Liverpool Banter Archive November 06 2012
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06 Nov 2012 23:24:51
I'll tell yers all a story:
Me old fella is Liverpool through and through, 75 now but had a season ticket for the kop in the
standing days and saw LFC home and away in every stadium
in the UK. I respect him a lot for the amount of games he's
seen and the first time he took me to Anfield when I was 5 years old. However, he is not without his faults. He was and will
always be a big believer in dishing out the punishment and I
was never a stranger for a few wacks when I was a
kid.
Anyway, this story stared when my Aunt May died this year, we all went to the funeral in Liverpool and we gave her a good send off. My 6 year old daughter got talking to
my Dad (her grand dad) on he subject of Death. At that age, they don't understand it all, but she asked Grandad,
''Eh Grandad, when you die, are you going to get buried in this church too like Aunt May?''
Grandad replied to her,
''No way, when I die, I want to be cremated and I want my ashes put on the Kop at Anfield and I want you to be in charge of this job to see that it is done properly''.
This summer, we left my daughter to stay at grandad's place, while we went away for a few days. One of the important things happening that week was a party for my daughters best friend. Trying to cut a long story short, while my daughter was playing at grandad's house, she accedntently broke a statue that he had. Grandad was in absolute rage with her for this and he sent her to the bed room saying,
''You're punished! you cannot go to your best firends party!''
Grand daughter was of course distraught at this punishment and shouted down the stairs,
''Grandad, you're ashes are going on Manchester United's ground!''
Needless to say, cinderella went to the ball. - If only I'd have thought of that 30 years ago...
RedAce.
Great Story RedAce. Back in the day there was nothing wrong with the odd (11 times a week) beating we got growing up. Wish we could get away with it today. The Ed would have a field day with the little'uns in here when they babysit them.
Chi-Paul
Awesome story RedAce. Couldn't help thinking your daughter was pretty brutal towards your Dad - Goodison would have been fair enough but Old Trafford is severe ;)
cozinoz
Great story !! kids !! lol . steviep62.
06 Nov 2012 22:54:05
Ed2 you have always sayed FSG are running Liverpool right way what about Abramovich doesn't he run chelsea right way {Ed002's Note - I am not sure what your question is - and why folks want to keep trying to draw irrational comparisons. I accept the jealousy and the yearning for a sugar daddy, but it is nothing to do with Chelsea. If you want FSG out - abuse them and their families. Perhaps again deface the stadium. They are certainly getting the message.}
"Fickle" again
I'm not sure that this question deserved such a sulky response. Nobody is jealous of Chelsea, partly because Chelsea are not what the majority would consider to be a real club.
Red Owl
Ed002, you are a chelsea fan and from the usa you always stick up for fsg as if you know them well , lfc fans know they saved us and we thank them but they do deserve to be criticised at times , when did we damage the ground and for you to say fsg are getting the message , what message tell us . thanks because some times like all of us you are interesting.
06 Nov 2012 22:54:02
We will attempt to sign Huntelaar for £7m, Walcott for £12m and Ba for £7.5m. All 3 of these attacking players will give us some immense firepower up front and the versatility of Walcott & Ba enable us to play a number of different systems.
the £26.5m required to sign these 3 players would be more than worth it, and I honestly believe that our team would be almost complete. The thing that we have been lacking for 2 years now is goals; and if Suarez, Borini, Ba, Huntelaar and Walcott can't get plenty of goals between them, then no one can!
Number11
I would not gp for demba ba
06 Nov 2012 22:22:47
I have been to many a Liverpool game. Seen them win at barca madrid and in European cup finals.
However Luis suarez goal on Sunday Will be up there with my greatest memories.
King kenny gets a lot of stick for his spending policy. Roy before him was hardly a hit with the fans. But both have a Hugh part in bringing Luis to our club. A player signed for 23m now worth 50+. A player in my opinion up there with messi . A player lfc must keep and build a team around.
Thanks kenny and Roy.
Ps kenny may have signed him. But Roy did the work before hand .
Marker
What did Hugh do?
06 Nov 2012 22:15:53
" ALL WE NEED IS A GOALSCORER ". I tear my hair out every time I hear/ read those words. Goalscorers are 10 a penny at the minute if you were to listen too some of you d**kheads, back in the real world they are like rockin horse s**te, and in jan they will be even harder to come by. If you think we will just pick up a striker and solve all our problems then your all in for a major major wake up call! Rival fans call us delusional. WONDER WHY!
Waro
He is class, i also think hes up there with lionel and ronaldo!!
billynwa
^ Your very optimistic Waro! So you think we won't attract a top striker to play up front with Luis?
All we need is a goal-scorer,
All you need is a goal-scorer,
da-da da ta-da
All you need is a goal-scorer,
A goal scorer is all ya need.
We sold off Torres - da da da ta da
Carroll could'nt score in a brothel,
da da da ta ta
All we need is the touch,
of the great Ian Rush,
Even a little bit of the power,
of our own Robbie Fowler
All we need is a goal-scorer
a goal scorer is all lfc needs....
a goal-scorer is all lfc needs
-is all lfc needs,
-is all lfc needs,
-is all lfc needs
We love you ye ye ye
We love you ye ye ye
B. Rodgers & Lennon & McCartney
Cool....so if we buy a goal scoring striker in January can we all post that Waro is a clueless tool? You're the Emperor, Waro, and those clothes look great on you.
cozinoz
Major lolz to the emperor comment
06 Nov 2012 21:59:13
Hi Eds
If this morning's rumour regarding Xabi Alonso's agent looking for a Premier League move IF his contract talks break down, surely Liverpool would be his only destination considering his stated love for the club, now I respect its all ifs & buts, but if his talks did break down, would we be in a position to buy? & if so considering he would only have 12-18 months on his contract depending on a summer or January move & his age what would you think his fee would be?, I know you get a lot of questions about the return of Alonso, but I think the player has stted before he would love to end his career here & I think both the fans & plans think there is unfinished business here, I just hope BR is a fan of his & one day it will happen, again sorry for the many questions. {Ed002's Note - My view is pretty well known that I would see it as a retrograde step.}
Move on please! Your living in the past!
Alonso is too old now and would probably struggle to readjust to the pace of the Premiership.
kidmillions
Is that an Ed speaking or Chelski fan.. {Ed002's Note - I assume you are some sort of half-wit given by the whole series of embarrassing and abuse posts you are sending in. It has nothing to do with Chelsea at all. Your posts are making the Liverpool fans look stupid.}
06 Nov 2012 21:03:06
Michel Herrero of Levante has been looked at as a potential right wing option.
YOZLFC
06 Nov 2012 22:48:30
To Everyone: When Anfield gets redeveloped, what would you change? What would you definitely keep from old anfield? At the new mold trafford, there is the sir alex fergison stand, who would you name a stand after?
LUv you all
Without a doubt the bob Paisley stand. A genius A legend our sir bob.
Jimbob
The djimi traore suite in the david burrows stand. oh aye.
The 96 Memorial Stand
06 Nov 2012 22:43:56
Team(s) i would like after Jan;
1)
________________Reina______________
Johnson____Skrtel_____Agger____Enrique
________________Lucas______________
___________Gerrard_Sahin____________
Suarez_________Huntelaar______Sterling
2)
________________Reina______________
_______Coates___Skrtel___Agger______
____________Lucas__Sahin____________
Gaitan__________Gerrard_______Sterling
____________Suarez_Huntelaar_______
3) - Young Team for Future
______________TerStegen____________
Kelly_____Wisdom_____Coates__Robinson
________________Allen______________
Muniain________Shelvey________Assaidi
___________Borini____Pato____________
JMRED95
So jmred.. the owners are going to give us 40 million euros for munain, 30 million euros for gaitan, probably 30 million euros for pato and then around 10 million pocket change for huntelaar? get real son and go back to playing fifa
Calum red
06 Nov 2012 22:42:00
I thought Holtby was a mad keen Everton fan? Would he join us?
His dad is from Liverpool
07 Nov 2012 14:15:34
No because Rush, Fowler, Owen, Carragher and McManaman never joined Liverpool because of being Evertonians as kids.
Difference is he isn't a kid
Chris in Tamworth
06 Nov 2012 22:03:28
in the jan window i would be happy with huntelaar (regain his partnership with suarez )
lewis holtby (knows huntelaar)
i missed the city game as i watched the arsenal game , so will have to watch the highlights , but with these 2 in our team we would run the midfield and dare i say it holtby could be gerrards replacement , and we would score goals , with the partnership of suarez and huntrlaar picking up from where they left off at ajax , snd if theres any money left buy a full back/wing back that could play on both flanks
anyway thats what i would do but im glad im not a manager
mickey b
JFT96
Schalke had a terrible first half so not a particularly good match to scout. however huntelaar did impress me as did walcott. not just because they both scored.
NZL_red
06 Nov 2012 21:51:06
AM - Eriksen 20million, Shelvey was in BR thoughts to be the AM but Shelvey isn't yet composed in front of goal so instead will be the future replacement of Gerrard in Center Mid as BR is trying to offload Henderson.
Winger/Striker - Theo Walcott £8m (BR see suarez as the attacking head of liverpool and will remain in his false nine position at least for the rest of the season if not the foreseeable future), theo will play of suarez in a 41212 [the width will come from the fullbacks as well as one of the front two]
RB,CB,CB,LB
DM(Lucas)
CMR(Gerrard), CML(Allen)
AM(Eriksen)
SS(Theo), ST(suarez)
= £26m
out
Henderson £10m, Downing £7m & Cole £1.5m.
= £18.5m
= £7.5m net spending
in the summer perhaps a cf, cb, lb & dm.
06 Nov 2012 21:48:20
Mighty reds . Stats or no stats he is still struggling end of ? . But the whole team would be struggling if he wasn't playing . We are not scoring goals as often as we should so why then take out our most Potent midfielder ? I don't think you have an argument really . I appreciate your opinion but think it's wrong . Cheers though
Jamesy
Who are you talking about Jamesy , Joe Cole ?:
I agree with you, but he (Gerrard ?) need a rest , he is not his usual self.
Roy
06 Nov 2012 22:29:54
Spot on mate there is a reason everytime we need gerrard to come as a sub for europa league matches coz there is no one who can do what gerrard can at the same time we don't have better options then Gerrard at the moment. People are forgetting Gerrad hasn't been rested properly since world cup. If we can't rest him for europa then how can we drop him for league.
06 Nov 2012 21:45:04
Huntelaar, llorente, hooper, Walcott and sturridge all are out of contract in the summer lets snap a couple up either for small fees in jan or per contracts
Also holtby and sissoko are and could replace outgoing sahin/cole
Ah yes... it's as easy as that.
06 Nov 2012 21:43:45
Who that Poulsen playing holding mid for Ajax? He looks superb. We should sign him.
Lol he rlly did have a decent game.. but while were there lets get bk some other classic liverpool players... my personal favourite.... bruno cheyrou
Mine would be biscan
Paul Konchesky
06 Nov 2012 21:08:23
I know this will not go down well with the fans, but I reckon we should re sign Babel! Yes Ryan Babel! He never really had a chance when he was with us, and never really started 3 games in a row! His stats for lfc are not that bad, and we could get him for free in the summer, as he only signed a year contract with Ajax.
He will fit into our system very well or just be a squad player. He has lfc in his blood still only 25. And he is on relatively low wages!
