Liverpool Banter Archive November 06 2011

 

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06 Nov 2011 23:47:05
Just been thinking, after reading the posts after the game, i'm absolutely dreading what people could be saying if things don't go our way against Chelsea, Man City and of course, the League Cup.

I'm praying we get 6 points!

Stu.


I'm realistic - i'll accept 2 draws. i've given up on the Carling cup seeing as they are hell-bent on giving it to the mancs

SingRed


 

 

06 Nov 2011 23:43:42
ED01 if Higuan was to leave Madrid where would he be likely to go in your view?

RED87 {Ed001's Note - I would expect City and Chelsea to be interested.}


Do you think there's a chance he will move to the prem then ED? {Ed001's Note - no, I think he will stay with Madrid.}


Madrid would be crazy to let him go. He's one of the best strikers in the world. Twice the player Benzema ever will be.

Matthew...


 

 

06 Nov 2011 23:30:39
I know we are only 11 games in but all that cash we splashed at newcastle has seemed to have back fired on us a little. That cabaye feller in paticular seems a good player. we are 6th? after over £100mill spent? anyone asking the same questions?

lfcjohnynwa


Can you point out who we bought for £100 million?
JayB


Lfcjohnynwa

Lots of people have been laughing at Liverpool during and since the Rafa days. Your club, and in particular your supporters are the laughing stock. You know absolutely nothing about football. Charlie Adam, Andy Carroll, Henderson, Downing, would never have seen a Liverpool shirt years ago. You get rid of Meireles, a top player, and expect to be top 4...you are a joke, and you are all so dumb you can't see it! At least you are asking questions!


"Lots of people have been laughing at Liverpool during and since the Rafa days. Your club, and in particular your supporters are the laughing stock."...

Can't thank you enough, thanks for dropping by Gary Neville.

dd


Yes i can indeed. carroll = 35million, hendo = 20 million, downing = 20 million, suarez = 20 million, adam = 10 million.
thanks. lfcjohnynwa


Ed someone has put my name on a post i didnt write? lfcjohnynwa. i posted the first one but my name is on top of second post? can you remoove it pls. {Ed001's Note - no, it was because he was replying to you, surely that is obvious?}


Newcastle had an easy run, they face 3 tough games now, lets see what happens as the season pans out.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 23:30:21
some of our younger supporters understandably want to taste success of winning the league title,many of our older supporters have been privelaged to watch the reds win many trophies. kenny dalglish will bring success to lfc again but players will be bought and sold in the next few windows so be patient , and as regards to wanting him out those supporters really need to look at what he has done for liverpool not just the club but also the people and that means marina dalglish with her charity work . he is loved and he loves lfc, take time out from criticising him and look at our history and you will find out who the men are who made our club great, redello


Rafa Benitez and Montze did much for our club and city as well, and he lives and breathes LFC

SingRed


Yes totally agree and rafa was given time and money so lets do the same with kenny and be patient ,redello


 

 

06 Nov 2011 23:26:10
Dear Ed's ... Having spent 35m, some LFC fans seem somewhat disgruntled with Carroll's goal return. On the Chelsea pages, are their fans as violently vocal about their own 50m investment>>? This is not a loaded question, I genuinely would be interested to know.

Thanks

dd {Ed001's Note - nothing like as bad, no.}


At least torres is putting in a decent shift now for them like his workrate is decent granted he aint hittin the target but carroll niether scores or rarely puts in a decent shift only game ive seen him do have well in was the stoke carling cup game i thought he was decent then otherwise nah


"hee's big
He's fat
He bounces on the ground
Andy Carroll Andy Carroll"


Yep you hit the nail on the head. I dont want to talk about Torres but at least he works his socks off. Carroll is unlucky really as its not his fault he is here its whoever wanted him here fault. They shouldve done their homework properly. He has no touch or speed and speed is what Commoli said was essential in our recruitment in the summer. He is very cumbersome and lacks the want and ability to defend from attack. But its not his fault he is built like that.
Speedy


He's not big and round then?
Kenny2


Torres works his socks off.... yeah right! lol


Torres is having to work his socks off to stay in the team and cover up his lack of goals, did he put that effort in the last 18 months at Liverpool. No


 

 

06 Nov 2011 23:19:20
We've got the creative spark in Luis. A natural finishers whats needed to put the hundreds of chances

Stu.

************************

Has anyone realised that yes, Suarez does have a creative spark, but most of the time, creates the chances for himself, and tries to finish them on his own. Personally I have found him rather selfish on many occasions when there are better options around than to shoot at goal.

Keith YNWA


Thats bcoz suarez knows too well how crap the players around him are, n thats why he tries everything himself.
Indian Buzzer


Better yet why not bench him and have no chances?


 

 

06 Nov 2011 23:06:54
Just wondering, do any of the ed's know how that young lad Bijev is getting on at Dusseldorf?

Not heard much about him..

Thanks

Stu. {Ed001's Note - difficult to keep track of a player in the German 4th Division I am afraid, as that is where he is currently playing. I would love to be able to find some games online to watch him, but I have not yet seen any to watch sorry. I think the only chance of finding out is to have someone from Germany go watch him play for us ....... any volunteers?}


Up to now he has made three appearences for the reserves and scored two goals.
Dutchmal


Up to now he has made three appearences and scored two goal. How can anyone tick 'disagree'?
Dutchmal


 

 

06 Nov 2011 23:03:00
Hoilett is avoidable for free in jan why has there not been serious interest, only 22 and just what we need we should really push for him.

Also if Johnson is to leave I believe we need another right back, push for walker who I believe is the best in the league (18mil)

An attacking mid is also needed we should buy one of these next season when were in the CL to attract top players.


Kelly is best right back we hav at the moment. If he can prove more of his fitness. Johnson's departure wouldn't hurt us. Flanno is good too but he needs experience. some time out on loan for him and we don't need to even think about a new Rb. YNWA


There has been no interest because he is 'avoidable'. Everyone is waiting for him to become available.
DM


 

 

06 Nov 2011 22:56:47
How many guys who comment on here actually go the game, have played the game or fully understand the game for themselves and not what a bunch of TV experts say?????.....Spurs and yesterday apart, how many can honestly say we haven't played well and with that little bit of luck, could and should have at least an extra 10 points. Stoke(away) Norwich, Man U, Sunderland (home).........I agree we are all disappointed with yesterday but look at the teams above us and consider how many years they have had to set their teams, a lot more than 12 months!!.......get a grip people and get behind the manager and the team and start to support and not moan!


I play regurly and played at a high level in my younger years and I used to go to games before I moved abroad. There is a lack of passion to win on the pitch. Apart from Suarez and Carragher (who is playing poorly) I dont see the passion anymore. Gerrard has been injured so I am not counting him. I am frustrated because of what I used to see from Liverpool and from what I am seeing now. But in a way we shouldnt blame the players...its just that they are not good enough bar 4 players, this is why we are poor. Its the recruitment policy that has affected Liverpool the last 10 to 20 years but all that is dictated by the amount of money we have at our disposal.
S


I have also played to a high level and continue to(being only 18), I have trialled for my nation(new zealand) at an age group level and am on the cusp of our national championship. I also watch a lot of football, not just liverpool and have a strong knowledge of the game and I can safely say that we are playing some of the best football I have seen Liverpool play in my life and with a bit of luck would and could be at least third if not second. The negativity on here is appalling, the only way to rectify the situation is to put faith in the players and management and look forward to the next game.
KiwiRed


Good man KiwiRed (for a NZder) lol

Fensh (SA)


Hehe cheers Fensh, by the way how was your Rugby world cup, mine was fantastic. Lol, nah just kidding mate I reckon if you played us in the semi's you would have done us but lady luck was smiling on us. Something which hasn't happened for Liverpool, yeah we need a goalscorer but also a bit of luck wouldn't go amiss. Anyway good luck to Liverpool and England.(My old mans a Geordie)
KiwiRed


 

 

06 Nov 2011 22:38:02
Kenny went British.

Our two best signings so far are a Uruguayan and a Spaniard.

Anyone got Bergers number to put on the left?

Spriggo


He didnt go British , you dork


Yup, brittish signings have so far not been productive. They really need to get things right.


You say Kenny went British but then mention two different nationalities as the two best signings.
*MASSIVEFACEPALMSMILEY*

KT!


You cant have a team full of foreigners anymore lad.

As soon as Hendo, Carroll, Downing and Adam come good your words will be rammed down your throat!

They haven't become bad players over night.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 22:24:41
Kenny is doing just fine the most important thing for a new manager is to start from the back. Which i believe we have a good defence and we are keeping clean sheets. All good sides start from the back.

You then start adding your flair players as time goes on. But it just doesnt happen in a matter of 5 mins. Lets be patient we are building from a really good base.

Mighty reds


 

 

06 Nov 2011 22:11:17
Ed what is the availability of Dries Mertens? He plays with great confidence, pace and technique. He possesses the footballing attributes that LFC lack wide left at present and at only 24 and playing for a Netherlands club he must be surely be on DC's scouting books. Yes we have Downing but we could switch to 4-2-3-1 with Downing moved to wide right, Mertens wide left and Suarez in behind Carroll. {Ed002's Note - He has only just moved to PSV. You have MOTD fever.}


Must be a long lasting fever - Mertens ability was on show through out last season playing for Utrecht. He was one of the top 3 players in the Eredivisie and this season afte 1/3 he is so far the top player in the league. Do you think he has to prove himself at a higher level?


 

 

06 Nov 2011 22:07:46
Just to all those who don't already know, Carroll is not in the England squad (he has been replaced by Agbonglahor).

What do you guys think about this?

Thanks, James.


Who cares about england, richards is better than johnson and not in the squad

capello dont have a clue

The Dark Knight


Good, he can't get injured.

maka
YNWA JFT96


I support Liverpool but like Man united more than I do England.


Lol I woudnt go that far saying Man Utd over england


Who cares stopped watchimg england years ago


 

 

06 Nov 2011 21:50:17
Ed, do you think the owners have faith in KK's transfer policy? John Henry did say they had overspent on some players. Also, do you think they will let him spend more money in Jan? Personally, I don't to either, but interested to hear your thoughts.

Ash {Ed001's Note - have you ever taken the time to do research into the 'moneyball' system? The overspend is a part of it.}


Obviously not Ed, but I understand basic maths and how a business works and makes decisions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought "moneyball" was about signing players with a higher potential sell-on? Not overspending in the long term. Besides, that philosophy, for me, doesn't work so well in football.

Ash {Ed001's Note - no, it is about winning trophies. It states quite clearly that you will have to 'overspend' on problematic positions in the short term.}


Moneyball system? tell me more {Ed001's Note - google it and read up about it.}


Then why did John Henry point the 'overspend' out if it was just part of the plan? There has to be a percentage or a rough formula to calculate the overspend on players.

Ash {Ed001's Note - I don't believe he did point it out, just because that is how an interview has been edited to look doesn't mean that was how it was meant to be. He was making a general point in answer to a question.}


Whoa...is Ash making a negative criticism of LFC?? So unlike him!


 

 

06 Nov 2011 21:47:02
Hi guys/gals for a change of pace how about a little fun,you smart young men please carry on were i leave off thanks. whats the MATA with liverpool are we looking for a SILVA lining =


It may be the Hendof the road for some of the average players in the squad.
No need to get Downing the dumps about it though


I Suarez to G*D things will get Better if we Carra On


I am ADAMant that we need a new striker.

maka
YNWA JFT96


I cant bear to Lucas we slide further away from a top 4 spot


I'm not skrtl-ing around this subject, stop giving the players Agger-o and Reina in your opinions, we will get there without a kuyt.


Oh, CLEVERLEY DUNNE. A DAMn shame about points GIVEN away but chin UP,SON, don't be DOWNING the dumps, it'll all worK UYT.


We need MAXImum points from all the games till Christmas now


Need Pacheco book out in January


Andy Carroll is a lazy KUYT

Pop aus


Is it OWEN to bad purchases-let's not RUSH to conclusions


No more DYER performances please boys


We need to improve. HEND-of.

Ash


Thanks guys/gals great (godin)


 

 

06 Nov 2011 21:32:24
kenny made the point of lookin at ourselves so here are the problems i see. carroll is not good enough he may prove me wrong but i cant see it, by including him and playin 442 is a formation adam cant handle he is too easily bypassed playin in this formation. so personally i think kenny has to sacrifice one of these 2 to make us look a better team because like it or not redmen we have looked avareage all season. i feel sorry for hendo he gets alot of crap but hes never a right mid and shouldnt be judged until he gets a run in the middle which could be done at the sacrifice of carroll but whatever kk does i feel we are short creativity wise so i feel its important to buy in jan a pacy winger or a creativty player is a must

but i keep believein as all redmen do yr thoughts eds and redmen

kopman


Don't agree we have looked average all season. We have been average for a few games but played very well for the majority. You don't play average football by hitting the woodwork 10 times in 11 games.


Kopman

You are so wrong it is a disgrace. Carroll and Adam are good enough for Liverpool, they are that bad! I also feel sorry for "Hendo". You are right he is not a right mid. Trouble is, he's not a cen mid or left mid either. He makes a nice half-time cuppa though!

Keep believein redmen, we all love Kenny!


