Liverpool Banter Archive January 07 2013
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07 Jan 2013 23:40:13
I do not think our signings have been average, although i do agree somebody like daniel levy would be excellent for the club. But i still hold that tottenhams success came from the experience and wizzardy of redknapp.
Anonymous woolback
Daniel levy just buys blindly from what i can see (excuse the pun)
He offers silly wages to players siggi who hasnt set the world alote and holtby who is unproven
I much rather we pay a player what theyre worth and no more
A couple seasons without CL and spurs might have to start selling players {Ed002's Note - Liverpool's net spending this summer was 60 times more than Spurs.}
The second guy don't have any clue on football..
Daniel levy is excellent...sold modrich for 35 mill. vandervart for 10 mill..and will sell his players for profit, no matter what it takes..
he will never pay over the odds..never ever..spurs got holtby for free...
they will probably get diamo for under 20 mill...
the guy is genius...
he did made one stuppid mistake..and that was not signing Luis suarez....which he is still regretting...
with bale suarez and lenon..
they would have probably won the EPL now...
If Daniel Levi is picking the players spurs signs then they are in more trouble than us. Surly a manager should pick transfer targets or at very least a director of football rather than a business man.
Liverpool Cabbie
An extremely brief break down off that would be greatly appreciated 60x lollloolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooool
jaydee ynwa {Ed002's Note - The net spend of Liverpool was about £30M and the net spend of spurs about £500k. The difference as a multiplier is 60 times. Embarrassing again for you.}
You keep saying ghe same thing ed but you can't compare the two clubs, one has a team which hasnt meeded much doing to it the other has been stripped to its bones to the point where a 17 year old is seen as a senior player and rested on a thursday night
There was a point this season where we was playing a midfielder as a striker, a winger as a left back, henderson as a right back, etc
So if we didnt spend money i dnt think we wouldve had enough players to play, we havent spent 30 mill on quality to add to quality we've spent it because we have no choice,
Its not all about transfer fees though is it ed theyve put holtby on like 80k a week and he might not even be good enough,
They got siggi coz they offered more wages
Wasnt they minutes away from signing moutinho? How much was he gonna set them back Ed?
{Ed002's Note - The bottom line is I am not making the comparison, the posters are. There is no point bleating at me about is. If you want the likes of Sterling out of the club, we do a range of efigies that can be burned.}
Like how my reply to ed wasnt posted, didnt have an answer ed?
About how its not all about wages an the fact our squad is stripped to its bare bomes and we have had no choice but to spend and that spurs have a full squad and nearly bought moutinho?
Exactly {Ed001's Note - you gobby little tit, Ed002 isn't around to answer your pathetic whines about things you don't understand. Give it a rest, you have no idea what you are talking about. We have a higher wage bill than Spurs.}
Ed02 fair enough eds but at the end of the day not everything is straight forward
And i never said i don't want sterling at the club just saying a then 17 year old shouldnt have been forced to be a first teamer and just saying thats how bare our squad is which is why we've HAD to spend money spurs have no need really but still dish out top contracts to unproven players so im not buying this idea that he's any better than FSG for that
And ed01 thanks for calling me names but uncalled for tbh
In answer to your question i don't know how true it is that we have a higher wage bill than spurs with our thin squad but say it is...
Arent these players contracts the aftermath of past regimes? it doesnt mean we wan to continue this pattern which almost had us in administration
U can see by our hard stance on over paying players for what theyre worth that sooner rather than later our overall bill WILL be less than the likes of spurs etc
Please don't mistake my passion for my club for rudeness it wasnt my intention {Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I get fed up of people whining about their posts not being posted when they have been. I shouldn't have jumped on you though, it was uncalled for, you caught me at a bad time and I was out of order.}
07 Jan 2013 23:37:17
not a rumour but if liverpool got rid of carroll henderson downing add to this the money we got/saved from kuyt maxi adam cole etc we should be able to compete for the likes of cavani who given half the chance i think he would like to link up with suarez an what a way to shut everybody up about suarez leaving because of the stick he gets
We should NOT sell Henderson. I repeat, We should NOT sell Henderson.
phillyred
I don't see Downing going anywhere either if he keeps playing well. Hendo only 22, he's the future ...
Take a gamble on Jenkins from Watford, young talent ignored
Downing is finally playing good not amazing but good
We should sell him if we are offered anything over 10 mill if we are able to replace him with a younger player with more goals in him
Cough walcott cough
Cant see downing here in LFC beyond summer...hendo will stay...
To the person who said Young Talent ignored! really have you seen the average age of our team.
07 Jan 2013 23:30:46
In reply to Waro...
FSG have owned the club for little over two years.
FSG were under fire from fans to get rid of Roy and the best option at that time was to bring in somebody who would galvanize the club i.e. Kenny Dalglish. They then spent well over 100 million for new players so I am sure they were expecting better than 8th in the league especially after investing as much as they did back in 2011. Comolli over promised and under delivered and is the reason why he was sent packing and Kenny followed which was a shame but was Kenny going to be our long term solution?
With regards to the DOF issue, that could have been the reason why Rodgers turned the job down the first time FSG made an approach for Rodgers.
Martinez was also not keen on the idea of a DOF so that could have been the reason why FSG had to change their plan of going with a DOF.
FSG wanted a young manager.
Martinez and Rodgers were their targets. Both did not want a DOF.
Rodgers was FSG's favourite for the job and approached him a second time without the issue of having a DOF.
FSG did not appoint Rodgers to create miracles overnight. Upon appointing BR, FSG called for patience.
and finally...
Bringing back the good times is definitely not going to happen in two years and two months since FSG bought the club so a little bit of patience is required.
One final question which as you only spoke about the managerial situation.
If FSG are not Abramovich who has thrown money left right and center each and every season to deliver success, then how can you expect FSG to deliver overnight?
Forgot to sign my post
Max
I agree mate. I think Kenny and Comolli set us back at least 4 transfer windows.
BthekingB
Agreed mate
We all need to stop playing the blame game and get behind BR
Im sure Kenny would want that too
A few more signings and we will deffo be up there you can see the vision slowly coming together
FSG do need to stop hirin the likes of chang, comolli etc though, dnt want another muppet as our next communications exec
Too many things PR wise have gone pear shaped, they can't keep playing around with the reputation of the biggest club in the world
Thats the only real beef i have with FSG
07 Jan 2013 23:27:53
No other striker coming in lads. I heard Brendan has confidence in Suarez, Sturridge and Borini. There's a chance a winger may come in but that is it. No left back as Brendan likes Johnson filling in there with wisdom taking glens rb role. Believe me or not this is what will happen.
Also I do expect the winger to be Ince if we can reach an agreement if not then we will look to a right sided attacker.
07 Jan 2013 23:23:27
Did anybody else see who Stevie G voted for in the Ballon D'or? It was Messi, Ronaldo and Alonso in that order. I don't know why but this just made me smile thinking that Gerrard is still supporting Xabi and clearly they're still good mates.
RedSpud
Where do you read the player votes?
Every international captain and manager get a to pick their top 3 players
King luis
He should have put susrez as three!
07 Jan 2013 23:16:43
hellod eds anyone else who knows where i can buy tickets for the oldham vs liverpool fa cup match from thanks from nabeal
07 Jan 2013 23:04:46
Mark lawers non was mentioned earlier . Fact he never has a good word to say about lfc. I sometimes forget that he even played and eons so much for us. He was on Irish radio a few weeks back ( he's on every saturday ) and said he was asked to take part in the " he ain't heavy he's my brother single" and said he turned it down as he had other plans that day. Now i for one don't know what his plans were but to turn down the chance to support the families shows you through type of person he is.
Very rarely do i not like ex players who did so much foe through club on the pitch. But lawerenson will have a go at lfc at any opertiniuty. He is also a fergie puppet . And this a man who now makes money on mod with the bbc . The same bbc ferries refused to be interviewed by for years. And ML loves him. Shows you again the class of man he is.
Marker
WHAT!!!!
and next who you think actually shot JFK
Lyndon
Lawro was always a Man Utd fan since childhood. Fair play to him he's stuck to his guns.
But on the pitch he was the ultimate pro and was a great player for the club.
Will never be a legend like Kenny, Gerrard, Fowler, Barnes, Thommo, Emlyn, Tommy Smith.
Those lads had real passion and love for the club and the city. Playing for LFC was more than a job to them. For Lawro it was a job. He was great at it and helped the club achieve a lot of success, but he was always a Manc.
Lawro seems a bit bitter, poor chap
Preston n.e is his club
I think he still lives on Merseyside {Ed001's Note - who said Preston North End was his club? He was born in Preston, but he was always a Man Utd fan, never a Preston fan.}
Pne is every mancs 2nd team. i know a few who hold season tickets there because they can't get them for old stretford
He probably is a united fan but for the record he has said on t.v. ( and I was watching when he said it ) that his team are Preston.
Waro {Ed001's Note - really? Talk about a liar then, probably said it to stop people whining about him. I know for a fact that there used to be a lot of banter in the dressing room about his support of United while he played for us.}
07 Jan 2013 22:29:08
Macca has not posted since before new year hoping he has a surprise for us. I was looking over his posts for last summer window and 4 of 6 he claimed are now at club plus walcott is still up for grabs. he also had the exits of adam and carroll spot on.
red2toe
07 Jan 2013 23:11:41
Walcott's not up for grabs mate. He's got what he wants from Arsenal and definitely staying.
07 Jan 2013 23:45:21
Oh yes mate, there's no doubting Macca, usually spot on. If he's not then the interest was definitely there and the management must have either changed their mind or must have been outbid.
BthekingB
He must have a long signature because it's taking him a long time to sign it
07 Jan 2013 22:27:19
does the club keep the money for each round of the eurpa league or does that just play players wages or isw the money we earn go in to transfer kitty thanks {Ed002's Note - There are winnings from each game in teh Europa League that are distributed with other funds at the end of teh season - it is not much really.}
07 Jan 2013 22:17:30
first off, great site eds. I have been hearing romours liverpool are interested in Omar Elabdellaoui of feynoord. Do you know if there is any truth in this? {Ed002's Note - Is he good at one of the fantasy games?}
He's on loan to Feijenoord from Manchester City
...and yes ED, he is a hidden gem on fifa
RWAHC
07 Jan 2013 22:16:27
Hi Ed's can you explain to me how tottenham have money? They seem to attract top players and are targeting top players... They have proved they can offer much higher wages than we can for players... It seems out of the blue to me they have always been a middle tier team... They qualified for the champs league once in 10 years so it can't be that! I no we were in trouble money wise and now were balancing the books... But I can't grasp how out of nowhere tottenham are a bigger team than us! All I can think of is luck (Garth Bale) and they must be in huge debt? {Ed002's Note - Spurs' turnmover is about the same as Liverpool (give or take) but they manage their spending better - Liverpool consistently spend more.}
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So we are the eight biggesrt club in europe and people still whinge that players won't come to us without champions league.... the elite tier might not, the tier below that definately will
Would not trust those records esp arsenals!!
What's the point of the table of clubs?
The bottom line is any club must invest in players (World class!) to succeed and beat others qualifying for CL?
I wish there was a table of teams based on ambition!!
Iranred in London
Dispute LFC's value, the club was bought for less than half that 2 years ago.
What is most worrying is the revenue line, we are so far behind the big teams.
Just goes to show, how much FSG are actually financing the club.
Operating income wiped out by stadium plans and fees, so in truth we are 'in the red'.
There is a long way to go, before we are truly profitable. {Ed002's Note - You are wrong with the value the club was purchased for - perhaps you are confusing currencies.}
07 Jan 2013 22:12:56
Am I the only one who worries about Rodgers pulling power as a manager . I know we're not in the champions league, but his pulling power is worring !!
I hear he has Skirt allover the country!!!
Lyndon!!!
They should play for the Club not the Manager
Based on what? He enticed Sahin ahead of Arsenal. Liverpool FC is pulling power enough regardless of the manager (ask Luis Suarez).
cozinoz
Brendan is the best team mate I have ever had in our tug of war team. FACT.
Exactly cozinoz! Based on what?
Some people just do not get it. We're not looking to sign established world stars. Those type of players are the expensive icing on the cake. They take your team to the next level, they can be the difference between top 4 and champions.
We're still building the foundations. We're building a team/squad which will peak in 4-5 years time. (Kelly, Robinson, Wisdom, Coady, Allen, Shelvey, Suso, Sterling, Henderson, Borini, Sturridge) Then we'll have a strong squad and then we can add the icing on the cake.