RedRum
06 Nov 2012 21:38:33
Your right mate we should even sign poulsen back from ajax
We don't need anymore "squad players" we already have too many of them. What we do need is top class players who will improve our starting 11. Ryan Babel is not top class.
Get a life mate people like u make me laugh uve jst watched the mancity game seen babbel take 2 players on have acgood 10 minutes naw he's a world beater resign pulssen swell while were there a mate good job your not the gaffer fazak l f c
You could argue that he was a free agent and at the moment apart from suarez would be a sensible option of sticking up front. I remember seeing him play live for holland and he looked frightening! Somewhere along he just fizzled out, I wouldn't pay now but would have took him in the summer
To whoever posted we already have too many squad players, where?
I like babel, just not for liverpool.
NZL_red
06 Nov 2012 21:04:41
A lot of people seem to think there is little or no chance for us to sign Walcott but I should remind you that he is a Liverpool supporter. Yes this may not be a good reason, but I also think he wants to win something in his career, (last time Arsenal won something he was what?16?). I rate him highly and he showed he can finish against Reading (a team we only manged to score one against) and I think a front three of him,Suarez and Sterling will see us challenging.
AsianRed
Solsjaker was a Liverpool supporter but is a United legend and has said this week he wants to manage them. Who a player supported as a kid means nothing! Carra rush mcmanaman were blues. Peter Reid was a red, see were I am going with this.........
Waro
07 Nov 2012 01:06:52
Why would walcott leave Arsenal and sign for pub team are you serious or as usual liverpool fans leaving in past. Liverpool are laughing stock not only in league but in world only liverpool fans think different coz of red tinted glasses. Trying to forgett about present and giving excuses saying future haha liverpool is finished the chapter is closed forever now just enjoy other clubs and Rivals success.
YNWA= YOU WILL NEVER WIN ANYTHING!
Chelsea forever
YWNWA then...
What a tool!
Jog on back to your own page.
Phooey...
06 Nov 2012 20:49:00
Liverpool should sign Ajax number 5 ! he looks class ;-) K.O.B
06 Nov 2012 20:30:52
Huntelaar is the most likely striker option as Walcott will not be made available in January due to Wenger's world renowned stubborness. Rodgers is also interested in a right winger from outside of the premiership, as he wants to focus Sterling on the left flank, where he believes he is a more potent force.
No big surprise if Sturridge is bought should Schalke baulk at the 9M offer from Liverpool.
Henderson is interested in a move to Middlesborough, who have reportedly registered an interest in a loan move in Jan.
JSB70
Sturridge was quoted at around 20 mil.. So what you said makes no sense. Huntelaar would cost less.
Yea i cant see us getting sturridge for less than 9 mill. especially as he is (sigh) young and english
NZL_red
06 Nov 2012 20:18:58
Hi Eds,
Mate and I were chatting this afternoon and thought it would be good if you had a link showing a profile and more intriguingly photos of you all so that us mere mortals can put a face to the enigma that is The Eds!
Jack the Groove {Ed002's Note - Firstly this is not a dating website. However, whilst I am clearly cute, the site would be soon shut down if we ever showed pictures of the humungous and hirsute Ed007. Obviously you already know what Ed003 looks like.}
Whilst I am clearly cute
======================
The image I have in my head of Ed002 is the face of Vincent Schiavelli, the body of Gary Coleman and the voice of Alan Green
Roy
The mystery of ed 002 is what makes him/her the best one plus the spot on info {Ed002's Note - Interestingly the previous poster got one of three right. Who's Alan Green?}
Roy
I was thinking more Lily savage! The whole package!
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Ed052? No.}
06 Nov 2012 20:17:01
Everything BR has done so far has been good in my books, hes taken lemons and made very sweet lemonade, the only problem in this juice is one Steven Gerrard. The man is iconic, but sentiments aside, he does not deserve a starting place in our midfield , and i truly believe that he can better serve as an impact player.
Oh and yeah we do need strikers and im glad we didnt buy them in the summer, cause right now we can see what type of striker we need, the whole team is a well oiled machine that is just short of a head.
And before u start ranting, yes weve had bad days and our deffence is a bit shaky, reina aint himself, but give the guy a break, hes been holding the flood gates for so long, im sure he will come ryt.
I was really hoping we sign De jong in the summer, but ryt now ill take
Hunterlar
And by god, the crosses weve been hitting, oh Carrol ........
Carroll can't score from a cross, when he's in the same team as Jarvis and you think he'd score for us?
AsianRed
While Gerrard is not at his best, I feel people are being well over the top in regards to how poor he has been. I watched the Newcastle game again last night and while this year he has ceratinly been more error prone than normal, he still has plenty to offer in the positives department.
As for Carroll, he is being very effective for the Hammers if not scoring however that is because it suits his style and strengths and I do not believe that this will work ever with our style.
Like so many players not playing for Liverpool, we need to accept they have gone and move forward. As a supporter group we appear to be holding onto the past far too much. Between every window, we constantly hear about Torres, Xabi and even Babel in the last one. I was a huge fan of the first two but they are gone. Lets move on can we. I love our history, good and bad, but I am more interested in what we can build towards right now.
Andy K
Its no wonder the OP is unknown
The Bells
'Taken lemons and made sweet lemonade'
What a line
Jay
^ Well Brendan just stirred in some sugar!
06 Nov 2012 20:12:39
Frank De Boer, what a manager.
AFC Ajax, what a team.
This is the type of the thing the owners and BR are trying to create. One can only dream, because they are what you call a PROPER football club, and I have so much respect for them, they have one of the best youth academies in the world.
Can Suso be our Eriksen?
Yesil be our De Jong?
Coates be our Aldeweireld?
Too many brilliant prospects to compare, but what I do know is that they are teaching Man City that money and Sheikhs are not everything.
AsianRed
Eriksen could possibly be our number 10.
Does Alderweireld play for his national team?
But as far as my knowledge goes Coates does play for the national team, was a vital part of the Copa America winning team...
So how is he better than Coates?
LiverBird
2nd replier:I love Coates and rate him extremely highly, I don't think you can talk about Alderwiereld in a national team sense because he has Kompany, Vermaelan and Vertonghen to compete with, but like I said I rate Coates and think he was Kennys best signing after Suarez. I just meant that I hope he becomes a vital part of the XI like Aldeweireld is for Ajax.
AsianRed
He never said Alderweireld is better than Coates.. He said can Coates be that man for us. Some people need to read the posts.
God damn, thats some youth academy they've got at Ajax!
Our team played off the pitch an yous still want br to be sacked
06 Nov 2012 20:06:34
Hey Eds,
As the transfer window will open on January 1st, How long does it take for a transfer to go through? for example if we agreed a fee and wages for a player on the 1st of January, how long until the player is offical a LFC player.
Thanks
Thatracoonstolemybacon {Ed002's Note - Until the paperwork is processed by the FA and, if necessary, international clearance obtained. A couple of days.}
06 Nov 2012 20:05:16
if BR gets sacked we could get mancini..
he will be sacked....horrible...down 0-2 against ajax..
city starting elevn cost 180 mill.
ajax 3 mill..
someone including ed said erikkson is over rated...
if joe allen and henderson is worth 16 mill
then erriksson cost 50 mill for me..
seems ed is watching some other game..
lets buy the Ajax team..
look the way they playing against city..
tiki taka style...
babel and poulsen having a great game..
YNWA
I'm sorry I missed the point of this post?
AsianRed
06 Nov 2012 20:05:06
eds, im just watching the city match, cant wait to go into work tomorrow and laugh at my mates! ive never seen this jong guy play before, is that not the striker we were meant to be after? is he always this good at finishing because at the minute he looks likes he is just walking round and goals are flying in of him! do we still have any interest in him?
Thanks in advance
john {Ed002's Note - Liverpool were actually interested in Luuk - his older sister.}
Ah, luuk de jong? not the same guy then ed? (sorry im not paying that much attention to the match) is this ajax jong any good then do you know?
i noticed one of the other comments say buy ajax they play tiki taka, how long have we not heard from ajax for? they used to be a massive club but have disappeared for a few years, now 90% of there team are from there youth set up, exactly how liverpool will be in a couple of years!
John {Ed002's Note - He is a decent player by all accounts.}
A friend of mine is a huge fan of SIEM de Jong, always advertising how good a finisher he is. The guy was actually a midfielder not two years ago, but repositioned and became a profitic striket
Drigan
It could be argued that Ajax are the father's of tika taka and youth development structure used by Barcelona, Arsenal and Dortmund and now us. They are a great club and I have a lot of respect for them however the downside to their structure is that they need to see their best players so are in a constant state of repair.
Andy K
Absolutely right Andy K. It was the great Ajax side of the 70's under Michels that started innovating with the idea of players being able to play several positions and possession control. This same style was brought down by Johann Cruyff to Barca as player and coach later on.
06 Nov 2012 20:00:03
Ed, Theoretically, if we sign another striker like Huntelaar, Strurridge, Waltcott, etc....do you see us pushing Suarez out to the flank with this striker playing the central role?
I'm really excited by this possibility but not sure how BR will manage this. {Ed002's Note - Perhaps it will allow him a little more freedom to move around.}
06 Nov 2012 19:57:13
Hi eds as this Huntelar story wont go away, just wondering as the man himself ever expressed any interest in a move t the reds or any other club in England for that matter? {Ed002's Note - Yes, he has shown an interest in moving to England to "test" himself in the past.}
06 Nov 2012 19:50:46
Anyone else think babel could have prospered in our new formation as an interchangable forward in the front three?
He wasn't really given that much of a chance here, which is a shame. That said, I'm not sure if he was really good enough anyway.
ChrisMiz
No, he is a massively frustrating headless chicken
06 Nov 2012 19:41:11
Was told today that Rogers was told on deadline day, have Dempsey now or use his fee to pay Villa's wages in jan for a loan til the season end. Who knows? {Ed002's Note - Sounds like a truly bizarre thing to say.}
I just wish these flies that sit on walls gave information like this out more often.....thank you Mr. Fly!
And why you makin things up? Err I mean who folks you that?
JohnBoy
Alright ladies calm down, only saying i was told, not that its gospel!
agreed ed i thought it bizarre but thought id pass it on. {Ed002's Note - Let's hope it's true - but Ricky is no youngster now.}
06 Nov 2012 19:36:14
tonight the game against schalke and arsenal will show us some of the players we are linked with so i would suggest watching it , because its not just walcott but huntelaar and lewis holtby,
on another note does any one agree with me that we need full backs aswell as a striker , i want enrique to recapture his early form , but lets be honest how many times does johnson have to be injured before rodgers calls it a day on him ,
we are not that far away from winning games and untill we get rid of the high earners who dont play that much we wont get the players we really need , joe cole should go , gowning should be replaces with pacheo or assaidi , henderson should go out on loan because he is not getting enough games in midfield to to grow , i like henderson and he has got an eye for a pass , but he comes off the field with his kit cleaner than when he goes on and for a midfielder not to tackle much is a not good , i really think if rodgers gets the money off the owners he will buy the right players and we will start winning
mickey b
JFT96
06 Nov 2012 19:23:12
Hi eds :)
is it true that Glen Johnson is unsettled at LFC and if so who do you think would be a decent/buyable fullback?
because i really do think that jose enrique is not good enough to play 1st team football for us! {Ed002's Note - I have no idea if Johnson is pissed with the club or not. As for Enrique - get the Facebook page going to ensure that he knows the fans think he is not good enough for the club. Perhaps some abuse on Twitter to help get the deadwood out and then take your pick of a replacement.}
I love you ed002
Ed 002 I respect your opinions, however your always so quick to jump on the backs of Liverpools fans for the actions of who can only be described as a minority of persons. All football clubs have there fair share, I can think of a few persons who support Chelsea who have been in the press recently!