Right on


Well i cant recall watching us and coming away and thinking we are going to do this or that our heads are in the clouds if we think we have. dont get me wrong i love kenny as much as anyone but i feel hes overlooking certain things to justify signings and its obvious they arent working as a unit i really do feel we are vulnrible (spelling) playing 442 with the players we have at the mo

kopman


We're implementing a brand new style of football with a boatload of new players, etc, etc. It will take some time. We play some absolutely fantastic one touch passing and triangles and all of the like, our fullbacks are always bombing down the flanks - we play a very entertaining brand of football. Sometimes, we can't find that end product, and it's something that'll come with confidence, some time, and maybe some flair instilled into our team mentality. Charlie Adam does not make the "Hollywood" passes he was making with Blackpool, and in fact isn't always immediately looking for it. That's just the way we are playing now. Quick, fluid, pass and move. Have some faith in the club, they are doing the right thing.

McSnuggles


Ive told you before dont have blind faith in any person or thing.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 21:06:55
I've spent a long time sitting on the fence and sarcastically commenting on other peoples posts, never really posted a thread of my own. I've managed to get to a few league games in the past couple of years but due to family and work commitments, not as much as I would like to.

I watch every game when I can and every other team as much as I can and the one difference I notice is the fans. I don't think Anfield can boast being the loudest fans in the league, yesterday was like a sponsored silence until the last 10 minutes (when we coincidentally upped our game) and it's been like this for a while in my opinion.

I believe the fans play a much larger role in any match than given credit for, just look at White Hart Lane as one example. They scream the house down and the players (and referee when we went down there) react to it. A lot of people slated Lennon on here when the rumour of us having a bid for him was circulating, but even he reacts well to the fans and, let's be honest, has been putting some nice shifts in. I'm not saying we should have bid for him, just using him as an example.

I just believe that players like Downing and Adam would react positively to a louder more positive crowd than one that just makes a groaning noise when someone makes a mistake. Like the scum match, the fans were up for it and the players reacted. The crowd just doesn't get up for the (shall we say) lesser teams, which we more often than not disappoint when playing.

Anyway, that's my rant over, sorry for saying 'react' so much aswell, I can't find my thesaurus... Any thoughts on that eds?

Myk {Ed001's Note - I agree myself, the fans make a huge difference, often all you can hear is someone shouting abuse at certain players. It does seem the atmosphere is totally different for the bigger games and then people wonder why the team is more up for those than the smaller games.}


Yes I agree as well, good post Myk.
Yesterday was like a library.
The Real KB


We need to get the message out to the fans who go to these games to get behind the team every game. Was athe Norwich game and there was this bloke sitting infront of me and not once did he try join in with the crowd, all he did was shout f****** hell , f this and f that. we dont need this, we all may think the team is playing poor but we need to spur them forward like we do ithe big games.


I agree, fans do make a difference. You call another team "scum", you want Dalglish back, and he brings in cr*p, and now you want Benetez back! Fans get what they deserve, and LFC fans are getting what they deserve all right! ha ha ha


I'll gladly take the tickets of the silent / moan brigade. There are thousands of us who can't get tickets who would love to shout encouragement.


I agree with you Myk mate, but don't you think it's upto the players when the crowd feels quiet, to excite them, encourage them and ultimately make them raise their voice in a positive sense. I believe the supporters and the players should help each other out symbiotically. Apart from when Suarez gets the ball, there is no sense of excitement among the crowd; perhaps its upto the new brigade, Downing, Adam, etc to 'up' the crowd? Just my thoughts.

GreenMeanMachine


To "HA HA HA", if that is your real name. 'scum' is an affectionate name, don't take it to heart and I (have) never once mentioned wanting Benitez (spelled correctly) back. Thanks for reading my post though.

Yes green I agree that it should be a 2 way street but, the new players will need that extra bit of encouragement on our part to get them to top form, rather than playing gingerly and cautiously.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this anyway.

Myk


Agree Myk, but the way I look at it, the likes of Downing as an England international, Adam as the Blackpool messiah and at Rangers and Carroll at Newcastle all had pressure on them one way or the other. Besides, all of them are International players. I don't really think that should go up as an excuse to underperform or in other words, scared to make a mistake. If anything, it perhaps shows the lack of character in them; though some of them are really young. My thoughts.

GreenMeanMachine


 

 

06 Nov 2011 20:10:47
I always felt that it was a mistake to sell Raul Meireles. Liverpool would definitely be a stronger attacking unit if they still had Meireles in their squad.


He wanted to leave!
What part of that can't you get through to your Fooking brain.

KT!


I still cant believe we sold him, and have aquilani out on loan.
Has i have siad before i feel the player squad is going backwards. The likes of Adam just are not top 4 players.

Rushdentillidie


He only left because we didn't come good on the promises we made him. He was a game changer, remember Wolves away last season


@KT: if i'm not mistaken luca modric wanted to leave spurs and they told him he cant...and now look how good he's playin...we should never have allowed mereiles to leave, end off!!


 

 

06 Nov 2011 19:57:04
just passing on something i heard apparently after being subbed against swansea Carroll went straight down the tunnel and drove straight home.

this sounds very similar to the Robbie Keane situation who left at half time of the derby one year. what are the chances we could cut our losses in january ala keane?


Im amazed he knew his way home. Probably stopped at the pub.


IF he's done that,he can go. His loss.


Trouble is we will get nothing for him, what other club will buy him. Same as Keane money wasted yet again.

Rushdentillidie


Its just a manc rumour lads, never happened, he stayed till end


Please don't be gullible, you make us look stupid.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 19:51:01
this is food for thought! - John Henry boxes himself in at Liverpool over Kenny Dalglish

thepremierleagueowl.com/2011/11/06/john-henry-boxes-himself-in-at-liverpool-over-kenny-dalglish/?


As much as i hate to say it, buts its pretty spot on


Kenny Dalglish will NEVER be sacked. If anything at all, the owner will have a chat with him and if it's the correct time, the King will STEP DOWN. And until that day comes, he is the best man for the job. Keep the faith, reds.

McSnuggles


 

 

06 Nov 2011 19:48:57
If after 11 games we are saying that the lads are lacking a little confidence and are nervous well I am worried. It could just be that the players dont have the mental strength to play for Liverpool FC. The blame lies with KD and DC. £80m + spent on nervous players what a joke.

Start by playing players that have confidence i.e. Bellamy then play players in right position i.e. Henderson in the middle. Thirdly stop selling better players i.e. Meirless (far better quality than Adam).

I am sick of all the excuses been hearing them for years


^^ And we are STILL hearing them, from you too funnily enough.


"and are nervous, well I am worried".
If you are also "worried", maybe you're not mentally strong enough to follow Liverpool.


The 'I'm worried' brigade are back... 'They're worried, you're worried'... you must of needed resusitation at halftime Istanbul.

dd


 

 

06 Nov 2011 19:39:57
I am really praying the the club turn a corner regarding us scoring more goals.

7 games undefeated is not the end of the world but the Draw Factor is starting to creep back like the Benitez days.

I think the squad has definitely improved on the whole from last season. But the worry is starting to creep in that after spending £100 million we could still finish 6th and have no cup success.

A question I want to ask the eds is what do you think the owners would do if we finished 5th or 6th this season without a cup?

Do you think its the case of no CL and Kennys out? Or do you think they would continue to back him.

Personally I would like some continuity and have him stay on for another year if this occurs.

However we know football is a brutal results driven game.

Do you think Downing form will get better. Its been around 12 games with no assists or goals for an winger this is a poor return with around 25% of the season gone. What are your thoughts on his contribution so far?

Eldon Shepherds Bush Red
{Ed001's Note - I don't believe Kenny will be sacked, he will be given two seasons, in my opinion. As for Downing, he will be ok, he just needs time and less negative bile on the web regarding him. He is trying too hard at the moment, like Adam, they need to settle down and be allowed to play without the idiots spitting bile at them on the net.}


Ed001. Spot on.

Waro


They can choose not to read the crap ed, just like anyone famous.
Do you think that social media & the forums have really affected their confidence?
Ultra Red {Ed009's Note - Of course it has. If you looked on a social networking site (the only parallel we can draw) and saw everybody criticising an aspect of you, you would be unable to function so well, surely? Of course it is not nearly as demoralising as seeing those you know spreading negativity, but in the end it all counts.}


Good point. I think that any player who is lacking in confidence should know how to get it back by being mentally strong enough to deal with rants from idiots.
Come from good management aswell & KK is the right man for that eh...


 

 

06 Nov 2011 19:36:45
hi eds and reds (well they say they are) you guys need to get of jordan hendo's back.You can tell the lad is nervous to try thinks and that the reason there his negative play.If you guys would get of his back the lad can show what he truly can do.He will not get better until you give the guy credit when its due.All you do is pick out the negatives from his play.

Danny


I don't think people are on Henderson's back, I think people feel sorry that he's being played out of position. The lads a good play and when you watch him play in the centre for the u21's he stands out.
Just give it time.

I think adam has done ok but just feel he suits a 3man midfield. His best performance was against man utd which is no coicidence. Problem is we generally play 442, so not sure how that will plan out. Think downings done ok and we look a threat down the left.


I agree with the last poster about Adam. He looked better against United,as well. because they sat back a bit. I know they put Jones on him but it was a fairly low tempo game and almost like a European game. I think it suited him more, maybe with the added insurance of Stevie,too.
Against WBA, the early goal helped us and they never put us under pressure, so Adam,again, looked more assured. Again,in the derby,the early sending off worked in his favour.
He seriously struggled against Spurs who really closed us down quickly. I think he needs time on the ball to show what he can do.


The crux of the problem is hat we strengthened in an area where we arguably did not need to- central midfield. We already had Spearing and Shelvey who performed admirably last season - whilst all the pundits in footie mentioned Adam's lack of pace when we went for him. Hendo is being played out of position as we have had too many central midfielders


 

 

06 Nov 2011 19:26:03
Looking over the posts since yesterday's game, i think the supporters are unfortunately split into two groups at the moment.

Those who are in support in of KING Kenny, and those who aren't.

Now some people are saying 'no-one is bigger than the club' but Kenny typifies this football club, the success he's brought, the support during Hillsborough. And to think that we were second in the form table for the second half of last season.

I'm definitely behind him. Long live the King!

Stu.


I agree we have to back Kenny and the team. I have around 18 months worth of patience left with KD.

I guess at the end of the season we will need to look at all the factors like wins, draws, losses,goals, goals conceded final position cup runs, effort, individual player progression, team playing style, performances against the top 4, vs the others, away performances, games won from being behind and entertainment value.

I still think its a little early to be getting too down and with the minority who are getting a little aggressive.

Eldon Shepherds bush Red


I agree mate, impatience isn't a strong enough word.

Stu.


In ferguson's first 3 seasons in charge, he bounced between mid table to runners up and back to mid table. utd fans started calling for ferguson to be sacked 3 SEASONS into ferguson's reign but the utd board kept him. He finally delivered in the 92-93 season (6 years after being appointed manager) and utd have obviously been on a good league run ever since. Yet some of our supporters are already calling for Dalglish to be sacked after only returning to the managerial role for 10 months. Fickle? Ok, you can also argue that 21 years is a long wait for us but utd had to wait 26 years altogether. Some people just don't know the meaning of words like "support" and "patience".

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Again, i agree mate.

Stu. {Ed001's Note - me too!}


Cheers guys, it's just frustrating reading some of the comments on here at times!

Cuchulainn`s Hounds


While I agree and support Kenny, unfortunately times have moved on from them and managers are not given 3 seasons anymore. A lot of money is spent and owners expect immediate results.


I still think Dalglish will see out his contract mate.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

06 Nov 2011 19:02:49
Hey ed just a word of support for the lads..as shanks said if you can't support us when we lose or draw don't support us when we win...at this time we need to get behind the blokes and support them unconditionally..please post thanks


If your not man enough to point out the faults then your not doing your club any favours. get behind em for the 90 mins by all means but the club is bigger than any one man., even the manager. KOS


How are you doing the club a favour by pointing things out? Do you think they will listen to us; all of us; with all our different opinions. By all means, have a moan, give your views but you are over playing your importance, if you think those in charge are going to take any notice. And you're have a dig at KD not being bigger than the club!
Give him a chance and the time he deserves. He (and Carra) warrant more respect than they have been getting on these pages, lately.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:46:40
One thing from yesterdays result.It's now 2 and a half games without Carra and yet to concede a goal. We are not taking our early chances and then we're snatching at chances as the time runs down. I must say though Man utd Norwich and Swansea Keepers have all made super saves in the three matches.We are creating chances and time will come when we give teams a hiding.Rome wasn't built in a day,so let's stick by the team.


Well said that man
aintree dave


Top post

Stu.


Well said.with a bit of luck on our side we will start scoring for fun.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:39:26
Evening Ed is there any chance that you could refrain from posting any and all posts that include the words "bring back Rafa" or any other similar comment as the people who are harping on about this obviously have no clue about football. Thanks

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - It'll get really quiet if I rtemove the anti Dalglish posts Chris.}


Evening Ed, Chris, any chance you could only post people who sign their posts ? Or even if people only replied to people who sign their posts..

Sorry if its just me but find it annoying not to know who's saying what.

Conor {Ed002's Note - We have discussed it Conor. Perhaps when we are nearer the transfer window.}


Evening Ed, Chris, any chance you could only post people who sign their posts ? Or even if people only replied to people who sign their posts..

Sorry if its just me but find it annoying not to know who's saying what.

Conor {Ed002's Note - I appreciate the point and we have discussed it. Perhaps we will do that as we get nearer the transfer window.}


Thanks ed, Looking forward to some decent banter with you after Liverpool stuff Chelsea at the bridge!