M.Aurelius
07 Jan 2013 22:09:43
I really hate to say this but liverpool is a club in serious decline. Spurs are going to become the next borrusia Dortmund in my opinion. The reason for this is simple.. Transfers! Arsenal are in the same boat as us. If levy was at liverpool for the last five years liverpool would be top of the league with the amount of money we have spent on average players.
They seem quite similar to Liverpool to me - a mix of experienced and youth players.
Defoe, Gallas and Parker are in their autumn years but they have some exciting players coming through like we do. We have similar finances - they just seemed to have bought wisely and the league position shows just that, but they are probably our equal at the moment along with Arsenal and Everton
Write enough dempseys a cracker
I personally put some of the transfer credit towards AVB
im impressed with some of the signings he makes:
Juan Mata, Valencia £23.5m
Romelu Lukaku, Anderlecht £20m
Raul Meireles, Liverpool £12m
Thibaut Courtois, Racing Genk, undisclosed fee reported to be £7.9m
Gary Cahill, Bolton, £7m
Kevin De Bruyne, Genk, £6.7m
Oriol Romeu, Barcelona £4.35m
Lucas Piazon, Sao Paulo fee reported to be £5.75m
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Gylfii Sigurddson, Hoffenheim £7m
Jan Vertonghen, Ajax £8m
Moussa Dembele, Fulham undisclosed fee reported to be £14m
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Obviously some of these signings have not been "jaw dropping" signings but the level of quality that these signings have and the potential of some of the younger ones is pretty impressive
Im not though saying that Tottenham are doing well purely because of his transfers! he inherited a good squad and is getting his tactics across to the team well atm...
SR {Ed002's Note - He was responsible for just one of those Chelsea signings.}
Let me guess: Raul Meireles?
BthekingB
I suspect you are correct, BkingB. Care to confirm, Ed02? And who exactly does the player selection at Chelsea anyway? Whoever it is, my hat is off to them...
RDL {Ed002's Note - Correct. A number of people will have an input to any purchase and that will include the manager.}
Spurs played their best football in last 2-3 years...they were terrific last year...but lost some games in the end..causing harry his job..
Levy is the bets owner in this country..
he is so reluctant on money that he buys almost the best..
can see him selling bale atleast 20 mill more than what we could attract for suarez..
levy is a business tactician..
he did one stuppidity...
lost to us on suarez..
can you imagine...bale suarez and lenon???
would have ripped everyones asses...
07 Jan 2013 22:05:01
Can everyone stop this nonsense about Reina leaving. He will be going nowhere. As for those who seem to want him out, please please please be quiet.
Pepe is one of the best keepers in the world let alone the premiership. Can not name another keeper who would dramatically improve us. Brad Jones is a nice guy, and he is good shot stopper, but he's a bloody goal keeper and so he should be!! Reina is so much more, his communication and distrobution makes him stand out above any other...
redphil
He has a glaring weakness though redphil in his inabilty to diminate aerially
Re his distribution anyone have any facts that state how many goals pepe s distribution have directly contributed to?
tom1975
always believed reina was overhyped, great at some things poor at others
All goalkeepers have a shelf life. Looks like Pepe's has expired, like Cech etc.
Once they are worked out and weaknesses exposed their confidence goes and they never recover.
Just like Boxers.
Yep I noticed that too. At around the 20th time through the washer and dryer the elastic starts to give and the material gets less snug.
Who is going to entertain him on his current form...?
Why are people so much worried about finances.there is much more to life and football.obviously, levy will eke out as much as possible.but you have got to respect players interest as well.like we did for kuyt.he wanted to go to fenerbache, but some other club was ready to pay more.but we let him go to fenerbache as he wanted to go there and we got very less money.
INDIAN SCOUSER YNWA
07 Jan 2013 21:58:53
Fergie going for a 4-5-2 formation on Sunday.
Van Persie and Webb up front.
No keeper then?
To the first commentor, oh my god !
derryred
"No keeper then?" Absolutely the most stupid response ever.
BthekingB
I ll go with 4-0 for mancs...quite realistically
I think he meant that either Webbis the 12th man or that they don't need a keeper because Webb will rule them all off for off side or something
Slowpoke
07 Jan 2013 21:52:31
Premier league the best in the world.... All 11 players on team of the year from la liga .
Marker
Only 1 player out with Barcelona and Real Madrid!? Ridiculous!
Even Spanish football fans say the premier league is the best in the world. Most people have a second team that they follow in the premier league. Furthermore look at where the money is! La liga will be bankrupt soon.
The ballon d'or is ridiculous. Eric Meijer never even made the top 3 ever!! Ridiculous.
Id say gk rb lb cb should be different
neuer
laamb
hummels
baines
mayhem 1981
Other players to stand out the last year pirlo great for juve and italy same with chielinni also kompany silva van persie and buffon
mayhem 1981
07 Jan 2013 21:47:58
Michu to sign for 15 million
mccarthur to sign for 8 million
Who for mate?
I'd take michu in a heartbeat
Biggest load of b******* I've heard in a wee while
Irish Red
07 Jan 2013 21:33:10
is it true pacheco is on his way to norwich
I really hope if its true that its just for a loan coz I'm sure that one will come back to haunt us.
Cudge
Yes, but he got lost on the M6, the toll road confused him. last i heard he was near ashford in kent.
Hell must be right lost then.
Kopping a feel
07 Jan 2013 21:16:50
hey ed why do majority of people think that walcot would come to lfc why would he come to the pool is there any connections????? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea why folks think that.}
He supports lfc
07 Jan 2013 22:09:17
He's a massive liverpool fan, that's where it comes from. {Ed002's Note - Normally these things are driven by interest in the player.}
07 Jan 2013 21:06:49
Is David villa in London to meet with arsenal or is it jus twitter crap
Depends on what he was driving! If it's a bmw the rumour is true
07 Jan 2013 21:06:26
mark lawrencon in paper today slating liverpool saying he would have ba over stturidge any day and kissing old whiskey noses horse by saying he would vote for van persie over suarez for player of the year. thought that person could give a wee bit of backing to liverpool seeing they were good enough to him over the years
Lol Lawro I think he tries to compensate for Hansen's bias. All the best.
KNEE JERK.
You should not always beleive what you read!
oliverpool!
Or he could be impartial as a journalist?
That guy is a complete tool mate I wouldn't worry about anything he says coz every time he opens his mouth crap dribbles down his chin
Can't stand him mate; never has a good word to say about us... like a few people on here! Haha!
He is a tool, he's never asked a serious question on MOTD even, he just throws in a comment every now and again when Hansen or whoever is speaking and laughs to himself
Larwo posts on this site under the name Waro...
Mark Lawrenson PLAYED for Liverpool.
Mark Lawrenson IS a man you fan - haven't you realised that by now?
DM2013
07 Jan 2013 21:01:34
Hi eds just wanted to say we should of signed ki wen he was at Celtic if we wanted him now it would be 10m easy same with Michu 20m easy not bad profits for Swansea if they do decide to sell to any one
Danandovski
07 Jan 2013 20:58:30
Eds isit true reina is going to man u, personally i don't believe it {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers please.}
07 Jan 2013 20:53:27
I ent being funny Edds an mostly edd002 but I remember when the Liverpool ince sarga was going on an you lot had not one good word to say about him and then once he started getting some form at Blackpool and people were asking if there was a chance we could get him back you laughed at posters an mocked them an now your Sitting here trying to act all wise when the facts are your just persons doing guess work like the jernos you hate. You think we forget but not all of us do but my rumour is we won't sign ince or anyone els this window we will save our cash for when we can lure the big names when we get into CL an get more bang for our buck
Adamlfc {Ed002's Note - And you will point me at all of my hateful ramblings and laughing about Ince so we can share them with everyone else? I would have had zero to say against him at the time he left Liverpool. And where was I mocking posters about Ince? And will you share with everyone where I have said I hate "jernos"? This seems to be a very embarrassing post. Have you been drinking?}
Walk straight into that one....
Sorry about that ed i would hate for us to associated with that dingbat.
derryred
I tried to read this post out loud.
Where's my inhaler?
BigBadBen. (note the full stop...)
Com on Adam - haven't you realised that Ed002 can't take criticism - if you write something she doesn't really like then the whole post disapperas!
DM2013 {Ed002's Note - His post didn't disappear - he is no more than a deluded lying jerk - your posts were simply misinformation from a DF.}
Show me the way to go home I'm tired and a want to go to bed a had a 40 ouncer about a hour ago and it went straight to my head.
07 Jan 2013 20:42:51
Got to admit ed02 I was sitting on the bus reading someone telling you to get out your hole and saying about FSG making profit with Liverpool your response cracked me up so much I was sitting on the bus trying so hard not to laugh lol. But thankyou for that it was so funny when reading his ridiculous comments I could just see him getting owned after lol. Everyone with a brain appreciates you incase you didn't know :)
Londonred {Ed002's Note - We are going to introduce a half a brain lower limit on posting.}
Haha please do I mean the ridiculous negative posts are one thing but people saying FSG are actually making a profit and are rubbish is really irritating that people are so arrogant. Although if they get replies like that I would be happy! Haha
I think a half brain cell limit would be an improvement on some of the posts Ive read lately ! {Ed002's Note - You should see some of teh "advice" the vegetables are giving me at the moment.}
07 Jan 2013 20:26:28
Exactly what do supporters want, the transfer market is inflated in January so we don't want to go and spend loads of money on average players or players that we can get for a lot less in the summer. Would it not be better if we can't get the players we want for the price we want to keep the money we have and add it to the summer budget. Then we can't buy 1 or 2 class players that are going straight into the first team and make a difference. Rather than 2 more squad players now and another couple in the summer. Sturidge has come in to help at the top end and Borin will soon be back from injury so it will be like having 2 new players. We will probably get another 1 on loan so lets all stop twinning and get behind BR and the team for the rest of the season.
Murton Red
06 Jan 2013 22:08:21
Hey Ed's, what did you make of DS' performance tonight? Would appreciate your opinion(s) {Ed052's Note - terrible. But he will get better}
08 Jan 2013 15:36:30
Yet he got man of the match ed052?? Shut up, considering he hasn't played much football for a while now, he looked pretty sharp to me! Alot more to come from that lad if given the chance!
Hardy1892 ynwa {Ed052's Note - I am giving him a chance. He said himself he was poor and thats to be expected}
07 Jan 2013 20:16:43
Fowler99, to answer your question earlier, no I don't have a problem with John Henry or people who were glasses ( feel free to edit that bit out if you want Ed's )!
My problem is with there actions so far with regards the club and were they will take the club in the future.
It's nothing more then concern for my club.
Without questioning voices Hicks and Gillett would still own the club, and if they were in anyway savvy they would have controlled the information that came out of the club then people such as yourself would be on forums such as this defending them especially after the money they spent, and trying to shout down people like myself who can see all is not right. Leave your mind open to other peoples opinions insted of blindly accepting what your being told because it's alot easier that way.
Waro
Ok Waro
I have taken your opinion into consideration. Clearly nobody on this site can look into a crystal ball and predict the outcome.
So I have two questions for you.
1. Would you prefer an owner like Abramovich or City's oil fields to run LFC plus your reasoning behind your answer.
and
2. What would you have done differently since FSG took ownership taking into consideration where the club was when they made their purchase in October 2010.
Max
Exactly what actions are leading you to develop conspiracy theories in regards to FSG? Surely it's not because they haven't spent 500million turning us in to a team of mercenaries, because you claim to have an open mind.
And I'm sorry to break it to you but the only questioning voices that led to the exodus of Hicks were at the Royal Bank of Scotland. They never left because the fans hated them, mores the pity because I was one of those fans crying for their heads.
FSG are still trying to right the ship after Hicks nearly destroyed our beloved LFC. Much like the new owners of the Texas Rangers did and the Dallas Stars are trying to do.
You claim to have an open mind? Try looking up all that FSG have actually done for this club to start building us back up instead of picking only the mistakes that they've made. No one is perfect, but FSG certainly have the best interests of LFC at heart and they want to win.