I don't know whether you do it to get a reaction from our fans but it does seem rather petty and an abuse of your responsibility as an editor! {Ed002's Note - Again the embarrassment of bringing Chelsea in to it. It is nothing to do with them. Try searching the Liverpool page for donkey, deadwood or " not good enough". Fickle and anonymous.}
RedRum {Ed002's Note - Ignorant MFs like you are the reason the fans worry about being a laughing stock.}
Don't see the problem with the OPs post
cozinoz
06 Nov 2012 19:10:36
liverpool are & have been the most unluckiest team last season & this season its really annoying the chances we create & waste is unreal .,iseen a stat that last season we created more chances than any other team,,& if we had a scored half of the chance we would have finish top 4 ,,ino its acase what if & all that ,but for it 2be happening again this season its becoming ajoke,just think if the only player we signed this summer was van persie were would we be inthe league,,thats the type of player we need aproven pl player,,id love it if the owners said to br theres 30mil & he went all out & got dzeko hes on the city bench & wen he comes on he scores fingers crossed. no more of these signings for the future we need top 4 this year the chances are there just need put away,,,,,,IRISH RED
Zzzzzzzzzzzz... Top 4 will simlynnt happen. The top 3 are so far ahead it unreal. Then there are Arsenal and Spurs and sadly, Everton. Top half would be a good result this year
06 Nov 2012 19:09:22
We've got to add to our squad in January. Huntelaar, Walcott and maybe Torres are all realistic targets
You lost me after walcott
06 Nov 2012 19:07:06
Jamesy I totally disagree with you Steven Gerrard doesn't influence a game anymore and I find it hard to see what he gives the team. Every player as his day and its time we replace him.
Mighty reds
06 Nov 2012 19:49:01
Mate go and see at liverpool site he has created most chances then anyother player in liverpool and his in top three creating chances in epl.Source Liverpool.com
Stats or no stats he is struggling end of.
Mighty reds
He is making a lot of errors and is taking time to adapt however the negative reactions are over the top. He is still spreading the ball amazingly at times and creates good chances.
Andy K
06 Nov 2012 21:49:21
Spont on Andy k if we are honest Sahin doesn't offer anything especially we payed 6 million for his 1 year loan but people like mighty reds don't see and criticise a man who creates most chances for our team. Its shoking. Rodgers knows the best if he thinks Gerrard should start then be it or Mighty reds you should apply for liverpool job
Some of our players are trying too hard and snatching at chances ( Shelvey against Newcastle) Gerrard is trying to play the perfect pass the killer ball. The whole team will relax and play better when we put a decent run together and possibly get that goalscoring forward to partner Suarez. The part confidence plays can never be under estimated in football.
kidmillions
06 Nov 2012 18:58:13
I keep hearing goalkeeper rumours do you think reina is going anywhere
Thanks
Ryan
06 Nov 2012 18:09:58
Hi eds any idea what strikers are travelling to Russia? Is there a chance Ngoo could start?
Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - I doubt he will start.}
06 Nov 2012 17:59:12
I hope Liverpool get a striker with a bit of klass in jan.
Gee man
Didn't someone post this joke yesterday?
MIKEY
It wont be hunterlaar!
He will most probably be moving to White Hart Lane , its all over the independent !!
Much love
I think we will be in the HUNT LAR !!
alan waddle
I was thinking the same thing MIKEY...
AsianRed
More likely someone called Jan for Janet!
Surez will convince him 2 cum 2 uz who ever striker will cum in jan an if he starts bangin them in he will be a hero that's wat we need. Fazak L F C
06 Nov 2012 17:58:52
Ok, you all saw Suarez goal on Sunday. What other players (past or present) would have had the ability to do that?
The Irish Rover
Owen and fowler in Liverpool colours for me had that skill.
Dalglish, Barnes, Beardsley, Littmanen, Hunt, and Sean Dundee!
Evo YNWA
Possibly John Barnes
Scouse_Pride
Jari Litmanen
Also
Scouse_Pride
Maradonna...
Phooey
Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler, Kenny,
Messi,
Emily Heskey
Djimi Traore, Nunez, but one that is serious that will probably not get a shout is our own little...
Luis GarcÃa!!
That goal against Juventus!!! :-)
Voronin!! :D
huddz red
Pele or Bestie? I think some of you boys are taking the pee!
The Irish Rover
Dalglish fowler ray Kennedy terry mc dermott John Barnes Peter Beardsley Peter Thompson Luis Garcia Steve heighway
Paisley's genius
Messi, C.Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Zidane, Pele, Best, Law, Dalglish, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Zico, Cruyff & Henry are just a few that spring to mind!
3 years ago torres
06 Nov 2012 17:54:36
Harry redknapp next Liverpool boss.
Djay
Dream on. We've just been rescued from near bankruptcy. He's the last thing we would need. Not that BR is going anywhere soon - thank god
Nooooooooooooooooooo!
Red Owl
Djay if you are correct I will buy your beer for the whole of next year.
Harry is certainly not the answer. He would want loads of money to buy players at the end of their playing carrer and put them on massive wages.
Brendan is doing a good job and just needs time to bring the team on.
Give the guy a break. People must be blind if they can't see the bigger picture with Brendan.
Gazza
Don't be daft.
Didnt he sign bale defoe van der vart which ones did he sign at the end of there career brendon pays over the true value for allen
Allen is not over valued you person! he is quality and is 22! in 3, 4 years time we will have barca knocking on our door to sign him.
06 Nov 2012 17:38:21
Sick of hearing people saying SG should be out of the team . We have been so blessed to have him from a young age but because he isn't scoring goals from 30 yards or running the whole lenth of the pitch to tackle someone people are doubting his quality . Please give your heads a shake . He has set up most of our goals with pinpoint crosses . Take him out of the team and we would be in trouble . And all this crap about Allen being poor it does my head in . If we have the ball they can't score . He was brought in to keep the ball . Keep the play moving which he does and all of this is while playing out of position . Just wish the minority can see what the rest of us do .
Normally put YNWA but it seems people don't understand it anymore
Jamesy
Some people talk out of there arses jamesy I back you post 100 %
Gee man
Agree but he is having a poor start to the season
I see where you're coming from and can't blame you. YNWA is often thrown beside a sign-off when someone has just slated the team.
I couldnt agree more Jamesy. Everyone loved him every other season when he's been our best player, but just cos he's having a bad start to a season people want him out. After everything he's done for the past 10+ years. I hate people like that!
Messi would have a poor start to the season with the players we have leave s.g alone. red mick tag ynwa
Gerrard may not be going through a purple patch at present but he's still our best player
Remember form is temporary CLASS is forever and Gerrard oozes class
I think he just needs a rest to recharge his batteries
Thanks for the replies . Really appreciate it . Thought I may have got slated for it .
To real fans YNWA
Jamesy
06 Nov 2012 17:17:28
Hi Ed's, whats the chances of Joe Cole going in January? Any legite interest in him?
Thanks
Lee73 {Ed002's Note - Lille would take him. There is a chance of interest from two EPL sides aswell - but money could be an issue. I don't know how much Liverpool still owe him.}
Thanks Ed002, The greedy little so and so should just pack it in and leave,he dont need the money. Fingers crossed, he go's and we bring in some quality in Jan.
Lee73 {Ed002's Note - He is not greedy, Liverpool agreed a signing on fee.
06 Nov 2012 17:16:26
Its official. Rodgers is doing a worse job than Hodgson. Fact.
It's official. Most pointless post of the day. Fact.
Nick
People like you can never be pleased who would you have take over? Please provide solutions rather then constant complaints its getting old.
Do you think he is a worse manager? Because if you do, you are sorely mistaken
Huh, look at that no agrees...must not be a fact after all.
AsianRed
He is not doing a worse job, he has a worse points total at this point... different thing.
What on hells earth do some people see when it comes to Liverpool football club,I use club because its not just about what's going on on the pitch our club is getting healthier as each month passes by.our general play has improved ten fold everyone and there granny can see thats what we need a striker it's that easily fixed,goals win you games and that's what we're well short of possession in most games is excellent chances being created is excellent chances being converted is poor striker or two bought in jan problem solved. Young team many years of getting stronger also with a young manager that knows what course his ship is sailing me I'm well pleased the future looks bright the future is red.
Gee man
Fans dont provide solutions 3rd poster and its not their place to do so. That job rests with the owners.
Hodgson doing a better job....are you serious?
He had a superior squad yet he still got the sack! Oh as well as destroying Reina's confidence and alienating Agger, oh and signing Konch & Poulsen.
Look at the way England are playing, just like we were, lacklustre & predictable.
I did not like it when hodgson was manager we were rubbish but he had no money to spend and made bad mistakes with the players he brought in.
kk and br had a better deal ,i hope things go better for br but he in my opinion has made similar errors to hodgson by buying the players he has and going after others he worked with before as well ,just look at what this did to hodgson.red mick tag
Is this Rafa 'Fact' Benitez trying to get his old job back!!
Fact! i'd have Rafa back in a heart beat!
06 Nov 2012 17:11:30
Ed, what is ur opinion on Llorente?
I can't believe the amount of talk on here about him, hes not great, hes barely even decent!"
everyone seems to hear that a few bigs clubs are a bit interested in him and just jump on the band wagon saying we shud definately sign him :/
Jak {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}
Bollox,he is class,great in the air,great on the ground and knows where the back of the net is,I would love lfc to get him but don't think we will
Good player but not great, Would he help take us to the next level? Probably. I'd rather go for Huntelar though, Llorntte's goals to game ratio is pretty ill. Plus Huntelar has proved he and Suarez play very nice together. I know it was part as a threesome (saucy) but throw Sterling in their and we''ll get a lot more bang for our buck.
JohnBoy
06 Nov 2012 16:38:56
In all honesty I'm absolutely shocked by peoples lack of basic football knowledge and common sense on this site.
If you can't see that Joe Allen is a good footballer and doing a good job in midfield then you should really go and start supporting rugby, cricket or some other sport,, footballs just not for you,
You're only embarrassing yourself and the rest of us Liverpool fans who actually know a thing or two about the game
People are entitled to their opinion. If someone says Allen is not a good player, so be it, at the end of the day its all about opinions.
Joe Allen is a great footballer, he will improve and if Lucas can stay fit this will allow BR to free both Allen and Gerrard more freedom. BR likes to rotate between one sitting and two infront or two sitting and one infront, dependent on the opposition. Lucas is top class at sitting, breaking up play and moving the ball quickly onto the likes of Allen and Gerrard. You get the best out of Gerrard playing this way, as Alonso has stated.
Evo YNWA
But we can also disagree with their opinion. :o)
Phooey...
Only problem is if we play lucas and allen there is zero creativity in midfield. That would only work with a number 10 playing like Eriksen.
I agree with Brendan Rodgers and not some of the unqualified muppets on here!!
Joe Allen is a really good footballer that fits perfectly into the style of football we play.
kidmillions
06 Nov 2012 16:37:46
Glad to see Suarez getting as many goals as ge has done previously for clubs.
We all thought he hit the ground running and instantly settled at Liverpool, maybe we where all wrong and he's only now starting to show what he can really do.
I hope this form continues.
MIKEY
Does that mean we should give Andy Carrol more time?
