i was not too keen on him and would have prefered somebody else! but at the time i also thought that he would be ok in the short term just to "steady the ship" and to give him the benefit of the doubt until the ownership issues were resolved. i now think we have all been patient enough with him and it is plain to see that he can never take us to the top, however long he is our manager! you may think i'm wrong, just wait and see.
06 Nov 2010 10:36:32
Com'on lads lets get behind the team 2morrow win lose or draw lets remind chelski that we are liverpool let them know that we are all 2gether that we never walk alone its time for the moaning to stop lets lift the roof off anfield what you think ed
king henry {ed's note - something akin to the Bolton game, from the fans, would be perfect.}
06 Nov 2010 10:36:09
It's good to see some positive remarks about Roy on this site.I do believe Roy needs a season to prove to the pro Roy and anti Roy supporters.A top 4 finish and/ or a cup, a job well done, a top 6 finish on shaky ground, anything less then (a new manager for 2011)
Redeyedhector
06 Nov 2010 10:35:55
We shud play babel in iur opening line up against chelsea if Roy wants to win
There are SO many things i could say that is wrong with this sentence and it's got nothing to do with the Grammer!
The Sculptor
06 Nov 2010 10:25:10
ON MY SIGNAL. . UNLEASH THE KIDS!
06 Nov 2010 09:21:17
The ownership of the clubs changed hands for the better, im impressed with John Henrys 'hands on'/ proactive approach and the structuring of the NESV group fits well with Liverpool FC.
The teams starting to perform, the green shoots of recovery are evident and the players seem to be coming out from a period of 'hiding' into a clear eagerness to grind out a result.
The training ground policies are now being produced on the pitch, the teams stating to gel. Theres some fantasting talent coming through the youth i.e shelvy, kelly, ecclestone and spearing and ive been impressed as to how well they seem to have bedded into the first team when given the opportunity.
A couple of shrewd signings in the transfer windows and the phoenix will rise from the ashes. The mighty reds are back, utds days are over and its about time too, they've had it good for too long.
Dont you think theres a parallel with Fergusons tumultous strt at utdn Hodgsons? a clutch of youth i.e. beckham, giggs, scholesand nevilles/ wilson, shelvey, pachecao, spearing, kelly, ecclestone.
Its clear to see the uderstanding between the young lads when they've been given the opportunity in the first team. The futures bright, lets get behind Roy, he's the man for the job.
I can see a vicotory sunday against chelsea and a possible top fo finish.
06 Nov 2010 08:25:25
Ed i can't work you out! Before the summer you were keen on us signing Roy as manager. Now you just want rid, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but maybe your judge of managers is as good as that of players! Who do you want us to sign so that you can change your mind and want them to leave in the summer? ;) {ed's note - I wasn't keen on Roy, I just thought he might be a good option to settle things down until a takeover was done. But I have never thought he was a long term answer, I would be very surprised if anyone thought that.}
06 Nov 2010 08:02:06
05 Nov 2010 20:50:20
Liverpool Owners NESV Could Take Two Years To Decide Future Of Anfield As John Henry Rules Out New Stadium By 2012
Please don't start breaking promises the way the other yanks did. don't mean to be negative but this could mean that we are going to have another 5 years before a stadiumis built - not good enough!
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NESV have never really made any promises in public. They are far more calm and measured compared to Hicks and Gillett. I can't see John W Henry stupidly getting wads of cash out of top pocket and showing off their supposed wealth and bragging about what they plan to do in pre match interviews like H&G did on the day of the Champions League final in Athens 2007 in an interview with Sky Sports. Henry and friends seems to have a little more quality than that.
06 Nov 2010 07:52:16
I think we could do a lot worse than buying tiote from Newcastle. Looks a solid DM and would be cheap. I've seen him play 3 times and has good positioning, can pass. . Forward and win the ball. Would do a short term job until summer, then be good back up. Just a thought.
JC
06 Nov 2010 07:20:12
Ed why do you insist on letting some of these idiots post on this site? If they can't post with half decent grammer then don't publish it. I'm not saying that they have to have great spelling as i'm sure you are aware that I don't, but at least they should put a little effort in. what's with dis and dat and dem. Come on please!
