Liverpool Banter Archive October 06 2015

06 Oct 2015 18:39:56
Ed002, 01, I see a couple of posters are saying there's an announcement/press conference tomorrow. Can you confirm/deny ?

{Ed033's Note - Macca may know?

06 Oct 2015 23:23:30
I can't see it myself , maybe Thursday or Friday Benny. Here's hoping though

07 Oct 2015 01:59:37
Reports suggesting he's going to Liverpool Thursday and announcement officially Friday

07 Oct 2015 04:21:29
Agree with fencey today (i think it'd be past twelve in uk) seems too unlikely. Firday though of it happens going, we are having one hell of a press conference

07 Oct 2015 05:10:57
The consensus seems to be Thursday announcement

07 Oct 2015 08:58:31
Friday nick

06 Oct 2015 21:23:10
Hi all, a few questions if I may.

Just wondering what players are out on loan? And which of them (if any) are we able to recall?

Maybe it's just me but I think Markovic and Llori could really provide us with quality under the right manager.

As a side note, really hoping klopp is signed up soon, not liking this waiting game. It looks like its his job but is it? You never know.

06 Oct 2015 23:02:20
Hey, this has been asked a few times. i think any loan can be terminated due to mutual consent, but it has to be within a transfer window. i "think"

06 Oct 2015 23:17:41
On a sidenote - didn't Dortmund try to get Ilori on loan last summer (when Klopp where still in charge) or was it just papertalk?

07 Oct 2015 00:42:39
Yes that's right benny.

07 Oct 2015 01:41:08
I remember asking last year and yes Dortmund were interested in Ilori on loan last year.

07 Oct 2015 03:42:47
As they were interested in Benteke when Lewandowski left. Klopp must have seen something in them that he can work with. Hopefully, his vision will pan out.

06 Oct 2015 20:15:30
Does anybody know if Ancelotti is keen on the job? He has come across us many times and has been pictured smiling and pointing to the this is Anfield sign on his last visit with Madrid.

06 Oct 2015 22:08:31
Everyone that visits anfield has their picture taken with the sign, that's like going to Paris and not taking a picture with the Eiffel tower

06 Oct 2015 22:12:54
Seeing as Macca revealed to us that we met with Ancelotti, and he has now revealed that he believes Klopp will be the next manager, I am going to guess Ancelotti is not keen at this time.

06 Oct 2015 21:45:51
Reliable posters (Macca and Nevada) have said he would be interested, so yes.

06 Oct 2015 20:02:58
I really like Coutinho as a player and on his day he is magical, my concern at the moment though is that he is becoming to predictable, every time he shifts if onto his right foot and shoots, for me if he wants to become world class then he needs to become more consistent and less predictable as defenders are getting use to him, also some times he goes missing in big games like the derby. But he as immense talent to become a world class player.

06 Oct 2015 20:58:25
very good player but not world class imo

06 Oct 2015 21:49:41
Derby games are not the games to judge your flair players though. Ronaldo rarely showed up when we played Utd when he was there too.

06 Oct 2015 22:59:18
For me he needs to do a lot more to be classed as world class. 2 wonder goals a season and hardly any assists hardly makes him world class. I would go as far as to say that if a Spanish side offer in the region of £30 mill,I would sell

06 Oct 2015 23:36:53
And Robben cuts inside on his left. When you're good enough it doesn't matter, Coutinho has certainly shown enough quality to get past his man.

07 Oct 2015 03:49:51
He still needs coaching and a lot more variation to his decision making in the final third.

07 Oct 2015 04:01:17
I disagree. He always looks up for the pass first. If there is no pass on, he shoots. Why not? He has scored some important and great goals like that.

07 Oct 2015 08:07:35
I think of you looked at his game when he arrived he's done nothing but improve, for me since he's been here I've seen:
Get stronger
Be able to tackle
Be able to defend when needed
Be able to score goals
Everything he needed to improve on he's doing in my eyes, in 2 years this guy will be on a different level for me, also can't judge on Derbys mate Suarez very rarely scored against the top 4 but there are another 14 teams which really counts

06 Oct 2015 11:55:43
Have watched very few games of Dortmund under Klopp. From what I saw, Klopp liked hard workers and pacy attackers. Most of the matches, Dortmund played really good attacking football.

I just want to know how Klopp is tactically. Is he a guy who mixes things up to keep the opposition guessing or is he a bit stubborn in a certain kind of play?

Based on his relationship with players, I know he's a really good man-manager but how good is he in improving their individual game?

06 Oct 2015 19:42:47
High press, counter attack and a solid defence. He promotes his attackers to be inventive with there own class rather than coach were, when and how they have to be on the football pitch.

I will say he is stubborn, as I didn't see him vary much since I followed them from 13 and even last year he persevered with the same style even though the players weren't always available for it due to injury. We do have a much bigger squad for him though than Dortmund, if he can master the rotation then it should not really matter wether he varies from his style.

What I am partially concerned is did his training methods contribute to the amount of injuries he received during his final season, and I am monitoring how Dortmund do this year with injuries with a clear change in style.