I think suarez will become one of the best players in the world in the next two years. there is something about him that is just special. i hope we hold onto him for as long as we can.
YNWA
That world cup handball shows his true selfless nature. Team success is more important than whether he can showcase all his skill and watch from the sidelines.
Yeah your right we should give Andy Carroll more time! away from the home dressing room!
In my eye's Luis is already a legend to LFC!
The handball in the world cup against Ghana was very wrong! But can't fault his determination and passion for him and his team mate's to succeed! Everyone wether he's their cup of tea or not are in awe of his skill! He is the most talked about player in the premiere league! He's already a Red's legend in my eye'! Oh and Stevie G Has come out and said he is the greatest striker that he has ever played with! what's the saying? Take's 1 "legend" to know 1 "legend"
06 Nov 2012 16:30:16
Oh, I totally agree with everyone who has said he's getting better. Couldn't agree more. Plus, after not playing for a year it is going to take a while for him to settle in. I understand that too. The thing about Sahin is I feel like he was brought in to do the same thing Allen was brought in to do. Sahin surely can't play the holding midfield role. He's more of a deep lying playmaker (Xabi) with license to go forward as well. That seems to be exactly what Rodgers wants Allen to do (ideally, when Lucas is healthy). Neither of those 2 are an attacking midfielder like Shelvey and Gerrard (even though I don't think Gerrard has it in him to track back as much as is necessary in this system at his age).
I wasn't saying that he's a bad player at all, I think he's a very fine player and I'm happy he's at Liverpool. I was just raising the question of if he was worth signing on on a permanent basis (if possible) at the end of the season. I think those funds could be used more effectively, personally.
To touch on a few points that others have brought up. I watched plenty of Charlie Adam and Sahin is many levels above him. I'd never use the 2 names in the same sentence. Personally I still like Henderson as his work rate is really high and I appreciate that. I think he should get a go at the holding midfield role in a cup game perhaps. We can't risk running Stevie and Allen into the ground with too many games this early in the season. I also don't think that 24 is necessarily young for a football player anymore. These should be the beginning of the prime years in my opinion.
I think that the key position in this midfield 3 is the attacking midfielder. I don't think this is Gerrards best position at his age and it's almost a disservice to play him there every week. I'd really like to see an attacking mid brought in at some point (or let Shelvey play there) and give Gerrard some games wide right to create and score goals with Suarez. I think that'd be a better position for him at this point.
Lastly, I'm very happy with the direction the squad is going. I love what Rodgers is trying to do and how he's going about it. Building from the ground up, strengthening the squad along with the youth academy so they will be set up for the future. I believe building a squad this way is much more rewarding for us and them. I enjoy it much more than if Liverpool were owned by a billionaire who went out and bought 40 million dollar players each transfer window. It isn't as fast but it'll be much more rewarding if it works out. I'm excited to watch the team the rest of the year.
~Fresh
I would never use the names of Charlie Adam and Nuri Sahin in the same sentence either.....oops!
What about when we play stoke? "Charlie Adam gave the ball away to Sahin." I would have no issues saying that.
Or "Adam and Sahin both fail to track back. Holes appearing all over the midfield."
06 Nov 2012 16:19:03
i have a question for the ed
who would u take in january?
theo walcott or daniel sturridge
cheers {Ed002's Note - From what MAcca said there was interest in Walcott in the summer. An approach was also made to see if Chelsea would let Sturridge move on a loan. My feeling is a different solution might be the answer.}
Like a Carlton Cole different type of Solution
06 Nov 2012 16:16:53
Listen if we're going to go for Llorente then we might as well just bring Carroll back instead
I'm sorry but Llorente is 100x the player that bad potatoes is. Wonderful touch, vision, and finishing. Athletic Bilbao play pure Spanish football and he slots in perfectly. Sorry but Carroll is the worst signing we've ever made and will forever be ridiculed.
AsianRed
AsianRed, I agree with the positives about Llorente however the Carroll bit, like most negative comments on this site, is over the top.
Andy K
AsianRed is right about Andy "Get tangled up with your own leg's" Carroll! "Woeful" is the only word that come's to mind!
06 Nov 2012 16:03:21
This may sound stupid but apparently alonsp has had an argument at Madrid, and he has recently been on the lfc website stating Gerrard would fit into the Spain team. Am I looking too much into it or could there be more please answer :) thanks
YNWA
Your right, it does sound stupid.
MIKEY
You're looking too much into it lad, I have no doubt alonso will come back one day, but perhaps in a year or two.
AsianRed
06 Nov 2012 15:53:59
Ed been posting recently and dont seem to be getting any post through, I've checked the archives and some aint getting through any reason why? Heres a we bit out metal gonners post on the Arsenal page. more and more fans are taking note of what BR is doing.
Then there's Rogers. He's got a long-term plan at Liverpool and the players, fans and club really seem to be behind him. He's been bold where it counts- he's seen what Rahim can do on the left over Downing and he hasn't looked back. Top management. This directly opposes Arsene, which is odd considering the value AW places on his youth players and policy. remind me why Afobe got one chance in pre-season 2 summers ago, looked really good, and has since been on pointless loan spell to clubs who don't play like us? Also, remind me why we sold Bartley? More to the point though - Liverpool are playing really good football right now. Really good. Suarez's strike rate is so bad it hurts, that's the only reason why they aren't doing way better. They are doing everything right but put the ball in the back of the net. I saw Suso in pre-season and said that's the kind of young nippy wide player we need. He's been breaking into the first team. I get the feeling that if we did have Rogers here, most rubbish would have been sold or loaned, Eisfeld would be impressing in the first team, he'd also know how to use Gnabry, and a lot more of our first team squad would be benched in favour of talented, hungrier players. Sagna also wouldn't have simply walked back in to the first team because we are SO much better going forward with Jenko. But Rogers is off limits.
Some of our fans take note, this gonner had BR in his top 3 managers that he would have loved to take over from AW.
Scottybhoy1888 YNWA
Good post mate, don't knowwhat you're in the its gone sometimes. Thankfully I reckon BR work turn up into a seriousl force to be reckoned with. Plus he'll get a wee bit more time some on here would give him. If some people can't see that were a million times better than against West Bromwich Albion, then I'd say you're just being negative for re sake of it. Some can't or won't accept that Kenny's spell incharge was a disaster on so many levels it was scary.
JohnBoy
I would love it, really love it if Brendan was to leave us and go to Arsenal. Didnt want him in the first place.
Yeah you would love it but who would you have had in his place? Seriously if you have no answer to that whats the point of saying anything we clearly cannot have the likes of Guardiola at our club so stop being so delusional and respect Rodgers for all you know in a few years everyone in Anfield will be screaming his name.
06 Nov 2012 15:51:30
rodgers is doing a worse job than rh only playing better football is managerial stability all its cracked up to be? look at chelski constantly chop and change managers yet they are always getting cl football and challenging for the league and winning trophies and signing top players without managers in place. im not jumping on the bandwagon just the truth this is the worst liverpool team ive seen in my lifetime. how much i wish the king was still in charge say what u want about him yes he wanted them players last season but commoli done the negotiating fees and contract etc.. rodgers is using/hiding behind these young players to try and hide away from are poor start to the season and like it or not my fellow reds we are in relegation form and the scary thing is what experience does br have in relegation battles what experience does he have in premier league what top level experience has he got full stop. this isnt a dig just a lifelong fan from belfast im going to the wigan game and im not confident they have the same amount of points as us lol we have the wrong owners to concerned at cutting costs and wages which is ok to a certain extent but not with leaves us with a thread bare squad lacking quality and full of kids. the wrong md ian ayre reminds of parry to slow getting a deaL done and finally wrong boss yes he plays good football but there is about 10 managers in the epl alone id take ahead of him.
Personally I think managerial stability is well over-rated. It does have a fiscal impact though. Not sure of the exact numbers, but we must have spent 20M+ on fees and payouts changing managers the last 3-4 seasons.
Rome wasnt built in a day lad.
What planet are you on? These are halcyon day compared to the RH nightmare and it will come good. Forget the prices paid by KK or DC. Have the players proved good enough? The problem was paying over the odds for players who were unsuitable anyway and KK can't deny responsibility for that. Exactly the same thing happened at the end of KK's last spell - Jimmy Carter/David Burroughs/David Speedie etc.
Add to that the woeful handling of the Suarez affair which cost LFC dear in many ways and KK had to go. But I still worship him.
How much managerial experience did Sir Bob/ Joe Fagan/KK and Roy Evans have? Compare that with the extensive experience that GH/Rafa and RH had. What's the conclusion?
Barrym
Great post. Quite agree, this is the worst Liverpool team I have also seen in my time supporting the reds.
"look at chelski constantly chop and change managers yet they are always getting cl football and challenging for the league and winning trophies and signing top players without managers in place"
Why are they constantly chopping and changing mangers? Because, up until last season, none of them could win the champions league so all have failed.
They have a rich owner throwing money at the club. They'll always be there or there abouts.
I really don't get what you are saying and I don't think that you do either...
I wish you'd signed your name off so I don't have to read your posts again. Rodgers is hiding behind young players? No you person he did what no other manager before him did. He took a chance and gave them the chance they needed. It's not his fault we have a thin squad. The majority of the players left due to personal reasons, the only one he wanted rid of was Andy and rightly so, he's rubbish. Yes Comolli negotiated fees but at the end of the day Kenny identified targets and had the last say. And I see your talking about Chelsea chopping and changing managers, I'm here to remind you that we are not financially able to do that and it does not bring stability.
AsianRed
I stopped reading after that roders is doing a worse job than rh....I mean are u serious?
Shayan
Sly Manc alert....
"Great post. Quite agree, this is the worst Liverpool team I have also seen in my time supporting the reds"
Phooey...
06 Nov 2012 15:41:20
Not a rumour, but I just want to say I really, really, really want Jackson Martinez. Him and Suarez would be incredible. Not too expensive either.
Since when is 40m euros not expensive?
Porto never let their players go on the cheap...I doubt they will sell this year aswell
GuvTOB
Then we really, really, really should have bought him last summer.. club needs to start having faith in our scouts.. Falcao, now martinez.
U guna pay his release clause of 40m euro ..........
Where you get 40m from? lol {Ed002's Note - That is the fee Porto will be looking for.}
06 Nov 2012 15:40:27
I was looking at west brom game last night and I'm really impressed wat Clarke is doing.i was wondering if u can answer was he ever in frame to take over from kenny.he is young and a very good coach.thanks for your answer. {Ed002's Note - I would think not.}
So was Sammy Lee before he took over at Bolton.
BigD
06 Nov 2012 15:10:00
sorry eds might be a silly question but please answer
if you know.How strong are we in the transfer market please.
regards {Ed002's Note - I don't understand the questions, sorry.}
06 Nov 2012 15:06:55
Right I really am fed up with the amount of complete people sharing their opinions about Allen and being way off. I'll admit against Newcastle he did have a poor game but in every other match he's played he has been first class. Those of you that are saying he can't pass or beat players clearly haven't watched any of the games fully and are just tuning in to Match of the Day to see the highlights where of course they won't be showing any of that side of the game. I have seen on multiple occasions now Allen given a real suicidal pass by players such as Sahin and Gerrard, be surrounded by 2 or 3 of the opposition, turn each of them and come out with the ball. His passing is insane and just because he doesn't play the Hollywood pass every time he receives it people get on his back saying all he can do is play these little 5 yarders backwards and sideways. He is well worth the £15/16m we paid for him and will come even better once he's able to play a little higher up after Lucas' return. I find it disgusting how some of the so-called 'fans' on here are being so utterly vindictive towards a 22 year-old. Support your players for goodness sake.