Conor


Bring back Rafa!


Why's rafa not working at the minute?

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:38:43
in my honest opinion we are just a lethal marksman away from a crackin side the chances that have gone begging over the last lot of games have been ridiculous


What like a sniper?


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:36:07
Problem is we've bought a dud in Carroll, big mistake.
But all Managers make bad signings even Whisky nose down the road. Think of it this way with the same Manager and tactics, same players apart from one.
Swap Carroll for a Rush,Van Nistleroy Fowler or a Drogba
We outplayed the Mancs Norwich,Stoke,Sunderland and Swansea resulting in 4 points which with a real Class goalscorer would of been 15 points.
So I don't think there's a lot wrong, sell Carroll preferably in January, he might do ok somewhere else.
Bring in a Class forward/goalscorer to play alongside Suarez.Bingo!
kidmillions
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I agree


Kid millions i have just posted somthing similar but without the selling of carroll the big man is slowly getting their


I would still keep Carroll and let him develop. He offers something different and what if new CF got injured?

I still think Carroll will still be a top player. Just like Downing, Hendo & Adam he is sh#t scared of making a mistake and not just playing his natural game.

Fensh


I agree, if we had someone a bit more mobile up front with Suarez..we as fans understandably don't know why he was signed but people forget tottenham had a 25 mil bid rejected on deadline day so there must be something.

Also i think that certain players aren't being picked on merit

GuvTob


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:25:18
Hi ed, Irrespective of the possibility & probability of transfer, who would you pick from Luuk de Jong & Marco Reus? Your choice if you were given a chance to make a decision.

For me Marco Reus is far better than De Jong + he is in the mould of Suarez still young 22 on top form scoring goals, pacy, energetic, can go past defenders. For 16-18M would be a great January buy to replace the ageing Kuyt.
Hope LFC shows some interest in the lad, but would be difficult to lure him away from Germany also with Bayern following him closely. May be in summer we might have a chance, Certainly a player I would go for.

pytbull {Ed002's Note - I have no interest in comparing players, particularly involving one the club have no known interest in.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:16:41
terrible few weeks for liverpool as we managed three draws but all the other contenders for the top for managed numerous wins.

Bring back Rafa


I would take anyone but Kenny. My gran has better tactics then him


I don't think Kenny Rogers would take you either mate. Leave him for your gran.

Fensh


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:04:31
Just watching the spurs game and realise theres one major thing we miss, thats luck. How did spurs not concede at the end


We've hit woodwork the 11 times this season!


From some of the shots I have seen maybe we were lucky with those that hit the woodwork?


Quality, that is the difference between liverpool and the top5 sides. they win ugly, we draw well


 

 

06 Nov 2011 18:03:19
Tottenham win 3-1 away match and take no 5 place. 1 match less then Chelsea and they are no 5. we are no 6 lavel point with arsenal. history team spirit 21 years without any EPL. our target player dont want to join us. as we are not in europe.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:58:11
Europa lueage HJK vs. Schalke in august 2011. HJK win 2-0 in home leg. temu pukki score both goal. 2nd leg they lost to schalke 4- 1 temu pukki score again. I have post a link here and in twitter too. watch out this guy. what p player he is score 2 today in his away debu. how much he cost ? The transfer fee is reported to be between 1M and 1.5M. in finland people use to call him messy pukki. read an artical about him in talk sports. you dont need too much money but need to find the right talent. £35m for a risk he may pay back but when? and euro 1.5m paying back.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:49:52
Anyone else think we should start Maxi next match ?
If he plays rubbish its no worse than what Downing has been, and it might give Downing the Kick up the a*** he needs.

Conor


I think Henderson central and Kuyt/Johnson/Maxi to compete for RM slot. Bellamy to compete with Downing for LM slot.


Belamy and Maxi should start. I realy wish we may try a young striker. we need a young gun shine for us that will save our £35m and take us to other lavel.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:38:34
"If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win." - Bill Shankly


Enough said.

McSnuggles


That was Shankley's team in an era of professionalism this is Kenny's team in an era of snoods!


Kenny has no support anymore he will be sacked before dec


Seriously? Seven people disagree with the greatest man to ever manage LFC?

Hmmm... Something seems a bit off ;)

McSnuggles


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:38:13
We've got 2 hungry players. Enrique and Suarez. Kuyt gives his all and Bellamy has a good go when he comes on but to be fair they're having the mick taken out of them. The service Kuyts provided and being last seasons top scorer then dropped consistently for a lad who's first instinct is to go backwards. The reason he goes backwards is because his confidence is shot but how will he gain any there where he isn't comfortable?

Glen Johnson. I don't care what anyone says the lad is not a right back and is not trusted by the lads at the back. Runners from the opposition are covered for him leaving gaps in other areas. There were times when the gap between him and Skrtel was so large Lucas had to defend the space. I can't see why Kelly isn't being allowed to hold down the place. Johnson left the side injured twice and he's done nothing wrong.

Flannigan. One mistake against Sunderland. Condemned. Yet Carragher gives away penalties Adam can't cover the ground Lucas doesn't contribute goals and Downing apart from the odd great cross does nothing apart from switch flanks. its a joke. Now people are looking to January to rectify problems. Even with a few extra players would we look so different because I'm not so sure we know how to use them/ know how to change a game and know how to get the best from what we've got.

Thoughts?


Glen Johnson is a right back and despite form of Smalling, Jones, Walker, Richards and Kelly is still Fabio Capellos No. 1, why? because he is the best right back in the country.


Good thing about jhonson is he up to attack and help the team. kelly is CB materials.


Best right back in the country ? He isn't even the best right back at Liverpool !
He certainly didn't play right back against
Swansea


He should be Right Back in the dressing room.


Kuyt fully deserves to be in the side. What he contributes to the team is very underrated. Johnson is no right back. Against Swansea he was so narrow I can't believe it. Kelly a far better option. Why he wasn't picked we'll never know.

Keith YNWA


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:24:30
I sky plused Blue Moon Rising last week, if you don't know what it is it's a documentary film following 5 City fans in the 2009 season when utd beat them in the carling cup semi and spurs beat them for 4th. Just watched it now and to see the desperation to win a cup and how they talk about daydreaming of playing Barca or Madrid in the champions league, it made me think how lucky we have been over the years with the success we have had and even the fact we qualified every season for the champions league without much bother. I think we have been spoilt to the point were some of our fans have lost sight of supporting the team, and demand an instant return to the very top of english football. I think our view of how to support the team has been blured by our demand to be the best. But to be the best you must beat the best and you can only achieve this with clarity of thought and the unwavering support and backing of the fans. I AM WITH KENNY AND THE LADS 100%, are YOU!!

Waro


I undertake you're comments.
Benitez- although not eye catching football but netherless still successful to some degree.got us regular champions league and no1 European ranking. He made us a name again.he has one poor season and these fans wanted him out.
Hodgson- only half of our fans wanted him on the European cup run he had with fulham. His record wasn't great and his football certainly wasn't eye catching yet these fans know better. He proved out to be diabolical and only then did the fans want rid with the ' I never wanted him' label.
Dalglish - plays attacking football with a pass n move formula. His record is impressive yet because he hasn't been manager for a few years, he's not goodenough. Fans shout his name when were winning and call for wis head when we arnt.
Dalglish is our manager who we should support.


He is a rubbish manager has no tactical knowledge and rafa was and still is twice the manager


I don't think Kk gives the slightest s**t what fans like you think, he's building the team for the future, not for the fairweather fans who change opinion by the minute. If he wanted instant success he'd of bought older players who know how to win. Downing was bought for a few years so he could fill the gap that our youth will occupy in 3-4 years time. He knows what he is doing, and he knows alot more than you. It's annoying how you instantly disgrace someone who clearly deserves so much respect just because he doesn't win every game


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:17:53
We are currently on 1.73 points per game average. An extra point so far would have put us at 1.82 points-per-game - at least 4th place in all of the last 16 seasons.

Have faith guys, remember we have a long way to go yet

Tel 1949


I guess I can see us getting stronger as the season goes. ManUtd will keep battling, Chelsea are battling, RvP will get injured and Gunners will battle again. Spuds look good but they do seem blow a bit hot and cold.

So we will hold thumbs that Suarez does not get injured or we will battle to finish top half.


That just shows how much money kenny has wasted when you say suarez is our only real player


So Arsenals only real world class player is RvP? Spuds is Modric? Utd's is Rooney?Whats your point. All these teams will battle losing their best player.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:11:24
Went to the game yesterday very disappointed we looked narrow no width midfield had no vision square pass backwards pass but not telling cross field,defence splitting passes.Player wise generally disappointed in all even suarez no one stood out for me.Not slagging the tram just generally very disappointed in the overall performance


Kenny needs to take the blame its his own squad now and look how crap we are.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:10:55
I am a little bit over the disappointment of yesterday, and I would like to have someone's opinion on Jordan Henderson. I don't think he is a winger, he certainly doesn't even try to play as one. But, what would be his best position? Personally, I think that for now he should be coming off the bench late in the game to play as an attacking mid. Kuyt should play RM until January or perhaps Kenny could turn Johnson into a poor man's Gareth Bale until we spend cash on a proper winger / RM and perhaps another striker in January. It is clear that we still lack quality and if we want to finish 4th we will need to bring in the right pieces in January.

Canadian Fan


Agree with what u said. Henderson is ideal as a box-box type CM player in a 4-4-1-1 which Kenny likes. He should be back-up for Stevie G and Adam & Lucas alternate for other CM slot imo. Kuyt/Johnson/Maxi for RM until we hopefully buy a winger in Jan.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:08:40
Bill Shankly: "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

S.Mouse


So true!
Quote of the day!

Loyal and true fan's supports no matter what!

Physic red


Saw it on the LFC Facebook! AHHH! Just posted this too, didn't see yours. Hats off, Mouse!

McSnuggles


If we carry on loosing and drawing kenny will be at the job center.


Brilliant quote, all the negativity needs to stop


 

 

06 Nov 2011 17:04:15
Would Villa take £20million for Agbonlahor in January? I think his pace, assists and finishing ability is what we are missing on the left. He could play on the left and Downing on the right, Bellamy Kuyt or Carroll up front with Suarez in behind.


20 million?

EWWWWWW.

McSnuggles


My opinion on him is similar to Downing. Overrated and blows hot and cold, drifts in and out of games. 20m no way.


You must look at the kenny dalglish blog on how to waste money


I would not consider him even if he was for 20p. He is crap. hibsylfc


 

 

06 Nov 2011 16:57:19
KD: "We look forward to the next game, take each one as it comes and eventually add up the points and see where we are"

The man has said it himself - let's judge him and the whole team at the end of the season, so there's no excuse from any of the eds to say it's too early to judge him or need time to gel or this or that...

SingRed


And what if we're outside of the top 4 SingRed ?
The Real KB


SingRed, you need to get over it mate. I was also plenty down yest (3 bottles of red wine...) and started feeling sorry for myself. Its only a game and the lads tried. Kenny is no fool, yes he prob has made a few mistakes, but will rectify them.

Fensh


 

 

06 Nov 2011 16:56:04
Evening Ed I know this may sound like a strange one but how is Quaresma looking these days? He's certainly talented enough but I don't know what his forms like lately. Is he someone you would look at?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - He did not settle in England last time and I can't see him as a viable option really.}


Thanks for that Ed, I hadn't realised that he didn't settle I thought he just fell out of favour.

Chris in Tamworth


Chris, I was in Turkey last year and saw Quaresma make his debut there. Everyone wanted him to do well and kept praising him for every trick he did. The problem with him is that all he does is slow the play down and wait for a 1 on 1 to show off his skills. He always crosses with the outside of his right foot even when he is on the right wing and he never tracks back. If he came to us, he'd be worse that Joe Cole.

Canadian Fan


Thanks for the info Canadian fan, I suppose I'm just clutching at straws a bit. I feel we still desperately need players in 3 positions RW, AM and CF. I'm just trying to come up with some possible realistic targets! I'll keep thinking.

Chris in Tamworth


Any chance of Marco Reus Ed if we tried? I have been punting him for ages, fantastic player on the RW.

Fensh {Ed002's Note - Bayern Munich, Juventus, Manchester City, Arsenal and even his old club Dortmund have shown an interest in Reus, but a move in January seems unlikely. I guess if the club are interested the summer would be the time for a bid to be made.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 16:44:03
Pesonaly I would like to see Bellamy have a go with saurez up top and Henderson playing infront of Lucas
kelly right back and johnson on the wing. Think it would bring some pace in I side.

agree with a earlier post that Maxi should get some playing time as we


I totally agree, but I think Carroll, Bellamy and Suarez should all start.

Reina
Johnson - Skrtel - Agger - Enrique
Bellamy - Henderson - Lucas - Maxi
Carroll - Suarez

I really think Suarez can get the best out of Maxi like he did last season.

RenegadeRed


Actually not a bad team. Think Downing needs a breather, maybe Adam too. Adam can alternate CM with Lucas for some home games where we dont need a DM. I think that if Stevie is out, Hendo must play CM and an Adam/Lucas combo is too slow imo.