06 Oct 2015 19:44:00
2 bundesliga titles and champions league final among others he can't be too bad tacticly in fairness. and an effective dynamic team while at Dortmand who came from nowhere really to a well respected club Europe wide bar his final season there but look at the way the fans treated him on his last day in the cup final you would swear he was a God to them. I honestly think he is one of the few genuine contenders around in the same age bracket that could go very far in his career and hopefully that's at anfield

06 Oct 2015 19:44:43
Kagawa came from the Japanese second league, Sven Bender from the German second division, Sahin from their youth system, Durm from the Mainz youth team into the Dortmund youth team and now is a senior, Lewandowski from Poznan and Blaszczykowski from Krakow.

I'd say he did a pretty decent job improving their individual games winning the Bundesliga twice with them. I can say though if we brought in these types of players on low fees now that few people had heard of lots of people would be throwing a fit before they'd even played a game.

06 Oct 2015 19:48:17
Not an expert on Klopp but my impression is he is more interested in improving the team and the way the team plays than improving individuals.
Most of his players at Dortmund performed better in the Dortmund team than anywhere else - Kagawa, Sahin are obvious examples.

06 Oct 2015 21:04:23
there weren't any secrets to how Dortmund played and teams knew what they would get but the games I did see (maybe 10 at their best) were amazing. And it seemed to me every player was full of confidence and didn't looked worried when they lost the ball at all as they all knew what their job was to get it back, and quickly.
As for injuries you may have a point as the team/players would often run many KM further then their opponents. Maybe eds can comment on whether they feel injuries were somewhat dew to the players work-rate

06 Oct 2015 21:51:51
If a team improves very well, there will naturally be a few players stepping up Ron.

06 Oct 2015 19:45:52
From what i have read Zeljko Buvac is the tactical genius of the pair.
now just for some fun to lighten the mood

youtube video

07 Oct 2015 04:01:41
Football is a man's game and right now, you have to be a well conditioned athlete to compete in the high press system. That is how you can outlast your opponent. That is what Poch at Spurs does which is why they finish games stronger at the end. If the players can't do the basics as in staying fit, they should ask yo move elsewhere where they can be coddled like spoilt children.

As for Klopp's style, IMO that is the way footie should be played. With passion, drive and intensity. His teams can defend and focuses on tactics to suit the players he has. Good enough for me.

06 Oct 2015 17:31:02
Saw a rather amusing photo of a seat at anfield that has apparently been reserved for Klopp by the traditional german method of draping a beachtowel over it.
Btw can we still do german gags? Is that allowed now?
Because you know, we don't want to upset any germans at the moment.
Dont mention the war, as Basil Fawlty so often used to say.

06 Oct 2015 19:17:37
What's the link to that pic if you still have it?

06 Oct 2015 19:24:25
The worst thing is we ripped into Rodgers for the teeth and tan but klopp had a hair transplant

06 Oct 2015 19:40:06
And had his teeth done.

It's ridiculous and immature tbh. There's no need to criticise someone's appearance, judge them on their remit.

06 Oct 2015 19:57:39
yeah but klopp looks cool. not a cappuchino with cream

06 Oct 2015 19:32:21
Lol guess not then ed.

{Ed033's Note - yes, the page is still there

06 Oct 2015 16:30:19
Eds i know that its obviously premature and all we can do is speculate. But to move on from inane questions like what Klopps latest bowel movement means for liverpool?or how long will it take to sign the entire dortmund squad?id like to just ask what your take on the defence and how you would remedy the long malaise we've suffered there. For me its the area that whomever comes in will need to address straight off. Providing everyone plays in their natural positions we only have moreno and clyne as full backs.Does enrique even count as a player anymore? Do you see Brad smith getting game time?

{Ed001's Note - first and foremost I would go and get a decent keeper, no matter how good the centre halves are, the defence will always be shaky with a dodgy keeper behind them. Enrique is unwanted and unneeded, sooner he goes the better. Smith is unlikely to get a chance, his contract is running down, he is likely to leave. I would like to see Skrtel dropped as well, for all his experience he is too inconsistent and quiet. But the priority is getting a safe pair of hands behind them as that will increase confidence.}

06 Oct 2015 17:06:26
Cheers for the response ed. 100% agree with the keeper. That was such a crime when we just brought in Bogdan instead of someone to genuinely push Mingolet. Hopefully Klopp can attract one of the young talented Germans like leno,horn,karius. Also spot on with skrtel though i'd have been harsher than you put it. He's been the bane of my life watching liverpool under rodgers. i'd be startin the next match clyne gomez sakho moreno. Lovren may still come good under the right coaches and system but his confidence needs to be rebuilt.
Moreno as our only left back is bothersome but again we don't really know the capabilities of a lot of these players in a good system with good coaches. Do we have any young fullbacks knocking on the door for first team? I know there's some on loan but in the u21s. i know flanagans on his way back but he'll take time after such a long layoff.

06 Oct 2015 17:47:21
Which keeper would you go for Ed001?

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

{Ed001's Note - probably Zieler off the top of my head.}

06 Oct 2015 18:10:40
Whilst I agree that we need a better keeper to be a top 4 side, that better defence from it argument cuts both ways. A keeper is only as good as their defence and we need to fix both or we could have the best keeper and just learn the fact they can't save everything.

Also GK seems to be the hardest position to really judge whether you're getting a good or excellent one. Lots of people don't rate Joe Hart yet his peers rate him highly. Lots of people rate Courtois yet you could go through his game and pull it apart just as much.

I'd guess where I'm going with this is we'd need to have a clear view of what aspects we want a new GK to be an improvement on. For all his faults Mignolet is an excellent shot stopper and it is the extras (that make you better than good) that he is weak on. But without a clear defensive plan to date we'd still struggle to know what we want. My hope is whoever comes in looks at the whole defensive picture and at the very least shores up with what's there till January at least and makes it work better.

