Liverpool Banter Archive August 08 2017

 

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08 Aug 2017 23:29:33
Surely the manager would have spoken with coutinho about the continued rumours that have been going round for about a year and asked him his feelings on staying or going. I just feel we had a decent season last term and was looking forward to the new season with the recuitm.

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09 Aug 2017 03:00:32
It should say . with the right recruits.


08 Aug 2017 22:56:09
I must admit sigurdsson will fit in nicely at Everton cos let's be honest he can't handle the pressure of a big club.

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08 Aug 2017 23:29:58
Ha ha ha, very apt!


08 Aug 2017 21:36:23
Ed 02. Your opinion if you have the time. Do you think Klopp is still enjoying life at Anfield as much as he was? He must be aware that he is receiving criticism for his interaction with other teams players, but do you think as a person it would get to him, or just water off a ducks back?

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{Ed002's Note - No idea, but humiliated by the lack of success.}

09 Aug 2017 00:16:38
Unfortunately klopp is loosing he's credibility as top manager.

When he was at BVB he was the best thing every happened in Germany and lots of top teams were impressed with his persona and style.

But then things started falling apart for him quickly when pep and bayern started buying he's top players.

Despite spending continuously for their replacement klopp never recovered.

Things started getting from bad to worst for him both on and off field.

he's players pundits medical team etc started questioning he's style and tactics.

in fact it was a big topic how press is unsustainable for 90 minutes forget two games a week etc.

I think he's still a decent manager who need to adapt he's style tho.


09 Aug 2017 04:18:37
He's already adapted his style since joining the PL.


09 Aug 2017 04:35:06
Well so far I have found Klopp's tenure to be a bit underwhelming. Has failed with certain promises to FSG, made a complete hash of the VVD and Keita transfers by tapping them up. He has a lot to make up for anything less than a credible league title challenge and at least one domestic trophy next season will be deemed a major failure.


09 Aug 2017 04:41:36
It's amazing the amount of Klopp bashing on this site, which in my opinion is everyone following the opinion of Ed.

Nobody actually expected him to win the league, and despite not winning a cup in one full season we are now back in the champions league with an ever improving squad raft to challenge for everything we can.


{Ed001's Note - if they are influenced by the Eds, why would they be bashing Klopp when most of the editors like him? Klopp is being criticised, rightly, for the failures in the transfer market of his own making, which have made next season more difficult. Now that is on him. If he can continue to move the club forward on the pitch, then he will get the credit for doing so.}

09 Aug 2017 08:11:46
Ed001 - it doesn't take much from an ed2 to sway public opinion lol I remember vividly someone asking about Gini having not seen him much, and you said something to the effect of he is good but has attitude problem. Then the reply from the guy reeked of anxiety about us potentially signing a nuthead Hashanah you guys hold a lot influence!


{Ed001's Note - we can't help that mate. However there is a balance amongst us, so it is which editor they choose to believe in.}

08 Aug 2017 23:22:20
I'd consider 8th to 4th in his first full season a success ed. What makes you say he's not had success?


{Ed002's Note - Yes, I know many of you celebrate failure.}

08 Aug 2017 22:28:33
Spineless football club!
Chase ? all summer, RBL say not for sale at any price, show some balls and won't sell.
Coutinho not for sale at any cost! Oh go on then if you want him we will sell, what a shambles.
We will start the season weaker than last year, Klopp stop lying to us, stop trying to tap up players and grow a set of bollocks!

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08 Aug 2017 22:41:20
Go "support" the mancs.


08 Aug 2017 22:46:13
Attention seeker?


08 Aug 2017 22:46:17
Why don't you grow a set of bollocks yourself and post using your regular login name instead of creating a sockpuppet?

Speaking of login names, yours seems to suggest you'd have preferred Liverpool FC to have entered administration, or perhaps remained under the ownership of Tom Hicks. I can only assume that you are in fact a Manchester United or Everton supporter.