Fensh

Fensh


 

 

06 Nov 2011 16:26:39
Hi Eds,
Id like to start by saying the service you provide each day for fans is fantastic. On to my point, i have been attending anfield for 25 years and am now 33, i must admit i believe this is the worst our support has ever been in terms of getting behind the team and complaining at any misplaced pass or error that may occur. I admit that yesterdays performance was well below par and i even think some signings are not goin to deliver in the long term but its getting out of hand at most games. After 5 mins yesterday people by me screaming and getting so angry at things after 5mins! Fans pay good money to go see these games so i say give your best support to the team give everything you have for 90mins, then if the players havent done their part show your frustrations, it doesnt help the atmosphere or fellow fans or the team if after five mins unrest is happening and then throughout the game, plus your wasting your hard earned money. No matter how poor we were even under souness we still created a good atmosphere and had a go as fans. I think we need to get back to basics as supporters and do our bit. At the moment we are being outsung by most teams at anfield its fair too quiet. Just my opinion please let me know what you all think. Many Thanks.

Jimmy Carter Was Pants


I agree with you, been to every game accept 2 this season and except the man u game have been really suprised with how qiete the fans have been. I've supported Liverpool for 25 years and this is my 1st year where I've been able to get tickets on a regular basis. I've been in every stand except the centenary and was in the Kop for the man u game and it was non-stop singing but when in the main stand all you hear is the away support singing "where's your famous atmosphere" and I can only agree that it takes the big games for this to come out. I think against the smaller clubs people just expect to be entertained to a easy 3 points but we need to treat every game like its a big euopean night. If we did we'd be in the top 4 now.
Come on lads lets raise the roof at the next game


 

 

06 Nov 2011 16:01:40
everyone goes on about city taking 3 years to achieve what they have so far,this is liverpool, its taken us 20 years of mis management bad buys and a hat full of monies spent and were still no further forward im afraid on the playing field, you cant tell me todays footballl was anywere near as good as the football played under roy evans and that poor bloke wasnt even regarded as a good manager, we are without doubt 4 good players away from a very competetive squad, i watched the first half yesterday and for the best part we were ripping swansea to bits down the left with enrique and downing, then guess what? kenny moves downing over to the right and hey presto, momentum gone, thats poor in my book, even i as a supporter saw the difference. And as for wait for the team to gel malarky, these players havent just put football boots on theyve been playing at the so called top level for seasons havent they? So the gelling theory dont wash with me im afraid, we have bought slightly better players than we had agreed, but for the monies we have spent then we should have had much better players than those we did buy, you can call me an armchair this and that supporter but ive watched liverpool for 50 years and what i see most weeks is not brilliant, hasnt been for decades now at a consisitant level, sure weve won a few cups here and there but its still poor for this club, id love kenny to do well as most of us would but im afraid to say it, i just dont think hes up to the job bless him, and after yesterdays tactical balls up, i kinda think im in my rights to voice the opinion, you can all moan about it but im just stating facts, scouse red


Good post, but please use paragraphs as it is hard to read.


Don't care if the team gelling doesn't wash with you - it's a FACT.
Yes you could be a good footballer, know all the correct positions to be in depending on where the ball is or the set-peice situation you are facing, but it takes time for you to learn the things your team-mates do. They also have to learn what you can and can't do.
It takes more than 10 games to build the trust and understanding.
If you don't get that then i'm afraid you never will and will always be disappointed when a new player is purchased.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:55:56
Disappointing game this weekend for sure, but we are still unbeaten in 8 games, and if we continue that over next 2 games, (even if they are both ties) then I don't think we can be unhappy. I think it will take a significant improvement however to make a push for top 4. Arsenal are getting stronger every game, and Tottenham are a much stronger team than we are right now.

I am hoping that we sign a dynamic player in the january window, preferably a right winger. Doesn't need to be one of the hottest prospects in Europe (ie. Hazard, Lavezzi, etc. ) as these will clearly cost a fortune. And if I were in charge, I would bring Aquilani back, atleast until Gerrard is FULLY fit. It would cost money to prematurely terminate his loan deal, but he can add a new dimension to the midfield. If he wants to go in the summer, so be it.

Downing is clearly not playing like a 20 million dollar player, and that is because he never was one. Not insulting him, just pointing out that we purchased him following his best season ever in the PL. He wasn't that great two or three years ago, so I think he is simply back to his usual form and last year was an aberration.

On the good side, Enrique looks like a steal. C. Adam is playing like he did last year, but just isn't taking all the dead balls like he did for Blackpool, and truthfully, his passing was more useful with players who have pace. We have none. Even Suarez, with all his brillance, is not particularly quick. I really wish Kenny would give Sterling a run out. His pace would compliment Suarez's skills. I don't want to comment on Carroll as I am still not sure what to make of that project.

If we beat Chelsea next game (and I think we have a good chance at doing so) then everyone on here will be claiming we are title contenders (which we definately are not). Lets support Kenny and the team. If he hasn't met the goals come January, J. Henry will make his own decision as to what will happen next.

Coop


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:52:36
Hi ed i think we badly need a silva sort of player do you know if we have any interest in any players in january and any that are playmakers {Ed002's Note - You have to read the posts.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:41:01
ed001 / ed002 , do you think young adam morgan could start to be used in games ,as this would give us more opitions up front , i think kk should use him even off the bench , sometimes a unknown can supprise the other teams and he is a natural goalscorer ,.............lfc {Ed002's Note - He may get a cameo or two and I expect he will have the opportunity of a loan next season when he is old enough.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:38:15
Hey all, this is going to sound extremely, extremely stupid, but should we consider putting Maxi back into the first team? He scored 2 hat-tricks in 3 matches last season all due to good finishing, I know it sounds totally absurd, but should we consider it? I mean, our finishing is terrible at the moment. I'm fully confident Carroll and Suarez will start knocking them in, but I think Maxi should be used for a match or two to prove himself.

RenegadeRed


Do not play Maxi! He's just this side of useless. Way, way too lightweight for the Premier League.


Before those two hat-tricks whichere alot of goals were rebounds he wasn't exactly prolific -McMenemy


I'm not saying he's prolific, I'm just saying he can put the ball at the back of the net when given the opportunity. Worth a try IMO.

RenegadeRed


I would use him & Kuyt competing for RM spot, Hendo must play CM if Stevie is out as Adam & Lucas together in CM is too slow. But I think Kenny has already made his mind up about Maxi.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:33:09
Poor performance...could have won BUT also could have lost at home to Swansea...we need more movement in and around the box...very good from the left hand side but couldnt finish the final ball. At this rate i doubt if we can finish fourth. We need significant improvement. We have got some tough games coming up.. that should show what our team is made of.


Thing is with us, and it's always been like this, is that the small teams are somewhat of a banana skin for us, but we perform against the big sides.

Although there are some positives there, unless we are ruthless (like Manchester City for example yesterday vs. QPR) against the smaller sides, we will not be in a position to title challenge and will be scrapping it out with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal for 4th place.

maka
YNWA JFT96


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:08:09
Eds we are lacking in goals do you know if we are linked with any natural goal scorers ? If so who ? And how much would do u think ? One last thing do you think we have any chance of signing tevez?


LFCHero :)! {Ed002's Note - Please read the other posts.


Why would you wanna ruin a good team spirit in the dressing room with an overpaid plonker like Tevez?


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:06:04
Lots of talk of bad buys during the summer and Carroll last January. I disagree it is the start of buiding a squad (that is much better than the last two years) and I do not expect this to be the end of the re-structuring. Where I believe the next stage of development should be in three areas.

1) More options up front - preferably some pace

2) Out wide - we still dont play with width against teams we are expected to beat and get dragged into a midfield slug fest

3) Attacking midfield - at moment our creativity is solely dependent on Suarez. If the club is going to buy people based on stats maybe looking at people who create from open play and not dead ball situations ala Adam, Henderson and Downing (even though I am glad we have bought them)


 

 

06 Nov 2011 15:00:25
As a Liverpool fan for more than 35 years, I have enjoyed the 70's and 80's glory years, and the two decades that followed. Watched with frustration as Man U grew and developed, bagging premiership title after premiership title, while LFC plodded on through the 90's and 00's. All the time remaining positive that things would one day change, and we would once again secure the title.
With the arrival of KK in jan, my optimism has increased tenfold, because in KK we have a manager who believes in the club, the fans, the history, and his heart is Liverpool Red.
I would urge all fans to remain positive, not be upset by small things, step back and gain perspective, and see the progress that has been achieved.
Yes, there will be frustrations along the way.
But LFC is more than a club, its a way of life.
Believe to achieve.
Regards Shankly's Red Army.


Spot on, my friend...

Matt S - YNWA


Thanks Matt S.
Regards Shankly's Red Army.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 14:25:46
A few posters have mentioned that Anfield is quieter recently. Can any of the eds verify this?
Also, if someone doesn't feel like contributing to the atmosphere any more, give me your ticket and I will! Anyone who gets a ticket for anfield nowadays is privileged, so use your vocal chords!
Ultra red


 

 

06 Nov 2011 14:22:33
If Rafa was in charge for yesterday's game it would have been -

It is too early to be frustrated by a lack of goals and a performance like that. (Actual Quote!)

If Mr 'Why say One Word when 10 will do' Hodgson was in charge
From what I saw I thought we dominated the first half totally. I thought the shape of the team was good today; the quality of our passing and movement was good. We didn't score goals but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and it was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.

Mr Dalglish...
"I think the performance was disappointing. Swansea played the way we would have expected they would play but we didn't play the way we expected to play.

"Anything that we were good at we certainly didn't do too much of today."

And the prize goes to...


The winner is Kenny. He needs to put players in their best position. If that means a few of the new guys are dropped for Maxi or Belllamy, then so be it.
aklfc {Ed001's Note - Bellamy's best position is off the main striker, so the only guy that could be dropped, following your logic, for Bellamy is Suarez. You might want to rethink that.}


Unless Suarez was main striker, Ed!

Keith {Ed001's Note - he said players need to play in their best position, so Suarez would not be the main striker!}


So if Carroll & Downing is not doing the business for us, then put Kuyt upfront supported by Bellars and Suarez then! but I doubt KD have the balls to do that

SingRed


Ed, didn't Suarez play mostly centrally or on the left of a front 3 at Ajax? And for Uruguay he plays up top with Forlan a little deeper? {Ed001's Note - but he is always dropping deeper, it is clear that his best position is behind a striker.}


I'm KK's biggest supporter but there are certain things that worry even me. Downing is a bit of a luxury player who drifts in & out far too much. He could be carried in a midfield of "lets say Alonso ,Gerrard & Mascharno", but not Lucas,Adam & Henderson and he is not improving by the game, the exact opposite actually. Carroll badly needs coaching. He's not a natural striker, his positional sence is terrible & not getting any better either. And when it's obviously not working KK needs to change it, and change it early, not when the game is nearly over. Kuyt must start all games when fit, we need the points now & Henderson is not good enough in that position. On a brighter note there was only one game this year when we were totally outplayed & that was Spurs (compare midfields & it's obvious why). We need to learn to win ugly & when not playing well. How many times over the years have the Manc's done that - we need to learn that skill. I'm sure KK knows it not fully right, let's just hope that pride doesn't stop him from doing what's necessary to rectify it (a la Rafa)
Josek


Kenny will put the club first, Rafa put himself first. Big difference.


Rafa won things. only difference. talent spotting


Kenny has won the league with 2 clubs, Rafa hasn't. U won't win this one mate.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 14:16:08
Results this season compared to last
Liverpool goals shown first.
game 10/11 11/12
Sunderland (h) - 2-2 1-1..
Arsenal (a) - 1-1 2-0..
Bolton (h) - 2-1 3-1..
Stoke (a) - 0-2 0-1..
Tottenham (a) - 1-2 0-4..
Wolves (h) - 0-1 2-1..
Everton (a) - 0-2 2-0..
Man United (h) - 3-1 1-1..
N'wich (WBA) (h) - 1-0 1-1
WBA (a) - 1-2 2-0
Swans (bpool)(h) - 1-2 0-0

Points.. 11 19
Now take this as comparison and you can see how much we have improved, now stand up and support our team.
(pls post ed took me a while haha)

KT!


That looked better when i was posting it hahha.
It basically shows that the corresponding fixtures from last year we would be on 11 points, whereas this yeear we've taken 19.

KT


Yes but look at how much money has been spent? We are still no where near been a top 4 team


It took City 3 years to get to where they are with an unlimited pot. We haven't got that but what i thought are fans had was patience and belief, i guess i was wrong though!
8 points is a HUGE difference!

KT!


Yes but if you compare the first 11 games of last season to this season we are only 4 points better after a massive cash injection


 

 

06 Nov 2011 14:13:45
i just want to say am sorry for my rants yesterday. i think am the most fickle fan in here. our manager is doing a great job and the team is gelling well. we need to give them time to settle and turn things around. we have a great squad waiting to fulfil its potential. let get behind the manager and the team. we are liverpool, we swim and sink with the team.................YNWA.


Nigerian fan(tooblac) {Ed002's Note -


 

 

06 Nov 2011 13:57:14
hey eds seen a rumour today reguarding glen johnson to real madrid any truth in it.
an if so would you sell him.
if it was me id sell an put the money towards a striker to finish of all these chances being created. or maybe try an get a player in exchange very rare i know but worth a look i thing any veiws on that.

belfast red adam {Ed002's Note - I suspect it is an old story being recycled.}


Johnson, Real Madrid? Where did you see that, The Beano?