SpudRed
Mate end of the day these boys are better business men than you and I. They have experienced success with the redsox who are a big franchise over in the USA. What right do we have to question them and their methods. They know much more about the financial structure of our club than anyone on this site, i highly doubt that fans drove hicks and gillette out, (maybe ed02 knows more about it)
Just let them do their job.
derryred {Ed002's Note - The downturn in the economy hit H&G really hard. If things pick up maybe they can buy the club back from FSG?}
Waro, You're looking more likely to win your coaching badge at the minute, than passing your GCSE Economics....
Stick to the football, you'll be fine.
BigBadBen
Max in answer to your questions
1. No I wouldn't want owners like Abramovich, I would like the club to be placed in the hands of the fans in some kind of share issue, because although Abramovich has taken a mid/lower table team and made them Champions with his resources he has taken that club away from there fans, it's his toy and the fans are an after thought.
2. What would I have done differently to FSG, I wouldn't have given the job to a manager I didn't want just to get the fans onside, having done this I then wouldn't have have been so obvious with my veiled threats to said manager by placing such obvious unrealistic demands on him thus letting everybody know that he was out once he didn't meet those lofty targets.
I wouldn't have made the search for his succesor a media circus/beauty pagent, trailing out a long list of people who used the club to improve there contracts at the clubs they were already at or made us look a laughing stock by rejecting us out of hand, then get my man tell him he would be working with a DOF ( because that's how we WILL be structuring the management at the club ) only for him to pull my kecks down at the unveiling press confrence telling the media and watching world that he wouldn't work under those terms.
I wouldn't promise the fans we aim to make the club the best in England and then Europe when I had no intention of giving my manager such funding needed to back up my boastful posturing.
I have more but we would be here all night, you asked me some questions and there are my answers.
Waro
Bendingdong, all you ever do is make weak jibes at people, most notable myself and Waro.
You never respond with a constructive opinion or alternative, just statements consistent with those you'd probably normally hear in a hairdressers.
Do yourself a favour lad and revise your dialogue. It doesn't go hand in hand with the title you've given yourself.
Ozone
Try looking yourself up on the search function ozone. You're a walking talking joke. The blatant nonsense you spout knows no bounds. You were pulled up by the eds for the vitriolic nonsense you spout about subjects you can't grasp, and your reply? - 'and to add insult to injury we played five in midfield against stoke'
Banter all you want about the team we all follow, but stay away from the finance, because you just keep embarrassing yourself. You don't listen to what the eds patiently tell you, you see dark forces at work, and you wouldn't know what a balance sheet is if it smacked you in the face.
I see you struggle with my name, let me make it even harder for you....
81£ 84d 83n. (numbers ozone, you know, like on your abacus...)
Which manager should we have got instead of Brendon Rogers then, Waro. Tell us where FSG went wrong - who should they have employed for the past two years in the hot seat?
Fact is thougha share in a club owned by the fans will always have a majority and is much too complicated anyways as then any mistakes made are very detrimantal to shares and very scary prospect.
We have a group who are basically experts in taking over sporting franchises yes they have made mistakes but that is hindsight something we or they couldnt predict without taking too long at the time they trusted the wrong people.
I for one just hope that they carry on and don't sell us because im happy with everything other than the league position.
Kopping a feel
My replys conveniently don't get posted, as with an illustration i posted about Tom Werners track record at San Diego Pardeas and some oher information about FSGs acquisition of LFC. I suggest you read up on it Bendingdong and whilst your at it, do a bit more reading on John Henry and his principle business strategy. You may, just may start to grasp the fact that theirs no similarities between a 'Mills and Boon' novel and the business world.
Ozone {Ed002's Note - If replies have gone missing then repost them. I don't see any sat here "unprocessed".}
Oh and this 5 in midfield jibe against Stoke. Is this another one of your weak attempts of trying to reinvent the game with your interplay, high line, pressing, blah blah coaching course dossier phrases of the day clap trap. Suarez played up front as the lone striker, consequently Stoke were able to push us back high up the pitch. Fundamentally, that's where our problem was. We played 4 at the back so in my footballing world that left us with 5 in midfield irrespective of what shape they were set up.
Rodgers had the blueprint too beat Stoke from when we beat them in the Carling Cup, 352 with Coates slotting in at the back to try and nullify their aerial threat which coincidentally contributed to all 3 goals.
Ozone
Please read before you post Ozone. You don't seem to be able to follow the simplest threads. My 'jibe' wasn't to do with tactics, I was pointing out that when the Eds pulled you up for spouting financial nonsense, you ignore the points and launch into discussions about something else. But hey ho, you didnt even manage to follow that did you?
Try and get my name right. I know you struggle with numbers, but even you should grasp spelling....
BigBadBen
08 Jan 2013 09:24:20
Ozone don't bother lad, they only want to hear that everything is fantastic on this site. They like to stick there heads in the sand and hope it all works out. Leave them in there F$G love bubble, our eyes are wide open lad, let them blindly follow.
Waro
Your right Waro mate. It gets right up my nose how they seem to be obsessed with just telling us that FSG are good owners without providing anything to substantiate what they are saying.
They conveniently ignore Werner and Henry's track record in sports franchise ownership and the fact they view it as nothing more than an asset management exercise.
Answer me this Bendingdong, do you think the sale of LFC to FSG was in the best interests of LFC or Barclays Capital (the investment company appointed to assist in LFCs disposal, coincidentally also a company allegedly Henry advises on asset security and investment risk spreading)?
Ozone
Oh and for the record Bendingdong, I don't ignore the points made by the Eds regarding the financial aspect of FSG, I acknowledge the point and move on. However, whilst the Eds are probably privy to a bit more information of the micro economic circumsances, analysing th macro situation can only culminate in speculation at this time. That's what irritates me about you as you dismiss what me and Waro have to say without any 'water holding' conviction. Waros broken his reasoning down point by point in previous posts, although you conveniently choose to ignore them.
Neither do you seem to have any opinion on Werners San Diego debacle or the overall asset management
business model that is FSG. You just tell us the Eds know more and then bark on about some dark side and the FBI! Grow up mate, get your head out the sand, look at the bigger picture and maybe appreciate a different opinion to yours.
Ozone
07 Jan 2013 20:13:39
Just heard the news, am I surprised ? Old Whiskey nose does it again and gets Howard Webb for Sundays game. Surely the FA and every other manager can see what hes doing ?
Im not paranoid by the way, I just don't like Fergie cos I think he is a first class cheat.
I predict the following for Sunday, one of the following will happen:
1) We will get a top player sent off ( Gerard, Sturridge, Suarez, Agger ? )
and/or
2) United will get a penalty if the first ten minutes
and/or
3) Even if by some fluke we manage to rise above the awful ref decisions that we know will come our way, and actually end up in front of United with only 30 seconds to go, whats the betting we end up playing over 7 minutes of extra Fergie time ?
and/or
4) fergie will have a go about Suarez immediately after the match.
Maybe Im getting too old and cranky these days, maybe its time I was wheeled into the garden by my nurse, or maybe just maybe...I will be right ?
Nurse, any more cocoa for a tired old man who fought in the Boer war and captained a submarine during the battle of North Cape off Bear Island, just north west of Murmansk ?
Tel 1949
Haha! Brilliant.
And/or there a million other outcomes...
All of the above mate
jaydee ynwa
07 Jan 2013 21:24:03
Fergie will say after the match "I think it is terrible in this day and age that a player like Suarez can be allowed to kick the ball at a goalkeeper. He could have killed De Gea."
Jolly Red
If Webb is officiating then we are already 1-0 down and playing with 9 men. Just hope that his bias is so well-publicised now that he feels under pressure to allow a fair game.
cozinoz
Well your niave to think we will only concede a single penalty.
derryred
I also predict that someone will pass the ball to someone else, and there will be a break in between the what I also predict will be two halves of football. I predict the game will be played on grass, and I also predict the ball will be round, though alas, I cannot predict what type of ball the game will be played with.
El Pi**edolero
I think its time mate..
What I'm hoping for:
94 minutes, it's 0-0. Suarez picks up the ball in the centre circle and runs towards the macs goal, juggling it between his head and both feet. Vidic lunges at him on edge of area, Suarez skips over him, Vidic plunges into Howard Webb and gains a terminally broken pride. Suarez sells keeper a dummy and them lies on line and heads the ball into the goal, in the manner of a game in the park. Taggart chokes on his craftily concealed hip flask and is carried off. Mancs kick off and immediately whistle blows. City have won 6-0.
That would do it for me....
ND
Or maybe we go there and smash um 4-1... Again...
I have to be honest, I'd rather Webb than Dowd...
"Im not paranoid by the way, I just don't......blah blah blah"
In other words, I know theres no truth or basis to this post but here goes anyway.... ; )
Nice to see you getting in your excuses early old chap!
Gav
Excuses lined up already good one chaps you never know maybe you can cheat your way to a win again with ratty. JJ smeegle
Pardoe
And I predict that
Either/or - you lose and try desperately to find any desperate excuse to cling too.
Either/or - you find that by saying voldemorts two footed knee high lunge was a perfect tackle and didnt deserve the red
Either/or - ure mid table manager convinces you all again that you are moving in the right still and buys himself evn more time to keep getting wrong amd over spend on more Chelsea rejects.
Either/or - Gerrard again looks past it and old, carra does his usual smoke blowing, and Allen gets owned by clevs.
And the best one for last
Either/or - downing starts lol, skrtyl starts lol, sturridge starts lol, Henderson starts lol, Allen starts, johnson starts lol.
So all in all, you are paranoid and do need to be wheeled off to to cope with ure inferior complex to us ans STOP making excuses before the game has even started, its not like any Liverpool fans predictions ever come true is it, I mean how many times have you lot said next season will be your year?
Chris the REDman
My dear Gav, of course theres no truth to the post, hence the reason the site is called LFC BANTER... I often ask myself why on earth is a poor manU supporter doing reading posts on an LFC site...you worried for some reason ?
If it helps, rearrange the following phrase 'life try getting a son'... and chill out saddo, you know it makes sense !
Nurse, can you bring me a couple of lemons please....their next to the bottle marked F for Fergie... OK I know they taste awful, but at least they manage to take the smile off my face if I suck them
Tel 1949
And so the banter starts
chris the redman.. jonny evans is having sleepless nights already thinking about suarez...by sunday he ll be on the verge of a breakdown...
allen owned by clevs in midfield, most liverpool fans wouldnt have allen in their side for sunday but he ll have a tougher time overcoming henderson s workrate and lucas s biting tackles. little shinji will get lost in the battle of bigger men. you have van persie thats about it, we have suarez thats about it. van persie has done liverpool before for arsenal suarez has torn united apart before...
this will be a close one. you have a side of slightly above average players anderson young(worse than downing at villa) celverley ancient scholes and giggs, a fading force in valencia who can't beat his man anymore and the worst united defense in 20 years, all barely held together by fergie glue. we played you off the park at anfield with ten men, now we ll have to play you and webb and we ll still come away with a decent result.
you arent as good as you think you are...
tom1975
the title race will change over the next two weeks when we beat you and lose to city
'the title race will change over the next two weeks when we beat you and lose to city'
Hey, Tom, Im all for a bit of bravado and a few battle-cries but it might sound more scary if you DON'T suggest we're going to lose the game after beating them? :)
cozinoz
Haha already planning ure next loss amazing! Lets ne honest we might not be barca, so what does that make u? A poor mans swansea? Typical mid table club with mid table mentality! you played us off the park? Nah mate more like you habe fallen so far these days we didnt have to get out of 2nd gear away at that hole you call home!
Chris the REDman
07 Jan 2013 20:13:09
Eds,
WelshBoyDave {Ed002's Note - We are done with the subject Dave - too much abuse.}
07 Jan 2013 21:04:48
Ah, some people just ruin it for the whole bunch.
Cheers Ed.
WelshBoyDave {Ed002's Note - Absolutely right Dave.}
07 Jan 2013 20:11:29
don't get excited over one game (dont care who the opposition is), If you don't want the haters ( as you call them) to came out, then don't post nonesense like this, because he may not produce anything in the next 5 to 6 games ...
Its mostly people like you who get excited about a player after one game, then be the first to call this same player dead wood useless and everything else if they did n't produce for a while ...Been here long enough and seen people posting that Joe Cole and Andy Carroll are the best thing since Ian Rush and its these same posters that are calling them all sorts for the last few months.
Roy
If you've been here long enough Roy, then don't put me in that bracket.
Maybe use the search function and find out what my posts are usually about before criticizing me.
And sucks to be you because there were not many Daniel Sturridge haters out, at least in contrast to before he signed.