08 Aug 2017 23:11:11
Sorta agree with the chasing a player that's not for sale is a waste of time and wonder is it look we tried to spend big but couldn't maybe next year but the fans think they tried idk other teams around us have strengthened going to be a tougher season ahead we nabbed a couple of bargains in mo and sal. to quote jc hope klopp isn't having to much faith in his current squad.


08 Aug 2017 23:16:53
Does he not have a point?


09 Aug 2017 01:09:23
TBH I agree with the OP. If RBL can stand firm on their star player irrespective of whether he wishes to stay or leave, why can't FSG?
Coutinho is our best player and we are back to selling our stars the moment they reach the top. If that's not how feeder clubs work then what is?
Yes, the player wants to go but he signed a new contract last summer and if Klopp and FSG had any sort of 'backbone', they would make sure Coutinho stayed for another year so we could find a decent replacement or sign keita next summer.
But obviously that is not going to happen. Our club has a sense of inferiority complex when it comes to dealing with big clubs followed by bouts of panic buying of average players. Klopp's behaviour in trying to molly cuddle players through the media is a classic example of this. There is real lack of decisiveness and leadership when it comes to the transfer market.
If people can't see this, then FSG and Klopp have successfully managed to hoodwink people into actually believing we can challenge for major honours.


08 Aug 2017 22:28:26
Away from the Coutinho and VVD saga for a bit.

I am expecting a super season from Wijnladum. Everyone thought what the hell Klopp was thinking when we signed him but he really kicked on and put in many good shifts last season.

He seems like a top bloke too. Much was said about his poor attitude before he joined us but on the pitch he has shown nothing of the sort.

Can the season start already?

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08 Aug 2017 22:42:25
I like Wilj really growing into the team I expect at least a 10 goal return this year from the dutchman.


08 Aug 2017 22:54:37
I'm expecting an away goal from him this season.


09 Aug 2017 05:27:36
I'm expecting if all the current players stay and there is no injuries he will be a sub because although he had a good season keita was his replacement.


08 Aug 2017 22:18:05
Isco. What a player. Deserves his place at Madrid.

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09 Aug 2017 15:20:23
I actually rate Isco. Can make things happen and pops up with goals from midfield. After Kovacic, my personal favourite to replace Coutinho (never going to happen though) .


08 Aug 2017 22:10:27
Not Liverpool, but.

Watching "The Debate" on Sky.

Alan Pardew is talking about Lukaku and how José spent nearly £100m on him. then goes on to say "Jose has bet his house in him. "

All I can think is how behind the times Pardew is. a few years back managers may have bet a house on strikers, but these days they are betting an exclusive housing estate . £100m . betting the house.

Blimey!

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08 Aug 2017 22:00:30
Chaps, just throwing it out there. If Phil goes: Ross Barclay?

Klopp could get something out of him I'm sure (if it were possible for him to play at anfield without being a complete butcher)

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{Ed025's Note - him and liverpool would be a perfect match..

08 Aug 2017 22:31:28
When hell freezes over.


08 Aug 2017 22:35:33
Not a chance we would take him limited talent and a nasty player.


08 Aug 2017 22:55:08
No thanks. No thanks at all. There are literally no English players good enough to replace Coutinho.


09 Aug 2017 01:11:15
Rather Chamberlain. At least he tries. Barkley just wanders around the pitch cluelessly.


09 Aug 2017 06:03:42
It's like some people just don't watch football or know anything about it.


{Ed001's Note - the fact that Barkley is a drunken bum would be a good reason to avoid him if you ask me. Gone are the days when players could go out on the lash every night and then still perform at a high level on the pitch each week.}

08 Aug 2017 21:58:34
there is a strange rumour about Vidal of Bayern but i don't see it.

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08 Aug 2017 23:24:39
Its behind you!


09 Aug 2017 01:23:49
It's true! When I was shooting up in the McDonald's toilet the cashier who kicked me out told me his uncles aunties ex boyfriend was on holiday in Germany and he told him himself he was joining Liverpool, plus we know FSG love buying older players as it's a great business model.