06 Oct 2015 19:08:53
Wrong, the defence no matter how good will always suffer if there is no confidence in the goal keeper.

I played football as a teenager about as far from academy level as Owen and crouch in height haha

But I played cb and we had a bad keeper more shaky tbh and it was horrible playing in front, it impacted your decisions and put you on edge. We upgraded one summer with a free agent and the difference we felt as a defence was ten fold, you could go for more tackles and be more confident on the ball knowing you had a good keeper behind us, it didn't make us reckless but it really did help!

06 Oct 2015 19:10:59
We need a new central pair and a new keeper

06 Oct 2015 20:11:03
Being a good shot stopper is not enough in today's game and that is arguably migs only strength among countless weaknesses. First and foremost regardless of what position you play you need to be able to actually kick a ball, I mean the hint is in the name of the game!!! Irrespective of what system or tactics you employ this is a fundamental requirement. It honestly baffles me how he has got so far in the game when he can't pass with any accuracy beyond 3 meters. Don't even get me started on his communication and ability to organise he defence in front of him! I doubt the best GK coach in the world could improve migs enough to get him to the required level so he needs replacing as soon as possible.

06 Oct 2015 15:55:53
If Klopp got the job then we will have to get used to strange press conferences. We thought some of BR'S were strange. Klopp is famous for them. Klopp's dry and sometimes blunt sense of humour should be a hit at Anfield anyway. Hopefully it will ignite the crowd again.

{Ed002's Note - It would be like Cantona in a way.}

06 Oct 2015 17:38:48
I read some of his quotes. He is simply hysterical.

06 Oct 2015 17:45:41
Hysterical when he's winning.

Different when he's not

06 Oct 2015 16:37:09
Yes he has said some funny things have a look at this link

http://goo.gl/QJmDLj

06 Oct 2015 19:01:55
So you expect him to shine his white teeth with glee when he loses? Nonsense! I love a manager who hates to lose and shows it rather than one who couldn't be arsed about it.

06 Oct 2015 19:50:44
No, I mean his comments don't sound so funny when the results aren't there.

07 Oct 2015 04:08:36
I don't expect them to be funny when he loses.

06 Oct 2015 15:38:23
ED001 1st of all sorry to hear about your friend, i pray that all goes well mate. 2nd i saw a post you commented on stating which loan players will be given a chance etc

can either you or ed002 confirm whether liverpool can recall llori? or does the loan to buy, if thts what it is mean its a fore gone conclusion that liverpool now have no option to get him back?

thanks ladies you make this site the best on the net

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate and I believe it is impossible to recall him outside of a transfer window.}

06 Oct 2015 16:28:38
no problem mate.so we can recall him in a transfer window? i assumed that aston villa could keep him with the buy option they have,hpefully he gets a chance, to be honest I've never really seen him play, but people on here say he's brilliant.

thanks again mate, have a nice day. xxxxxxxxxxx

{Ed001's Note - every loan can always be ended by mutual consent in a transfer window, regardless of recall options etc.}

06 Oct 2015 17:39:08
I also believe Illori still has to agree to the transfer if they exercise their right to buy, it's only Liverpool that gave away their option to retain him?

I guess he might be tempted to stay under a new manager if he was told he was part of the future plans and the either Lovren or Skrtel were not. He's not exactly getting much game time on loan yet either.

Right now I'd rather we brought in Hummels though as we need a clear leader.

06 Oct 2015 14:59:17
Eds JK has given an interview saying "its not a defo yes or a defo no"

Is this something to be positive about or just him brushing the story off please.

thank you.

{Ed002's Note - It was no more than a journalist bothering him as he left the Leverkusen stadium last night. Ignore it.}

06 Oct 2015 14:48:00
Would like to start by wishing BR all the best in the future and hope has success as he gave us one of the best seasons I have ever witnessed. I do not hold all praise for him and believe that that season was the catalyst to his sacking as setting the bar high means the awful football of the last 14 months has been unacceptable. The rubbish of the committee is also annoying as the best managers have worked under different constraints.after 300m spent you would expect us to be more then a one man tram and the excuse if losing 4 great players is lost when you sign 30+. The mistakes and annoying factors has been done to death so move on and new start new hope.

I have supported LFC for over 35 years and have seen many highs and too many lows all I expect of the manager is to give us hope again. I remember magic nights under Dalglish and rafa and houllier and 1 season under BR and the under rated Evans . for the new manager no pressure of winning the title as we have spent far too much on sub standard teams but all I ask is progress and an identity.

Whether Klopp or CA or someone else they need time and our support, Anfield has become a graveyard even under Hodgson the atmosphere was better .I want to feel that atmosphere again the one I fell in love with when I first visited liverpool as a 12 year old .

Also whoever takes over we need not look to them signing their old players as the abuse Joe Allen gets is nothing short of pathetic because he is BR boy.my preference of manager is klopp because if we get CA most will expect the title next year.

06 Oct 2015 13:39:26
Eds I'm looking for your opinion on wether or not there will be a sizeable amount of money available in the January transfer window for klopp to be able to put his stamp on this club? Otherwise Brendan might as well of stayed on until summer in my eyes?