People are entitled to their opinion and for £16m I expect alot more from a midfielder. He doesnt pass forward, doesnt run with the ball, cant beat a man, doesnt shoot - just tippy tappy back and forward - boring!
Boring? Guess you think some of the worlds best holding mids are boring too..
AsianRed
I don't know where you've got this "he can't beat a man" rubbish from. Do you watch the games?
Yeah mate people are entitled to their opinion but your talking b-----s. Allen is a fantastic player.
Original poster:
It's called having an opinion, that's what sites like this are for, to share your opinions. If peoples opinions make you that fed up, don't visit sites like these in the future.
Allen is a fine player. Worth 16M? Probably not, but BR wanted him, Swansea didn't really want to sell, so we had to pay over the odds to get him. Otherwise he's probably more in the 8-10M frame. Same problem we had with Carroll, Downing, Borini and many others. Frankly I think we need to start looking at who is available first rather than picking specific names and spending well over what they are worth to get them. Assaidi is a good example of value for money, I think.
06 Nov 2012 14:19:15
Haha..some people really have poor judgement..I know u understand nothing about football for slating allen...he isn't a defensive mid,but he frustrated fellaini twice his size...u never notice when he starts a lot of our attacks..he is being restricted by rodgers to play the safe pass,dumbass he is meant to keep the ball.and dictate play not play hollywood passes..just wait till lucas comes back then u can start running your mouth about him.and I don't see any striker who would move suarez out wide..I only see rodgers getting two goal scoring wingers to support suarez..when he buys those experinced players who can take up good positions when suarez draws defenders out those position..the goals will come.. any striker comiing in isn't going to play in that position ahead of suarez only if rodgers plays 4-4-2..which won't happen
06 Nov 2012 15:01:16
With all this scrutiny on Allen and Sahin, People seem to be forgetting the departure of Alonso all too quickly. Give them some time, Don't take our unsung heroes for granted.
I think they are forgetting/in denial about the real weak link in our defence. Gerrard.
MIKEY
Yes, I won't be upset when the inevitable happens. Lucas/Allen/Sahin midfield.
Alonso left quite a while ago and has done rather well for himself since he went!
"Alonso left quite a while ago and has done rather well for himself since he went!"
Did you completely miss the point of this post?
06 Nov 2012 14:34:13
Cant believe people are jumping on Joe Allen's back, he's 22, he's been very good at building the play up for us in a deeper role than he usually plays cos Lucas is out injured... As for people saying he never plays forward passes, as a footballer myself a forward pass isn't always the right decision, he finds players in space so fast its unreal and makes the right pass EVERY TIME, also when we break it's usually from Joe Allen breaking up the oppositions play and getting us forward quick. Some people even though they're entitled to their opinion haven't a clue what they're talking about, it's actually a joke.
"I like to control games. I like to be responsible for our own destiny. If you are better than your opponent with the ball you have a 79 per cent chance of winning the game...for me it is quite logical. It doesn't matter how big or small you are, if you don't have the ball you can't score." - Brendan Rodgers
"I get the ball, I pass, I get the ball, I pass, I get the ball, I pass." - Xavi.
There's no doubt we need more strikers but i think its our style of play we needed to work on and so far i think Rodgers and the players are doing a great job. I know posession doesn't win you games but against Newcastle we had around 68% for the game, 75%+ in the second half... Scary thought is when we get the strikers in i think we'll really start to see the results coming.
Rocky
You can have as much possession as you wish but the object of the game is to put the ball in the net. We may have had lots of possession against Newcastle but they also had chances to win it in the second half without lots of possession.
I think Allen is also looking to play the short one, twos around the opponents midfield, with no one anticipating or running towards him to play the ball off of. Once Lucas returns I believe we will see a change in this, and with that anyone who can't see now, will be able to see how talented Allen really is. When he has space to operate he is lethal, and can thread the killer pass we have been missing since Alonso left. Keep the faith, we are on the right track.
EMAN34
Can u name one clear chance they had?
People obviously don't read full posts but at the end of the day possession is key in football, yes we're not winning games but the football we're playing at times is brilliant, and only 5 months into Rodgers reign really i think he's doing a great job, lets not forget the players that needed to be shipped out and brought in, all we need now is 2 good strikers in January and we'll be flyin for the second half of the season. Even in the Newcastle game we had like 14 corners, we just need the strikers to finish those chances off, a Mario Gomes/Fernando Llorente striker.
I'm not gonna judge Rodgers til the last game of the season, but i believe in his vision and can already see the way we'll play football in the future
Rocky
06 Nov 2012 14:12:21
Can someone please tell me if I am reading this correct. A recent poster states that 'Allen is the best player in his position this side of Barcelona'. Please tell me I did not read this or am I going insane? {Ed002's Note -
I think what they meant was that ˜Allen is one of the worst player in his position this side of Barcelona'. (Slip of the fingers on the keyboard easily done)
Maybe your knowledge of football is as good as your reading skills.
Only an person would call Allen a poor player.
MIKEY
06 Nov 2012 12:42:22
Please read James Lawton's article in the Independent. For me, it put everything perfectly into perspective.....
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news- and-comment/james-lawton-time-for-fenway-to-back- brendan-rodgers-if-liverpool-are-serious-about-renaissance-8281257.html
06 Nov 2012 12:37:02
so fed up of so called fans that know there football, having a moan about us and the media.
BR has been in the job 5 min and already having a go.
roy hodgson that name ring a bell. that was not so long ago.
TIME is what is needed. BR has set his style of play and i love it.
YES we need a couple of strikers , the blind can see that. a biger stronger squad is needed. again it takes time to get rid of players you dont want.
remember sometimes players brought in take time to settle down, some might not make it. thats football.
alex ferguson did the same when he arrived at man u. He brought young kids in and built from there. look were they are now.
so leave off and watch us grow. ynwa
Im very sorry but this tippy tappy football is so boring. Keeper to fullback, fullback to centre half, centre half to fullback, fullback to goalkeeper ¦ so boring. Rodgers is way out of his depth at LFC.
Mr Rodgers has taken us to the bottom half of the Premiership and we have been knocked out of one cup by Swansea City and we are playing tippy tappy crappy football. What a great manager.
Yeah i suppose with the youngsters they can only get better cant get worse.
Roy Hodgson does indeed ring a bell, as does Kenny Dalglish. Neither were given enough time to properly build a squad by FSG.
I would like to know what makes Brendan Rodgers so special that he get's given time and why should he be immune from criticism, despite leading us to our worst start in almost 100 years?
Spot on comparing to Ferguson with Rodgers, remember he was on the verge of being sacked at Man Utd, the board under pressure from the fans didn't, the rest is history. Be patient red men
You are persons every single reply to this post. You don't know your football. Period. What spain played what the liverpool team we all knew in the 70's and 80's was based on pass and move. It is what he is trying. It is what made Liverpool a great club. It what makes spain practically unbeatable on there day. Its why England national team gets embrassed every international tournament because we don't play football the right way. These things take time. And the team is very young because of poor management by the directors of the club not to back BR when carroll was sent packing.
JD
Swansea beat us by playing "tippy tappy" football
Robbie
Some of you are so disrespectful on this site, you really are. Swansea city are a class act, i was at the game in the cup and they were absolutely brilliant. They give city a huge run for their money at the ethihad and ought to of won and got a draw against top of the table chelsea who might i add spent around 80 million this summer if im not mistaken? show some respect for other teams will you. Also if i remember correctly when hodgson and benitez were in charge you complained and complained about the none exciting football that was being displaced week in week out, now we have a manager who plays exciting football and has given the youngsters a chance which you all called for, for what seemed like an age. I read a response to my post that i sent yesterday and it complained about the fact that rodgers had got rid of the plus 30 players that we had last year , it truly is unbelievable. No manager will be able to stay in this job long enough to succeed now because the fans demand instant success all because 'we are liverpool' and we deserve better. We have no right what so ever to be in that top four, you have to earn it. No player will get a chance either because if they dont play like dalgleish in their first ten games or dont finish like rush in their first ten games they are completely written off. Its an absolute disgrace, shankley would turn in his grave if he knew how low some of us had sunk!
Ian the red
Alex ferguson did the same when he arrived at man u. He brought young kids in and built from there
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No he did n't , he bought experienced players in his first 2 years and spent a lot of money (for that time), the kids came from the academy that Ron Atkinson put in place before he was sacked. I think the only kid from that generation that signed under Fergie was Beckham.
Roy
I would like to know what makes Brendan Rodgers so special that he get's given time and why should he be immune from criticism, despite leading us to our worst start in almost 100 years?
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He does n't need a lot of money for a salary and budget.
Roy
No. Swansea beat us by using counter-attacking football.
BthekingB
06 Nov 2012 12:30:16
I dont believe Lucas and Allen can play as part of the midfield 3 together as neither offer a threat in attack! Allen isnt going to hurt anyone and as we know Lucas is there to break up play and do the simple things which he is fantastic at. Both players do the same job therefore when Lucas is fit id be tempted to put Allen on the bench as Gerrard, Shelvey and Sahin can all offer something in attack way more than what Allen can. Im not having a go at Allen he is a tidy player just dont see Lucas and Allen playing together althought theres no chance Brendan will drop Allen! Rob
Did Rodgers not say when Lucas returns that we will see another side of Allens game?
You obviously haven't got a clue mate!
if you actually watched the last 2 games, you'll have noticed that the LAST thing shelvey, sahin and gerrard do is TRACK BACK! leaving allen to try and mop up in a role he can't really play.
once Lucas is back the confidence will grow 200% as everyone in front of him, as well as behind, will know that he is there mopping up thereby allowing allen to move further forward and find killer passes, which i have no doubt he will.
if you need any evidence just watch a the last Wales games and you'll see that he was in the final third threading a through balls constantly.
for me the best midfield would be lucas, allen and sahin, with SG playing the RWF role which he did under rafa so effectively.
sinner21
06 Nov 2012 13:23:48
Allen has yet to "offer anything in attack" because he has been penned up trying to do Lucas' job while he is injured, along with his usual passing game.
When free from these duties, he is well capable of attacking runs and much more general attacking play.
Jolly Red
06 Nov 2012 10:46:34
If anything I'd try a midfield three of Lucas, Allen and Sahin
As for now I would have liked if Rodgers tried this: Gerrard protecting the back 4 whilst Suso & Shelvey as the 2 attacking midfielders. Cheers. ZA13
They are the best 3 footballing mids we have but Lucas has to get back from his injuries, remain fit and get back to the level he was. All of these look a tough ask at present. Some ACL reconstructions don't get back to top level sport even with all the treatment etc. Sahin looks like he is struggling with the pace of the premier league to me and it might take longer than his loan spell to fully get up to speed. I thought he would cope better tbh as he is a cracking footballer.
Simon
06 Nov 2012 10:22:16
I don't usually post OP but I just wanted to stick up for Allen as he seems to be coming in for increasing criticism on here by some.
I have to say he is the best player I have seen in his position this side of Barcelona.
Great first touch, always looking to get on the ball.
What impresses me most is his strength and manipulation of the game. He leaves 1 option open for his opponent and then steps in to intercept when they fall for it. Watch him and you'll see whether its to take him on or pass, it's more than reading the game it's getting the opponent to do what he wants them to do. And then for a small guy he holds off Yaya Toure etc easily to claim the ball and then uses it well.
