Liverpool Banter Archive October 06 2014

06 Oct 2014 20:54:33
Ok just to put the Suso thing in perspective. He will not be in consideration for about 2 months as he needs a groin operation. So whether he's good enough or not is kinda irrelevant.

06 Oct 2014 18:12:38
Ed1 yesterday you said Gerrard could play further forward just off the striker. Who would your other two be in midfield? Allen and Henderson for me.

{Ed001's Note - Henderson and Suso for me. Just kidding about Suso, I would like to see him play more though. Maybe as a sub to allow Gerrard a rest? I would go with Lucas while Can is injured and then bring him in when he is fit.}

06 Oct 2014 17:20:23
Lucas coming on and freeing up gerrard highlighted what a good player he is in his natural position further forward. We all know it but why is rodgers not getting it?

Hopefully Can coming back can give br the option to switch it up a bit and play steven further forward where he is most effective and rotate him with a stuttering coutinho. Delighted with the win more for the fact we showed a little passion and grit.

Hopefully our players can come back from the international break injury free and feeling a little more positive about themselves. I have to say i am surprised at the doom and gloom brigade anyone would have thought we were trounced 5 nil.

Good battling win and we have our best player to come back into the team. cheer up men and women!

06 Oct 2014 17:39:20
Thats coz. Gerrard won't last 90 mts playing up the pitch as an ACM.
And He wouldn't accept the part time ( coming off in the last 20 mts ) role.
So a DLP is the last and safest option for him not to run around and press high.

06 Oct 2014 19:25:15
Except it's not safe for the whole team because he's not been effective in that position so far this season. He was okay against Everton & West Brom, but that was with Hendo & Coutinho helping him, which is one less player supporting or running in behind.

Rodgers needs to recognise that Gerrard's best position is ACM regardless of how the player himself feels (if there is any insistence on his part on playing 90 mins every week). It's the best thing for both himself and the team.

06 Oct 2014 16:28:09
Well what about picking one player from the Epl that we need. I would go for Costa but i could have been tempted to pick a keeper.

06 Oct 2014 16:44:07
Matic. or a Top class keeper.
Wouldn't mind two CB aswell.

Easy
Kompany

06 Oct 2014 17:09:39
Did a coin toss between Matic and Courtois.
Ultimately decided on Matic

Have to agree with Chris

06 Oct 2014 17:43:54
I think costas success is down to how chelsea play and may not be a success in a club playing a different system . That isn't a criticism of chelsea in any way I think they will be crowned champions this year. I think Jose identified his strengths and weaknesses in his side and acted very well without disrupting the core of players in the first team set up. I also think that Sturridge is more suited to our style of play and Ballotelli will come good when he has Sturridge up with him. So for me it has to be matic I think that's the type of player we sorely miss . It would free gerrard up to go forward and join and create attacks. I also think a player like matic would alleviate pressure on our back four when the opposition is on the counter attack. Again matic is ideal for the European nights like Basel away . I think we will be ok this year. I am not going to make excuses as it's been a poor start no questions. But last 30 mins against wba we started to show glimpses of last seasons football. I think with Sturridge back and a healthier squad to choose from we will see a return of our attractive football. For me we will achieve top 4 I believe that there are two spots up for grabs behind Chelsea and City and I think we are going enough to secure a top 4 spot. (Kens pants permitting) I think we will get out of the group in the champions league also . Cup games are cup games they can go either way as long as we compete in them games I am happy to use squad players to keep things fresh. I have seen lots of doom and gloom here but let's get real let's get together and let's support our team all the way to may. Don't focus on other teams results as at this stage in the season it's silly. The league really starts taking shape around December then we can start worrying about other teams doing us a favour for want of a better phrase. Let's keep the positivity going it sure as hell feels better than the ridiculous posts I have read over the past 6 weeks . Cheers eds and reds . Stay smiling

Courtois for me. i'm convinced the form of our CBs would also improve with having a GK who is quick of his line and better with commanding his area at set pieces.

If I had to pick one player from the EPL to have in our next match day squad it would be Kompany all day long.

He has made a string of average CBs look like world beaters next to him. Kompany and Lovren/Sakho would be unbelievable!