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - No there won't be.}

06 Oct 2015 13:58:56
There should be no need to spend sizeable amounts. We don't need to go through all that again. The squad has enough quality to challenge if it is managed properly. It is all about using existing resources properly which Brendan failed to do repeatedly.

06 Oct 2015 14:07:16
I'm getting rather worried people are jumping the gun. I know it sounds likely he will join, but Klopp has only held talks (or his people have anyway). Let's just wait and see before we all start hyping it up.

06 Oct 2015 14:07:49
The rest of this season should be just to take each game as it comes. For Klopp to get to know his players, to generate some stability, confidence and defensive solidity. See where we are at the end of the season or even the final run in. We should still be challenging for 5th place imo

06 Oct 2015 14:14:35
Nonsense. Rodgers wasnt sacked because of the players he bought. It was his tactical ineptitude,his ego and the the lack of squad harmony. Are you saying we should have put up with the awful footbool for a full season because we can't buy our way out of it. That was the Rodgers solution,and it clearly doesn't work when the tactical system is flawed. that's why we're now going for the best options available. Managers who know how to get the best out of what they've got. Klopp or whoever comes in will be fully aware of the financial restrictions and so will be taking the job under no illusions and they will feel they can improve the current crop of players. Klopp will make his stamp on the squad by getting us tactically coherant. We don't know how good this squad can be under a real leader and when everyone understands their role within a system.

06 Oct 2015 14:52:10
Exactly, Cmac! BR`s way is just spend, spend, spend and see what sticks. if it works, he takes all the credit and doesn`t even mention that the TC was involved (not that he needs to) and when it fails, he implies that he`s being stifled by said TC and blames everyone else. We will now see how good this squad can be under a manager (Klopp, I hope) who is tactically astute and knows what he is doing. As for the rest of the season, just take it one game at a time. There are 30 games left. that's almost a whole season in some countries (Germany play 34 league games and Portugal plays 30 games a season. there is still a lot to play for and we are not far off so allow Klopp to be Klopp (if he`s in and let him work. i had no expectations this year so nothing changes for me. i`m just excited with the prospect of going to watch a game and knowing we can win instead of just hoping we draw vs Norwich.

06 Oct 2015 15:03:10
I think January should be used to off load some players the manager doesn't want.

Theres no need to be buying players as that time, we can save it for the summer and use the CL money we will have lol.

06 Oct 2015 15:43:06
This team without realising it has been built for Klopp.

Brendan wanted to or more to the point had to play 4-3-3, every other formation just seemed a stop gap till pressure went to continue pursuing it.

This squad of players now will sing to klopps tune, its a high press counter attacking team (13/14 any body). Hendo will be back to his best, firmino, sturridge, ibe, ings and the one i'm most excited about is lallana under klopp. Not one of these players are possession based players, there direct using pace and power.

I have no hesitation to say that we won't need any signing other than a gk to have this team flying again, where they end up is another thing but if there is one person I would like to be right now it will be klopp

Another point is he gets to take over a 300 million pound squad and for as long as we don't really buy anyone everyone will say he did it without spending haha jammy sod

If it happens then the above will mean something, fingers crossed.

Eds i believe we need a cm and I'm a big fan of Tielemans from Anderlecht and I also no that klopp loves him, will that be an option to pursue? He ticks alls the boxes foe fsg aswel.

06 Oct 2015 15:50:43
No I'm not saying we should have stuck with the awful way in which we approached games but I feel there was a naivety around the signings we made. Can you see James Milner being someone klopp will be licking his lips wanting to work with? Or our totally inadequate centre halves keeping clean sheets and playing the klopp type of football? I'm not saying he got sacked for the players he signed but I feel a lot of our player types are stock piled. I really believe that a major problem is finding positions for both firmino and coutinho in the same 11 but I'm hoping klopp does this. Do stureidge and Benteke play together? Perhaps getting to january like you say will be a time to offload and maybe give klopp just enough to get one or two players in. The end of the day he has bought players cheap enough in the past who have been major sucesses. I guess I shows the benefit we would of had if he was appoint in the summer loaded with 80m

06 Oct 2015 16:54:52
Yeah but john you're just contradicting yourself, you said we should have stuck with Brendan for the season if we can't give Klopp a pile of money to fix the team? And then go and least a lot more reasons why it was right to get rid of Rodgers. Yes whoever comes in has a lot of cleaning to do but most of the arguments against you are you saying we should have kept rodgers because we can't throw money at cleaning up his mistakes.
Just looking at our squad and then looking at the system Klopp played at Dortmund.Not that we'll defo play that way,im sure it will be determined by our squad,but just as a template. Milner actually could work quite well,he could play wide right in the blaszczykowski role. Its playing him as a centre mid that was madness.

06 Oct 2015 21:44:13
I guess I'm just trying to understand the timing of it cmac mate. End of the day I'm over the moon if it comes off but it would of been so much wiser and exciting had he been appointed 3 month earlier but I guess I'm being greedy. I hope your right regarding Milner btw.

I really hope klopp does come and get an extra 20% out of each player then I really do believe that we will be in with a shot at top 4 which I believe we have anyway with the league being so weak/inconsistent.