 

 

06 Nov 2011 13:48:52
Lets be 100%honest the club hascome a fair way since last year. But that was not so hard given were we were last year the trick was could we push on this year.no we have spent 100m on aecond class british tosh which lets be honest no one else wud have paid the amounts we laid out and to see wat we could and should have bought doing so well..only kk to blame...missed an opp for a new young manager like lambert


 

 

06 Nov 2011 13:27:07
11 games in, unbeaten in 8, playing relatively well albeit not putting chances away...

yet 'fans' calling for kenny to be sacked....unbelievable. did you 'fans' forget where the club was only 12-18 months ago? does anyone agree that we maybe going through a lean patch, where have clearcut chances, but not putting them away? teams like norwich and swansea put their stalls up to nick an away point, as frustrating as it is, we can't finish our chances on goal. we played poorly yesterday no doubt, but most games this season we have played well.

yes, we are a club still trying to re-build for the umpteenth time, but we will get there.

as for 'fans' moaning about spending 100 million, yes we spent big, especially in the summer, but tell me what world class players would have signed for us if we had no cl football? how much has our NET spend been since kenny arrived?

we also got rid of most of the deadwood saving us £30 million a year in wages alone. the players we bought were to help us achieve 4th, then once we've achieved that, we will bring in some top class players, no doubt about that, and push on higher.

get behind the team and kenny, or don't support us, simple as that.

the general

jft96


Great post and I for one am reasonably happy with how things are going, although I would have liked to see more goals scored, but time and support, is all the team need right now! At least we aren't in the bottom three, like we were not that long ago and Rome wasn't built in a day!

Keith


It would have been hard not to improve on last season we were terrible. If any other manager had spent the money KK has spent he would have been sacked. We are no where near and have massively overpaid for average English players


I have to agree that the money spent on british players has frustrated me.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 13:08:24
To all Eds:Whilst not a regular poster, but frequent visitor to the site, I cannot understand the level of criticism being levelled at you people.Whilst i do post i do appreciate the educated/reslistic/level headed level of response I have had and im sure most regular poster/visitors would aagree. So to all knockers lay off and if they dont like the content or replies (espacially those who dont get posted) then go elsewhere (there are several less proffesional sites) where they will fit in".Ed002 how do you cope with it" guess yer nsense of humour keeps you sane?
Jim22 {Ed002's Note - The vegetables periodically get restless if teh club fail to live up to expectations.}


Eds if i was you id be aware that people can be offended by the word vegatable! {Ed002's Note - Ed002 Out at Facebook if you want to sign up.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 13:12:28
Only one team can win the league each season.
Of the 6-8 teams fighting for the top four places, each set of fans think it's their right to be winning it, but it doesn't work that way.
It's not all about how much money you spend, as you have to put together a team that is greater than the sum of each part.
You also can't go from finishing 6th - 8th to winning the league in one or even two seasons.
It takes time to gradually build the team and improve the team/squad with each purchase.
As you improve, the calibre of the player you can go for also improves.
Chelsea first came in and upset the balance by trying to buy their way to the title. Mourinho made that possible as he was able to assemble a team and not just a collection of massively priced individuals.
Now City are doing it, but if you look at the last few seasons (since Sven was there), they have spent a hell of a lot of money trying to get it right.
You can see how the claibre of the player they were buying and now are buying has improved each year.
Yes they have unlimited amounts of money and are paying obscene wages, but 2 seasons ago they wouldn't have been able to buy the best players in the world. They could buy some good ones and some who were supposed to be the best (but were maybe slightly past it or really only interested in money).
I'm sick of the way a lot of supporters act these days, i don't know if it's media driven or the fact that instant success is needed or people switch off (think of the lottery, big brother, WAG culture).
It might turn out that KK isn't the manager to win us the league, but FFS support him and every player while they are there.
Anfield is too quiet theses days (has been for a long time) and you can sense players not wanting to make mistakes rather than play the way the comes naturally or feels right to them.
They get slagged of on forums, in the media and on phone-in's. The crowd goes quiet too and that makes things worse.
Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but have a balanced and well thought view of everything and discuss topics in the right way.
Get behind the team.
Make noise for every minute of every game.
Get off their backs and you might even see the results/performances improve.
How many times can you honestly say these days that you come away from a football match with a sore throat or even having lost your voice from shout and cheering so much???


Great post - it's the fickleness of fans expecting too much.


Might be a bit random but not since rafa has it been very loud, come to think of it, when was the last time we did ring of fire lol


There's a difference between blindly supporting and supporting but questioning certain things. Kenny has made alot of mistakes, not just in his transfers. His substitutions seem way off the mark sometimes and fans are right to wonder why. No one is calling for the sack...


One of the posters above seems to be confusing fickleness with realism and constructive critisism. Or was he talking about the die hards with their heads buried in the sand?


 

 

06 Nov 2011 13:10:51
Like many of you I'm concerned and disappointed with the home form and some areas of our team. Seems like yesterday in 2009 we had a fantastic team and a combination of Rafa and the previous owners plus player power wrecked the great team he had built and nearly won the league and was in the Champions league every year.

Let's not lose sight that we are only 11 games into the season and the team is bedding in still. I am disappointed with Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson and I think they are mistakes in hindsight. But every manager makes mistakes when buying players. What hasn't been addressed still is the lack of pace generally in the team as well as a quality finisher. It wasn't our fault a certain Spanish turncoat left but it's just as well given his lack of goalscoring form at his new team. For me we need just four players. One - a good defensive midfielder like Moussa Sissoko, two - a quality right winger with skill, pace and trickery and ability to beat a man - Adam Johnson, Eden Hazard, Arron Lennon, three - a world class Centre Back that is commanding that can replace Carragher - Thomas Vermalen esque and four (to pick up on what almost everyone is saying) a poacher, a finisher, someone who can turn one point into three. Someone in the Ian Rush, Owen, Fowler mould - someone like Javier Hernandez.

So for me we are four players away from being a solid top 4 team, we are in the 5-7 place zone still as the other teams have improved. I think £50-60m in further spending is all that's needed to solve our problems. It's not THAT much when considered what the revenues of Champions League football can bring in.

So we have had a steady start, a bit disappointing in some respects but not catastrophic like last year. Things do need to start picking up now though and two tough games coming up could define how we are going to do this season. Fingers crossed.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:56:07
HULK SMASH !
Old KB was starting to green last night, neck veins popping, biceps expanding...a couple of minutes more on this page and I would have made the complete transition in to the green man.
Lets review :
Sunderland - played well for 45, dropped off after.
Arsenal - played well, good late subs.
Exeter - played well, banana skin avoided.
Bolton - played well. No probs.
Stoke C - actually dominated, couldn't finish
Spurs - got mullered, 2 x sent off
Brighton - played well, job done,
Wolves - played OK, but nervy, got there
Everton - Rodwell, but played well
Man Utd - played well, finishing cost us again
Norwich - both teams played well, again finishing
Stoke - played well, v good win
WBA - played well, dominated
Swansea - poor performance, could have snatched it

Now, excuse me but I've got 2 x poor 90 performances there. By complete consensus our squad has been transformed, the players are happy.
Yes, we have not finished our chances off.
Yes, centre midfield is a bit of a conundrum, hit and miss but lacking Stevie as an option.
Yes, RW is another possible area to look at in Jan. In my mind, Henderson's filling in there. I agree CM or behind the striker.
But come on, are things as bad as all that ?
The supporters have massive expectations, cos its Kenny, and cos they see some good things out there. But just stay with them, let them work it out. Kenny & Steve Clarke are the ones for that.
God's sake.
The vein in my forearm is starting to twitch. I'd better go before it happens again.
The Real KB


Good post The Real KB - I was going to post something similar tomorrow once all the anonymous posters on here slagging of everything from the players to the management are back at school. No doubt the owners will be getting it soon too.

JRG


Kenny just needs to look at his players and their best position. Then like a jigsaw puzzle fit them together. These 11 players should practice against 11 other LFC players and build up an understanding. If that means dropping a new guy, then so be it. Give Maxi and Bellamy a chance as poachers/strikers.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:54:34
can';t even beat Swansea or Norwich

4th place... nah

more like 4.... teenth {Ed009's Note - The wit involved with that one...}


Did you mean twit Ed?

dmedly {Ed009's Note - That is more like it.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:52:51
well i hate to say it but id bring back rafa and let him have another crack with the support of the owners, was never a die hard rafa fan and was overjoyed at kenny coming back but i think hes past his sell by date tactically, legend maybe but not the right man to bring the title back to anfield, sure rafa was a ego maniac, idiotic at times, played defensive football against very average teams and drew lots and lost a few, maybe if he had the monies he wouldnt have had to sell the gooduns and replace us with average players, but i know if he had access to the 100 mill regardless of who we sold, we would have signed a few class players and the odd average ones, but all i can see is weve got 1 class player and lots of average ones, sure weve got a better squad than last year but that was a joke squad to be fair, so maybe just maybe rafa wasnt all that bad with his financial restraints, silva, aguero silva may have all been at anfield now under him plus a few others, hindsight is a wonderful thing but i truly believe kenny isnt the man long term, hes done a grand job after the muppet hodgson, but he really has to look at himself in the mirror for me and question his footy nouse at this top level. rant over scouse red


He's got a 3 year contract mate. Has the man not earned your respect enough to allow him that ?
Or is 3 weeks long term in todays game..seems like it.
The Real KB


If Kenny needs to kick a p s e s, then do it. A sign of a good manager is how he reacts to a problem.
aklfc


Although we not playing well, I can see that the players are trying and are just as disappointed as us when we lose. Under Rafa we had to many who just were there to collect a paycheck. Kenny is sorting that and even if we got relegated I would at least be happier that we have players who play for the jersey. Rafa did quick fixes and Kenny is building something that won't collapse in a year like Rafa's did.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:26:47
The midfield is too congested with solid/semi creative but holding players. We desperately need a creative spark there, someone to play in the hole. For all our summer spends we don't have a replacement for Mireles. Tevez anyone?


Prob is then we can't play 4-4-2 with a fairy like Meireles in a cm two. I think we need to be playing 4-3-3 as Adam and Lucas are too slow as well.


We've got the creative spark in Luis. A natural finishers whats needed to put the hundreds of chances away!

Stu.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:24:30
After yesterdays performance,what we are lacking is a leader in midfield ( yes Stevie G is the one but he won't be around forever). The issue I have is everyone in the midfield is waiting for someone else to provide the inspiration and it is being left to Suarez to go to the flanks or drop deeper to do this. Adam at times has been influential and when our leader returns it will improve but as I say the chances are Stevie will get injured again.The likes of Hendo or Downing need to put their stamp on the game.This is not a moan but the likes of Bellamy is not sacred of imposing himself so let's give him a run. Also, Johnson needs to get forward more, Enrique and him could cause havock to the opposition if allowed to.It seems to me the team is lacking confidence and relying on someone to take the game to the opposition.

We need a team of leaders not one or two in the team.This is not a moan but an observation !

REDBOY


REDBOY,
I don't think we're lacking leaders mate. We've got the two Scouse lads, if and when played. Agger is Danish captain at times. Henderson is ex-Sunderand captain, Adam likewise at Blackburn, Suarez by his play alone, Pepe, Enrique.
I think the crowds nervousness at home plays a part. It's like we need to be two goals clear before the lads relax.
The Real KB


Adam played for Blackpool hendo is u21 captain and suarez was Ajax captain


What I am trying to say here is that these players may be captains in name but they are not captains on the pitch at present and all too often some players want others to take responsibility ( Hendo as even admitted it he is playing the safe ball - by the way I am not a Jordan hater - I think he will come good - as others have said there is lack of confidence at Anfield and maybe the crowd are too quiet ?

REDBOY


Perhaps Kenny just needs to find a way to take the shackles off and tell the players to enjoy and express themselves and not be so afraid to try things for fear or ridicule.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:22:04
will kenny walk again,who will take the red hot seat.
the specail one JM.or mr Oneil


Kenny is not going anywhere mate. He is no fool and perhaps has made some mistakes. He is not stubborn like Rafa, he will sort it out.

Fensh


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:17:25
Look at Man Utd, how long did it take for Fergie to get it right. Be patient ! Dalglish is the answer to our problems but it will take time, at the beginning of the season there was too much talk about us getting champions league football even WINNING the Premier League ! Lets be realistic we are not going to be champions for a few years and we have an outside chance of finishing 4th. In the mean time we can build on what we have and that is a good foundation for a great team. The one thing we are missing is a goal poacher, Suarez is the creator and will score 15+ goals Carroll is the man to the hold the ball up and get some headed goals 10+ but we need the 20+ goalscorer not sure who is around but I guarantee we get that man and we are different team.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:13:25
So, we are undefeated in 8. However, we have dropped ANOTHER 2 points against newly promoted side! No disrespect to Norwich or Swansea (who both played their part in games against us) but we have hit the bar/post 11 TIMES already this season and I'm sure 5 or 6 of those times was against those 2 teams alone! I'm looking at our recent signing and thinking what's going on?! Don't get me wrong...Downing, Adam, Enrique and Bellamy have all been great in my opinion. As for Carroll and Henderson.....well all I can say is the word disapointment doesn't even come close to covering it! £55 for those 2?! Give me a break. I for one was fully against people jumping on either of these 2 players backs when that was happening due to their price tags etc......but now my goodness...what did we buy?? Andy has been given chances and he jus can't take them. Ones of his specialites is headers and he can't even do that let alone convert a chance from 6 yards like yesterday! If possible, I think we should just take a hit and try and sell him back to Newcastle (or whoever) for a cut price.....let's be honest here...he is not bringing anything to the team! And Henderson! Oh boy! I was against him joining from the start! He constantly looks like he has stage fright! And he could have maybe servered a purpose but taking 1 of his 2 chances to score against Man United but no he couldn't take them. Again, what does he bring to the team? Everytime he replaced by say Kuyt or Bellamy you see an instant postive difference compared to when he was on the pitch! I would say we need to get rid also but I doubt anyone would want him to be honest. What is everyone elses opinion on this? Eds also?