08 Aug 2017 21:43:36
Hi Eds, getting nervy out there it seems! If, as seems quite, not entirely likely, Phil goes and VVD doesn't come, it will be rightly considered a very bad window, with damaging implications to our ambition as a club added to that already done to our rep! But if those 2 transfers mentioned above happen/ don't. Do you see a last minute spending spree? Who the hell for I'd wonder?

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think they will panic crusoe..

08 Aug 2017 21:35:46
Cue Isco posts.

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08 Aug 2017 22:13:40
Are the rumours about Isco true Eds?
When do you expect the Isco deal to be concluded Eds?
How likely is it that we will sign Isco Eds?
Does Klipperty have the klopps for Isco?
Have we met with Isco's agent?

There you go, saved you all the bother.


{Ed025's Note - love it ron..

08 Aug 2017 22:58:46
Missed a few Ron:

Has Klopp already met with Isco?
Will he hand in a transfer request?
I heard he is a Liverpool fan and desperate to come.
Do you think he'll live in Formby or over on the Wirral?


08 Aug 2017 22:58:49
I think klopp met isco personally in Grimsby.


08 Aug 2017 22:58:49
I think klopp met isco personally in Grimsby.


08 Aug 2017 23:05:08
Ron you must be the life and soul of a party with Your banter.


08 Aug 2017 23:33:47
I've just seen Isco and his agent at John Lennon airport.


08 Aug 2017 23:36:16
12 players / ex players all said how he would be welcome, and fit in perfectly, sorry, that's a Barcelona tactic .


08 Aug 2017 21:28:05
Klopp has stated before that he will not force a player to stay if he does not want to be here. Couts may be conducting himself professionally but if he did in fact ask klopp to go you got to figure this tips the scale to him actually leaving.

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08 Aug 2017 22:14:49
So WHO said he asked Klopp, he wanted to go.


08 Aug 2017 21:18:58
Here's one to distract from the coutinho saga. I was having a discussion with the lads at work and we were deciding on an all time premiership 11. As none of us wished to put Gary Neville at rb we were stuck on a replacement. I can't think of many great rbs of the premiership era, we discussed Lauren of the Arsenal invincibles, zabaleta, rob jones, Ivanovic, lee Dixon and arbeloa. I'd be interested to hear any thoughts and suggestions and also if any of the Eds wished to weigh in feel free.
In case anyone is interested

GK Schmeichel
RB?
CB T. Adams
CB Stamm
LB A. Cole
RM Ronaldo
CM Scholes/ Gerrard
CM Viera/ Makelele
LW Bale
ST Shearer
ST Henry

Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

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08 Aug 2017 22:03:34
schmeichel
neville desailly terry cole
makele/ keane
gerrard viera
ronaldo surez henry.


08 Aug 2017 22:07:34
Love him or loathe him G Nev was one of the best RB the prem has seen so I would swallow the pride there . Coleman would be a decent alternative though.

I also wouldn't have bale in the team, Suarez, giggs, hazard. I'd put all these before him to name a few.


08 Aug 2017 22:12:05
GK Schmeichel
RB Finnan
CB Terry
CB Stam
LB A. Cole
RM Ronaldo
CM Gerrard
CM Viera
LW Bale
ST Shearer/ Henry
ST Fowler/ Suarez.


{Ed025's Note - finnan????...your having a giraffe mate..

08 Aug 2017 22:17:06
In a 4-3-3:
Cech
Neville
Terry
Ferdinand
Cole
Gerrard
Makalele
Viera
Ronaldo
Shearer
Henry.


08 Aug 2017 22:21:33
Marcus Babbel for right back 👍.


{Ed025's Note - come on ron...it was a serious question..

08 Aug 2017 22:24:27
Denis Irwin.


08 Aug 2017 22:35:34
Probably Zabaleta.

Also have none of you people heard of Ryan Giggs, or is it just anti-united bias?


08 Aug 2017 22:38:15
Dani Alves ohh yeah sorry pep fooled ya ;-)


08 Aug 2017 22:52:17
Seriously no one has Lampard in the team?

Schmeichel
Gnev hyppia sol Campbell cole
Gerrard. Scholes. Lampard
Ronaldo. Henry
Shearer.