I for one believe that he will want to move people on in January and believe there will be a little bit of cash there for him to spend, but that's only gut feeling. My one area of concern though if we aren't going to bring in centre halves until summer we really need protection both in front of them and behind them so let's hope a gk and cm are on his list

06 Oct 2015 13:26:34
I have a question for any Eds/Reds

Ed1 especially talked about buying 1 too many players for the 1st team stopping the young players getting a chance in the 1st team. But my question is would it really matter under a good coach like klopp, ancelotti, jose or someone like that as buying a 32 mill benteke will not stop Sinclair making it as whoever impresses him in training will be picked for the game right ?. surely a benteke forces Sinclair to up his level of performance, having sturridge, ings, benteke, origin, Sinclair having to be at the absolute top of there game to be picked will produce results on the pitch and in turn lead to high league finishes which would let us receive CL money to not worry about benching a 32 mill benteke ?

or am I way off as i'm assuming lol

thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it might give youngsters someone to aim at, but it is often only when they get a chance in the team, through injuries or loss of form from the first choice, that they actually up their game and impress more in training. If there are too many players, they will never get the opportunity, as there will always be another senior player to pick ahead of them.}

06 Oct 2015 14:31:50
Right in ways but it also means giving them a chance to impress in a game if they're training hard and looking sharp - You need have the bottle to drop a 32.5 mill striker and go with a youngster if it looks the best thing to do

06 Oct 2015 13:01:52
Hi All,

Weekend Loan update. Sorry it's late this week I got a bit distracted by the managerial merry go round.

Ojo palyed for the first hour as Wolves beat Huddersfield 3-0

Lloyd Jones (International) was left out the Blackpool squad as they beat Swindon 1-0. Vigouroux returned to Swindon and played the full 90. Williams missed the game for Swindon due to international duties.

Andre Wisdom wasn't in the squad as Norwich lost 2-1 to Leicester

Aberdeen have now lost 3 on the bounce losing 5-1 at home to St Johnstone! Danny Ward played the full 90 whilst McLaughlin was an unused sub.

Luis Alberto played for 70 minutes as Deportivo drew 1-1 with Granada

Ballotelli was not named in the squad as AC lost 4-0 at home to Napoli

Markovic missed out through injury as Fenerbache drew 2-2 with Akhisar

Wilson was an unused sub as Crewe lost 2-1 to Chesterfield

Awoniyi was an unused sub as FSV lost 4-0 to Heidenheim

Yesil played the full 90 getting one assist as Luzern drew 2-2 with Lugano

Canos was an unused sub as Brentford lost 2-0 to Derby.

Illori again didn't make the squad as Villa lost 1-0 to Stoke
Your on a losing streak Tim could be your chance to chuck him in!

Allan played the full 90 as Seinajoen beat Ilves 2-1 returning them to the top of the league

Ryan Kent played the full 90 as Coventry beat Shrewbury 3-0

06 Oct 2015 13:15:03
Cheers mate - appreciated as always.

06 Oct 2015 16:46:52
balotelli had one of his infamous illnesses i believe, no post on twitter of a thermometer this time though !

06 Oct 2015 12:38:42
To ed001. You don't have to post this to the page just wanted to send a message to support ya with what you're going through with your mate. I've tragically lost 5 good mates through the years and i know how tough it can be. hope he's doing ok and that you're enjoying your time with him and your daughter. Been visiting this site for years and reading your posts it nearly feels like you're a good friend. And just hope you're doing well. I really appreciate all you and the other eds do. Y.n.w.a.

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much mate, I really appreciate that. Sorry to hear about your friends. Sadly it just seems that the older you get the more you lose.

I understand what you mean though, sometimes it does feel just like having a chat with friends when writing the notes on here.}

06 Oct 2015 12:51:25
Good luck with your friend ed. Hope he recovers

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much mate.}

06 Oct 2015 13:55:33
Well said cmac an to ed1 I'm sure all the users an abusers on here send their best wishes, my thoughts are with you, your friends an family at this sad time. YNWA

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

06 Oct 2015 14:09:04
Add me to that, best wishes to all

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much.}

06 Oct 2015 14:19:20
Seconded here. Nobody wants to see someone in emotional pain. Especially a fellow Red. Having lost a couple of members of my family this year I know how much support means, even from those you've never met. That support can mean more sometimes. Am sure your mate will look after you while your looking after him ed. There's nothing like friendship fella, you don't get many good ones and am sure your mate appreciates it. Be strong and smile ed, I found a smile gives the best strength.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate, he is a good lad, despite being a Mancunian, one of life's genuinely nice people.}

06 Oct 2015 14:55:10
Praying for you, Ed!

{Ed001's Note - thank you. I do appreciate that.}

06 Oct 2015 15:22:18
just read all the comments ,i want to echo what everyone has said .
hope your mate gets better as soon as possible.

franky

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much franky, it does make a huge difference knowing so many people care.}

06 Oct 2015 17:29:03
Yes truly a time to cherish family and friends ed. Having lost my aunt a few months ago i know the pain all too well. Chin up and keep smiling mate and thanks for staying with us despite what's going on.

{Ed001's Note - sorry to hear about your aunt mate, my condolences to all your family.}

06 Oct 2015 17:52:12
Best luck and wishes for your friend ed.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

06 Oct 2015 11:27:42
first proper post just wanted to say when we brought in Rogers I hoped we could do things a different way and be successful with young coach and not chuck loads of money at it.
But it seems the lfc job eventually sends managers a bit crazy I feel we need a big character (been listening to Rogers too much) to make the difference and cope with the role.
If it's Klopp then I think his knowledge of the bundesliga could be useful to fill the gaps in the squad akin to what Benitez did.
whatever happens I'm right behind the team on match day.
Remember when you walk through the storm hold your head up high.