However if you were asking me to pick one player who I would want in our squad for the next few seasons it would be Courtois. You could get another 10 seasons out of him and still sell him for a decent amount at 32.

Shout out to Matic and Aguero though who ran the above very very close.

Yaya Toure.

Falcao

Defence: Kompany
DM: Fernandinho
Attacking Mid: Di Maria
Striker: Costa

06 Oct 2014 14:28:33
Wish Rodgers Could Just keep His Mouth Closed ! he can't help himself

Ps Ed's 1-2 (hope you don't mind )

if its ok to Thank all The Liverpool Fans who have been Buying our new single Bankers To Feed (buy Kids On Bridges )

Its been getting played by George Sefton AT all the home games and we just close to charting ! we will also be on LFC TV doing a session

Big Thanks

K.O.B

06 Oct 2014 13:18:51
Seeing as almost everyone dislikes Mourinho from the bottom of their hearts and most are critical of rodgers

Would you swap Rodgers for Mourinho?

Please try to answer without being snide. I'm not in the rodgers out brigade, just curious

06 Oct 2014 14:28:03
Mouriho does not seem to go teams that don't have serious cash , realistic title ambitions and a great squad in place already.

He is a manager that wins and leaves .In our current situation he would be problematic at best .

That said he is a winner and should be respected as such.

BR is nowhere near the coach Mourinho is . yet . He is learning on the job and in my view is worth backing for all of his faults .He has shown us that he has what it takes to compete ,now he has to show us he has what it takes to consistently compete.

06 Oct 2014 15:09:48
Mourinho doesn't take excuses. We do. Simple.
He needs titles and would take it any level to win it. A winner by all means.
I wouldn't swap him for BR, There are quie a lot managers out there who would do a better job given 150 mill to spend.

06 Oct 2014 15:17:17
Yeah sure let's swap EM. I've been having trouble sleeping lately tht should fix it.

I'd rather Harry manage the team than moronho. Harry you just barely clipped him mate, don't let it get to your head 😜

06 Oct 2014 15:41:50
No brainier for me. Yes. Mourinho is a genius who is extremely skilled in dealing with the media. His players love him. He wins wherever he goes. His confidence is infectious. Metaphorically speaking, Rodgers is a colonel while mourinho is a 5-star general.

I would never want him in charge of my team. the man is totally lacking in class in my opinion. plus his teams in recent years have played some boring football. one nil nah!

06 Oct 2014 16:12:03
Reet

Put it like this. Sterling as WB or an attacker?.
Hazzard and Willian has been spoiled under Jose.

I get the impression that as a man I would get on famously with Mourinho but as a football manager he is classless and the enemy of football. He belongs at a team that has John Terry in it
That said, I'm not overly enamoured by our own managers behaviour and am still to decide wether he's any good or not.
Still, either way, it could be worse
We could have Martinez!

{Ed002's Note - He is one of the very best football managers I have ever met Chris - and there have been a lot of those. He might even be the very best. He is in complete control all of the time. He knows exactly what he is doing. He will create scenarios which cause conflict. He will create stress in others. Players who have worked with him have the greatest respect for him. I rather suspect you would like him as a football manager if you got to know him.}

YNWAREET, mourinho is absolutely horrible as a person, anyone who tries to gauge someone's eye's out as he did with TITO VILLANOVA has to have serious problems, but if your looking for someone to win you trophies the mourinho is your man, so the answer to your question is YES, I don't think RODGER'S is clever enough to win anything, too one-dimensional.

I understand all of that Ed but he's a "win at any cost" manager and I don't like some of the things he's done or is prepared to do
People forget that it's sport and that sport should be "sporting"
He far from being alone in fact the whole sport of football is getting less and less sporting
Maybe I worry too much about honesty and fair play but it's just the way I am
As I say I'm certain that as a man I would like him very much

{Ed002's Note - The game has changed Chris - and will change radically going forward as I have explained in the past. You will see a pan-European breakaway. There have been discussions held twice this year and I understand that efforts are being made to get the clubs involved together again before the turn of the year. You will see cross-continental links between clubs, perhaps as the eventual fall out of the proposals to do away with third party ownership (tow EPL sides are investigating the feasibility of this already. We are seeing commercial investors looking to build portfolios (e.g. Red Bull). We are seeing non-commercial investors looking to build portfolios (e.g. City Football Group - four continents to date). You will see institutional owners look to investing (e.g. in Manchester United in 2017). All of these folks will look to bring in the best players, the best coaching staff, the best marketeers and to take away the sponsors with the most money. They will look to the elite and for now that includes Mr Mourinho.