For me it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the game to criticise a player for keeping the ball. Every pass requires an opponent to sprint to close down the player. If you make even 60 midfield passes that a lot of shuttles you opponent has to do. Later in the game that allows a hopeful long ball from Enrique to find Suarez because the midfield haven't got the legs to close the wide ares down. This is directly down to Allen keeping the midfield ticking with quick ball and dropping into deep areas to receive pulling the midfield of the other team towards him.
The other thing he does is want the ball under pressure to force the opponent to close him down. If he's deep and in acres of space the other team will cover the other players and not go to him so he looks for the ball under pressure. To maintain a 90 odd% ball retention under those circumstances is genius.
All I will say to his critics is to watch him. Don't expect 50 yard passes but watch what he does and what it makes the opponent do and then what it means for the game.
Great player and only 22.
Simon
Allen: ˜The best player in his position this side of Barcelona' - am I really reading this garbage!
Is this the same Allen I have watched for the last half a dozen games and been c**p?
Good to see Joe's mum contributing to the site.
Redpath
It's fine to disagree unnamed poster but its helpful for the discussion if you set out some reasons for your opinion like I did rather than just label it 'garbage'
Simon
Not good to see the moaners 'contributing' to this site.
The three posters above are not liverpool fans and simply have no idea about football simple as that. Been watching to much match of the day and listening to the footballing genious that is alan shearer.
Ian the red
Allen: doesnt pass forward, doesnt shoot, doesnt beat anyone, doesnt create ¦ need any more reasons?
I think Simon is correct. I also think that Downing is the best player this side of Barcelona in his position, Cole is the best player this side of Barcelona in his position and Henderson is the best player this side of Barcelona in his position. Agree?
Well said Ian. Shearer was a goalscoring genious, probably the best player ever in the Premiership.
I have a Season ticket at Anfield, so i have seen all of Allen's games at Anfield, and apart from the Swansea game, i never see him lose possession, make a bad ball, and he always wants the ball, creating space for himself, and for the size of him he gets stuck in,
I think he will go on to become a very, very important player for us, and once we finally get a goalscorer you stays in and around the box, we will see the best of Allen, making defence splitting passes,
Totally agree Simon. His last 2 games were under par for him. He still only lost posetion a handfull of times. Most midfielders would be happy with his stats from the last 2 games which some posters seem to think makes him awful! Even on a bad day, he is better than most. And as you say - he's only 22 FFS! I am more confident that we will retain possession when he is on the ball, or win it back when he is closing someone down than any other midfield player.
His quality is so obvious to me that it is unbelievable that some think he isn't good enough.
Nick
Give up Simon. A lot of English/British football fans just don't understand what a player like Allen brings to the team. It took Xavi until his mid-late 20s to be recognised over here.
Ash
BR has had little choice but to play Allen in a holding position with Lucas injured. This effectively means Allen's sits in an area which limits his ability to get forward and be creative. Lucas' return may give Allen more room to manoeuvere. Personally, I think Allen has been fantastic in breaking up the play and making the simple pass to start our wave of attacks. In fact, I would go as far as to say he has been one of our best players thus far! I thought true Liverpool fans understood the game and got behind the players, manager and owners....YNWA
If anyone has watched Joe play live and in person they will know what a good player he is. Battles, never loses the ball, always shows for it and keeps things ticking over just like Xabi did. And he is 22 years old?
Thanks Ian, Nick, Ash and others. I thought I was the only one who thought he was good for a bit there.
Just to add to that, Xavi (not saying Allen is as good as him just a similar type of player) has only scored 48 goals in 14 full seasons for Barca. You don't always have to provide a goal threat to be a good and important attacking player.
Allen's first 10 games; 92% pass completion out of more than 700. 8 chances created. 69% tackles won, 25 interceptions. All playing defensive mid. The number are easy to find on the official website. Disagree by all means but be right with your reasons.
Simon
Joe allen: playing the holding midfielder role. job? to keep the game flowing and break play up, similar role to lucas. How many goals has lucas scored since his arrival? Not many! yet everybody loves lucas but not joe. Why? they are playing in a similar role to each other and do the same job? Also we all know that his prefered role in the midfield three is in one of the advanced roles, where he is much more dynamic, so why when rodgers tells us this do people completely ignore what he says? Also no name, i never doubted alan shearer as a player, but i doubt his knowledge watching from the sidelines. He has no right to slag joe allen off because the role that he is playing is the role he has been asked to play by rodgers. This criticism is unwarrented and completely unfair. Also shearer wasn't the best player in the prem because he was never as good as fowler. Fowler was never picked for england because his face didn't fit and its as simple as that!
Ian the red
If some person thinks joe allen is garbage surely he must also think xavi is garbage.
Ian the red, sounds like you listened to BR when he explained Allen's role in the whilst Lucas is out injured. I am glad you did because it sounds like most people posting here didn't!!
It's not Allen's role but he understands it and knows how it works from his time at Swansea. BR has massive faith in Lucas...and Allen.
06 Nov 2012 17:11:25
Going to stick up for Simon here.
Most EPL teams play with 4 or 5 midfielders. Brendans system plays 3 midfielders and 2 wides, not necessarily wingers. Lucas is one of the premier holding midfielders in the league and after fighting hard to come back from a torn ACL he gets hurt early in the 2nd game of the season. Joe Allen was asked to slide back and play the Lucas role because he has the best grasp of Brendans system. It's not his natural position but he slots into the role.
The Brendan system is a possession system which means building from the back. It's designed to attract the opposition attackers and midfielders up the field and to play the ball behind them into the space they have vacated. To attack from the back you have to have the ability to change the point of the attack from the back either left central or right wing. The holding midfielder is essentially the conductor of the orchestra in his role. He steers the possession left or right or forward or back. When a play breaks down as it will, and the attackers (sterling, Suso and Saurez) don't become the 1st line of defense then the holding central midfielder becomes the most exposed because he is usually in in 2 v 1 or a 3 v 1 situation with the counter.
Lucas endured years of abuse when he started learning this role too.
The start of part two is the explanation of the midfielders role.
Chi-Paul
Well sad Chi-Paul, but some doughnuts will still not understand your explanation.
As spot on as it was..
Phooey...
Ya lost me there Phooey?
06 Nov 2012 10:19:33
Eds I know you hate these kinds of questions, but how much BR want for Suarez in the transfer window given his form continues? {Ed002's Note - I would very much doubt that he wants to sell and it is not down to Rodgers to put prices on players.}
AF trying to pinch our players ;))
Or BR selling him for 50m and buying anither caroll!
06 Nov 2012 10:12:41
Ive read about this topic in the past few weeks and i like the thought of it. I reckon Gerrard would benefit if he was to move to CB... He has not got the engine or pace anymore to beat players and go box to box. I really think he should contemplate it after this season. Gerrard could be as good as a centre half as any in the BPL.
He has the ball playing skills of Agger, and strength and prowess of Skrtel. The next Lothar Matthaus?
Barry B
I for one - at this point of time - would like to see him more as a DM or maybe as a CF. Cheers. ZA13
06 Nov 2012 10:03:07
One thing thats wrong with our club,loyalty to liverpool born players,steven gerrard needs some time on the bench,carra should not be anywhere near the first team no more,adam morgan already looked out of his depth in the first team,but still gets in before michael ngoo,GIVE BIG NGOO A GO......
What sort of a manager picks a team with the attitude "lets give him a shot" or "i think i might try this one or that one". Its what you do day in day out in training that decides if you get to play or not and we dont see that, but the manager does. so we have to trust his judgement
06 Nov 2012 07:53:37
If Suarez is rested on Thursday will Dani Pacheco be getting a chance?
Do the Ed's rate Pacheco as an option, seems odd with so few options that we wouldn't give him a shot?
Cheers
Red Lee {Ed001's Note - Pacheco has issues, he was being allowed to go because of them, prior to Rodgers' arrival. Rodgers gave him a last chance to show what he could do, I think it was his 3rd last chance now! He had a run out, he didn't play well, now he just needs to work hard to get another. If he can raise his game and work hard in training, then he can be an excellent option, but it is really down to him.}
Hi Ed, could you tell us a bit more on Pacheco's problems? is it his attitude or something else? I remember reading about him getting slapped by Riera during training because of his arrogance. Cheers. ZA13 {Ed001's Note - he doesn't put in the effort, the arrogance can be a good thing, if it is in tandem with hard work. Unfortunately Pacheco's is more of the 'I already know it all so why should I bother' kind.}
I think it is any manager's job to deal with characters in his team- if there is a particular one who is arrogant or thinks he knows it all then the manager should earn his salary by rectifying the player's issues. IF BR can show he has the man management skills to do this with Pacheco it will be beneficial for all involved.
06 Nov 2012 09:43:23
suarez all ready on 30 goals a season
huntellar 20-25 goals a season
james mclean swap for downing or henderson and some cash
ryan shawcross benchwarmer
cabaye +9 million for carrol
Mclean has been awful for Sunderland this season, as has Johnson who was meant to be the bargain of the usmmer and Sessengon.
No conincidence that Fletcher is the only player to score so far this season.
Think Mclean might just be a six month wonder.
Jay
06 Nov 2012 09:11:09
I just read that Lille are considering on taking Cole I hope BR doesn't stand in the way of that happening for a bonus I think we should add Downing as well and a bag of LFC practice balls with the offer C'mon LFC let's get it done!!
What lille said was that his wages would be the stumbling block even if he went for nothing. If joe had any conciense he would go for a lot less wages than he is getting here
06 Nov 2012 08:39:43
Some so-called pundits and opposition fans saying "if it wasn't for Suarez Liverpool would be in sh*t".
Eh, 'xcuse me, isn't Luis Suarez a Liverpool Football Club player/employee? Isn't playing for the club and scoring goals actually what he gets paid to do?
Exactly what's the point of this "point", huh?
Is this what the once respected profession of journalism has come to?
Wannabe "bloggers" and pseudo experts/pundits spouting the most pathetic drivel to get attention.
Has banter degenerative to such ridiculous lows?
You know something is amiss when the only fountain of sense and intelligence is Gary Neville.
FFS!
WILLIE
U consider kk, Rush, fowler, gerrard legends??
if so were they not paid by the club?...
its not about the money u pay...sometimes its just more than that..
suarez is the only player in liverpool now who can walk into any team in the world..
just and just accept it..
he is and will be the saviour for us..
06 Nov 2012 07:59:05
Eds, do you know of anyone in particular that our scouts have been watching in La Liga of late? {Ed002's Note - Of late and in particular, no. However scouts are attending matches all of the time and there is nothing to say that there is not particular interest in one player or another.}
06 Nov 2012 07:31:48
I still cant believe shelvey missed that sitter, krul was nowhere near to make a save and the kid misses a winning goal (i know hes young and blah blah blah) but seriously?
And saw Klaas jan huntelaar , man the guy is all we need but i've a feeling he'll go to juve or city.
REDistani........YNWA
I think Huntelaar would be great for us, he has experience which we are desperatley lacking in the team, especially in the forward areas.
He's tall and strong, good in the air but has good technique as well.
Him and Walcott in the january window for good prices due to their contratc situation and I would be excited about the second half of the season.
Jay
City dont need any more strikers.
06 Nov 2012 07:09:05
Borrell's side remain the only unbeaten U21 side in the country.