06 Oct 2015 11:14:17
Do we know why as Macca quoted the club have made a massive turn around and went for Klopp rather than Ancelotti?
Or is it the case that Ancelotti kindly turned us down and we had no choice but to go for Klopp

Thanks
Willie

06 Oct 2015 12:17:13
According to reports Klopp has always been the man they wanted, even before Rodgers they wanted Klopp. Klopp always wears his heart on his sleeve, tries his best to get involved with the fans as much as possible and gets attached to the everyday understanding of the club. He demands respect from his players, no messing around if you under perform you'll know about it and that's what Rodgers failed to do.

Klopp is an outstanding manager and like i said likes to get close to the club in the sense of start from the fans, the history, the atmosphere, the players, the backroom staff and the owners he takes all of that on board and makes it his own so to speak.

Ancelotti no doubt world class manager won nearly everything but does he have the same attitude as Klopp with making the club his own i don't think so he would just see it as a job and a job alone. Klopps loyal i just can't see Ancelotti being so loyal.

06 Oct 2015 12:18:06
Maybe they thought Klopp wasn't interested and they would end up with Carlo.

06 Oct 2015 12:55:28
Favourite story about Klopp is him supposedly making the team pull pints for the fans at Christmas bash. tells you everything about the man if it's true.

06 Oct 2015 11:02:38
When is the next podcast due? If we appoint a new manager this week, would there be time to do one about him and they're managerial team, whoever it is?

Ta

06 Oct 2015 12:05:12
How about one once a appointment is made? Got a few things written already for AVB.

06 Oct 2015 14:13:05
Great. Love hearing about all Mourinhos offspring.

Would like to hear LVG sing VILLA BOAS ARMY if you arrange that for the podcast?

06 Oct 2015 10:54:32
Ed001 if you're not to busy mate I just want to ask you one quick question please.Ed002 reckons Klopp may not be a good fit for Liverpool but from your point of view what do you think he'll bring to the club?

{Ed001's Note - inspirational leadership is his main asset. Right now that is what we need more than anything. Someone to inspire the players and fans.}

06 Oct 2015 11:59:42
Many thanks for your reply Ed.

06 Oct 2015 12:01:52
I was just watching some videos of Klopp's goal celebrations. If the man is able to translate that energy, enthusiasm and belief into even half of the team players, then I bet you anything that we're going to see marked differences in player performances on the pitch. I know most English managers conduct themselves like "gentlemen scholars" on the sidelines, but Klopp's celebrations scream "we, we, we" while I always felt Rodgers' single finger salute always indicated "yeah, that's me, me, me". Anyway, Klopp is clearly a non-conformist, unique and different type of personality to what we normally see as a manager on most football fields. Maybe that's what is required to push LFC out of it's decades long slumber. Fingers crossed.

06 Oct 2015 09:54:45
so apparently stevie texted sakho to congratulate him as he was the captain in the europa match. wouldn't mind him as the VC actually.

maybe he overreacted against lukaku, i don't know what was said though. but if our young players are tackled heavily, i wouldn't mind seeing players like hendo and sakho standing up for them, as stevie often did for sterling.

06 Oct 2015 11:05:00
I think Sakho has been really really messed about by BR.You can definitely tell he's a real team player as in"You tackle one of my mates badly you tackle me"Sakho should be one of the first names on the team sheet and but no disrespect to Milner he should never have gotten the VC job that should have been Sakho's or Lucas.

07 Oct 2015 04:14:39
I bet you that both Sahko and Lucas are popping champagne to celebrate the departure of a manager who couldn't get rid of them fast enough.

06 Oct 2015 09:32:22
Hey Reds,
Reading about Barcelona's interest in Coutinho and Coutinho's supposed preference to move to Barça.
A difficult decision indeed, but I personally would sell simply because we wouldn't need to buy another no.10 as we have Fimino and Lallana and possibly Teixeira.

06 Oct 2015 09:51:22
Kawabanga, I don't think that's a good idea because Firmino is not settled yet (hopefully he will very soon) and Lallana seems to be a different player compared to coutinho, at the moment Coutinho is one of our best players tho he lacks consistency. We have to learn to keep our star players for us to compete with big teams.
If we continue selling our best players we will always be a rebuilding error

06 Oct 2015 09:52:15
Another reason is that we may sell Couts is due to needing to recoup money before the summer, especially now we are paying off Brendan's contract on top of everything else.

Also, I think this is where a possible sale of Sturridge may occur! (Subject to interest and a decent bid).

06 Oct 2015 09:54:11
Hypothetically I would hope Pipco leaves a move to Barca for 2 years,I really can't see him breaking into the team. I can't see him displacing the front 3 of MSN and Iniesta probably has 2 years left and Rakitic is brilliant in the midfield. He won't go into Biscuits position,So there are only 5 places he could play and I can't see him disturbing any of those 5. With Turan also soon to be there.I think it would be a great waste of his youthful talent and would reduce his exposure to learn.

06 Oct 2015 09:59:57
Ridiculous post! We need to be keeping our best players, there's a reason Barcelona are interested, and it's not because he's best mates with Neymar. What sort of statement would that send to the new manager if we're prepared to lose our best player in his first full season.