West London Red


I Dont like seeing Arsenal breathing down our neck, top 4 starting to look a bit dodgy


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:09:33
I was reading on this forum earlier, and I saw someone post a negative comment about our famous club. An opinion which the person was entitled to and which was valid. The response was to have patience.

The thing with liverpool is, we are always turning a corner. We are always rebuilding. We are always required to have patience.

I don't think that we should any longer, some fans (myself included) have literally been waiting our entire lives for a league title. Maybe its just me but my entire lifespan seems like quite a bit of patience to me. In addition to this ridiculous length of time we have been waiting for this, we have spent heavily last summer. I f we can't win against sunderland, swansea, norwich when we spend huge sums of money then something is wrong.

I know that some will point the finger at me and say money does not buy success. You're right it doesn't, but if money isn't the issue (which it is not now) then what is? The blame can only lay at the manager and players' door. So the next time you tell someone to have patience think about how long they have actually been waiting for league success, then try and tell them to have patience.

Rewflo
28 years and counting


28 ?
Or is that your age ?
The Real KB


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:05:45
Hi eds do you agree Henderson has not got the game intelligence to be starting in a Liverpool team at the moment. Adam hasn't got the pace and Downing just isn't good enough for a top 8 team. Signings make or break a manager and Kenny has 3 flops worth a lot of money starting each week when better players are on the bench or have been transferred. Problem is he's blown the owners money and this is the worst Liverpool team through the centre I have seen since the mid 90's. Dalgish wont start as manager of Liverpool next season.


U forgot to mention carrol mate. He is just as bad.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:59:19
To an Ed, a Referee, or any poster out there in the know.

Is obstruction in the box an indirect free kick or is it a penalty (I know it used to be an indirect freekick). Personally, I thought the rules had been changed, and any foul in the box was now a penalty. I've checked the FA rule book, but from what is written it could be either as it is wide open to interpretation.

Cheers

Tommy Walsh


What is a penalty?

It's the result of any foul which would normally lead to a direct free-kick that is committed by a team inside their own penalty area.

The player gets a shot at goal from 12 yards out.

jim22


So when is a free-kick direct or indirect?

Here are 10 offences that can lead to a direct free-kick.

When a player:


Kicks or attempts to kick an opponent

Trips or attempts to trip an opponent

Jumps at an opponent

Charges an opponent

Strikes or attempts to strike an opponent

Pushes an opponent

Makes contact with the opponent before touching the ball when tackling

Holds an opponent

Spits at an opponent

Handles the ball deliberately
If any of these offences are committed by a player inside their own penalty area then it's a penalty.

jim22


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:13:46
hi eds do you think the owners will be looking to replace kenny if were not already in or close to being in the top 4 by january? {Ed002's Note - Let's hope the owners are not as fickle as the fans.}


Kenny will be given two full seasons to get into the top four. I cannot see him getting longer than that, but he will certainly get at least two full seasons I am sure. People do have to understand that it's going to be very difficult to achieve a top four spot with a very good Spurs and a resurgent Arsenal team fighting for the position. I cannot see Newcastle finishing above Liverpool, but I cannot see you finishing above Spurs & Arsenal, not unless RVP & Szczesny gets a long-term injury or Spurs lose Bale, Modric, VDV & Adebayor in one go.

Sydney!


Syd, will Fergie last for this season and next with ManUtd not winning anything? {Ed002's Note - I suspect that Dalglish will be given to the end of the season to get in to the top four and then there will be a serious discussion about the future if they do not achieve the expected Champions League place. It will be interesting to see if SAF's successor makes himself available after the Euros or waits until after the world cup in 2014.}


Ed002, who you reckon his successor will be? I hope its Mourinho, cause he won't win anything with them unless he can spend billions. {Ed002's Note - Laurent Blanc.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:12:48
I'm not moaning, just my observations; for what they're worth, ha ha ha.
I'd like to see a top class centre half in our back 4 and I think we would be sound.
Adam and Lucas in the middle is not for me; a definite lack of legs and we look exposed at times and too open. Play Henderson or Stevie there, when fit. Even Stevie playing in the hole would help if Lucas and Adam play.
Downing is out of form but give him a break. He's a decent player and was one of the best transfer targets we could have gone for. Would we have got a really world class winger? I doubt it.
We do need someone wide right, when we need to break teams down. But I'm sure this is being looked at, so there's no need to panic.
I'm happy with Suarez up front and Bellamy can do a job; I think he should play there more and not out wide.
I'm not convinced about Carroll. I really hope he comes good but his lack of mobility worries me. You can get away with that if you've got a great touch and a lot of skill but he hasn't. People keep saying he's one for the future but he's 23 in a couple of months; that's not that young. And I can't see how he's going to improve; you don't develop what he needs at that age; you've either got them or you've not.
Or are we waiting for him to fill out? Ha ha.
Anyway, I still think we're much better prepared than last season and hope we'll kick on when a few adjustments are made and confidence picks up.

Ps. I'm not commenting on the manager, apart from to say, get off his back. Remember Wenger, recently.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:28:46
We need more FIREPOWER....come january,i hope we put a bid in for mario gomez....please please please kenny...he'd bang the goals in....


No european football youre in cuckoo land


We need to score the goals to have european football,signed,Mr cuckoo,who has just robbed your nest.....


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:07:02
Have patience Reds Fans. When Citeh had the beginning of a new dawn 3 years ago, it didn't happen overnight. 10th, 5th, 3rd and now top. Not saying it will happen to us but it does take time to rebuild properly. Have a bit more faith. YNWA.


That is what half a billion net spent on players can help you achieve within three years, you do not have £500m to spend on players over the next two years just like the rest of us.

Sydney!


 

 

06 Nov 2011 10:56:09
I thought the game against Swansea was a real cracker. Yes we did not take the 3 points, but Swansea were resolute and determined, with some good movement out wide. It just shows that no game or result can be taken for granted, and what is achieved has to be earned. Progress can only be measured over time, not game by game. I am proud of the progress made thus far, it shows we are improving and this is the most important thing. Shankly's Red Army.


You're right mate, I thought Swansea's two wide midfield players were really good. Both very pacey and tracked back well, to double up on our lads.
Then, Suarez had a quiet one, which we'll give him. Cos he's been A1 all season otherwise.
The Real KB


How I wish we had pace and skill from both flanks ;-(


 

 

06 Nov 2011 10:54:40
Every week we hear the same old story. we have to improve, we were unlucky. The fact is that every week we stay behind we loose points. I think is got a lot to do with traning. I dont think Clarke is doing a good job with them. Every time I watch the training on LFC Tv they are all smiling and make jokes. I dont see any sweat coming out of their skin.

Alex21


 

 

06 Nov 2011 12:01:31
My 11;

Carroll Suarez
Downing Adam Gerrard Kuyt
Enrique Agger Carragher Johnson
Reina

Subs: Doni Coates Kelly Lucas Henderson Maxi Bellamy


Carroll Suarez
Downing Hendo Gerrard Johnson
Enrique Agger Skrtel Kelly
Reina

Adam for Stevie if injured.

Fensh


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:56:50
I have to say, hats off to Newcastle. Selling Andy Carroll is working out to be the best bit of business in a very long time. With this 35million they have brought in some decent players, eg Cabaye, Santon, Marveaux, Ba etc.

Just goes to show, you do not need to spend excessive amounts of money to build a great footballing team. Tottenham are another example with Parker (8mill is a bargain btw).

Kinda annoyed that we succumbed to the pressure of spending excessive amounts on players who, apparently are still waiting to "gel".

Benitez identified some great talent and would have taken us to the title had the owners not been such idiots.

Also, I know we have created chances, and that's great, but its the defence that i'm worried about. Norwich and Swansea could just as easily have beaten us at Anfield.

I am a die hard liverpool fan, but just can't help being worried at the moment.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:48:44
Reina
Kelly - Coates - Vertonghen - Enrique
Martinez - Lucas
Canales
De Jong - Carroll - Suarez


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:39:44
Personally i can see one of two things happening in January.

Either kenny will leave or get sacked and new manager will spend.

Or we will keep the same players and kenny will stay.

From a business perspective to give a failing manager even more money in a mid season transfer window would be stupid, even more so when you consider that the signing which are doing so badly are the ones kenny insisted we sign.

Don't expect any spending in January unless kenny goes.

When we do eventually sign someone expect them to be mid table quality English players as we will absolutely not attract any European players. We are an unattractive sell right now

the economist


The economist ?
Whose economy are you running - Greece ?
Lol.
The Real KB


Are the Greeks still planning on selling the Acropolis to the Chinese? Lol


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:39:24
What makes me laugh is that some people only post on here after a dodgy result to slag the team off. When we win they are never to be seen. Personally i dont get it.

Mighty reds


Bill Shankly : "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

KOPBOB


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:27:50
to be honest,i really dont know what happen to liverpool.1season they almost win the league,but then after that they didn't even in the top 4.if u want to say it is because they sold their star player,in that time,they only lost 1 player(alonso).arsenal lose their star almost every year n they never replace them with a player higher than 15M.
liverpool also have a money to buy player but they still can't find a right player.imagine if wenger or ferguson got 100M in 1transfer season (no matter whether from players sale or their board give it to them,100m is still 100m),i think they can build a team that can challange barcelona(although in wenger cases,i think he will buy 5 young player worth 20m n save the other 80m for the future).
so,what is liverpool's real problem?manager?they use the same manager when they won UCL,almost win the league n got 6th place.with almost identical player(bar alonso) in the last 2 occasion.
any opinion?

SinCaraMask


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:23:01
I'm writing as an angry liverpool fan.

Yes I'm frustrated by liverpool being held by swansea at home, of course I am. But what frustrates me even more is some of you so called fans having a go at the Eds. How dare you people be so disrespectful to people who work so hard for us, to get us information, to sort through our posts and generously answer our queries, regardless of how moronic some may be.

Yes I'm tired of dropping points, and yes I'm tired of being disappointed, but football as a sport needs suprises, and needs shock results, because it makes the premier league the best league in the world.

Kk in my opinion may need to have a rethink of his tactics as sometimes they are bizarre and questionable, however, he will learn from the mistakes, and will bounce back and all of a sudden you fans will love him.

I also want to say what a good performance Carroll had apart from the sitter.

Thank you for all the work you do here Eds, and a lot of us really appreciate the work you do here, so pay no attention to those know-nothings!

Thanks all,

Hooch.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 11:19:15
I'm writing as an angry liverpool fan.

Yes I'm frustrated by liverpool being held by swansea at home, of course I am. But what frustrates me even more is some of you so called fans having a go at the Eds. How dare you people be so disrespectful to people who work so hard for us, to get us information, to sort through our posts and generously answer our queries, regardless of how moronic some may be.

Yes I'm tired of dropping points, and yes I'm tired of being disappointed, but football as a sport needs suprises, and needs shock results, because it makes the premier league the best league in the world.

Kk in my opinion may need to have a rethink of his tactics as sometimes they a


 

 

06 Nov 2011 10:43:25
I can't believe some people surely we support our club through good and bad times because looking at the league table its not the bad we are still only 3 points behind Chelsea and I think 5 behind Utd. There is 1 worrying thing though looking at goals scored we have only scored 1 more than Bolton so that's scary. Another thing I would like to see is the young lad morgon on the bench and put him on with 5 or 10 mins to go and see what happens you never know he might take 1 of the chances and it might be the kick up the arse Carroll needs

Mat.lfc


Play Bellamy with Suarez, at least they 'll close defenders down, and bring Carroll on from the bench. Move Johnson up to RW, and Kelly RB. Gerrard or Henderson beside Adam. I agree about blooding some of the youngsters, the worst they can do is miss or hit the post!
Red&Bred


We are also level with spurs and they onle played 9 games


 

 

06 Nov 2011 10:42:30
This is the first time that I heard kenny saying he was unhappy with the performance. It is a bit late but better late than ever. It would be very effective if our manager sits a few players on the bench and bring in players from our academy in the game. At least if we loose or draw we have an excuse that they are learners. Every time I watch these kits playing I feel proud of LFC. When I watch the first team I feel that I should never be an LFC fan. how can players like downing, Adam, carol etc, players that cost the club millions of pounds give performances like yesterday's. A player advances with the ball, instead of the other 9 run forward and create space and support they stay still watching him. our players do not move around enouph to open the game and make space for the ball to be passed so we can brake defences. The other big problem is that when we do break the defence and we are in the box the ball either hits one of the three bars or goes out wide. Excuse me but this is FOOTBALL not CRICKET. Find someone who can put the ball within the bars.


KD can start by dropping a couple of players who are clearly offering nothing and start with players like Bellamy, who has strong desire to win and eye for goal

SingRed


 

 

06 Nov 2011 10:40:23
Wat is up with every1!
yea we were not at the races yesterday but still deserved the win, as we did in the lads few home games. We are creating chances. It will come together soon. Be patient.
Gaz b


We didnt deserve anything. you cant play for the last 10 mins of a game. look at the stats and you would wonder who was the home side. possession is 9/10ths of the law. kev


Probably in May 2012


Yes it will come together - by May 20_ _ (fill in your own number)

SingRed


 

 

06 Nov 2011 10:26:13
Bill Shankly : "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

Stu.


