Liverpool Banter Archive November 06 2015

06 Nov 2015 22:37:21
I am wondering if anyone watches LFC games on line via subscription? I live in the US and catch games via nbc sports as it comes with my cable package. Might ditch cable but have to make sure I get to see my squad. Thank.

07 Nov 2015 01:36:44
I do sometimes, it's a good way to catch up but broadcast is obviously delayed by a day or so. Quality is fine so Long as a decent connection and I tend to watch on ipad and plug into a TV. They also have a good 10mins highlight summary of games if you don't have time to watch every match.

Hardest part is holding off looking up the scores while waiting for the games to be uploaded!

07 Nov 2015 02:38:06
Sorry zimbo. not sure I understand what site you use? I saw sky sports but seems expensive. I want to find a cheap live feed.

Thanks.

06 Nov 2015 18:32:16
Hi all,

How great is it to see a fully enthusiastic manager on the sideline? I know JK is getting paid very well to manage us, but to look like you genuinely care about the players doing their job for you is quite something. No matter how much these players get paid, it's a job like any other, so if the Boss puts his arm around you and says you've been great must be good for them. It's great to see.

Much love,

N.

06 Nov 2015 23:37:37
No matter what the level, if the manager comes out onto the pitch and says you did well, it's a confidence booster.

07 Nov 2015 03:50:09
Yes he getting paid very well, but he could have get paid even better else where. I don't think he's here for the moolah.

06 Nov 2015 13:53:50
Hi Eds
Just curious, regarding the Europa league. If we were to beat Bordeaux 1-0 and FC Sion drew 0-0 with Kazan. That would leave us level on points and goal difference, including goals for and against. A 1-1 draw would leave our head to head the same. How would a group winner be decided in this scenario? Would extra time be played?

{Ed002's Note - If Europa or CL group tables are tied, the order is determined as follows:
(a) Points obtained in the group matches played among the two or more teams.
(b) Goal difference between the games played between the teams.
(c) Higher number of total goals scored between the teams.
(c) Higher number of away goals scored between the teams.

If still not resolved, but now only two teams are involved, then the above criteria are reapplied. If still tied, then:

(d) Superior goal difference in all group matches.
(e) Higher number of total goals scored between the teams.
(f) Higher number of away goals scored between the teams.
(g) Higher number of wins in all group matches;
(h) Higher number of away wins in all group matches;
(i) Lower disciplinary points total based only on yellow and red cards received in all group matches (red card/two yellows = 3 points; yellow card = 1 point).
(j) Higher club coefficient.

Liverpool are currently ranked 54 in Europe and Sion 128.}

06 Nov 2015 16:41:51
Thanks very much Ed002! Vey helpful as usual!

06 Nov 2015 22:12:50
If you know 002. What's the furthest letter it's had to go to? And which teams were involved. Anyone have a clue?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know Benny.}

06 Nov 2015 12:14:55
Is it just me or does the squad not seem as bloated as it did under Rodgers? I know that seems illogical, but it just does to me. I know we still have a couple of players out, but I just feel that Klopp is using the entire squad very well.

06 Nov 2015 12:30:12
Totally agree with you . Even when he rotates the squad, he doesn't do it like Brendan did. And even though he let's the squad players like Lovren and Allen only play the league cup and Europa games, he fields a really strong team alongside them which I'm sure makes them feel like they're not just squad players but are actually in contention for a spot in the starting XI for the next game.

06 Nov 2015 13:39:43
It's you. We still have a big squad with too many players in some places and way too few in others.

06 Nov 2015 13:42:32
Spot on, lads! He rotates yes, but makes them feel important and let's them know that there are no starters or reserves. They all in hence, the seeming togetherness within the squad. it his clear he loves ALL his players and will always make them feel wanted and needed. The man is just awesome.

06 Nov 2015 14:03:41
We have only one RB and One LB, Added with no real back up in Gaol. We have 5 strikers and 3 ACM with no real DM and No Passing midfielder. We have only one Genuine Winger.

How could you say, We have a complete swuad?

06 Nov 2015 14:40:52
Don't forget that we have quite a few guys out injured in the roles we had a tonne of players for.

06 Nov 2015 15:35:37
Harry

Connor Randall is a right back, and wisdom is out on loan.

We have Moreno and Enrique and Flanno to come back.

Bogdan is doing just fine atm.

We have Lucas and Chrivella I'm sure Rossiter and Can can fill in at the deep mid.

No passing midfielder. I'm not even sure what you're getting at.

1 genuine winger? Milner is a decent winger and usually isn't bad at crossing, Ibe I'm guessing is the 1,Markovic to come back, Moreno could even fill that gap on the left, I'm sure Divock coul fill that role, and once again i'm probably forgetting about some kids.