06 Oct 2015 11:17:55
Phil can play a much deeper role than a number 10, he can be a modric style player, I personally prefer him coming from deep. Stick him in centre mid with Henderson and let firmino be the number 10. You just don't sell coutinho, that's the most ridiculous thing I heard

06 Oct 2015 21:26:50
If that is the case the i hope we utilise lallana, teixeira and firmino more and more so we don't have to spend any money when coutinho leaves. All the answers are already here.

06 Oct 2015 09:28:25
Ed. In your opinion what should the target be on Klopp/Ancelotti re where Pool finish on the league?

{Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work like that. Liverpool are looking to bring in a new manager - there will not be any discussions about such matter as targets. The discussions will focus on other matters.}

06 Oct 2015 09:50:13
Ed. What other matters? Formations? Captaincy? Care to elaborate?

{Ed002's Note - You don't seem to have any grasp about what is going on. Nobody will be talking to his agent or him about nonsense regarding formations and the captaincy. It will be about money, a signing on fee, wages, who he wants to bring with him, what the terms are if he leaves, will he work within the current structure, will any money be available next summer etc..}

06 Oct 2015 10:17:29
Thanks Ed

06 Oct 2015 08:41:29
I wonder if Logic can actually prevail here, FSG wast a DoF style management structure and Klopp wants to bring in the BvB DoF to work with him. The transfer committee obviously hasn't been very successful. So scrap it and bring in the Management structure they want and make Klopp happy. Friday could be a new dawn :D

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Klopp wanting Zorc to move to Liverpool - that might well be problematic. The Liverpool board are not going to be restructuring the club to suit a potential new manager.}

06 Oct 2015 08:45:31
For all the blame game aimed at FSG and I was one of them for not sacking Brendan over the summer; credit to them, they took a decisive move to ensure we will get what looks certain to be a top quality manager. For the first time since Rafa we will have a manager with a relevant recent record of winning trophies. Either Klopp or Anchelotti taking over will give the entire club and global fan base a massive lift.

06 Oct 2015 07:49:06
Feeling sorry already for you Ed's should Klopp be appointed. I can see the thousands and thousands of posts coming your way about every Dortmund player the Liverpool fans can name. I feel for you guy's and can already sense your frustrations with the repeated Dortmund player questions.

06 Oct 2015 01:39:29
Sorry to see BR go but if klopp comes who knows he might make a bid for reus, hummels or schelmzer. Let that sink in! Regardless, there are good times ahead

06 Oct 2015 06:47:03
I think the only player we'll go for in January is a better keeper. Other than that, we have players in every position.,
With a great keeper and decent coaching, we have the defenders. We also have a DM in Can or Lucas.
I think GK is the only position we need to strengthen urgently, buying loads of former players was Rodgers first mistake and it heaps pressure on you.

06 Oct 2015 08:09:50
I can see him taking another look at the DM places Ron don't you think, He loves playing with the 2 midfielders who will constantly break up the play but also ping that pass when needed, For me i don't think Lucas is great anymore, I love the guy but i think injuries has killed what he once was but he may look to kendo milner and can for those roles who knows

06 Oct 2015 08:26:31
I think Can is far from good enough defensively to count him as a CDM. We have Lucas but that's it. Can should be used box to box but has far too many flaws in any other position.

06 Oct 2015 08:53:21
Maybe Henderson could fill next to Lucas or Can? But I would think if he goes with two DMs then there isn't enough depth for 50 games, as Hendersons injury proves (thought this guy was made of steel)

GK. Agree, but Mignolet has improved, he won us a point at Everton if fairness and many games he has made great saves. Yes he makes mistakes, but then there is this great coaching we're now talking about. Add an improved defence, again due to coaching and distribution. Migs is no problems with throwing, Rodgers wanted a sweeper keeper which he ain't. Now to Jan will be make or break, but with these improvements Migs isn't a bad keeper.

Left back. Said all summer we need cover for Moreno, yes surprise package Gomez played there, but we all know that's not where he should be. Again it's the 50 games on one player, no happening.

Otherwise we have a massive squad and cover in all areas which if not good enough must be sold on before replaced. LB is our weakest area, if it wasn't Sterling, Ibe, Markovic and Ings wouldn't have been played out there. I trust Moreno can and will be a great LB or LWB but can't play every game. Gomez need to play CB.

{Ed001's Note - when has Mignolet ever made a great save, rather than a good save look great by his awful footwork needing him to sprawl full length to stop a pass that would have hit his foot if he wasn't so desperate to get it out of the way?}

06 Oct 2015 08:58:04
Re better keeper, in the derby Ming was our MOM and saved at least 2-3 goals. Had nothing to do against the goal we conceded. I wouldn't mind brining a world class keeper but I think we have other priorities.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but the keeper is the major issue and has been since day one of Rodgers' reign and we are still in the same position. Mignolet is terrible, not one Premier League level keeper would have let in any of those shots. He made one good save, but still one that any Prem keeper would be expected to make. He still flaps at crosses, he still can't kick the ball, he still tries to get down to use his hands against balls kicked at his feet and he still can't catch.}

06 Oct 2015 09:03:06
Has any first team keeper ever been sold in January Ron? Genuine question I can't think of 1.I think it would be suicidal for a team to do that,and they'd definitely charge a big sum.It's a first team keeper we need. who do you think will be available in Jan?

{Ed023's Note - Igor Akinfeev? CSKA keeper? Russia will be in their off season so that might be possible? I'd prefer Bernd Leno though.