Im not going to walk blindly into mid table like everton without saying something about it. anybody that blindly walks on is not a fan. they are fools.


A fan supports their team through thick and thin. A fan does not whinge every time there is a hiccup. A fan shows respect and admires the good things about our team. The law of averages state that you can still lose and draw, and still win things. Look at the bigger picture, stop spending your life whingeing about this or that and get behind the team, the players and the manager. If you cant, then go and support the mancs or the blues my unnamed friend

Tel 1949


So we've drawn twice at home, and we're mid table candidates?

Just give it a rest!

Stu.


Problem is not drawing games but against whom we've drawn. Premier league has become ver much competitive now. We certainly need to wake up and play for LFC. Because it deserves much much more. YNWA


3 draws at home that should have been wins if the strikers were more clinical. I support the club by calling for the managers head. That is what needs to happen. sooner the better. That is what is best for the club. kev


"Im not going to walk blindly into mid table like everton without saying something about it. anybody that blindly walks on is not a fan. they are fools."

That's a perfect response to that, am sure if Shanks were alive today he would have the same thought wondering whether Kenny made the right decision by bringing theses players.

Criticizing the players & the team play will come from the fans, it is a universal thing, common sense. have to accept it.

I was nail biting watching the match till the last minute & nor did i ever boo my team after the draw. I want to see my team winning, i have expectations for the team, if anything is going wrong i will talk & think about it that's not , "not supporting the team"

Red till I die, YNWA Liverpool FC.
pytbull


Drawn four times at home and if you class finishing 6th/7th as mid-table, then yes you are a mid-table team.


"If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."
- players in his era weren't being paid 50k a week to be mediocre or not show up for games. Fans are right to expect higher standards of performances for the ridiculous sums of money they are given to do something they enjoy doing.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 09:54:06
I got criticized last week for calling for daglish to be sacked. 1 week on and poor infront of goal again, the central midfield was poor again. Adam is not good enough for a top half club. carroll is winning balls in the air and nobody is getting to him. thats down to the tactics. playing 4-4-2 with that squad is plain wrong. anyone that thinks it will all come good then you can all just walk on blindly into 6th-7th place. and to top it off henderson is not and will never be a wide right player. play him in the middle off the strikers. thats what he is built for.... kevin in cork


The kid is very decent down in the middle of the park but Kenny puts him again & again in the same position, at least try some new tactics to get the result.
Wonder sometimes whether Kenny knows what he needs to do next, now a days he seems in doubtful mood on the touch line!

pytbull


 

 

06 Nov 2011 09:41:33
why do i still see suarez taking free kicks left or right and quiet frankly he is useless at taking them for goodness sake let adam take all of them if he scores 1 and does nothing else at least he scores let adam take free kicks please


Well if adam isn't taking the set pieces whats the point of playing him on the middle of the park. plenty of players can spray passes but he has no pace. either let adam deliver set pieces or drop him. play lucas as a holding player and henderson/gerrard if he is ever fit linking up to the top2. kev in cork


 

 

06 Nov 2011 09:30:51
I though this was supposed to be a forum for liverpool fans to exchange their opinions? Clearly this is not an objective, fair, unbiased site if the eds of just gonna delete anything they dont like and spoon feed us whatever fits with their own ideas. I was not rude or offensive in any of my posts so the only reason they were not posted is because the eds cant handle some honesty and truth or any idea that deviates from their own. Why dont you post my comments??

Leo Idaho {Ed002's Note - As I said in response to your last bleating message, they have been posted. Clearly you have now joined the the band that will twist the truth to try and put down the Editors - who can happily delete the posts that they decide should not be posted. I am sure that there is an "Ed002 Out" Facebook page you could join.}


Well if there isn't an "ed002 out" page on facebook i will make sure there is one in a few hours.

Are you even a liverpool supporter?

Leo Idaho {Ed002's Note - No, of course I am not a fan. But you have made a complete idiot of yourself again with your complaints about your posts. It must be extremely embarrassing. I would be proud if you could start a similar campaign on Twitter as well.}


I think it's your tactical knowledge and poor summer signings that have been you downfall Ed002. You are suited to the modern game and have shown you've been out of the game too long. What were you thinking signing that big lump of space for that amount of money. It is a disgrace and you should leave and never return to this club.


He should just go back to what he was doing for the club. players coming back to manage never ends well. and i hate seeing whats going to happen next for kenny. truly great player but he has been out of the game way too long


I knew my post would not go up

Hernandez

Can't offend the dictators can we?


 

 

06 Nov 2011 09:26:30
None of my posts have been offensive, explicit or derogatory and yet you have not posted them. Can i have an explanation please?

Leo Idaho {Ed002's Note - Six of your posts have since yesterday have been posted including one from this morning. Try looking a bit more carefully before complaining.}


To ED002: You have the patience of a saint, and the wit of a comedian. I could not put up with all this whingeing. What on earth has happened to supporters these days ? The word respect is a big part of my life and I hope every LFC supporter. To all the whingers having a go at ED 002 annd the rest of the EDS, CHILL OUT..they are here to provide a balanced view and keep the supporters buzzing.

great site Eds

Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - Thanks Tel 1949. I remain shocked how fickle many of the supporters are.}


I'm not fickle. ive not been happy with daglish's signing from the start. and i'm being proved right. what worked for blackburn will not work these days


Trust me my friend , you are fickle. If your not happy with Dalglish, tough! If your not happy with his selection, tough! I am a supporter of LFC, wether they play good or bad. I dont whinge, I just get on with supporting the club, the manager and the players. Its not just about supporting the team that wins everything, its about being a supporter. Try growing a few more brain cells and wake up...or go and support the mancs, they like a good whinge

Tel 1949


 

 

06 Nov 2011 09:18:49
swansea, norwich ...... ha top 4 my ass!! lol europa here you go again on thurs nights. pmsfl.

Blue Moon Rising..............


 

 

06 Nov 2011 09:06:55
Re: signings Hendo is still young and don't judge him yet he can still be a brilliant buy in 2 years, so to a extent is Carroll, but the big big flop is Downing 27 year old can't beat a player decent crosser that's it,only winger in the PL to play a decent number of minutes and have 0 goals/assists ? all semi or below average wingers have been better forget Young,Nani,Mata,Johnson etc, Jarvis,Marveaux,Guttierez,Pilikington,Hammil,Eagles,SWP,Pennant,Ethrington all average wingers have been better than Downing
Scouser_1982


I reckon Glen Johnson is a better winger than Downing - and he's supposed to be a full back! He beats players, puts decent crosses in and has the occasional decent dig at goal. RED LENIN


 

 

06 Nov 2011 08:50:31
People cant wait to jump on the teams back. Ok not a great result yesterday but another point on the board and another clean sheet. People need to take a reality check to see where we was this time lasy year.

Two massive games coming up but wouldnt be suprised if we got six points from the chavs and city.

The most important thing is that we all stay one as a club and support the team and King Kenny. It could be a rollercoaster ride to fourth spot. But as a fan you have to take the good with the bad. Lets face we have had some excellent performances this season. Maybe one bad game which was spurs. So progress is certainly being made.

Mighty reds


The problem we have it is no good winning the "massive games " if we drop points at home to Norwich Swansea Sunderland 6 points dropped


Goals win games, points in the bag.


Agreed if u drop point agenest chelsea, man u, Man city its ok we can understand the money and player they have hard to cope with them but not sunderland , swansea, Norwich. and back to back point lost make us sick. its home game not away.


We're only 4 points better off than Woy was this time last year, and that's after spending big. I'm sure Kenny will get it right, the signs are there, but if he doesn't he'll walk for the good of the club when the time is right.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 08:31:33
what a lot of miserable, moaning, muppets there are on this banter page. A lot of it is so symptomatic of a certain age range today who only crave instant success. Kenny has a contract for 3 years, and has started building the future in this, his first season. I am as disappointed as anyone about the lost points at home, not only against Norwich and Swansea, but also against Utd, because we should have scored 5 against them without a doubt.

There have been some good signs - if you take the same fixtures as last season we lost against Blackpool at home so to get a point against Swansea is a 1 point improvement.

We also won away at Arsenal & West Brom which is 5 points better off than from the same fixtures last season.

Don't always look at the short term, but see the bigger picture.

You have to accept the fact that we are currently a good way short of several teams right now - Man City, Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, and at the moment Newcastle, although I don't think they will maintain their current momentum.

As for winning the league - let's get real - with the spending power of City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Utd - there is a big doubt that we will EVER win it again.

On another issue, I was at the Utd match at Anfield, and could not believe how quiet our supporters were, being out muscled in the vocals by a few of their supporters. So remember all you who criticise, you need to do your bit to get behind the team too.

I suppose you will all expect 6 points from the next 2 fixtures - Chelsea away & City at home - and if this doesn't happen will all be back on here for another slagging session.

Be realistic, please.

KBL


Ok being realistic get lost loser drawing at home 2 swansea will never be good enough get over your self im a die hard pool fan and will say it how it is i expect a win against swansea ,norwich ,etc at home would take a draw off the bigger boys k


KBL you are a muppet this is Liverpool i dont care we have to beat these small clubs give the job to a guy that knows what he is doing


KBL, are you hoping for us to get top 4? if you are, you are not realistic

SingRed


Guess the quietness of the lfc supporters at Anfield of late shows that they aren't as optimistic as you about how the rest of the season will go. Perhaps some one should remind you that the object of playing football is to win matches & trophies.


We keep going back to we beat Arsenal remember they had loads of injuries and suspensions and we didnt have a clue until it was 11 vs 10 we are struggling big style.when the highlight of the month is beating WBA


 

 

06 Nov 2011 08:28:24
We are still up there for a CL spot this season plus it's early doors. It will be a challenge as the other teams have good squads but we will be right in the mix at the end of the season.
A draw isn't a loss, it's another point. I really don't care how the Mancs are doing as we are years behind and are rebuilding. I care about us and want success but let's be patient. No need to panic, KK knows more than us so let's trust and support.
Ultra red


We are miles away from the champions league


Yip, here comes the rebuilding story. Never ends. I see the judge us after 10 games has become judge us at the end of the season. Maybe lets judge Kenny at the end of his 3 year contract? lol


Gosh no, you wouldn't want to judge anyone at the end of their contracts would you ?
Gosh, cos we all know turning around a multi million pound institution is easy.
Gosh, we know that it should be like The Apprentice. Give it a few episodes and then "You're Fired".
The Real KB


 

 

06 Nov 2011 07:59:32
Im sorry but if he cannot beat Swansea or Norwich and he spent that much money he needs to go. He might be a legend but that means nothing when we play that crap. Most fans and the eds just wear their rose tinted glasses and think Kenny can do no wrong. Im a realist if we loose against man city and Chelsea don't be surprised if he is gone. All managers are judged on results the honeymoon is over to me he is a ticking time bomb.
And by the way the fans are turning against him because i was at the game and you should have heard the things people were shouting at the bench!


 

 

06 Nov 2011 07:41:24
As frustrating as these poor results are I still think kenny can turn things around but may need another transfer window to do so. The signings of Henderson , Coates and Carroll are signings for the future and we need players for now. I don't think kk is the sort of manager who will persist with players who don't perform. I've been to most home games this season and in my opinion it's the centre midfield and right wing that needs improving. Just hope Fenway backs us with more money because if they don't I think it could be another top 6 season again


So he can waste more money on crap are you crazy give the job to someone else


Same old story, we will sort it in the next window, roll on january ect. What difference will it make when the men at the top only want s**t overpriced british based players. John henry is no fool and if things dont improve in the transfer department then i think changes in management should and will happen.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa


Henry has already admitted KD wasn't his first choice. He wanted someown younger, but since the fans wanted KD for the job, he gave it to Kenny.

Moral of the story: Be careful with what you wish for next time

SingRed


 

 

06 Nov 2011 07:21:26
However badly they played, I am not going to slag off Henderson and Carroll cause they "have potential." Adam has a god game once in a while, so he's cool too.

But DOWNING. Seriously. What happened?
The answer to our winger problems? Seriously?

Didn't you say you were in the form of your life?
PLEASE. Don't become another Joe Cole.

PITSILFC


We didn't pay anything for Joe Cole. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool agreed to pay a significant signing on fee for Cole which they are continuing to pay to this day. When he leaves (probably the end of the season), the remaining balance will need to be paid off.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 07:11:40
Another kick in the teeth yesterday. 3 draws from the last 3 home games will not lead us to finish in the top 4. At the same time we have been the better team and had the better chances during those 3 games.

For all those writing off a top 4 finish I would suggest that other teams have problems too, Chelsea look to be in a state of transition, Arsneal are flying but rely on Van Persie too much, Man Utd look surprisingly weak, only Man City look the real deal and they had a whole season to bed in Milner Silva, Y Toure, Kompany etc and add Aguro and Nasri.

So if we concentrate on our own games we will def be in the running.

However whilst I feel that the stick the players get is over the top there is an anger that our games do follow the same pattern.

A good high tempo start with a few chances (and usually woodwork hit) and if that flurry doesn't result in a goal we ose confidence ( or the opposition grows in confidence).

We do have majority of possession but it is not effective enough. I would expect periods in a match where opposition would be on top, but we are now so nervous that once it happens we don't seem to be able to step it up and wrest it back.

Then finally we create some very good late chances but don't convert. If we want to acheive top 4 we can't keep repeating this pattern.