Find a single post of mine where i call someone deadwood or useless, if you can't then i expect an apology.
WelshBoyDave
07 Jan 2013 20:11:26
Do you know if it is true that Liverpool have took on Zinedine Zidane's son Enzo ? People tell me he is a really bright prospect.
CartyLFC95 {Ed002's Note - Not at this time.}
07 Jan 2013 20:09:54
hi eds quick question is it true that the owners have handed BR 40m to spend in this transfer window? {Ed002's Note - Did BR say that?}
07 Jan 2013 19:51:02
Liverpool are not going to sign any 1 else in this window
Hopefully, i'd rather we didn't sign ince especially since we have ibe and sinclair ready to step up soon.
derryred
08 Jan 2013 08:06:34
Damn, and i thought Any 1Else was highly rated!
WelshBoyDave
07 Jan 2013 19:40:42
Was anyone disappointed with the comedians selected by Rodgers, yesterday? Flanagan and Allen AND Wisdom and I still couldn't raise a smile.
Well, until Suarez came on doing his Doddy impression and then he launched into Max Bygraves, "You Need Hands..."
Rigsby.
What?
Jonesred
Rigsby - good post - but the names you mention are from far too long ago for the majority of the posters on this site.
Now if only we signed someone called bishop you'd be in with a chance
Puzzled
I'm glad you 'appreciated' it, Puzzled, but I was hoping for a few more 'disgrees'.
I guess my joke wasn't suitable for da kids; I'll get my Coates.
Rigsby.
Flanagan and allen were folk singers, not comedians
No, they weren't, they were a singing and comedy double act. You're thinking of Foster and Allen, who are still folk singers.
Thanks for the reply, anyway.
Rigsby.
07 Jan 2013 19:33:59
La Liga dominates world football. Shame...very soon no class player would love to play in England; and I think the English press and FA aint helping matters either. No EPL player on FIFA world XI, yet an English team won the Champions League - not fair, or rather very disgraceful. Where's the fairplay?
RedBeer.
La Liga has some great players and they are good to watch, but the league every year is a predictable two horse race which in my opinion it must eventually become boring, In the EPL we may not be as technical but it is a 100 times more exciting and nobody could ever predict a result, cheers ant
The same two horse race that has athletico madrid above real madrid
What do you mean how is it disgraceful, the spanish league has far better players than here. What EPL players would you put in the team, the only questionable decision was the addition of pique, who in my view shouldn't have been in it.
derryred
Mate premier league clubs spend way more money than any other league. La liga will be bankrupt in the next 5-10 years.
Yeah, the EPL aint even a two horse race at the moment...La Liga is head and shoulders above our league, we may have the CL winners but most exciting league in europe...not a chance!
Neilos
07 Jan 2013 19:37:11
Would really love to hear a great crowd song for Brendan rodgers! I really think he deserves it, the manner in which he conducts himself has really impressed me and I think he is winning over most supportrs, he is our manager and deserves our support and I for one would love a song for him ! All true pool fans comments welcome ! ! Johnny d
Don't worry about it FIFA is a joke. La Liga is a joke besides Barca, Madrid and Falcao all the other teams would struggle in the Championship. RVP and Suarez would have be up there with Messi and Ronaldo if they went to Spain.
Marcelo and Pique have both had long term injuries. How they got in ahead of Ashley cole and some of the Germany CB like Hummels is a joke.
Neymar goal better than Suarez v Newcastle what a joke.
Andrew
07 Jan 2013 22:05:45
Dont think that song will catch on Andrew ; )
mikehoopersgloves
Avoid defeat vs the mancs and we'll see about a song
07 Jan 2013 19:37:10
Someone in for Dani Pacheco? I like him, but I think he has to go to prove himself
07 Jan 2013 19:34:41
Eds
Moving away from transfer speculation... have you heard any detailed stadium news?
Cheers
GoodKopBadKop {Ed002's Note - There will be nothing much until they go for planning I would think.}
They haven't even drawn up plans yet let alone summit them for what will be a very long, drawn out and arduous planning process. As any building scheme that involves compulsory purchase orders are.
The Liverpool gateway development - improving the main access road to the city over ran by 5 years and was only finished in 2012 due to appeals against the CPO's on a main access development which went as far as the European courts. So CPO's to extend a sports stadium should be harder to enforce.
Liverpool Cabbie
07 Jan 2013 19:34:23
La Liga dominates world football. Shame...very soon no class player would love to play in England; and I think the English press and FA aint helping matters either. No EPL player on FIFA world XI, yet an English team won the Champions League - not fair, or rather very disgraceful. Where's the fairplay?
RedBeer.
Do you expect anything less from Fifa, I mean just look at Blatters comments on Prince and AC Milan! Bunch of tits
07 Jan 2013 19:08:17
With David de Gea looking to leave Man Utd why don't we try and get him. Hes not good at crosses but neither is Reina and hes a far better shot stopper! MICKY C
Dodgy manc reject? Get a grip mate.
ND
07 Jan 2013 20:44:10
I'm sure they'll sell him to us for a low low price having bought him for £20m 18 months ago.
De Gea will probably a very good 'keeper when he's 28 or 29, but I thought at the time, that the move to United was too early for him (he may yet turn it around and prove me wrong, though). People who want Butland or ter Stegen to replace Reina should take a long look at de Gea and think about it harder, imo.
- Something Red -
'Hes not good at crosses but neither is Reina'
How about we buy a keeper who IS good at crosses? Just an idea
cozinoz
Yeah i second buying a keepr who is good at crosses
David James?? or as he was known in hes Liverpool days 'Dracula' coz of hes fear of crosses ha ha
Neilos
07 Jan 2013 19:07:32
Ballon D'or goes to Messi again. Best I've ever seen.
Love watching that lad play.
kidmillions
Best I've ever seen too, not really sure how anyone can disagree (but I'm sure the trolls will)
Chris in Tamworth
I pressed the disagree Messi is not all that
Christianio ronaldo
Maradonna far better.
Messi second
Again my talents have been over looked!
Emile H.
People disagree because he hasn't won a world cup with Argentina. This argument obviously holds no weight if you actually watch Messi for more than a 2 minute highlight reel.
I agree, best player i've seen. Shouldn't be compared to Maradona, as football is just a different game these days. With defensive tactics the way they are these days, i'd have Messi over Diego any day.
Red7.
Never seen maradona thats why i agree
mayhem 1981
Maradonna redefined football, some of the skills he did routinely are only replicated by the very best these days, 25 years later.
Watch Maradonna dribbling. In those days players used to tackle and by tackle I mean they went for man and ball. Maradonna literally hurdled his way past tackles as they went for his knees.
These days you get booked for breaking wind near a player.
Final argument is Maradonna was a "one man team".
He literally took an average Argentina team and won the World Cup for them.
Moreover he took a rank average Napoli team and led them to the Italian league championship (scudetto). At the time it was the richest most difficult league in the world. Messi is surrounded by a team of superstars at club and national level.
He was a tool. He was a cheat. But he was easily the best ever. A one man team, a national icon, he took football to a higher plane and beyond.
I say all this and I actually hate the guy. That's how good he was.
M.Aurelius
Barca bore the pants off me. messi is the choice of the lazy
07 Jan 2013 18:50:27
if the deal goes through with ince will he be first choice player?
Great question
No player is guaranteed start.
07 Jan 2013 18:12:20
A few things...
Firstly, I can't wait to see what Sturridge and Suarez can do together
Secondly, stop treating Sunday like we have already lost, Webb may be reffing, but we will give United a good run. Let's hope for a good match with no dodgy decisions to spoil it.
Finally, Paul Cox - top bloke
Super
1. Wait and see.
2. Agreed. Webb is better than Dowd.
3. Agreed.
07 Jan 2013 18:06:01
hi all, I don't watch to much of our reserves but had obviously heard of the likes of sterling, morgan, suso, coady, ngoo etc but does anyone know who are the most likely to make it in the premier league? Apart from the ones above as i've heard coady and ngoo haven't really excelled enough. cheers
Danny
Sama - Mcloughlin - Smith -
Mcclochlans a quality full back. I would be surprised if he didn't make the grade.
Ozone
Stirling, Suso, Robinson and Wisdom first to break through and to have shown good enough to play EPL.
It's is the next batch that is very exciting, Ibe, Texeira, Sinclair, Sama, Yetsil are just a few of the names to look out for.
I don't think Flannigan, Coady, Ngoo and Morgan ate good enough but I hope I am proved wrong.
I recken Ibe is one off the best prospects we have at the moment.
Cudge
Adjoran . He will be a class act.
REDditch
Agree on Adjoran.
He has kept his concentration and his consistency this year.
I fear he may have left it too late though to save his career at Liverpool, too many better prospects coming through and his unreliabity in the past may sealed his fate. Hope I am wrong and the lad ups his game even further.
Jerome Sinclair and Jordan Ibe, as well as Adorjan, McLaughlin, Smith, Coady, and Sama. Amongst others. Lot of quality in our youth system.
SpudRed
Jack Dunn.. underrated as hell. He's the most balanced player I've seen. Has EVERYTHING.
BthekingB.
07 Jan 2013 17:38:55
Just been told that Howard Webb is the ref for the United game, apologises if this is already common knowledge. Just thought I would pass this info on incase it wasn't.
Waro
07 Jan 2013 18:54:12
I reckon if you put in a cheeky bid of about £7 million you could pinch Webb off them, he's out of contract in the summer and SAF maybe looking at other options, think he has his eye on Mike Dean.
Worth a punt and you should get the paperwork through in time for Sunday.
Stoner
Well ain't watching then v 12 Men lol
07 Jan 2013 17:37:09
Eds do you work 4 liverpool? {Ed002's Note - No, I don't think any of teh Eds are employed by the City of Liverpool.}
Ed01 drives a sweeper truck for liverpool council from Walton vale too scotty road part time 20 hours a week. Lfc fazak {Ed002's Note - You can follow Ed001 on Twitter and see a photograph of him at work: @ClarenceDragon }
07 Jan 2013 17:36:18
Not a rumour or anything but just wanted to say to anyone who thinks buying ince back would be a bad idea. If another team got him say Manutd and he did really well we would all feel terrible about letting him go in the first place and missing the chance to get him back! I think he will be a great signing him sterling and sturridge will inject some real pace into our squad.
Keatz
07 Jan 2013 17:25:04
Reds,
There's an Elvis Night at Anfield in February.
I'm just thinking of a few of the other King's (there's only ONE King as we know) songs that we could suggest as dedications:
- "Confidence" for Stewart Downing
- "Crazy Arms" for Luis Suarez
- "Cross my heart, hope to Die" for Macca
- "Don't Ask me Why" for Ed002
- "He's your Uncle not your Dad" for Raheem Sterling
- "I slipped, I stumbled, I fell" for Andy Carroll
- "A Mess of Blues" for David Moyes
- "Return to Sender" for Nuri Sahin
- "The Twelfth of Never" to celebrate Everton's next trophy win
- "Write to me from Naples" for Edison Cavani, hopefully !
Ohh, there's hundreds !
The Juicer
Quality post, lol
Return to Sender...good one!
"Bitter they are, harder they fall" for Everton fans?
phillyred
07 Jan 2013 18:55:30
I'm working for that night.
My Way.. for Brendan Rodgers.
kidmillions
Jailhouse Rock for Allo Allo Barton, and Suspicious Minds for anyone involved with the FA, FIFA or UEFA
El Pi**edolero
"Hound Dog' for Harry Redknapp
'Rags to Riches' for Man City
'Way Down' for Newcastle FC
'Are You Lonesome Tonight?" for Torres
For my beloved Bren:
"A little less conversation, a little more action".
M.Aurelius
07 Jan 2013 17:20:03
Ed002 are you the same ed002 on all pages. fairplay to you as you must do a rubbish load of work. {Ed002's Note - I am the same.}
07 Jan 2013 17:15:54
I hear that Slur Alex is already planning on sharing a bottle of his finest Red wine to congratulate Howie on a job well done.
Thatracoonstolemybacon
07 Jan 2013 16:54:19
Will you guys quit rambling on about Sneijder? It's laughable.
07 Jan 2013 16:52:04
Ed 002, I really feel sorry for you.. You help us in knowing all the transfer interests and the way our club is run, but some 'fans' just don't understand the importance..
All the true reds are supportive of Rodgers and FSG
Also we do appreciate the hard work you do for us..