Thanks Rafa!
Thanks Borrell! After all he is the one who is coaching them.
There must be a striker in that team who can help the first team and Suarez out!
Hope Pacheco gets a chance on thursday.
Jay
Rafa just got him to liverpool,he didnt teach him how to coach,so thank u borrell.
Why does it have to be one or the other? This site is so polaric. Thanks Rafa and Borrell.
Andy K
06 Nov 2012 06:53:36
i thinks its really funny the way people on here give prices for players , since when did they become agents and know how much players cost , we dont have a clue what BR is getting off fsg to spend or how much we will get for players like downing or cole who by the i would give him away to save on his wages , downing will go for cheap as will carrol
Have a feeling stoke will look to buy downing
Can I offer my services to drive him there myself?
Weyland Yutani
06 Nov 2012 04:23:14
Ed2 mate we all know how money is tight at livertpool but Rodgers thinks different he says we can get up to 3 quality players but after what happend last transfer window my hopes are low what do you think mate especially the way Rodgers has been talking to media about buying players. Do you think owners will be happy the way Rodgers talks about players in his every interview. {Ed002's Note - Will these be the three £30M players the fans crave?}
A wee bit cheeky there ed to an honest question, certainly doesn't seem to be one of the 'but messi, ronaldo and iniesta' brigade {Ed002's Note - There is no doubt in my mind that the owners will continue to be supportive - within certain constraints.}
1. Rodgers and everyone else knows we need at least 3 players that can improve the 1st team so he's publicly asking for money to buy them.
2. Rodgers knows that he probably won't be given money for 3 good players so he is asking for more to negotiate for maybe 1 or 2 good ones.
3. Rodgers sees that the owners are on rocky ground with a vocal section of the fan base so maybe feels that now is a good time to use that leverage to push the owners a little knowing that his job is safe (the owners won't let him go due to cost of compo for him, his staff, his replacement and financial backing of the new guy plus it won't improve the standing of the owners to have 3 managers and a record of consecutive lower league finishes on their record)
Rodgers just might be able to get some money this window. Not huge but decent. I expect quiet signings like Assaidi to come in. And expect more starts/cameos for Cole, Downing etc to push them into the shop window over the next 2 months.
Simon
06 Nov 2012 01:48:41
i still don't know why Ngoo hasn't had even a sniff at playing for the first team. he is the striker that is in form for the reserves and is the biggest threat every time i see him play.
His strength and physique are his biggest assets that's why he looks good against kids. Chuck him in the prem and what would he bring?
MIKEY
Look at Sterling's physique! what do'es he bring to the premiere league? Skill determination excitement etc! Ngoo know's where the net is and is also a big lad who can handle himself! What's your point MIKEY?
06 Nov 2012 01:41:47
Eds, fellow Reds
Do u think its best to sell a top class player when they reach around 28 years old for a high profit i.e, torres 50 mill then use the money to buy top prospects like we did with Suarez?
And do you think this is the sort of thing FSG had in mind with agger? And is this the sort of money ball thing they're into?
Just some food for thought really
Shak Attack
With this attitude , you will never win anything. You need experienced players. Young players, although enthusiastic, can be naive.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
Well it worked well for us in regards to suarez whos doing alot better than torres
Shak Attack
^ yeah but imagine the two of them up front together!
06 Nov 2012 01:27:24
hi eds or anyone else who knows, when does the 5 yellow cards thing end? is it start of December or is it start of jan?
I think we can safely say that Luis will be getting a ban. Most likely before the end of November! I won't be surprised one bit when he accumulates 10 yellows. He is just that type of player, and I wouldn't have him any other way!
Nick
06 Nov 2012 00:43:31
I really hope we get rid of cole & downing these guys are way to overrated! We need better young quality at cheap price! Come on LFC let's get Zaha
Who in their right mind would buy them?
Overated? No one rates the in the slightest.
05 Nov 2012 23:09:49
as a liverpool fan, quite frankly most of these rumours disgust me.
we are NOT going to re-sign Torres. NEVER. he doesnt want it, we dont. end of.
To everyone making up rubbish about Huntelaar. Grow Up. Total rubbish. have we signed anyone overr 25 in the alst 2 years, let alone 29. it wont happen.
Theo Walcott will Not come to liverpool. He has no interest in leaving Arsenal to come to Liverpool and play in exactly the same position (is he likely to get the number 9 role over suarez? thought not)
i do believe we will sign players in January, but let us all pray the money is not wasted on such rubbish as fabio borini (worst firs-touch in the prem) or pass-back Allen who i have yet to see play one defence splitting pass. we cannot continue to rely on gerrard to create, yet in the last 2 games he is the only miudfielder to attempt a cutting pass.
so, we need a striker, obviously, and i believe that the most obvious choice will be sturridge, and this is more reasonable, he will leave chelsea in january when they further improve their strikers, and chelsea do not see us as a threat so this is a v ery possible transfer, as long as chelsea will agree to the £12 million we will offer. I believe they will.
more importantly however, is signing a winger, in rodgers formaiton, the wide strikers/wingers are crucial, and while sterling has been a revelation, he should not be the most under pressure player when aged 17 (i personally know him as he went to the same school as me and he does not seem the type to struggle under pressure, it is still unfair on him) and suso is not ready to be the first team regular. i just pray that we do not sign walcott for this position, we must look afar and sign a skillful foreign winer with pace and the ablity to finish. whilst getting rid of some of the worst liverpool players i have ever seen (downing, borini, joe cole, etc.)
that is all. sorry for the length but i thought it was necessary. opinions ed002?
RyanThe Red
We were after Clint Demsey at the end of the last window. He's 29. Alan Deejay.
An why do we need a striker from abroad we need a player who can score like sturridge our bent I'd have a 1 eyed fat division 2 player if he scored goals fazak l f c
Downing was over 25 when he signed, Doni was too, Bellamy also
Downing was 27..
YNWA! (Adam)
Why is it that lucas is classed as a great player( no defense splitting passes, few if any goals side and back passes) but joe allen is criticised mercifully on here by some for playing exactly the same way,with the difference that he rarely gives the ball away.I think some on here would moan if iniesta was playing for us and had one bad game
RyanThe Red, perhaps you should have paid more attention while at school and learned to spell
05 Nov 2012 21:21:26
Eds, with many rumours linking Enrique with a move, who is actually an option to replace him who we might be interested in? Same with Reina? Thanks Eds, keep up the brilliant work! YNWA {Ed002's Note -It is far too early to say - I think you are expecting too much in January if you think Reina will leave then.}
05 Nov 2012 23:59:43
I don't think we'll sign Lewis Holtby and I've got a feeling he will follow the money and go to the Etihad.
Holtby City?
Rigsby.
After reading that joke i'm half expecting to hear crickets or see a tumbleweed blowing across the screen...
YNWA! (Adam)
05 Nov 2012 23:38:26
Like someone posted earlier, if we could get an out and out striker that would mean Suarez pushed to the wing which would also mean that Suso should get a chance to play CAM which I feel he can be more effective from. What do you guys think?
Ghandi Floss
I doubt very much that BR will drop Gerrard for Suso regardless of form.
05 Nov 2012 23:30:43
In the wake of this whole 'striker crisis' everyone forgets about Dani Pacheco. Surely he'd be ahead of Yesil and Morgan? Brendan mustn't be keen on him or something? {Ed001's Note - his attitude hasn't improved, he has had chances and not played well, it is very unlikely he will get yet another chance.}
Ed1 did you get the chance to watch him last night against wolves under 21s , he was moved at half time into the cetral strikers position and played a blinder , im not a manager but you dont have to be to see that pacheo is better than cole and downing and even henderson all who get a start in the first team , so if i was pacheo i'd be dissapointed at not getting a chance after performances like the one against wolves {Ed001's Note - he wasn't getting the chances because of his attitude, if he works on the training pitch then he will get more chances.}
Ed seems really a nuteral person...
last season we had another ed who said...the same...
what the hecking hell did henderson did in 38 gmaes wen he was given chance time and time again by KK...
absolute usless..
just blown away 16 mill in water...
If attittude decides who geth the chance..then C,Ronaldo will never get a chance..
I think its skill and ability decides who gets a chance..
look city..tevez..balletolli...
What you say about c.ronaldo is far wrong your clearly clueless what he means about attitude, ed means how hard he works in training, his punctuality and his general mood around melwood, c.ronaldo has always been praised highly for his hard work in training and about tevez and balo they are some of the top players in the world paccheco is a 21year old who hasnt lived up to his hype {Ed001's Note - spot on, you have to work on the training ground to earn the right to be on the pitch, he doesn't, Ronaldo does.}
05 Nov 2012 23:23:28
think rodgers isnt playing the exact right team right now, but the signings hes made?
allen-absolute quality young british talent
sahin-european star, big at dortmund
and what hes making of some of the players stepping up also, some of these youngsters have been like a new signing
sterling
shelvey
wisdom
suso
think we finnally have a manager who likes and knows young talent when he sees it!
Well said mate best post of the day!
Ignore everyone else Allan is amazing
I have to slightly disagree with your post.
I dont think Sahin is as good as he is made out to be. He's ok, i think Shelvey should be playing instead of him and when Lucas comes back he wont get his game.
Think about it, would you really want Liverpool to spend 10-15M on him at the end of the season?
Barry B
Sahin needs time. He has been in and out of the team and is coming back after nearly the whole season out. Jury out at this point but the signs are there.
Andy K
05 Nov 2012 22:18:35
I don't think its possible to ballance the books just yet with a 45k stadium and a horrible squad that don't merit top 4 to get CL money.
So our owners need to get thier priority right this window if we ever wish to move forward.
As a matter of urgency, FSG must make money available this Jan for at least 3 quality players to cover the one we failed to sign in January and 2 more to strengthen our squad.
My pick among those we've been linked with would be:
1. Pierre Aubameyang 12m
2. Dries Mertens 10m
3. Tomer Hemed 7m.
Total: 29m
we dont need to waste money, time or energy on either Walcot, Sturidge or Huntelar as their clubs don't want to let go for cheap.
Then we need to move out some light weights in our squad as well.
Out: Carrol 15m, Downing 8m, Wilson 1m, Spearing 2m, Pacheco 1m, Carrager reitires. Total 27m.
If u won't play Hendo, then sell him as well if we can get at least 10m and use that to sort other areas.
No more room for sentiments at LFC please.
Nobody will pay £15m for Carrol
You are right because we would neverr let him go for under 17m
05 Nov 2012 22:17:48
I'm currently scouting Klass Jan Huntelarr on ITV 4 will report back to you within due course.......
05 Nov 2012 22:12:53
Hope Liverpool do sign Alvaro Negredo.
His record is 1 in 2 for club (Sevilla) and country (Spain).
Scores tap ins, volleys, Headers, one on ones and thunder bolts from distance.
Dreadful player ..... didn't you see the Euro's ?
Played only one game ahead of torres..
negredo is a decent enough player...better than 35 mill man caroll...
05 Nov 2012 22:05:02
In Brendan we trust
Ack17
Liverbird upon my chest forever
We have to hope
But when will they bring Ian Rush back?!?!
05 Nov 2012 22:02:06
There's a famous 70's commentary that states "goals pay the rent and Keegan gets his share".
Well with an RVP type modern day goal scorer we would be top 4 (Arsenal did so last season and Man Utd could win the league just on the back of his goals).