3 adm I'm ok with atm if we play 4231,is allows them all to roam and take up different roles in that front 3.Lallana, Couts and Firmino seem capable of handling it. We have 5 strikers. and? Utd always had 4 when winning titles, Ings is out for the season. I don't get the problem there. Balotelli is gone hopefully.

06 Nov 2015 20:53:44
Bob

Milner is good at crossing?
Flanno is injured and Enrique hasn't kicked a ball in year time.

Can is notoriously famous for his positioning and you would play him the deeper role? Brilliant.

How confident are you on a 18 year old Chirivela to shield the defense in the absence of Lucas?

Passing midfielder in the mold of Scholes.

Markovic isn't coming midway through.

Lallana is not a winger and will never put in croses.

Rest of the players you mentioned are Strikers.
What's the use of having 5 strikers when you field only one up top?

Are you trying to say, We have a complete squad?

06 Nov 2015 21:48:21
Bob, Harry is talking about Kovacic as the passing player. 90% of his posts are Kovacic related.

06 Nov 2015 22:22:04
Might not seem bloated but we have about 20 players on loan!

06 Nov 2015 23:48:23
Milner is good at crossing. He always did well crossing at city and Newcastle and generally for us they've been of a decent standard when out wide right.

I know He's out injured, hence you have a SQUAD* and thus Moreno is there and can play youth, or if it comes to it Enrique.

Can is notoriously famous for his positioning ''notoriously famous'' think you've stretched that a bit far. He's 20 and learning his role. He's not notoriously anything.

I still don't get what you mean about passing midfielder, please go further, naming players isn't definining a term.

I am confident in Chirivella, if you're good enough you're old enough, The question is why should we doubt him from when we've watched him? You seem to think every one in the squad should be in their prime at 25 with 200 games under their belt, I wonder if Sir Alex said in 91,Lets not give a 18 year old Giggs a go, he's too young, or in 94,lets not give Scholes any playing time he's only 19,same with Butt at 19.
You're entire squad isn't always going to have 2 brilliant players in each position, heck even with their spending power Chelsea and City and United don't have that, so you're going to have to rely on youth and hope they fulfill their promise.

No 1 said lallana was a winger.

Markovic will come beack after his loan so will. Wisdom, Stewart, Kent, Williams, Jones, ward Yesil, Mclaughlin, Ojo. And then the players who's future remains uncertain. Balotelli, Ilori, Alberto.

It seems you want 2 strong 1st teamers in every position, and not want to bring through youth and block their way, and then in the 2 positions where we comfortably have enough in the attacking mid and striker role, you complain we have too many.

You're then using this argument that we have 5 striker, even though this season itself has proved that even at times this can't be enough when Benteke, Sturridge and Ings were all injured and we relied on Firmino and a 20 year old to run the line.
Maybe we should go for one of those ''goal shooting'' centre forwards.

06 Nov 2015 23:48:05
No real dm Harry? Is Lucas a pretend one?

06 Nov 2015 10:24:32
Hi Eds

What do you make of Klopps first six games in charge overall? For me we look more of a overall unit and a togetherness throughoit the players.

{Ed001's Note - I would agree with that, the team spirit is the main change I see. Yes, we are playing much better, but it is in big part due to how the team are working as a team. There were times when our 11 on the pitch looked like they had just turned up and met for the first time. Now they are gradually starting to gel.

It is not perfect, but things are defo moving in the right direction. Klopp is like a force of nature, his charisma has lifted the whole club out of the doldrums. With the better work on opposition analysis he brought in with him, we look like a team that is on the up. Each game you can just see more signs that things are getting better.}

06 Nov 2015 10:56:20
With or Without Klopp, When this Liverpool team press high up the pitch through out, We look one hell of a force.
Shame BR turned away from it.

06 Nov 2015 11:04:29
Ed what you mean by better opposition analysis? Oh and did you see the look on Milner's face when he was taken off.

{Ed001's Note - I mean the change in opposition analysis, bringing in Klopp's guys instead of the hapless people we had at the club, has made a huge difference. There is a reason we slightly change our approach to each game, it is because the analysis has highlighted weaknesses to exploit.

Milner does not look happy, I hope that is just with himself though, as he must realise he is not performing well at the moment.}

06 Nov 2015 11:34:55
Eds01,

I think you must be the most excited, this is the guy you wanted the club to go after all along and they did. Ed01, do you know how the rest of the staff is responding to him ( ayre, backroom staff etc) .

{Ed001's Note - Klopp has pretty much swept everyone along in the wave of euphoria that has accompanied his appointment.}

06 Nov 2015 12:05:55
Klopp stands on the tech area and shouts at Milner through the game out of disappointment. He gets in the way, loses the ball, gives away cheap free kicks and can't seem to cross a decent ball.