Cheers
VGRed {Ed002's Note - Thanks.}
07 Jan 2013 16:51:50
Guess whose the referee for Liverpool vs United on Sunday...
That's right you guessed it's Mr. Howard Webb
God help us
JAC
Amazingly bookies have slashed the odds on utd winning speaks volumes ha be great if we win though and sing 12 men and you still got beat
mayhem 1981
Eds, can Liverpool protest the Webb decision?
I would if we can, too dubious for my liking {Ed002's Note - It is not going to happen.}
Same fella who awarded us our only penalty this season. ?
That was his first penalty outside of manchester in like 5 years too.
Red Rat
"Same fella who awarded us our only penalty this season. ?"
Oops, don't go posting an impartial opinion there pal, not when it concerns United.
Gav
07 Jan 2013 16:51:46
Howard Webb will be the ref on Sunday, oh boy.
phillyred
So That's a pen within the 1st 10 mins for the Mancs and a red card for us before half time, probably Suarez...
Thatracoonstolemybacon
07 Jan 2013 16:48:22
Webb appointed ref for Sunday
Hans
07 Jan 2013 16:39:44
My input towards the owner discussion, is this. We are football fans, not financial ownership fans. The only way there can be a complaint about the ownership, is if we go into administration, or are not getting respectable funds for the transfer windows. So I have no complaints with the owners, and they were the people who effectively saved the club from administration. Therefore I think we should concentrate on the pitch more often.
Piledriver
Oh and well done to all the Ed's work so far this year, Especially the ones which officiate this site, as it is the busiest one of the lot.
Piledriver
07 Jan 2013 16:39:22
My prediction for Man you game, they will get atleast one penalty (or 75% of the penalties).
Let's play a game called guess the Ref. Hats of to the winner!
Jolly Red
07 Jan 2013 16:34:16
Oh dear.....
12 v 11 on Sunday!
Webb will be the ref at Old Trafford !
John A
07 Jan 2013 16:33:29
I was actually sort of confident of a win this weekend- 'til I saw who the referee will be. Now the only questions are how many home penalties will be awarded and how many men will we have left at the end........
Mrpjd
07 Jan 2013 16:20:07
Here we go, Howard Webb has been appointed referee on the weekend's derby..
I'm afraid BR cannot give an excuse, coz now he has a week to prepare on how to play the mancs with a man less..
Its not a derby
07 Jan 2013 16:18:53
This is really funny why on earth do you think Sneijder will go to Liverpool you are not even good no more
Unlike your English which is really beautiful prose to behold.
MartinR
"you are not even good no more"
Probably best not to get into any sort of debate with someone with this superior level of intelligence.
Chris in Tamworth
Worry about your own team, who are? and it's so nice that you still care about us enough to come on here
I think the really funny thing is your grammar.
Redmike 77
Not good no more is a double negative. Kind of like 'your brain isn't not damaged'.
Red Steve
07 Jan 2013 16:03:56
Our wage bill in 2005 when we won the Champions League was 64m. Seven years afer, we are not in Champions League and our wage bill has skyrocketed to 129 million as at last count, despite that our revenue base has not increased significantly, bar gate tickets that was hiked by owners and some sponsorship deals.
The bottomline is that we are paying CL wages without CL revenue itself. Even our match intake is nowhere near that of Man you and Arsenal and we do not have sugar Daddy owners like Chelsea and Man City. Even if we do, the FFP rules about to come into force will still exclude us from CL footy and revenue if we don't break even. So what is the use?
What this means is we are spending our way into trouble. Spurs with a much better squad and prospect for CL, their wage bill is 91m. Everton's squad is as good as ours but with wage bill of about 59m.
The implication is there is a lot wrong with LFC. We can't keep paying CL money to average players when we are not even in CL league and we do not have a mega stadium. We just need to be rutless if we must succeed. If Chelsea are letting go of thier legends like Drogba and Lampard, why offer Carrager a new deal when clearly he's past his best? I assume that his annual wage can bag us a decemt defender from abroad that would make us more competitive. The same applies to some other fringe players who are draining our finances.
We need to start living within our means by adopting a wage cap as well like the others. Whoever won't accept a reasonable wage should not be signed in the first place. Those within that are demanding stupid money should be shown the exit. Those contributing to our success should be replaced as well.
We need our scouts to identify good players who won't command astronomical wages and transfer fees as that is the only way forward. If we won the CL in 2005 by paying 64m in wages, I expect a strong squad as well now that we are paying twice that money.
We just can't keep signing average players and giving them top money and expect them to work magic. Spurs and Everton have good players and we need to follow in thier lead. Even West Brom has become competitive without breaking the bank.
We need to become responsible and live within our means.
Abroad Red.
Last I heard we have reduced our wage bill to around 95 million, preety much in line with spurs
Please correct me if im worng eds, genuinely interested?
K-Man {Ed002's Note - It was reduced but the current figures have not been made available. The accounts will be out around May.}
Well said good post mate, and still some of are fans say the owner's are not backing are club, look at the wages at the club today.i for one am happy im not paying it, but they are great owner's for me.they took over are club, they wiped out are debt, they are still paying the big wages, they back rodger's by buying player's, and all with no CL money coming in the door.well done FSG thank you for saving are club we are in safe hand's.walk on walk on, jay essex red for life red till dead
Very good post
07 Jan 2013 15:49:57
Oh dear!
What a lot of bu*****t have we got to read here today. Of course, everybody has the right and the freedom to express his opinion, but those constant accusations an hostility torwards Ed 002 make me sick.
And only for some of you to remember, it is a win you moan about! Some of you allways moaned about us not winning ugly, so now we won ugly and you're not satisfied. I don't care if we played crap yesterday, I couldn't care less if we played like that 36 times a year in EPL and win all those 36 games. I defenitely prefer to see a team play nice football, of course, but in our position, after so many disillusions, I don't care anymore, I want to see us win, and I don't give a rubbish if we win a match 5-0 or 1-0 ass long as we win it
Marc
07 Jan 2013 15:44:28
Wesley Sneijder so sign for 10mil
+ 100k /week wages
and free fish and chips on Fridays from
the best chippy in town!
Anyone know what chippy that would be?
I'm the best chippy in my town and most others as well
Chris in Tamworth
Lobster pot
Lynn's chippy on City Road
The greek one at the bottom of the bubbles. athena?
Penny Lane fish and chips. She cooks everything to order.
07 Jan 2013 15:30:39
just wanted to say a few words on Daniel Sturridge after his debut yesterday. Considering it was his debut and the limited amount of playing time and training with his new team mates I thought he was exceptional. His movement was exceptional, he held the ball up well and his dribbling and close control on a bad pitch was fantastic also. He scored a gr8 goal and was unlucky not to get a couple more. I think it was a combination of excellent goal keeping and lack of sharpness which will improve with more games. More importantly he made the keeper work. I think he had 4 shots on goal and all were on target which is just what we were missing. I also noticed unless he was in a direct scoring opportunity he looked up and most of the time found a pass to his own player in a better position. Not a bad debut for a supposed greedy player who runs into blind alleys with his head down if you were to believe all his negative press. Who knows could turn out to be the buy of the season or at least as I believe money well spent on a talented, young, hungry player with something to prove to everyone who didn't give him a proper chance in the past. I think I'd like to see a front 3 start of downing, suarez and sturridge with hendo, stevie and lucas in behind and a back four, wisdom, skyrtl, agger and johnson with pepe in goal for the manc game. Subs: jones, carra, allen, shelvey, sterling, robbo and suso. That's my opinion based on current form, and I think we look strong 1st 11 and bench too. Love to hear your thoughts ed's n reds, Simonpw
07 Jan 2013 15:11:18
Hi fellow Reds, Liverpool r lookin for jus one wide player. And if Coates leave on loan may be a v wil sign a defender, expect nothin else. Seeing the situation i don c Thomas Ince signin for us in january, but possible in the summer. And if v qualify for champions league at the end, v can sign better world class players. Walcott is 50-50 option for us, cos he is another player who can play different roles upfront which is exactly what Rodgers requires, lets hope for the best. And one more thing, before Sturridge signed many guys criticised him, now i wanna c those faces. He played so wel though he isnt fully fit. He surely wil be a massive success i hope so. IMO Sturridge and Walcott wil be enuf this january to pull is up the table.
Walcott would be an utter waste of money. Don't be fooled by his occasional flashes because the reality is he has speed but, lacks the judgment and skills of a top finisher. He will prove to be a very frustrating signing.
More importantly, it is pointless talking about him: he will resign with Arsenal. It is so obvious all this talk about potential moves to another team--both by Theo and by Wenger--is just a negotiating ploy. He is a Gunner and will remain a Gunner...and I for one say thank goodness for that!
You lost me with the random 'v's darted within this post
07 Jan 2013 14:54:48
thanks find this site extremely helpful as you clarify that stupid rumours are exactly that was just wondering if you are aware of any players liverpool looked at in the summer, thanks i appreciate it {Ed002's Note - There were plenty looked at in the summer - you would need to go back and read the posts.}
07 Jan 2013 14:32:07
Ed. what actually is the deal with Ince. Are Liverpool put off due to his fa cup cup tie. Or is it going to happen. As The gaffer has stated not much more will be done. But do you think this will happen. Cheers {Ed002's Note - The FA cup tie is irrelevant. There is no agreement on price. I have no idea what the "gaffer" has said or if it is worth listening to.}
07 Jan 2013 14:12:46
Downing has impressed Rogers i now really doubt he will be sold for the time being, even more so the case with Henderson who really is a class player
LFC93
07 Jan 2013 14:05:22
Hello Daniel Sturridge...Goodbye Andy Carroll?
A warm welcome to our new signing Daniel Sturridge, who capped a good performance yesterday with a goal on his debut. The boy done good.
Happy Birthday Andy Carroll!
Does this mean the end for Andy Carroll? I hope not, as we could potentially have a mouth watering array of options in our strike force next season of Suarez, Sturridge, Carroll & Borini, which has cost over £80m. A combined age of just 24. Each has different qualities and strengths.
But looks more than likely that Carroll will leave, which is a bit of a shame as he adds a different dimension to the team (towards end of last season).
Do you think Andy Carroll will be sold at the end of the season, if so how much?
Would be sad to see him go, as we have not seen his full potential yet.
YNWA {Ed002's Note - Carroll will leave.}
Carroll has no potential, he is just over priced.
Without a doubt LFC's worst ever purchase.
A COMBINED age of just 24!! This is brilliant I'm positive your just a div and didn't mean it but give yourself a pat for your deed of the day in making me laugh thank you
I trump your AC with Sean Dundee. David Speedie or Istvan Kosma plus many more.
Cost doesn't correlate to quality
Jimmy Carter, Jovanovic and Jean Michel Ferri. Awful!
07 Jan 2013 13:58:39
on the topic of suarez, was the point of the new contract to show to other clubs he won't be sold
07 Jan 2013 15:52:02
Nope the contract was offered to Suarez and more wages coz if he decides to leave or if we sell him then will get extra quid
A number of things:
yes to warn off potential suitors, therefore bumping up his price tag. but it was also a statement of intent (this time a successful one)
{Ed002's Note - Is a "statement of intent" what you find hidden behind a "smokescreen"?}
07 jan 2013 13:28:02
cavani copied suarez's pistol celebration last night... does this mean that he's coming to us?!
I'd love him to but I think you're reading to much into it
RedSpud
Saw a pic of him on the net wearing a red top.. so he must be!
What the hell.....he copied a celebration so now he is joining Liverpool!!!! World class fans!!!
What the hell .... its a joke
07 Jan 2013 15:28:06
I think the origional post was a joke.
07 Jan 2013 15:32:25
Correct me if I am wrong, didn't Rooney celebrated like Saurez after scoring goal in recent manhester derby match?
st
ynwa
The problem with some posts is that they are meant to be sarcastic but it is not obvious to people who are not attuned to it.
Those same people then respond seriously and it all descends into flame wars - when that wasn't the intent.
Can I suggest that if you are going to make a sarcastic comment not to be taken seriously you preface the remarks with (S).
Also, if you are meaning to be serious and don't want to be misunderstood I propose that you start your post with an (S) before it.
That'll save a lot of confusion.
MartinR
Ah brilliant MartinR,
Now that had me laughing.
CRB
The people who disagreed with MartinR comment just make it funnier.