What I'm trying to say is Chelsea miss Drogba, Arsenal miss RVP and we have never replaced the goals of Torres. What concerns me is that Rodgers philosophy appears to be to try and get 3 strikers at 10 goals each rather than one striker of 25+ and ask the rest to chip in with 5-15 each. This is worrying because if our front 3 only score 30 odd and the midfield about 20 between them then that's nowhere near enough goals unless you can stop conceding, let's face it we cannot keep clean sheets against decent forwards.
This season we are in serious trouble results wise even if we play good football. Another saying about managers is "it's a results business". Well results did for Rafa, Roy and Kenny why should Brendon get more than 1 season? If he turns it around by signings in Jan then top 6 will be ok, outside top 6 and he should go, don't care how long his contract is for.
If Pardue, Redknapp and Moyes can do it with similar money and squads then why should he get longer?
ALB.
And where has going from one manager to the next got us ALB? We need to stabalise and build from the bottom up. When we say that we are in a transition period, it starts with the new manager, not the 20 years since the last title. Everytime you change a manager, you start again. Hopefully that makes some sense. We need to stop looking at 1 season at a time but look longer term. It takes a few season for a manager to build their squad let alone the core of players to know it to pieces. And before anyone says it, I think Kenny deserved another year on this basis however I can see where FSG came from in that they are looking long term and Kenny wasnt the answer.
Andy K
06 Nov 2012 06:35:56
Ha what a joke you are, redknapp didn't spend money are u mad? Over 4 years he spent a fair bit of cash and so has pardew not as much as redknapp tho and as for moyes Everton have had a fair few seasons where the underacheived but let's get it right it may have took 10 years but moyes has got a good Everton team together which could be together for 5 years plus young talent and keeps adding to his squad he has got it right. Brendan to go after 1 season? Your a douche bag he has been given a crap squad mostly put together by king kenny and there isn't 1 decent signing he made, br needs time to put his squad together and don't forge the was given a 5th of what dalglish was and we look a better team already!!
05 Nov 2012 21:50:55
For all you fans please note that Brendan Rogers will be a great manager for Liverpool! He needs a few transfer windows to clear the dead wood get his own signings playing football the way he wants.
For those having a go at Joe Allen and Borini, I can tell you now that Joe is an Attacking deep lying midfielder currently playing as a Defensive Midfielder. He will move forward as soon as Lucas returns. So lay off the guy as he has been playing out of position. Check video clips (if you did not see Swansea play last season) you will see what I mean.
With regards to Borini, he was bought to be eased in to the side, but due to transfer day blunder, he has been rushed into squad. When fit, you will see a different Borini play in a well balanced side. He should be our 4th striker! You say 10 million was a lot, but he is only 21. Is Giroud better than Borini? Give him time! Hod many 21 old strikers can hit the ground running?
RedRUM
Well said in glad to see there's more fans thinking like I am...
One good point...giroud never better than boroni..
05 Nov 2012 21:50:52
Cozinoz,
Not once said i wanted Rodgers out. My beef is with the decision to give him the job in the first place. Rather than trawl through a 180 page dossier, i'd rather Rodgers showed FSG his very impressive successful career.....exactly.
Now i agreed with the decision to sack Hodgson, i agreed with the decision to give KD the job until the summer. That is where the good decisions stopped with FSG.
Rather a little like Rafa, living off the CL win for 2 years, FSG have used and abused the tide of goodwill created by their 'saving' of the club in 2010. They have been consistent, i will give them that. Consistent blundering.
I do not subscribe to their view that the sacking of KD was a mixture of lack of CL football with 'KD always knew when we found a younger manager he would step aside'. So why did they give him a three year contract and admittedly money to spend, although the myth of a hundred million never seems to include the £57M from Torres & Babel?
You cannot give a new manager a 3 year deal, money and then not the time to see out 'our 5 year plan'. I cannot for the life of me get my head around it. To then hear 'we'd have still sacked him had he won a cup double' was quite frankly disrespectful.
So with those comments ringing in my ears, along with Tom Werner's incessant ramblings of 'CL has to be achieved' they go and appoint......Brendan Rodgers, quickly followed by the farce of the August transfer window.
I am supposed to follow blindly? No. Whether KD was the answer or not, this season would have answered the question. He should have been allowed to continue before scrapping the 'the 5 plan' for 'the project philosophy'
I'm sure the majority of fans would have said enough is enough if this season followed last season. Remember up until March we were 5th, won a cup and in the semi's of another.
In my mind FSG have taken us backwards from their initial good start. With their mantra we should be going the other way or do you need to remind yourselves of the interview Henry gave in Dec 2010 when he actually said 'by 2013 we will be a force to be reckoned with, on and off the pitch'
We're just under 2 months away from that statement. H&G may now be gone, but let's not kid ourselves that FSG are actually all that because quite frankly they havent a clue and to me they're doing a great job of proving that.
Bob the Red, the crap supporter who dares to diss the very people who saved our club from extinction. Can hear it already.
Hope u dnt mind me putting my point of view to what ur saying
I love KD mate he's a ledgend but he used all that money we made from selling top class players on downing, henderson, adam, carroll, enrique and co and by doing so set us back atleast 2 seasons. Okay most the money was from sales of liverpool players but the money wasnt used wisely
KD done extremely well with a very mediocre team by winning a cup and a fa cup final but coming from a big KD fan of KD i can honstly say i feel alot more excited about the future of our club now
The owners made mistakes but they still have time to rectify the problems in the next couple transfer windows
If we wasnt cheated out of the 3 points at everton we'd only be 4 points from top 4 with the youngest team in the PL and thats without kuyt, maxi, bellamy etc at his disposal which KD had
Shak Attack
I have a number of points to make starting with the fact that in 14 months, it will still be 2013, so let's maybe review John Henry's statement then. I thought Kenny should have been given another year however I can understand why they thought that now was the time to move on. I heard rumours that Kenny wasnt against this idea either but have no idea how true that is. Did Werner say that CL has to be achieved this season or did he say that for the club to be successful that we need to achieve CL? It makes a big difference. You are more than entitled to your opinion, mate, and I dont think having issues with the club makes you a bad supporter per se however there are a large number of positives that have happened since BR took over and I can see him going on to be a legend for us. I like the direction that FSG are heading. They have made mistakes and will make more however I believe in their model. Kenny has gone. Whether you believe it was right or not no longer matters. Accept it, move on and look to gain some joy from supporting our club and all the great things it offers.
Andy K
Indeed you never said you wanted BR out, Bob, and I never said you did. I never said you were a crap supporter, I said you are not a supporter (as in the actual definition of the word).
I honestly cant be arsed to continue this debate. You were admirably one of the staunchest posters on here when KK was getting criticised and I've enjoyed your previous posts. I just don't see why you don't transfer that support and patience for Rogers seeing as he's in the same boat as Kenny. He needs time - Dalglish wasn't allowed that luxury as you have pointed out - and he needs support. Drag your chin off the ground and rediscover the positivity and passion that made your posts worthwhile when KK was in charge.
cozinoz
So you dont think the owners have given the money to achieve that , kenny wasted money on carrol , downing , henderson and adam , even one of the board members said carrol was not worth 35 mill but they khew we had the money so would not budge on the 35 mill even when we bid 30 mill for carrol , then 20 mill for downing , what has any of the players kenny bought brought to our club , their C.V's have nothing in them , but BR had to replace maxi,kuyt and bellamy and he got shafted by the owners in the summer over a striker , wich could turn out to be a blessing , but why dont you wait till the end of the season to judge BR and the team
mickey b
Well Bob, I am replying to your post just because I disagree....Why not see pros and cons of both KD and BR managerial reign till todate...sounds better way..hunn..:
KD Pros: 1) Started off better. Had a great first half of season.
2) Great Going in cup comps..Wembley exp was invaluable for most players in our team
3) Had a good eye for youngsters. Gave flanno and robinson first team chances.
Cons: 1) By second half of season he had lost ideas to change tactics.
2) Very poor descision making in subs
3) PR handling got worse with season
4) His fetish in having british players as backbone of team fired back terribly...Carroll,downing and henderson...all failed to deliver in his time...
BR Pros: 1) Innovative in tactics
2) Have balls to make bolder descisions in giving so many youngsters chance in first team
3) Eye for unearthing hidden gems
4) Not afraid to admit mistake and try to amend in half time..
5) Good footballing philosophy and hard worker..
Cons:
1) Honestly not much he has done wrong since he came..
2) 10-15 games is hardly a time to crucify anybody
Well anybody will agree only if you are patient enough to support the gaffer!
I personally believe BR has got in him enough to see the better of last 2 decades this club has witnessed....YNWA
Indian with Red Heart
And there is the problem. Too many fans banging on about KK who had clearly lost the plot. We need stability, not knee jerk reactions after 10 games. Like it or not, we are a logo way from competing at the top end. We can whine, or we can get behind the team
Bob, nice to hear from you again fella!
I don't agree with your sentiment though>>>
Like it or not (and I don't like it) Kenny was sacked because of the Suarez affair. Its that simple. If that had never happened then Kenny would still be here.
jonnyarnes89-90
Your far too hasty with your assessment. Your trying to see round corners and then say " I told you so!" I must be honest Bob this sort of posting makes me sick.
kidmillions
Like many posters have said Bob you seemed to be the staunchest Liverpool fan on these pages before. The only thing that has changed is the manager so why have you changed? Can only conclude that you weren't supporting Liverpool before you were supporting dalglish. We all love him mate but he did not achieve what he set out to, his job was to improve the league position and it got worse after 100m. Say what you want about net spend it is still money spent even if it was recovered by other transfers. It's a strange way to look at business finance.
As for Rodgers cv when Kenny first took over as player manager what managerial experience did he have? Rodgers has more now than Kenny did then but is not in the luxurious position of inheriting one of the greatest squads ever. JustIgive br some time, not asking you to lie Ihim, just give him time.
Nevada
Lesson here don't dare dis our rulers on this site...
Unfortunately it appears that most of the fans who were barracking others for not wanting to give Kenny more time (and even more money) are the same fans who now want a manager fired after 10 league games (I don't include you in that, Cozinoz).
I personally think that if BR is given some more cash to buy 1 or 2 more players, it will make all the difference. I have seen plenty from us to suggest that we are on the right track. I didn't feel like that during the last 12 months of KK's reign.
Ash
Like our poor defence Ash?
05 Nov 2012 22:33:06
Well done dani pacheco on scoring two hope he will get a chance and congrats to joao carlos texieria on scoring and assisting on his debut high hopes for the lad him n suso will be liverpools equivalent to xavi n iniesta.
ACHILLES.
I second that. I know the step from U21 to first team is huge, but Pacheco was everywhere in that game. Maybe moving Suarez to support striker and giving Dani a run out as striker may save us some money in the long run. Joao Carlos needs to show Jonjo how to convert a ball that comes to you quickly, as he did very well to take his goal.
ChrisE
05 Nov 2012 22:26:50
I think its time to play Suso in the hole behind Suarez and drop Gerrard. Suso is just class.
Mighty reds
Dropping Stevie is a bit strong mate.
Maybe just tell him to settle down a bit. get in his and Luis' ears and mention they're trying to force the issue a little too much and giving the ball away to often... surely that'd do the trick.
Also that would allow Sterling and Assaidi play on the wings!
HK
I think it's worth a shot. Assaidi, Suarez, Sterling. Suso, Sahin, Allen.
How can you say he is class what has he done when in the first team , i see a young player over awed but he is young and i am just a fan what do i know.
Football Manager addict!!