If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match, perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them. Maybe "The Nose" will be coaching one of the sides. An easy wey to tell is to look at the injury stats - if one side has a significant number of groin injuries and plays in red.......}

I do spend more of my time nowadays concentrating on my preferred sport, a true sport, one of the most physically demanding sports, a sport that will never be taken over by money (because it's such a minority sport)
Cornish gig rowimg is where its at for me these days
By the way Ed I've got what I think is a genius idea for an invention to do with football that could make us millions, interested?

{Ed002's Note - I was in London the Saturday before last and perhaps a 100 or more vessels of that type went under Tower Bridge whilst we were there. The square football for the over 50s league (that you don't need to run after) already exists.}

No trust me Ed I think this is a genuine opportunity it came to me like a flash of inspiration and all I've thought since is "how has nobody done this"
Join me let's make millions

Don't like Mourinho. Considering he's a win at all cost manager he must have been having a season off last season.

Everywhere he's been he's left the job being hated. He might win things but he always leaves under a cloud.

There's a good reason for that.

So no, I would not swap Rodgers for Mourinho, I might consider other managers.

06 Oct 2014 12:40:00
Is it just me that thinks that Henderson could do the defensive midfielder role if needed ? He has great energy and his range of passing is getting better and better. I know his best position is in a more attacking role, but purely as cover i reckon he could do a half decent job.

Sure, in an emergency, he could do it. But Henderson is more than just energy and hard-work, he does pop in with assist, goals and plenty of chances for team-mates.

06 Oct 2014 16:59:58
Lucas and Can when he's back fit, why waste Hendo's talents?

06 Oct 2014 11:00:50
Just out of curiosity, when it's Utd v Everton, who do you guys want to lose more?

06 Oct 2014 11:11:09
Utd all the way.
Can't stand the smugness of their fans. Like they believe they have a right to success

06 Oct 2014 11:11:10
UTD ofcourse. Everton would never be a threat.

Man Utd for me. Considering their vast financial resources, they are the biggest danger to LFC both in the short term and long term. They are also likely to finish above us this season, and take our top4 spot while Everton will always remain behind due to lack of necessary resources to compete at the highest level.

United .

06 Oct 2014 11:32:04
Indian.
Now the good news is Arsenal will end up below us. Not a chance of them making in top 4.

In big games i always want a draw to take 2 points of both teams but because its only Evertpn i was hoping they would win. ;-)

06 Oct 2014 12:39:59
Finally someone sees my point of view regarding arsenal.
Been saying they will be out of top4 since August

Harry, i'm trying to muster up all the optimism i can but i really cannot see LFC finishing above the Gooners. They have the better players, much more stable squad and dibs on 4th spot. I think we will finish 5th.

06 Oct 2014 15:17:35
Indian

They have better names and players who fool too many audinces with keeping ball on their feet and doing absolutley nothing.
They also share the record of most midfeilders and atatckers while No attackers have ever surpassed a striker in goal tally ever.
We are also pretty close to this record of buying attackers and midfilders.
They wouldn't make it mate.

06 Oct 2014 23:44:18
You conveniently forgetting last year Harry, when Ramsay was their highest scorer? Or will you create a new fact to support your arguement?

06 Oct 2014 09:30:20
Hi eds my question for you. who are the players having most chance to depature club? And luking to current link toward players how is lfc going to lineup in jan?

{Ed001's Note - it is a bit far away to be talking about who will be playing in January! We might have an injury crisis or anything yet.}

06 Oct 2014 10:02:54
Ed01. Honest opinon on Suso leaving?

{Ed001's Note - in what way? Do I expect him to leave? As things stand, yes. Do I think he should be allowed to leave? No.}

06 Oct 2014 10:32:43
"Yes". would be enough. He would go and become a top player for Milan. Wish him all the best. He has a fantastic Left foot, David Silva in the making.