Red Steve
07 Jan 2013 13:15:59
Steven Fletcher and Conor Wickham seen at Sunderland railway station buying off-peak singles from there to Liverpool.
07 Jan 2013 13:00:09
Missing out on transfers
What a relief
Conor Wickham
Marveaux
Dempsey
Sigguardsen
The list goes on
Pistol Pete
Every club has transfers that just has not worked out..On another subject I'm hoping we can sell Coates and Sahin in the window just not good enough sorry. RED RUSS
Funnily enough I was chatting to a spurs fan and he said gylfi and dempsey are settling down well! and both are turning out to be very good squad players! he went on to say adebayor on the other hand...his description of the player was probably the funniest cockney french description ive heard in a long time!
Marveaux is a good player all the others i agree
And where is this marveaux now? Exactly {Ed002's Note - He is doing a little shopping in the Gateshead Metro Centre.}
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We could have used some before buying a certain mr carroll
07 Jan 2013 12:59:42
Good god lads all I see now is people havin a go at each other on this site now, is this what it's come too ? It's a site to come on see about ten % of stuff which could be true and the other 90% just a bit of a laugh or a pick me up when things aren't going well, we are all fan's on this site let's not wreck it please havin a go at eds who really don't need it ! We ask for there views then slate them when it's not what some of ye want to hear! ****in cavani or messi etc, just grow up some of ye and enjoy the site for what it is ! Ynwa ! Johnny d
I have to agree. Been on here for a long time now.. from the days when it was just general football rumours. The rumours were excellent and an absolute hoot. The more fanciful the better..but you just never knew and it set you off wondering and dreaming.. that was the beauty of it all.
Now if someone posts anything fantastical they are slagged off immediately. Enough slagging off and that poster may not post again so in the end we are left with just a bunch of pass remarkable slagger off-ers. Sad indeed.
We are all frustrated by the lack of progress.
Annoyed by mismanagememt.
The list goes on.
'Mis-managment' my arse, I'm very happy with the way things are going, and most fans I talk to the same; with the manager, young squad (compare the lack of dead wood with four years ago, when the first 11 were great, but squad was terrible) there's just people on here that I seriously doubt celebrate when we score
Po
07 Jan 2013 12:56:43
Serious question for Ed002. Do you believe FSG are the right owners to take Liverpool forward. Answer in detail or as briefly as you wish - just want an answer is all mate. {Ed002's Note - FSG are responsible owners who will look to bring the club back on financial track whilst doing the best they can for the team - but they do not decide on the players to be purchased. They have made a couple of well documented mistakes that have impacted on the football side and no doubt they have learned many lessons. They are certainly looking to do what they can to take Liverpool forward as a club - getting in the Champions League would be a very significant step and it has been a clear target since they arrived. That will bring in additional revenue. Sadly there are those determined to stop this plan and force them out.}
To the eds and the OP.. don't you worry that UEFA will prove toothless in policing and bringing to book those clubs that fall foul of the financial rules? Isn't this what FSG are basing their plans for LFC on? Are they being naive? What they are doing has to be done if we are to survive as a club but my worry is teams will find a way to bend the rules, find huge loopholes in Uefa's plans and when it comes to it..nothing really changes.
At least we'll be a profitable business. That would be great for LFC. Good shout FSG. Good business sense at our club at last. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has constantly spent a lot of money - even under the these owners. Search the Liverpool page for FFPR and you will find a description which might help.}
Thanks for the reply. Sounds promising. Both they and the team have my backing.
07 Jan 2013 15:02:12
Phew! I'm sure they will sleep sound'ly in there beds tonight knowing they have your blessing.
Ed002, so because I disagree with how these owners have gone about running Liverpool f.c., making ridiculous statements of intent which they will never make good on hiring people they didn't really want, then making threats about were said employees must finish or else. ( There is a huge list of errors made by these people that have been mentioned continually so I won't list them again ), I am determined to stop there plan and force them out?That makes no sense at all, I would love them to be sucessful owners but IMO they won't be.
Anyone who dares question there intentions for the club is branded anti American or wants success yesterday, well I can tell you now Ed002 I have no problem with anyone from the U.S.A. nor do I want immediate success at any costs, I feel these owners are in this to build the brand at as minimum a cost as possible to themselves to then sell at a fantastic profit.
If I am wrong I will be on here apologising to F$G yourself and anyone else who is proved right, infact I would be over the moon to be wrong, unfortunatly I'm pretty sure I am right!!
Waro {Ed002's Note - I have certainly never accused you or anyone else here of being anti-American. All I said above is that FSG are responsible owners who have continued to spend - which they have. They would need to wait a considerable time to make this "fantastic profit" you mention as selling now they would maybe get back the money they have in the business. Certainly it is a commercial venture for them - and that is true for many club owners. An exception perhaps being Mr Abramovich at Chelsea as an example. Is that what you want? If the club is floated on a Far Eastern Srtock Exchange we both know that the club will likely end up in the hands of institutional owners - and I would doubt anybody would want that. The thought of the club being put in the hands of the supporters will not happen unless through the most painful means - a trust formed when the club goes out of business etc.. I am not sure what viable alternative you see?}
To say i massively agree with ed002 on this would be an understatement. They have invested money in the team - more than most clubs in PL - not to mention basically saved the club from administration. Do you just not like the look of J.Henry or something Waro? If there were reasons not to like them as owners - fair enough.
Waro I don't mean this offensively but it's like you have watched too many conspiracy stories on youtube about Americans - and have to fit another one in along with the twin towers, Roswell, ect, ect. Am I Wrong?
Fowler99
H&G messed the club up, FSG are sorting the mess out, for every Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour there is a Alexander Gaydemak or a Venkys, we have stable ownership who have spent money but the people trusted to spend it wasted it, so they are being careful. Just be careful what you wish for in case it comes true. I have been cynical in the past about the owners but believe they deserve the benefit of the doubt, bad decisions have been made but then that's no different to the last 20 odd years...just look forward to seeing Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling year up the septic tanks on Sunday!
07 Jan 2013 12:00:46
My main observation from yesterday was that playing Allen and Lucas in the positions they where in yesterday cause us a number of problems mainly we end up too deep and Lucas doesnt look as comfortable about where Allen is going to be.When Henderson came on we looked more balanced in midfield and when Lucas plays long side Gerrard he has a better understanding about who to pick up that coupled with the fact Gerrard does not give the ball away as much as Allen.
Allen hasn't been at his best in that position for a number of games, however im not going to slate him because when he came on against Sunderland he played further forward and he had a few chances at goal and played some good passes in and around the box.
However personally against Man you I would start with Gerrard, Henderson and Lucas behind Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge.
What are peoples thoughts!?
YNWA JFT96 jns
Ed002,
Would you agree that Pat Nevin has the perfect face for radio ?
The Juicer
Yes agree with this team selection in midfield ad front three. The defence picks itself at the minute. Have a sneaky suspicion though that BR will play Downing instead of Sturridge, unfortunately.
Ciario80
Almost completely agree! That would seem to be the form front 6 at the moment with the only caveat that it gives no place for Downing (unless he's played at left back and in my opinion he should never be played there again in a big game).
I'm a big supporter of Allen and am appalled by the amount of crap which is posted about him being a waste of money - he'll be a great player for the club - right now he's in and around the first 11 but he hasn't nailed on his place for the Man Utd game whereas on form I think Hendo has and should get the nod. On that note its great to see Hendo play with more confidence and show what the combination of his industry and passing range can do for the team - there's a young player who is clearly learning from Gerrard. I'd play Downing from the start as he gives a little more balance and solidity that I think we need at the start at OT - we'll have Sterling to come on at 50/60 mins and have a real go. I believe Suarez and Sturridge are going to click and click quickly and do some damage hopefully starting against the foe. The prospect of them both providing lines for Gerrard to hit is mouthwatering for us and pretty intimidating for the opposition. Bring it on! Its going to be a long week waiting for the match.
Belfast Pete (formerly known as Biscanifyoucan)
My front three would be downing sturridge suarez
I just don't see that Allen and Lucas compliment each other. I don't believe that you can play them in the same midfield at the same time! Its got to be one or the other, not both!
BrisbaneLFC
To paraphrase Pat Nevin "Pat Nevin has the perfect face for punchin'".
AK07
Agreed, I think you need someone who can play a long ball playing in the deeper role anyway, otherwise you become very predictable through the middle. Allen can be good further forward though, playing those little passes in and around the box.
Red Ollie
07 Jan 2013 11:46:37
Today's Wesley Sneijder update comes from Corrierre dello Sport, which reports that the Dutch playmaker is set to hold talks with Inter Milan regarding his future in the next few days. However, after being linked with the majority of Premier League clubs, Sneijder has still to receive an offer.
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Looks like he is not in talks with us after all..
Although there is still 24 days left in the transfer window.
BigD
07 Jan 2013 11:44:29
Surely we cannot lose out again (no disrespect) to likes of Southampton.Now the standard answer is going to be-"a player is worth what a club wants to pay"And yes, a club hs to balance the books.But once an interest is public from LFC surely getting outbid by likes of Southampton is the wrong message of where were at/going
Given that the club has to work financially as a business (as opposed to a rich man's toy like City), I think it's good that LFC are seen to be unwilling to pay over the odds.
I get the impression that in recent years, selling clubs have added 25% to a player's price if it was LFC bidding for him.
If Brendan thinks the player is worth a certain amount, that's what he'll offer and no more.
That's basically why we never bought Sigurdsson or Dempsey. Maybe once the club's finances are really solid and we're back in the CL, we'll be able to push the boat out and bid a bit higher on really important players.
Spurs outbid and outpaid us in the summer, but in the longer term if that gamble doesn't pay off, and if they don't get CL football, paying higher prices will come back to bite them.
O.p in reply to guy above-fair do's
If you're referring to Ramirez, trust me I put him in my dream team and let me tell you he has done virtually nothing. more often than not has ghost appearances
07 Jan 2013 11:32:26
Hi eds and reds, its been a long time i posted so i decided to respond to some of the post on here relat ing to yesterdays match.For me i thought the second half performance was woeful to say the least, we were completely caged but the most important thing is that we won the game................But to crown it all, i urge all fans(moaners and faithful)to stay positive this season because we all want what is best for the club, but constant negativity won, t land us to where we want to be.I assume we all love and support liverpool for a reason, so lets continue to show that love and support towards our beloved club and the sky will be our limit(hope is a red one LOL).thanks from OOR.
07 Jan 2013 11:11:08
I'd like to see a race between Suarez and Sturridge over 20 metres.
Geez, they are both fast, but I reckon Sturridge might be a little quicker than Suarez.
It was exciting to see Sturridge play his first game and can't wait to see them both play together at the same time. (Hopefully against the ageing Man Utd defence)
It's looks like Sturridge will be a little more clinical in front of goal than Shelvey has been and it will be interesting when Borini returns.
Definitely an improvement for us.
Levans.
Sturridge is way quicker than Suarez, but Suarez had better ball control so running with a ball I bet there is not much in it!
NS
Suarez isn't that quick, he has very good acceleration and his height enables him to spin defenders quickly.
I'd love to see a race between sturridge, downing (who is deceptively quick) and Enrique.
It seems we have quite a fast squad this season with these 3 and borini sterling Robinson and Johnson.
I would love to see a race between the flash, Superman and Danger mouse.
Dont know why just seems more important than yours.
Kopping a feel
Sturridge is way faster than suarez but suarez is more agile allowing him to take people on with pace. Someobe said suarez isnt tall? Hes almost 6 foot...
And speedy gonzaklez and roadrunner
07 Jan 2013 14:55:10
its a pity borini wouldn't leave Liverpool quickly. How rodgers thinks he is better than andy carroll is anyones guess. Borini brings nothing to Liverpool he doesn't score goals and is dreadfull on the ball. Now there's a drain on wage's if rodgers wants to start cutting costs start with him and get rid of him quick and keep carroll who can change a game. All this tippy tappy might look good but you won't beat teams like stoke with it as we found out.
07 Jan 2013 15:07:18
Off the ball, Sturridge all day long.
On the ball, i'd take Suarez!
WelshBoyDave
Poster at 15:55:10
If i could disagree 100 times i would
let borini play some games before you write him off eh
Borini has been injured for a few months now! Leave him alone and judge him when he has had a string of match fit appearances
07 Jan 2013 11:05:37
People saying carra was MOTM, are you serious? Did none o you notice how we had to play 20 yards deeper than normal due to his lack of pace! We couldn't get any preassure on them because we never got out!