Captain?

06 Nov 2015 13:47:09
Klopp will tell you like it is and if Milner is honest, he will know he is not playing well. He needs to show his vaunted professionalism and hardworking nature now because Klopp will be fed up with him if he doesn`t shape up. There`s a new sherrif in town at LFC and if you don`t buck up, you`ll get the boot. End of.

06 Nov 2015 14:24:18
Thanks Ed I never knew we had people at the club spotting the oppositions weakness. Where they that bad?

{Ed001's Note - yes mate. They were a major part of the problem, they were simply not able to analyse the opponents and find their weaknesses.}

06 Nov 2015 14:54:56
And it showed. Thanks again.

06 Nov 2015 12:42:26
No captain for me. Even if he was brilliant, there are more deserving players imo.

06 Nov 2015 16:12:34
Morale's certainly improved and things are much more optimistic, our defence seems more confident and that's a huge thing. I think the area that Klopp's biggest struggle is in attack. I think Klopp wants us to be an expansive team using all the pitch but our players are struggling to coordinate with each other and runs, crosses and passes aren't marrying up. Hopefully this is just a transition thing and the players will adjust.

06 Nov 2015 18:38:02
Remember, it's likely Milner chose Liverpool because of the managers promises.

He'll get over it.

06 Nov 2015 23:50:45
The team just looks happier, and want to play more.

06 Nov 2015 21:56:02
Ed1 have you started watching matches again mate?

{Ed001's Note - I only missed the Spurs games mate.}

06 Nov 2015 10:08:49
ed01, if you are around and have time to answer this, I want to know your view on Emre Can in midfield. also I wish to know what you make of our outing against Kazan yesterday. your view is highly informative and would be glad to read your view. thanks.

{Ed001's Note - Can is trying to make things happen, he is taking risks, that is going to lead to him giving the ball away at times. Right now he just needs to gain experience, so that he learns to take the right risks and produce something. He is learning the role and how to play it. We need to have patience with him right now, he has all the attributes to be a really effective force for us in that role, once he properly understands it.

The first half was a struggle, the players were not gelling well, there were times when, right at the beginning, Milner was stood right up top in Benteke's way as he tried to make a forward run to receive a pass. After tripping over each other a couple of times because of that, they figured out how to organise that aspect of their game better. Which is a good sign. There are always going to be those kind of issues, what you want is the players to learn from them and develop a team work. They did that well, they grew into the game, working out how to play the system and took complete control of the game. It wasn't ideal, Benteke wasn't able to attack the crosses when they came in, the quality of those crosses was not really good enough and our dead balls were poor. Despite the issues, we were clearly the better side and fully deserved the win. We always looked like a threat to them. Things are looking up!}

06 Nov 2015 10:50:49
Adding to it, Kazan were dreadful at home and never pressed us which allowed our Midfilders ( Allen in perticular ) time on the ball. Can needs to udnerstand his role better.
One significant area we need to umprove is our passing and spreading it to wide areas.

If you really intend to get the best out of Benteke, you need to bring full backs and wide players into the game which will open up spaces for frimino / Countinho to operate.

I can't see a place for Can once Henderson comes back. Klopp will sacrifice one CM for an Attacker. ( Home games for sure )

06 Nov 2015 13:55:08
I can se a place for Can. It is Milner I can`t see a place for and yesterday`s perf validated that one more time.

06 Nov 2015 14:05:56
Redohio

That would mean you field 3 CM and take out one of Lallana/Ibe from the team? . Bad move IMO. You need goal scorers/Cretors and adding up CM never helps it.

Klopp played a 2Men midfield at Dortumand and had three attackers behind his striker. I hope he does the same at Liverpool.

06 Nov 2015 15:48:25
Henderson can play the right attacking midfield position with Lucas and Can behind him.

06 Nov 2015 16:16:42
Hey Harry, how come you're EG again?

I actually agree with you on this one, Hendo won't take Milner's place because Klopp's not going to play him wide. When Hendo come's back he's going in the middle which means either Can or Lucas will lose their place and I doubt it will be Lucas.

06 Nov 2015 16:38:00
If Milner keeps playing as poorly as he is, he won`t even make it into the stands, Muscat and Harry.

06 Nov 2015 17:26:02
That may be the case Ohio but it will be someone other than Hendo that pushes him out.

06 Nov 2015 07:43:47
Big big test on Sunday. Playing Thursday in Russia and then on Sunday is a huge test. It's going to be very interesting. Klopp doesn't give a toss about squad rotation which is good to see I think.