{Editor's Note: It is not an English test of course.}
06 Nov 2010 07:16:37
Well, after what Henry said yesterday, Pepe, Fernando, Dani A, Dani P, Chris Mavinga and others alike, you've all got my full blessings if you want to leave, boys. You're better than playing route ones, or chasing after hopelessly hoofed up field balls, and certainly deserve better than being marginalised and overlooked for mucus such as Poulsen and Konchesky. I love my club Liverpool, but I also don't want to see such talent suffer.So, God forgive me for saying this, but I'd rather see the aforementioned lads doing the biz and realising their potential at other clubs (yes, even our fiercest of rivals) than deteriorate and rot in our fringes.Shankly taught me better about selfishness/ selflessness.
These lads, like me, the editors, Blair, Chris and everyone else, have their own dreams and aspirations.Football is their livelihood, their bread and butter and happy playfield. They aspire to always improve;be better than they were yesterday.And sadly, LFC is not that place for them right now.And it pains me to say that;it pains me to some of the best and most promising youths in years being shut out the way they're;being forced to play positions foreign to them.It pains me even more hearing Mr Henry saying how "unfairly Roy has been criticised", and how he intends giving Hodgson the his support and providing him with the "resources he needs".
You know, had Roberto Carlos not left Inter when Hodgson was tyring to ruin him there, we'd probably never have got the chance to witness the brilliance and thrills of one of the best leftbacks of our era. And I fear the same for Agger, Pacheco, Pepe Raul etc if this man stays.
Hodgson might keep grinding out results, but so will the deterioration of the quality the LFC player, disillusionment, unrest and disharmony.
A very broken
Silver Song
06 Nov 2010 04:17:35
We shud play babel in iur opening line up against chelsea if Roy wants to win
this is wat it shud look like
Reina
Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Konchesky
Gerrard Meireles
Babel Rodriguez
Torres Kuyt
(4-2-2-2)
06 Nov 2010 02:56:20
Reina
Johnson Carrahar Skrtel Coentrao
Kuyt Matuidi Meireles Afellay
Gerrard
Torres
06 Nov 2010 02:52:33
I would like to see these players come in January
Afellay
Honda
Coentrao
Gomez
Matuidi
Will this happen no
06 Nov 2010 02:50:36
Suso, Robinson, Flanagan, wisdom, Sterling, Amoo, Ecclestone, Ince, Ayala, Wilson, shelvey all great prospects
5 players with most potential
1)Suso
2)Shelvey
3)Wilson
4)Wisdom
5)Sterling
Also Michael ngoo, brilliant prospect has all the atributes that lacina traore has.only 19, about 6'4, 6'5
fast, strong, good on the ball and good finisher
06 Nov 2010 02:19:02
Spot on ed, his form for holland isa prime example, he and cole i think cud play alongside torres in a
4-3-3 until we get a few decent signings.
with gerrard meireles and lucas behind them, just an idea that may work if tested.
wa u tink ed
jay b {ed's note - I would like to see us give that a go, we don't have the wide players for a 4-4-2, so it may be the only way round it. Worrying thing is that we would probably play that as a 4-5-1!}
06 Nov 2010 02:09:55
Totally agree with the poster backing RH. The knee-jerking negativity amongst fans is getting ridiculous. In the past LFC fans had more respect for the manager and would be defending him from the knives. These days fans can't wait to stick the knife in like blood thirsty killers. He took on a job with a team that finished 7th, totally devoid of confidence, cohesion and purpose. He had the most players of any club at the world cup. They were already exhausted and had to start pre-season late. His star striker got injured-AGAIN. His star defensive midfielder treated him and the club like dirt and jumped ship. The owners were still feuding with each other, the board and the fans. He had little or no money. He had no left back to speak of. It's clear our scouts have been failing for years. Konchesky and poulsen were cheap panic buys faced with losing mascher and no left back. Then 2 of his first 3 league games were against city and arsenal. Rome wasn't built in a day'
maybe so but there is no ention in roys lack of youth in epl games, and his persistance in playing player out of position, aswell as playing torres as a lone striker with the other 10 players nicely camped in our own half to avoid condeding
06 Nov 2010 02:00:42
Also forgot to mention.
why doestn kuyt play behind torres?
when kuyt 1st joined he was doing well up there and lets e honest, apart from deterination,
finishing is propably what he is best at. he is good in the air aswell.also done ok last year up front in place of torres. if we want attacking football he shud be up there. with stevie left dictating things in the middle. just my personel opinion because hes not quick enough to play out wide, .