Swampmonster
Forgetting the slating and disrespect too carra, thats actually a really good post to be fair. explains why alot of 2nd and 3rd balls all ended up going to mansfield.
Benny baller
I agree carra is a legend but his legs have gone thats why we were so deep yesterday if agger & skrtel played we would have been 20 yards higher up the pitch but carra has excuse his age but coates is so slow its embarrsing he won't cut in english game sell him to a spanish or itailian clubs use the money for richards from man city
Carra is a legend and one of the best and most loyal players the club has seen........
But unfortunately i do agree, he hasn't got the legs for it these days and on top of the playing too deep we usually (although not yesterday) end up giving a lot of free kicks away because he can't keep up and is forced into the foul.
I think it time to end his playing days and make him assistant manager.
Tom
And some people saw Downing as MOTM, he played poor. Yea, he did make a couple of good attempts down the wing but i didn't see anything special from the guy, he had more unsuccessful dribbles and missed passes then positive ones.
Carra played well, he maintained the ball and kept a strong back line but no one on the pitch yesterday played well in a LFC top.
FowlerGod.
Both carra n coates had a shocker. Carra is past it, n looks like Coates will be off sooner rather than later. Sturridge was impressive. Would have liked to see him n suarez on the pitch at the same time, shame that didnt happen.
Indian Buzzer
I didn't mean to slate carra mearly stating the obvious but yes thats why we were pinned in so easily and our midfield was over run
Swampmonster
Brendan saying he wants Carra to sign another deal is beyond me, unless it`s a coaching role. Sorry to say he just can`t do it anymore. Coates on the other hand is a million miles away from a prem center back, he manages to make Per Mertasaker look lively.! needs to play in Italy where the speed is much slower.
Matt b
Jones or Sturridge was our MOTM - I think actually Mansfield's Green deserved to be MOTM overall. As for slating Carra I think the key thing here is that Coates is almost as slow as Carra and therefore playing them both against a quick CF led to us sitting too deep - to be fair if we hadn't Green probably would have got a hat-trick. I thought we'd got a real player in Coates but perhaps his lack of pace is too pronounced for the PL - certainly explains why we may be in the market to replace him. I thought not only was Coates slow yesterday he was also often out of position and it was Carra time after time who did what he does best - put his body in the way and make the last ditch tackle - he wasn't the best player on the pitch but he did a job and he was definately our best defender (apart from Jones who apart from that one time he swatted the ball away when he should have caught it played a blinder).
Belfast Pete (formerly known as Biscanifyoucan)
07 Jan 2013 10:21:26
Hi ed,
Is there any interest in Adebayo Akinfenwa as a lot of people who I have spoken to think he would be a great plan b if we need something different up top.
Thanks,
Jimmy from Crosby
I've seen the guy play back when he was at Gillingham and he is just HUGE. He tried an overhead kick... it was hilarious
07 Jan 2013 08:57:34
Hi Eds
Just wanna open a interesting topic here, it has bothered me for some years now.
{Ed002's Note - It is not somewhere we wish to go. Sorry.}
07 Jan 2013 08:30:20
Sebastian Coates needs to go, quickly. He was awful yesterday. Made to look like a conference player, by conference players! Disgrace
Coily
He has hardly played so lay off, we beat a few top teams to his signing, and a few Italian teams and Santos are very keen on him weather a loan or permanent deal im not sure
When Kenny was blowing £130m did you come on here to complain ?
07 Jan 2013 08:27:06
Liverpool spend 12 mill on a player and that's all we have to spend? when the owners have just added $160 mill to the pay roll of the Boston Red Sox, they just got a free agent aswell and handed him a $39 mill contract. Just sell us if where going to take a back seat to another project.
07 Jan 2013 09:09:48
Yeah it is all a little worrying they clearly have money they have no problem spending on the red sox but what i don't appreciate is being lied 2! tom werner clearly on a pr stunt after the abuse they got from the summer transfer window comes out and says we will make up for it in jan and the fans will be happy with our buisness even BR all season has said we will add numbers up top in jan yet now we have no money yet the owners have pllenty of money 2 pump in 2 the red sox! {Ed002's Note - So you are not happy with the signing of Sturridge, the attempts being made to sign Ince & someone on loan?}
No we are not they don't mind spending big on rounders players now back br with some big cash not garbage loans we are lfc not a champiomship club how can you build a team with loans i never thought i would see lfc in the loan market its the cheap option & makes our club look small time thats what these owners have done get the yanks out {Ed002's Note - Making irrational comparisons doesn't help anyone.}
Thats probably all the money there making out of are club, going back into there other club cause where the club with the money potential.rd {Ed002's Note - FSG are making nothing out of Liverpool at all.}
For everyone's information about FSG's main project from a Boston Website.
SALARY THAT CAME OFF THE BOOKS
Adrian Gonzalez: $21 million (2013 salary)
Carl Crawford: $20 million (2013 salary)
Josh Beckett: $15.75 million (2013 salary)
David Ortiz: $14.575 million (2012 salary)
Kevin Youkilis: $11 million (2012 salary the Red Sox paid)
Daisuke Matsuzaka: $10 million
Cody Ross: $3 million (2012 salary)
Ryan Sweeney: $1.75 million (2012 salary)
Nick Punto: $1.5 million (2013 salary)
Mike Aviles: $1.2 million (2012 salary)
Assorted others (Atchison, Cook, Hill, McDonald, Melancon, Padilla): $5.5 million (2012 salary)
Total off the books: $105.275 million
SALARY ADDED FOR 2013
David Ortiz: $15 million (including signing bonus)
Ryan Dempster: $13.25 million
Mike Napoli: $13 million
Shane Victorino: $13 million
Stephen Drew: $9.5 million
Joel Hanrahan: $6.9 million (estimated given his arbitration status)
Jonny Gomes: $5 million
Koji Uehara: $4.25 million
David Ross: $3.1 million
Total added: $86 million
The difference is roughly $19.275 million. But that money is largely accounted for.
Contract raises due in 2013
Jon Lester: $4 million
Clay Buchholz: $2 million
Dustin Pedroia: $2 million
Total: $8 million
Expected raises for players offered arbitration
Jarrod Saltalamacchia: $1.4 million
Alfredo Aceves: $1.4 million
Franklin Morales: $0.6 million
Craig Breslow: $0.6 million
Andrew Miller: $0.36 million
Jacoby Ellsbury: 0.1 million
Andrew Bailey: $0.1 million
Daniel Bard: 0.1 million
Total: $4.66 million
Total in expected raises: $12.66 million
So, the Red Sox dropped roughly $105.275 and will add roughly $95.66 million. Their payroll will remain pretty much what it was last season, around $176 million. That is just under the $178 million line for paying the competitive balance tax.
You can certainly debate the merits of the players the Red Sox added. But there's no denying that the money saved in the Dodgers trade was spent, as ownership promised it would be.
All the roster turnover ” along with the new manager and almost entirely new coaching staff.
Are you lot for real. The owneres have not been here that long. In that time they paid for the club, cleared our debts, gave kenny 100m to spend and have now given br just over 50m which will probably go up by the end of jan. That will be over 500m in just over 2 years. In that time the club has been loosing money with no cl football and having to buy players out of there contracts cos there simply not good enough. The red sox are spending money they have generated over the years.
Ed002 will you please take your head out of your hole, fsg are making no money out of liverpool, i never heard such dribble what about world wide sales on merchandise which must be astronomical amongst stadium been full ever game its not all going on players wages and running club, so your basically saying nothing is going into there pockets don't buy that for 1 second.rd
{Ed002's Note - Why are you such an ignorant and obnoxious little shit? You clearly have no understanding or knowledge of the finances at all. The club has been running at a loss since FSG purchased it and only at the end of this season will we see any significant impact from the efforts they have been making - but it will still be a loss. They have been picking up the tab for the losses - about £50M a year for the past two seasons - that is £1M a week or thereabouts.}
The thing is, when i see posts like this i automatically assume that these are the posts of fans of other clubs on the wind up. I mean how could anyone with a bit of common sense post this anti Fsg stuff when the facts are given on this site so often. It also makes me suspicious when themajority never sign off with a name. Im hoping it is rival fans just trying to cause a bit of trouble.
The Irish Rover
Well said to the last poster, if it weren't for the current owners we could of gone in to Administration and potentially be another Leeds Utd im more than happy to have the owners they are her for the long term not the short term and there policy is spot on whats the point in having one of the best academy's in world football if you have no intention of bringing them thorough and instead want to spend £100m every season. The future is bright we just have to be patient.
BigD
I feel for you ED002, its astounding that people can't grasp the concept that the club is running at a loss and that FSG are putting their hands in thier own pockets to cover this loss. Its dumbfounding that people think FSG are profit gouging and lining their own pockets with these so called profits that posters like RD think we make. Like I said ED002, I feel for you having to deal with diprubbishs all day!
BrisbaneLFC
Ed 02 I ain't getting involved in fsg debate.Or having a pop at you.But isn't your reply a bit strong? I mean I've been banned for less.Just a point, that's all {Ed002's Note - I could ban you for less again if that makes you feel better about it?}
We play 19 home games and money from cup games, whereas the Red Sox play a hell of alot more
I bet there turnover is a little higher than ours
Sweetcorn {Ed002's Note - They play a minimum of 81 home games.}
Ed you put it perfectly, if you ask me!
The true situation has been explained on this site so many times, I can't believe people are still making statements like that.
Please please please do some reading before you make yourself look like a tool again!!
Paul R
Nice one Ed. your reply was exactly what the poster required. Thank the stars that these people are not running the club. FSG hauled us out if the sh-t, what us it that people don't get about that? They will only make money if club is sold, they sure aren't making any now.
ND
Erm...blacburn anyone? Think matey boy needs to calm down a little-just look at how well other clubs are doing!
Don't get me wrong, I agree, we are a bigger club than this but ed is spot on! Stop being a wally pal, think about it.
We are out of debt, we are mid table for now, we still have world class players. It is the manager who needs to bring in the players! I reckon sturridge will do well for us, and give it another two seasons, you'll see what we become! We've waited a long time, but the Liver Bird will rise again, just have patience...
In business the simple rule is, "you have to spend money, to make money".
The club are still settling debts, while operatuional expenses have increased.
Consider this, most businesses will have to generate at least £25 (revenue) for every £1 of profit (fixed costs are one thing, but our variable costs have been very high).
So yes, the club is operating at a loss.
Revenues have not increased significantly to cover all operating expenses (fixed and variable).
Until such time as equilibrium is reached (break even), LFC will continue to make a loss.
Ed002 just back on and seen your response to what i said earlier i must of hit a nerve there with what i said, so i guess i wrong fsg took us on for the love of the club, not to make any money out of the club, so i guess that makes me a ignorant and obnoxious little rubbish.for simply stating that fsg are going to make money and plenty of money out of are massive club with are millions of fans worldwide, who spend god knows how much yearly on club, so calm down ed002 before you have a heart attack and call me god knows what this time r even ban me for stating the obvious.rd {Ed002's Note - Your foul language makes you rude and obnoxious and you words demonstrate your ignorance of all of the financial aspects of the club - for all to see. You obviously don't understand that if a club turns over £185M (about what Liverpool were turning over one year after they arrived) and spends £235M (about the spend) then that is quite simply a loss. Obviously these "millions of fans" are not spending enough.}
07 Jan 2013 07:25:01
Cheers Eds!
Got a ques regarding our scouting system!...
1) Do managers have their own preferred scouts like 1-2 key men to scout and advise or scouting system is associated with club structure?
2) How come King Kenny & Co doled out ridiculous sums of money on Downing and Hendo whilst a regular fan knew they were not value for money!...I mean even now when fans are over the moon for Hendo's performance he is not worth 20 M pounds and for sure its not taking into account that the said player will start putting performances when half of his contract runs down!
3) I don't have stats and facts but I assume that in last decade or so Liverpool have had more flops than good bargain players. We have lost millions that way. Like we have strengthened our academy and youth set up, We need to seriously strengthen this system.
Would really appreciate your views on the subjects?
Thanks in advance!