06 Nov 2015 09:29:16
He only has Ings, Sturridge, Gomez, Toure, Flanagan, Henderson and Teixeira missing no? Trust me if he had a fully fit squad he would have made many more changes, but it was a must win game and our best academy youngsters are out on loan in my opinion. Randall is injured, Brannagan is a bit leight weight, and if Brannagan is leight weight then Chirivella is Helium! Klopp could have used the likes of Jordan Williams, Sheyi Ojo, Ryan Kent, Ryan Mclaughlin if they were available. Markovic and Wisdom as well.

06 Nov 2015 00:30:31
Nice listening to u tonight in CPM "ed"! ;)

{Ed001's Note - ?}

06 Nov 2015 00:56:05
Is Klopp withdrawing Milner (captain no less) early in games due to fitness or his woeful performances?

For such a senior pro, who has played at such a high level and regular international, I can't recall seeing that level constantly lose the ball, miss pass, poor crosses, poor set pieces. Thst volley into row Z.

I'm hoping he is just dropped as other then running around to close down possesion (which he probably lost in the first place) what does he offer?

Klopp has improved everyone, except Milner and Allen, possibly Lovren. Their true level is showing with a top class manager. If these three left tomorrow I doubt we'd notice.

06 Nov 2015 02:16:30
If it looks like millers going to be playing right of an attacking three, it's a shame we loaned out markovic. When hendos back he won't be needed for cm cover either, but with the wage we've given him, why would he leave?

06 Nov 2015 05:17:36
Milner played left of course, and he was clearly taken off because he wasn't effective, just like against Chelsea.

06 Nov 2015 06:41:40
Milner was better than v Chelsea. His passes were better for one. Not an advocate of his, just pointing out the obvious. Allen was much better in this game also, probably his best for a while. Lovren is also looking more assured and is needed as back up. And fencey, milner was playing in a mid 3, not advanced as markovic should have been played. Hope he can be recalled in Jan .

{Ed001's Note - actually Milner played more advanced in front of the Can and Lucas, to the left of Firmino. Though he did wander around a lot, at one point getting in Benteke's way in the first half and ending a couple of promising moves by doing so. They seemed to sort that out between them though and he spent less time blocking runs after that. Sadly he still looks a shadow of the player he was, which was not that good anyway, and he still makes lazy decisions. His fouls are never the result of a need to break up play and always the desire to not have to chase back. It is something I find bizarre, as it is so out of character for him to take the easy route out. It seems to me to be a mental thing, maybe as a result of the promises made to him when signing.}

06 Nov 2015 06:45:59
He shouldn't be in starting eleven on Sunday unless Klopp does a BR. Well my only hope in signing him in the summer was his free kicks and crossing abilities. Unfortunately he has been a big let down in both. I would play only two CM against Palace in Lucas and Can with Allen occupying the bench.

06 Nov 2015 06:57:56
Max, A bit harsh on Allen I think.

06 Nov 2015 08:18:44
Allen looks improved, but that's more because he was utter rubbish before. Watch the match again, realise the quality of the opposition. I still see against poor sides his poor wayward passing and bullied off the ball. The pressure of the last 10-15minutes was caused by poor passing, poor fouls and loss of possession which Allen was a major factor in. Yes not the one, but this is the Welsh Xavi who is a possession pass master, right?

Yes he had times where he made 2-5yrd passes and once in 90+ minutes almost entered Rubens box with the ball. But for a CM against this poor side he should have done a lot better and stood out.

For all the slight improvement he has made under Klopp, would anyone choose him over either Can or Lucas? Would any prefer he remains over signing someone else? Anyone keep playing him ahead of the youth squad that Klopp has introduced or might introduce.

Like Milner, his lack of quality and play has showed in technicolor compared to others since Klopps methods have kicked in. It's early days, but looking at our defence including Skrtel, Moreno and Mignolet. How Can and Ibe are performing to the hype and potential and Lallana efforts. It's right threw out, we have stepped up to another level and left some behind. IMO.

06 Nov 2015 11:35:01
Thought Allen played really well last night the player I am most fearful for is A L!

06 Nov 2015 08:38:10
I though Allen and Lovren were alright last night. Milner just keeps falling, maybe he thought with BR he would get whatever he wanted, but under Klopp he won't and he looks unhappy and seems to be doing things a bit half hearted. Hopefully he improves but he is 29 so i won't hold my breath.

06 Nov 2015 14:26:10
If he`s really acting that way Sabona, then Klopp is the wrong guy to do that with. Milner is becoming a ball and chain on the pitch and like Ed said, he doesn`t foul to stop the opposition. He does it because he`s just lazy, wants to get one back on a player (like he did with bertrand that cost us the freekick hence, the goal) and/or he`s now realized that Klopp will not cater to his "promises" made by the rank incompetence of the pre regime. He`d better buck up or he will be gone in the summer if not, Jan.