Im not so sure. He didn't pull up any trees at Almeria. What makes you think he will cut it at Milan where expectation will be greater?

06 Oct 2014 11:36:39
Milan needs him much more than Almeria.
At a world class club and a relatively slow league He would boss in that attacking role.

06 Oct 2014 02:12:25
A little problem I'm noticing,, I think IMO we have a number of players who play their strongest in the same position. The behind the striker, tip of the diamond position. Coutinho, he's not hitting top form of late but absolutely no doubt, when he is in form, he's most effective here than out wide where he's wasted. Lallana, he's our biggest goal threat from midfield, he's only settling in but he gets in the box and it's obvious he's not a wide player, and here he can't arrive between the posts as often, but on that note, he's not as creative if you ask me as the other players but again, has the most desire to score. Sterling, definitely plays better in and round the box,, before a dip in form fans echoed the name john Barnes describing Raheem, and I'd like him playing in that tip of the diamond roll (behind 2 strikers) although he's very capable of playing out wide where others aren't so I think BR will stick him out there.
Gerrard, the captain isn't a defensive midfielder. He's the most dynamic attacking midfielder we've ever had at the club and should be used 'intelligently' in that roll,, not every week every game every minute,, but he is a massive goal threat and should be selected in that roll in certain games at certain times, never in a defensive roll.
So we have the interchangeable option but when the players go out wide they're not made for it, they're all the same type of player in a way and it's not working.

I think Lallana is effective playing out wide. he never stays wide though and shifts in all the time, like against West Brom.

I think it same with Sterling; he is OK playing out wide and being effective. Markovic can only play out wide, which leaves Coutinho, who is best playing centrally.

06 Oct 2014 07:47:07
We don't have a direct winger to play out wide.you could add Markovic also in the list. He would be good played through the middle.

Well you catch on late! I was saying this all of last year when we had Coutinho, Ibe, Suso, Alberto, Gerrard, Sterling and Teixeira. So what does the transfer committee do? Sign Lallana and Markovic of course!

06 Oct 2014 10:08:55
Adam

lols.

EMS, even though i believe Lallana was an unnecessary signing, his experience and consistency will help a lot in the final third as he does not seem to panic like Sterling or Coutinho do by misplacing simple chances, but Markovic was just a waste of money considering the number of young CAM's already at the club.

06 Oct 2014 11:17:54
Indian
Markovic is a winger. In terms of proper wingers we only have sterling and ibe ready. Though lallana is quite good there its not his best position

06 Oct 2014 11:13:47
Indian

If not Lallana, Who do you think would replace Suarez little creativity?. Suso is a fine player but needs regular game time.
That trick and turn the other day was world class. I hope He draws couple of defenders to him opening spaces for Sterling and Sturridge.

I should clarify, i don't doubt Lallana's ability. He is probably level with Henderson as our best midfielder. I just don't think we necessarily needed him. I'm not going to complain though because i think he is one of our few world class (or at least pretty close) players.

Markovic on the other hand needs to hurry up and start hitting form. Lallana has got injured, recovered, returned from injury, broke into the team and found form faster than Markovic could become a regualr substitute.

06 Oct 2014 15:23:55
EMS

Got your point, Only If BR could take the chance with Suso, We could have spend that 25 mill + another 20mill on a world class striker who could score on that very boring dull and poor day.

Spot on.

06 Oct 2014 15:58:13
If Lallana plays continues to play like he did this weekend, he could end up saving our season. Nothing "unnecessary" about that.

I agree! Lallana is the one shinning light, the glimmer of hope in what has been a pretty pee poor season so far. Anyhow, we are only 4 points of second. So all to play for still.

05 Oct 2014 19:31:25
Page seems very quiet today :x it seems that a win stamps out the negativity :-).
So it think it's time guys . It can't stay I the dark for long




Who has the best avatar :-) ?


Personally think Ed033's looks really cool.
Among the fans, I'd say Harry's Balotelli one was good

06 Oct 2014 07:54:09
Was that another cute Sarcasm Reet. BTW, Yours ain't too bad considering you change it every day.

06 Oct 2014 09:34:14
No that was for real