Indian with Red Heart {Ed002's Note - (1) Typically the scouting structure is separate to the management/coaching side of the game. I could certainly imagine some managers trusting the views of certain scouts more than others. (2) That is a "Dear Kenny and Damien" question that I can't answer. (3) Certainly the squad, and therefore the costs, bloated very significantly under Benitez and it has taken a long time to get that completely resolved. Add to that some of Hodgson's signings and there was a clear need for a clear out - Aquilani, El Zhar, Degen et al.}
Ed is so much worried about degan and el zhar..
both were bought for a combined a figure of 40 mill right ed??
and they failed misserably. {Ed002's Note - I really don't see a reason to have a dig at me. The wages for El Zhar and Degen totalled close to £100k per week. I think the owners did a good job in moving the likes of Aquilani, Poulsen, Konchesky, Insua, Jovanovic, El Zhar and Degen on to help the club out financially. It seems fans like you simply will not and cannot see that.}
07 Jan 2013 03:43:31
Don't know what some of the fans are complaining about. We won while resting 7-8 first team players. It's not pools fault that the goal stood, that's the linesman and refs job. Even if it wasn't given, I think we wouldn't have then sat back.
For me the Positives were
- Sturridge got 60 mins to improve fitness and got goal on debut
- his movement and touch were exceptional
- his relationship with shelvey was amazing, reminded me of Torres and Gerrard in heyday. Could see they were used to playing in U21.
- jones was good, would like to see him catch the ball more
- Robinson, Wisdom and carra were exceptional
- Lucas getting fitter, both himself and Allen struggled with pitch and strong Mansfield team. They got very little support from downing or Suso in terms of tackling.
- for me shelvey was stand out player in first half
- downing was very good
Now the negatives
- Suso was dreadful again. Can see he is going to class but may need to go on loan to someone like Wigan
- jones made the back line nervous coming for the ball or punching it
- Flanagan was a bit over eager again. Needs to go on loan to ppl or championship team
- Coates. Very nervous, slow, ponderous. He needs a kickstart and then go on loan.
- would have loved to see Suarez come on for Suso so we could see if Sturridge and Suarez could play together.
- team were bossed in the 2nd half.
Overall, great to be through.. Impressed with some young players. Rogers has to give Robinson a chance at LB. we need one or two CB, s in summer.
Liverbird
P.S. a lot of praise to Mansfield who played the game in the right spirit, honored the 96 and the manager spoke extremely well. A class act in all senses
To say our team were bossed second half is an understatement. They murdered us, and please remember they are non-league.
It's fa cup, it happens, you don't hear of 7-0 thrashings in these games. Conferance teams always give 100% on occasions like this, conferance teams don't have berbatovs.
To the poster above who says they bossed us - just a few points
1) playing on a 'pitch' which was almost a quagmire in parts
2) playing with 8 changes - and including several youngsters
3) playing against a team for whom
this was not merely their cup final
it was their dream of a lifetime
oh - and we won - get a grip whiner
Puzzled
The pitch was a quagmire? Giggidy
FowlerisGod
Common dude...lets face i..we narrowly scrapped through..
chelsea beat last day 5-1..
dont blame the pitch and referee anymore..
we should have scored 5 in the first half..we didnt..and they played reall better in the second half..
if liverpool players played yesterday are inexperienced and youngsters..
what will you call the mansfield players?
figo, ronaldo, beckham?
Are you the same no-name whiner who I originally answered or a different one ? funny how most of the thick whiners don't leave a name
Puzzled
Suso looks good on occasion but wasn't the man for this game and I was surprised he started ahead of Henderson. Couldn't keep the ball and just got knocked off it over and over again. If Hendo had been on from the start we might have been out of sight by half time, saving us from the barrage of bile from the sewer press. Hey ho, BR is still learning, and we won so let's move on.
ND
Maybe they don't have a name any name given to them has ben scrutinised and whined about too the point of non existence.
I feel sorry for their parents they probably couldnt change their nappys from the age of two because they would of done it better.
Kopping a feel
07 Jan 2013 02:49:39
Just wondering if any of the eds or anyone reading this can shed some light on Assaidi?
When he has played for us, he has always looked a threat. Also, he plays in a position where we don't really have great depth- on the wings.
Some people have said that we are "saving him for the future", but he's 24, older than Allen, Henderson, Shelvey, Sterling, Suso and Coates, who have all had more game time than him.
It's a shame that he hasn't had more game time, especially in the Premier League, as with a bit more experience, he could be an awesome player.
Cheers guys
Number11 x {Ed002's Note - He is a squad player that has gone to SA now.}
Do you know the reason that he is a squad player and not a starting XI player ed? He is a more natural winger than Suso, and arguable poses more of a threat, yet still Suso gets played over him. (Not taking anything away from Suso here btw, hes an awesome talent)
07 Jan 2013 01:04:27
Hi Ed happy new year to you, great site.
Just a quick word on Tom Ince, I am seriously underwhelmed by the sudden interest in this player, I think he will bring nothing new to the squad, I believe that Suso and Assaidi are going to be the young stars of this squad ( well Assaidi in the longer term ) he was outstanding in his debut on the left wing, then hasn't featured since which surprised me. I also think that Ince will be nothing more than a carling cup player, a competition we aren't even in any more lol
The one player I would be excited about is David Villa, I watched the Barcelona v Espanol derby tonight, and Liverpool were mentioned at least 5 times in connection to Villa and a possible loan deal, this to me would be the perfect addition to the squad, and yes I understand his wages are going to be big, but now we have Joe Cole off the wage bill ( reportedly on £60k a week? ) surely it would be a good bit if footballing business to recruit Villa and play him in what would be a devastating front 3 with Luis and Daniel? Push for top 4 and the revenue gained from champions league restoration would easily counter act the money spent.
Have you seen Ince paly recently? The guy is a star in the making with a good left foot, dribbles sensibly and gets in the right areas and also knows how to shoot and score. He is also still young and can only improve as Sterling, Wisdom, Suso, Morgan, Robinson, Coady, Ibe etc surely will.
So ince aint good enough but assiaidi and suso are?
What rubbish ince has proved himself alot more than suso and assaidi
Oh i forgot its coz hes british isnt it?
Oh and just bcoz we are linked with villa it doesnt mean its poosible barca said they dnt like loaning out their stars and want a permanent deal
Villa is class but 15 mill for 31 year old?
07 Jan 2013 06:49:19
Respect to Paul Cox the Mansfield Manager for talking sense about the handball situation after the match. He said " If it were my striker that had done it, I wouldn't have complained. The officials should have spotted it."
06 Jan 2013 23:16:36
Will be interesting to see if this makes it on the wall or simply ignored so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong.
Liverpool Cabbie. {Ed002's Note - You seem to be confusing something E052 said with something I said. Just accept the owners have about £475M tied up in Liverpool.}
The money they have tied up is covered they can wisely recover it even if they sell half in a flotation. {Ed002's Note - Rubbish. So you think Liverpool is work £950M?}
If we added onto anfield ed at a cost of 150m i think it is how much would we be worth ya think what they have put in including the ground money or more
mayhem 1981 {Ed002's Note - The worth would be adjusted by the paying back of the loan for the work to be done so would take a few years to filter through in to the value of the club - but it will increase the value eventually.}
07 Jan 2013 01:15:33
Ok fellow reds fans, we got through today, avoided a replay and we're in the next round so happy days.
Now, one week until United, can't wait, any predictions on what Taggarts mid week mind games will be??
I'm sure he'll mention something about the officials and Suarez
Kelly Red
07 Jan 2013 04:11:15
No doubt he will Kelly being the hypocrite that he is.
Kev79
He's already started. He's after Pepe.
07 Jan 2013 01:07:33
Jamie Carragher - Man of the Match for me.
cozinoz
07 Jan 2013 06:04:39
Jones was MotM for me. Sturridge shd have stayed to partner Suarez. Those two would be any defenders nightmare, plus he didn't have a bad game.
I will admit that I have made comments about Carra which I wish I could retract. That man is class - he never whinges about being on the bench. He loves the game, wants to play, but barely gets a run. When he gets a chance, he puts a shift in, no fuss. He truly loves the club, and wants what is best for it. Respect.
Liverpres
Jones for me.
Agree but thought Brad jones came a close second
Brad Jones
Kaizer
07 Jan 2013 10:49:08
Well done to Liverpres for being man enough to admit he judged Carragher too soon.
It amazes me the amount of stick a legend takes from so called "fans".
He ALWAYS gives 110%, if more players did the same we would be higher in the league!
WelshBoyDave
Personally MOTM I thought was Greene (sorry for spelling) thought he really showed some spirit.
Kopping a feel
07 Jan 2013 00:45:35
Just incase anyone didn't know and just to clarify for everyone the system Brendan is playing is with 3 forwards not two wingers one striker, he bought sturridge as he can play along this front line and in a game players such as Suarez sterling sturridge Suso and ince(if bought) can rotate around during the game it is a very clever way of making runs but has to be done with the use of certain players, this is why Carroll has gone and I believe we will continue to sign players who can play along the line for example walcott and ince
07 Jan 2013 00:08:34
Danny Graham anyone
1) hes a bit of a tank
2) hes a lad
3) he scores goals
I'm sure that is the FSG criteria they buy players on
06 Jan 2013 23:38:27
Young players and their agents are trying to demand more and more money ....even asking for clauses that they play every premier league game.
No club is a bottomless pit of cash just to dish out to unproven players, their agents and families....!
Why do you think BR is saying he wants players with hunger and desire......!?
The signing of DS was pushed for by BR and not necessarily with the blessings of senior figures.
As for TI..... Sometimes it better to stay away from
' big time Charlie's' ..... Wonder why Red Nose said that about one of his former players....... !?
Some players aren't as good as they believe they are and simply aren't worth the trouble!
We are in negotiations with two players .....whether they come will have to be approved.
MULDER
And who are these two mulder?
tom1975
Hunger and desire is code for "will sign for less than the going rate"
06 Jan 2013 23:32:02
It is a bit concerning not winning at least by 3 goals, but a wins a win, we're through for gods sake!
And secondly, nobody seems to realise that this is the fa cup, and when you play in the fa cup all of its voodoo magic will descend upon your match.
It is the only competition on earth where bin men get a chance to play alongside sporting legends. It is their once in a lifetime chance to make history, and sometimes their sheerwill and determination can overpower a club like ourselves.
In the fa cup, all men are created equal, and then the magic of the cup is created.
Anonymous woolback
A little like the Europa league when we played young boys.
No Young boys are a professional and talented outfit.
Kopping a feel
06 Jan 2013 23:29:13
I would prefer a Midfield of Gerrard, Lucas, hendo and Shelvey.With Allen missing out
With shelveys performance today, id rather allen
I d prefer one with lucas gerrard henderson heung min son mertens and allen with everyone else missing out
Shelvey gave the pass that sturridge scored on. a couple of other good balls as well.
Shelvey did a few good passes allen did nothing we are better with out the two of them in the team
Shelvey played a number of good through balls in the game although his lack of pace and mobility for such a young player is a significant issue, not a PL standard player in my opinion.
How many goals or assists does allen have keeps the ball well going sideways but is as good as adam at defending don't like shelvey much his touch is awful but can score and assist always lucas hendo gerrard first choice for me also shelvey cost 2m allen 15m
06 Jan 2013 23:26:53
i.m.o Downing did pretty well again.Offers a threat with pace and nowadays better quality with balls in box.Definately working a lot harder-changed man.As Hendo has been when plays of late.Even today gives us more energy and presence in midfield.
Downing always takes a season at a new club to settle down,
and henderson was always going to come good long term
tom1975
But King Kenny wasted 36 million pounds of our money on these players!
Didn't he???
Time will tell interesting its the same players kenny bought now playing well along with rafas and the magical gerrard
06 Jan 2013 23:24:11
Sturridge could've had 5, Shelvey 3, Downing at least one.Now taking into account good defending, luck, poor finishing, Sturridge should've had Hat trick, Shelvey one, Got to be MORE clinical when on top.We take a 1 or 2 goal lead and think-Job done.Particularily slacken off in 2nd half of games
07 Jan 2013 10:51:16
Just because we create chances, doesn't mean we are going to stick them all away you know?
WelshBoyDave
06 Jan 2013 23:17:40
Blackpool hold an option to activate an extra 12 months on his contract so his contract may not expire in June.
That has to be activated by both parties
Nope, the club just have to give Ince written notice they intend to activate the clause
06 Jan 2013 23:15:40
honestly ain't being bias, or not intending to be-but don't believe ANY of Mansfields penalty claims were genuinely handball by LFC players.Ball to hand/accidental-all.And obviously the Ref concured