Im still behind the players and the manager, no Idon't think they're a waste of money or that kenny is out of his depth. But currently they are failing in their objective to secure a Top 4 finish so something must change

By this I mean we have to look at our style of play, how our midfield unit works, the defence organized and how high a line we play. To consider even at home playing with 3 CM with one in a free role to dominate centre of park, to increase tempo of our play, to produce width and quality from wings on regular basis.

Look at right hand side, can we utilise Johnson there, does Henderson work there, should Maxi play, etc.

And also to be bolder with the subs, to be fair subbing a player at halftime does show that someone recognised a flaw in our starting line up and tried to rectify it but in other games the subs could have had more impact.

As stated before the frustrating thing is that we do have the players and the potential but not the mentality, the discipline to acheive the results we need. If we had been even slighty more clinical we could have had an extra 5 to 9 points without changing the performances that much. And this isnt the clutching at strawsyou get when you miss one good chance and say you should have won the game, but the host of clearcut opportunities - Suarez's skied penalty, Henderson 1 on 1, Suarez steering wide of unguarded goal, the woodwork 10 times, and 2 wonder saves( both in stoppage time) by keepers who next game drop a clanger.

Still we have to improve our finishing because 10 times hitting woodwork isn't bad luck it's bad technique. 2 seasons ago the player that struck woodwork most often was a mr Van Persie - now he scores for fun so if we can improve Carroll and Suarez's finishing we can get into top four.

Gutted about result, frustrated with performance, optimistic about the future and still happy to be a red.

D 2308


 

 

06 Nov 2011 07:09:04
Just had a quick look through yesterday's comments and have to say I am disappointed with the eds, most of the comments should of been redirected to the man city page, the so called fans would be happier there haha. I thought this was a site for Liverpool supporters?? It's pathetic, get behind your team and stop being bitches, a couple of draws and it's the end of the world, we would of lost them games if we played them 12 months earlier.

MIKEY {Ed002's Note - Many of the comments putting down the manager etc. were from Liverpool supporters Mikey - easily identifiable. And the number of posts that I have deleted this morning is astounding.}


 

 

06 Nov 2011 04:31:05
I understand that everyone is feeling very frustrated with the result. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here, just want to justify our frustrations.

At the beginning of the season, people say judge after 10 games. More than 10 have gone by and our flaws are there for all to see. We spent a hundred million pounds on players who were bought based on statistics. Adam had x% passes completed on average, Downing x number of goals and Henderson x number of assists. Also they were all brought in from within the PL. We therefore thought, that we should not take too long to gel, since they were proven players in the PL. Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam all speak English, so language is definitely not a problem, compared to the diverse nationalities and leagues players of Man City came from. We are being led by a man who has brought us such glory in the past. It is only natural we expect him to do the same again.

With that, I hope that our frustrations are justified.

Keith YNWA


 

 

06 Nov 2011 04:23:36
So f...k..g pissed off! 1/3rd of season gone Top 4 looking a distant dream atm with teams like Arsenal, Newcastle & Totenham on fire. We should be winning against these kind of opposition especially at home if want to be among the top. Starting to have that bad feeling have LFC made the right decision by paying over the odds for the likes of Carroll, Henderson & Downing. They have been so average & unconvincing so far, don't know how long we have to wait to see Liverpool rampaging & killing off the opposition with pass & move football for which it was famous for. Kenny might have did something wrong with his first few steps of this new mega LFC project.

Anyways Lets just walk on with hope in our hearts, YNWA LFC!

pytbull


 

 

06 Nov 2011 04:05:30
Congratulations to Pepe for his 150th clean sheet. Special mention to Enrique for his solid consistent performance. And... er... yea, since we can't score a goal to save our lives, we might as well keep clean sheets - at least we can hope for a draw against the likes of chavs and citeh!

SingRed


 

 

06 Nov 2011 03:20:43
Outs:
Kuyt 8 mill give or take
Lucas 12 give or take
Maxi free
aurelio free
Cole 3 mill

In; Mvila 15 mill
hoilett 8 mill +


I don't thinke Lucas is likely to leave us for less than 20mil


Hoilett & Sissoko instead of M'Vila for me. Agree with the players out though. I would take 5m for Lucas.


20 million for lucas he he lol he heee


 

 

06 Nov 2011 02:17:08
Hi Ed001,

Glad to see you shutting up some of the so called 'fans', ridiculous, I understand an opinion but some of the mindless drivel written makes you wonder why they are fans in the first place? are you not supposed to get joy from supporting your team?

Personally I am happy with every one of our signings, each of them add so much to the team, just such a marked difference from last year I just can't help but smile. Today was a bad day at the office, thought tactically we were done today, outnumbered in midfield and Lucas had a very rare off-day, although our one-to-one pressing was first class, they just seemed to always have an out ball in the middle not calling for KK's head just think this will turn the dial of the fire burning inside him, can guarantee it won't happen again come the reverse fixture! I will also give credit to Swansea they also pressed very well for a promoted team, generally don't expect it as they tend to have lower fitness levels in the championship.

Would love to get your opinion on Carroll, Big fan of what he brings to the team but much like your assessment of Henderson, I think he is struggling with the pressure, you could see the pressure on his face from the miss at half-time. Personally I would like to see him benched for a while, 1. to take the spotlight off him and 2. If the team are playing poorly, a case of 'you become a better player, when your not playing'.

p.s. Just a separate note, some of the personal insults I am getting is fine, I am old enough to handle them Haha!. I've been called a boatload the last few days, yet when I post it gets edited out. Don't get me wrong mate I like the fact that you edit it out of my posts as sometimes in the heat of an argument you say things, just thought this should apply to everyone. Also some of the posts not involving myself are getting a bit explicit sometimes mate, Apologies just love the site and offering some friendly advice :)

Doing a great job.
Thanks.

Jatt YNWA {Ed002's Note - I am afraid to say if you are going to "get explicit" your posts will often get cut.}


Very rare off day? He very rarely does anything.


Did I say something wrong?

Jatt YNWA


Totally agree with you, and totally disagree with that person who replied first to this.

"he very rarely does anything"?
He was voted Fans player of the year last season.
JUST so that you know.

PITSILFC


 

 

06 Nov 2011 01:23:26
Sorry but I posted accidentally before I meant to. I was just saying that we started at a slow tempo because we thought we could beat Swansea easily. You can read every game like a book. We get an early chance (Carroll today) and miss it. When we haven't scored after half an hour you can see the confidence rise in the opposition. The we become a bit desperate and, when we do get chances, the goalkeeper, who is usually crap against everyone else, plays like a worldbeater against us.

To the Liverpool players, I hope you are as upset about the result as I am. If not, you should be. You have the chance in a lifetime opportunity to play for Liverpool here. For God sake, take it, instead of fafffing about! Start every game as if you mean to win it and maybe we will beat teams like Swansea and Norwich and Sunderland. If you are not going to put the effort in go and play somewhere else.

redmersey


Spot on Mate! its so frustrating to watch when you know that the players out there are not exactly giving it their all, or refuse to play as a unit...buck up lads


Um.. Downing.. ? U reading this?

PITSILFC


 

 

06 Nov 2011 00:42:39
I keep hearing people say what happens when we go through a bad patch? Are we not already going through a bad patch? The way I see it it can only get better when more than one of our players is playing well

Mat.lfc


Being negative we can go through a patch of not creating chances or losing suarez


When we are not creating chances which will happen, then it would be a bad patch

The Dark Knight


 

 

06 Nov 2011 00:31:30
as much as im frustrated with liverpool i think we have to give credit to swansea for their performance today. they play good football


Yea they done that at citeh and got stuffed

atlfc70


That's because. Citeh have players that even when they don't play as a team will individually try to win the match silva,aguero,yaya
We have 1 in suarez


We spent a 100 million plus on players get real


 

 

06 Nov 2011 00:31:22
Just a question. Did anyone at the start of the transfer window when discussing new signings think 'got to get that lad Henderson from Sunderland'? Personally I would also never have sold Raul Meireles and was gutted when he left at the last minute - creativity gone. What's your thoughts Ed? Anyone else agree?
{Ed001's Note - I just remember Henderson being closely tracked by United last season.}


He was signed at 20 years of age , you may have to wait a while before he becomes a great player .

1977


I don't remember meireles being creative but I do remember him always losing the ball to opposition easily, yes he did have some good games but no consistency, not good enough in my opinion, nothing to cry over he was not a silva. hibsylfc


Hence we got him and all he can do is pass backwards..and the mancs go forward

atlfc70


The lad can play in cm for the u21's and scored a worldy a few weeks ago


Same here mate gutted when merilles was forced out and aqua we have no creativity


 

 

06 Nov 2011 00:13:16
Hi Ed's and Reds

does anyone think that this team is good enough (other
than the brainwashed KK brigade)to get C/L footie

atlfc70 {Ed001's Note - brainwashed KK brigade? That was a sad little statement, one that is absolute nonsense. It is not about being brainwashed or having faith, it is about having sense to see that it is far too early to judge whether or not KK is the answer to all our prayers. This is the time for the fans to back the team, not to bitch and whine and pick at everything.}


Ed001 - well said


Far too early to judge , apart from today which was poor to say the least we have been unlucky a little in a few matches , and as for any thing that needs worked on or new players to come into the team , a couple of players needing to improve etc kk has forgotten more than i will ever know about football , so we have to trust him through the tougher times , we all get a little down now and then , but a couple of good results will come...........lfc


And exactly how long before we start to show improvement? somebody, anybody please enlighten me because I haven't got a clue

SingRed


Ed that is the type of loser mentality that liverpool fans are startin to adopt recently and its not healthy. When is enough type to judge? 2 months? 4months? a season? By the time you have finished being "patient" and waiting for everything to gel we will have missed out on champions league, again.

All this "time" nonsense is the type of attitude you would expect at a small club. I can bank my life that abramovich is already thinkin about potentially gettin rid of avb already, he aint got time to sit around and watch a car crash in slow motion. Winners make changes and they make changes quickly. You can harp on about how ferguson waited years for his first trophy but its a different league now, we are not afforded the luxury of 5 years to build a team, its not realistic in 2011 mate.

Kenny is not working, the signings are not working, the system is not working...this is fact. Yes in time it may improve but it may not? Do you want to sit and wait until xmas when we are languishing in 14th place before you realise something is wrong? I cant take all this pc talk, we are lfc and after 10 games and after spending 100million pounds I expect more. Dont you?

I specifically remember the eds sayin to wait at least 10 games until we judge, well 10 games is up and i am judging. should we wait now until the new year? when do you suggest is an appropriate and fair time to judge this current team...?

All this small town small fish talk of we were unlucky and we've hit the post x amount of times and we have to wait for the team to blend together and give it til xmas...its a bit pathetic and is why pundits, fans of other teams and the media do not take us seriously. Fix up guys its not good enough.

Leo Idaho


He has the worst tactics he has wasted huge sums of money on a striker who could not hit a barn door. Managers are judged on results and the players they buy and kenny has failed in both respects. To me the championship has managers with more tactical knowledge.


 

 

06 Nov 2011 00:06:42
Poor performance today. Three of the new signings are just not delivering the goods (Henderson, Downing and Carroll in that order) - they were bought based on goals and assists, but are just not doing it. Got to disagree slightly with Ed001, think the problem is the midfield. The four that started today have proved again that they frighten nobody. Need to hope Stevie returns and stays fit or we get some much needed creativity and energy in the middle of the park in January, otherwise no CL for us next season. Disappointing


 

 

05 Nov 2011 23:58:02
charlie adam- not fit enough
jordan henderson- played out of position, not good enought to play on the wing, not confident at all on the ball, im sick of having this arguement over henderson but hes s**t Daglish has given that lad to many opertunities this season an he is not grasping them! i hope dirk starts on the right this season from now on... how do u go from being our top scorer last season to being just a sub this season? kenny needs his head testing because at the end of the day we havent brought in anyone better than dirk for the right side of midfield so why stop playing him? good game apart from adam and henderson!! an eds get a grip KK can make mistakes you know! its pothetic the way u carry on saying kenny can do no wrong and everyone is wrong an look at the improvement from last season! news flash we was awful last season so its not gonna take much to make us look better! we could of brought in scot parker instead of charlie adam and adam johnson instead of jordan henderson... he would of only cost an extra 5 mil an hes well better an this might sound mad but he actually plays on the wing where henderson dosent! but you know best ed dont u?

LFC WOOZ {Ed001's Note - you know nothing, Johnson was not up for sale, so no we couldn't have brought him in instead of Henderson. So stop trying to be clever with hindsight, because you are sadly misinformed and not looking at all clever.}


Anyone who thinks aiming for a top 6 finish is not good enough is deluding themselves. Challenging for top honours is 2-3 years away yet. You may not like it, but it's true none the less. I've followed Liverpool since the early 1960's - it takes time to build a long term empire. Look how long it took Fergie to win his first trophy. That is the reality we are looking at. Behaving like little babies with a wet nappy and calling for KK's head because we aren't 10 points clear is to be frank juvenile and pathetic. RED LENIN


I know more than you m8 trust me! {Ed001's Note - clearly not. I certainly wouldn't trust you, as you clearly have no idea of the situation.}


If only it was 2-3 years away but its not challenging for top honours is a long way away and anyone who can seee that end in sight is very optimistic


Citeh have an unlimited budget

Chelsea have resources far greater than Liverpool

Its loooks pretty bleak

For sucess you need money to buy the players the team really needs and not compromise on your signings

Henry just aint got the money as we will soon find out


 

 

 
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