06 Oct 2015 09:21:40
I only watched Akinfeev in international ed.He pretty much had a meltdown at wc14 and was awful. I've not been impressed when I watch friendlies/qualifiers either.Have I just watched him in matches where he's been off form?

{Ed023's Note - I haven't seen him since the days when he was linked with United.. Just throwing a suggestion of him because of the league he's in - thinking Klopp or whoever takes over might have a gem from over there lol}

06 Oct 2015 09:20:42
Now that BR has gone, it looks like Migs is the one that Ed1 is now targeting for his opinionated criticism

{Ed001's Note - have you got nothing to say other than to be a complete and utter bellend? Try explaining why I am wrong, if you disagree, or give it a rest and infest someone else's website with your pointless whines. People like you just waste everyone's time with their moronic utterances that offer nothing of value. You have never once made any kind of point and it is time you either did or left us alone because this is your very final warning. One more pointless bitch like a 5 year old girl, with nothing of value, no argument to support your childish whines, and you will be deleted. It is pointless having you around as all you do is slag off those who have the sense to see what you can not do. You offer nothing to this site and I am bored of it. Make an argument in defence of your views or be removed. But then your only view is to slag off anyone who disagrees with you, so run along and support whoever your lover Bodgers goes to, as it is clear you are not a red since 64, you supported a manager over the club's good. Now you are doing it with a player. Embarrassing how some people just do not learn. Maybe that is what you liked about the Bodger and Mignolet? Both of them never learn either.}

06 Oct 2015 09:45:11
I would pick Ron-Robert Zieler. He's good enough, experienced and at just 26, can make the step up.

06 Oct 2015 09:46:03
Ah ok ed23. He might be much better at club level,but I think for the time being,we'd be better placed just waiting till summer personally.
I hope he doesn't bring weidenfeller (if he comes) I'm not a big fan when I've watched him+he's 35. I guess we will see. Leno wouldn't be bad,would you take Ter Stegen? I don't think Barcelona are too impressed with Stegen or they weren't last year. Zieler has had a few good seasons for Hannover.

Jesus,Germany have a wealth of keepers,sadly it looks like neur has that position locked up

{Ed023's Note - They have another lad too, Timo Horn is it? I haven't seen him but he's highly rated in Germany but that could stop Ward's passage to the first team then..}

06 Oct 2015 00:37:31
Lots of people saying Klopp left Dortmund in a relegation dogfight. This is untrue. They finished 7th after struggling earlier in the season and his last game in charge was losing the cup final against Wolfsburg. So it's fair to say he turned the season round after a disappointing start.
Also see people saying he has a track record of selling players - this is an issue for the club, not the manager. A club the size of Dortmund - not unlike LIverpool in current circunstances - will find it hard to hold onto players when the likes of Munich / Madrid / Barca come knocking.

06 Oct 2015 06:36:11
So if we finish 7th after a poor start, is that success?

06 Oct 2015 08:57:01
That isn't what AndyM was saying. Great to see a Klopp moaner already before he's appointed.
He was clarifying that Dortmund were not left in dire straits but climb the table and made a cup final, so when you here Klopp walked out and left BD in trouble it's rubbish.

06 Oct 2015 09:12:22
If we would win the league two times the last 4 years i would take a nr 7 spot and be happy

05 Oct 2015 18:55:08
Edd001
Did you hear Ian Wright on Rodgers mate?
The only pundit who spoke validly on Rodgers. He said the season were many praise Rodgers when we came close many managers would have done the same with suarez etc but it was his job to stop us conceding to actually win the title And he didn't. Also mentioned the defence got worse over his tenure and he did chose most of the players. Spot on.

{Ed001's Note - I haven't heard that sorry.}

06 Oct 2015 08:59:44
Yeah love 606, he called it the Suarez season. Also said he had the money to replace so no argument there either.
He was actually more towards what everyone here has been saying then Kelly was.

{Ed023's Note - I heard Ian Wright discuss it on MOTD2 and I was delighted that one of these pundits finally spoke the truth, good on him.}

06 Oct 2015 09:00:15
Yeah on sky, the only pundit so far to say brendan just was not good enough. The rest are all fairly disingenuous and smarmy blaming the tc.

05 Oct 2015 12:16:55
Ed001 hows the hangover from your presumed celebration last night?

{Ed001's Note - I don't drink mate.}

06 Oct 2015 00:01:45
Eds, there are a few references to people looking forward to the next transfer window. Are we forgetting that we're going to be in trouble with FFP unless we sell some players? I'm wondering how much of an issue that is when we're trying to recruit a new manager? "welcome Jurgen/Carlo (delete as appropriate), your first job is to try and sell some average players on top wages"

{Ed002's Note - None. They need to work with the players at the club. I would not expect significant changes in January and if there are any it will need to be balanced.}

05 Oct 2015 23:16:47
Eds if we were to get klopp how would this effect the FFP rules. With sale of caps for LFC down the past few years surely cap sales will be on the up and take Liverpool comfortably back within FFP rules.

Klopp kaps!

{Ed002's Note - Removing Rodgers makes matter considerably worse of course.}

06 Oct 2015 01:05:25
If its a decision that gets us back on track and into the champions league, how does
it?

{Ed002's Note - Because of the cost.}

06 Oct 2015 02:12:02
All work no play ed haha I was poking fun at klopp's fondness of wear club caps(hats) but no your right i'd say sacking Rodgers will probably cost us around a coutinho.

Klopp kaps!