what u think ed?
jay b {ed's note - I agree, he needs to play further forward, he was excellent for Holland playing a left sided forward role off a main striker.}
06 Nov 2010 01:09:44
Regarding the league form this season - It is worth remembering that already we have played . . Man Utd , Man City & Everton away , plus Arsenal at home . Those matches could be considered our toughest games this season . Sure their have been a few dodgy results around the same time , but the game against Chelsea on Sunday could be a good barometer for any progress that has been made since the start of the season . The team needs to make it's mark sometime , right? Why not against Chelsea at Anfield on Sunday .
Hopefully our faith will be rewarded soon .
06 Nov 2010 01:05:08
Thank god the world suddenly stopped making senes for a second
Your kidding right? C.Cole is world class and a pl proven striker. He's a very hard working player. Whose strong with his head and is good with both feet. He has fantasic movement and would be bargin for 15 million.
Damien duff has fantasic experience, gives lots of width and has a great left foot. He can play both rw and lw. One of the best wingers in pl history. If we get Damien duff for 15 million then we'd get a steal. You laughing yet? Was kidding. There awful
sarcasm only works when you understand, and can command, the english language
bringbackkingigor
06 Nov 2010 01:02:01
For the great fans on here saying give Roy a chance, he will come good etc. Please remember the comments he has said in his post match interviews (which has angered me the most).
This is not the manager we need who dosn't even stick up for our great club as he has not embraced how great our club is. Like Rafa said "Roy's press conference's are getting worse".
Say we draw 0-0 with Chelski and Spurs in our next games. What will he say in the post match interview? He will probably say
"These are 2 of the greatest results in LFC's history and can only bode well for the future. I set the team out to do a professional job and our tactics were spot on today. We created loads of chances but i'm glad we didn't score as i set the team out to draw. So all in all i've done my best for the team and fans today which should please them"
I've only in my whole life supporting the greatest club on the planet hated one LFC manager and his name is Roy Hodgson.
Blair Mayne YNWA
PS. F*ck off Roy!
06 Nov 2010 01:01:36
How long do u think it will be before we are challenging for the top 4. I think top 4 next season if we buy the right players and manager.
{Editor's Note: I don't see any reason why this season needs to be discounted yet. Just the slightest tweaking and we can push on.}
RE:- Editors Note , that is a priceless response , a real lift to a concerned fan . I look forward to Roy Hodgson and the team turning the season around .
06 Nov 2010 00:55:13
With all these stupid rumours you lot keep posting regarding players joining youre gonna have to change the words from walk on to dream on?
06 Nov 2010 00:46:13
Just lookin at prem table i no its bad bein in 13th but were only 5points off champs league places. I think we can easily achieve dat wit da squad we have and 1 or 2 players in jan im just afraid to go threw dis wit roy i no he isn't da man to get us der, i wud love to beat cheski sunday but wouldn't dat give roy more time in da job which is bad for us in da long run. So wat are our options? Lose to them and roy get sacked or win and his job is safe! Den i no we don't sack managers after just a few months and isn't dat one of da reasons we love our club, do we wanna break dat? Wat are ye're thoughts lads irish red adam YNWA
06 Nov 2010 00:44:09
Totally agree with the poster backing RH. The knee-jerking negativity amongst fans is getting ridiculous. In the past LFC fans had more respect for the manager and would be defending him from the knives. These days fans can't wait to stick the knife in like blood thirsty killers. He took on a job with a team that finished 7th, totally devoid of confidence, cohesion and purpose. He had the most players of any club at the world cup. They were already exhausted and had to start pre-season late. His star striker got injured-AGAIN. His star defensive midfielder treated him and the club like dirt and jumped ship. The owners were still feuding with each other, the board and the fans. He had little or no money. He had no left back to speak of. It's clear our scouts have been failing for years. Konchesky and poulsen were cheap panic buys faced with losing mascher and no left back. Then 2 of his first 3 league games were against city and arsenal. Rome wasn't built in a day'
RED HERRING
Great Post HereTOO.
06 Nov 2010 00:37:02
Reina
johnson Pepe agger coentrao
gerrard meireles
Honda Turan
Torres aguero
Just dreaming!