08 Aug 2017 23:24:12
Right back. errrrr rob Jones? By far the best right back the prem has ever seen.


09 Aug 2017 15:22:42
Something Red, how is it United bias half of mine and my other peoples teams are filled with United players. If it makes you feel better Fergie would probably be the manager of an all time Prem team as well.


09 Aug 2017 15:21:55
I'm ashamed of you all that it took until Mr Elf's intervention for anyone to mention Rob Jones! Had injury not cruelly curtailed his career, Gary Nev would've have had as many England Football Team caps as his sister Tracey!

Oh, and God has to be in the team too. The most natural finisher this fair land has ever seen. Playing a 4-3-3 with him, Henry and Suarez (or Ronaldo or Bale) would kill most defences.


08 Aug 2017 21:10:50
My posts are not appearing eds any ideas why?

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{Ed025's Note - i have not seen any from you tonight mate..

08 Aug 2017 22:21:48
Irony.


08 Aug 2017 22:38:51
Cheers ed working now, how u doing anyway bud?


{Ed025's Note - not bad thanks mate..

08 Aug 2017 21:00:37
Evening Eds. If Liverpool are interested in the Ox, what is holding them back from making an offer? It would seem he isn't going to sign a new Contract with Arsenal, so why is nobody actively bidding for him. I know he splits opinions with fans, but just wondered why no activity happening. Thanks in advance.

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{Ed025's Note - it looks like arsenal want to keep him hersey and to be honest hes not that good mate..

08 Aug 2017 22:15:57
I really think Klopp could help take the Ox to the next level. So much talent and potential, he could be a perfect Klopp signing.


08 Aug 2017 20:59:02
If Coutinho does leave which we think is likely at moment and with Lallana out for three months who would people prefer to come in as an addition?

For me I'd love us to get Isco of Madrid. Similar to Coutinho in some ways, but think he'd be a great addition.

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08 Aug 2017 21:55:34
Isco is bang average. You'd be better off giving Woodburn a chance.


08 Aug 2017 22:08:19
Isco bang average lol really he's a top class player but will not play for us so no point in talking about him. But I agree woodburn looks very promising.


08 Aug 2017 22:09:00
How about Firmino.


08 Aug 2017 22:19:47
" Bang average " Is this the same Isco who was MOM tonight in the super cup.


08 Aug 2017 23:35:49
There's obviously a bug going round - MOTD fever.


08 Aug 2017 20:58:03
Question for Eds - I think it's been said before but I assume the club (and other clubs) actively monitor these sorts of forums for a sense check of what the general mood is among the fanbase on key issues?

Are you ever aware of fans views ever being taken into account as even a small factor on major transfer decisions?

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{Ed025's Note - i would not think so zimbo, managers never think they are wrong and dont take a lot of notice of what anyone says mate..

08 Aug 2017 20:50:05
Not seen Waro in a while, do you think he is brewing up the mother of all anti FSG rants for when coutinho goes? 🙈.

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08 Aug 2017 21:38:51
Seen him earlier mate.


08 Aug 2017 22:06:06
That's a good thing mate, I can hear knuckles dragging as we speak. lol.


08 Aug 2017 22:23:40
I don't know Waro personally Lfcdiamond, and on many levels i don't agree with a lot of his opinions (some I do) .

But he ain't a knuckle dragger, he clearly loves LFC, his motivation clearly doesn't lie elsewhere.

The people that i call knuckledraggers are the imbociles that have no real care for the club they claim to support, but just claim it to give them a reason to vent their moronic, unfounded views. most of the time on here they are complete keyboard warriors.


09 Aug 2017 11:24:14
That's exactly what he does. you clearly have not really read or understand the sos propaganda that's gets spouted. all very boring. I assume you are mates lol.


09 Aug 2017 15:14:29
Is Waro one of them SpiritOfShankly clowns?


08 Aug 2017 20:37:12
R ed come on chill mate laugh and a joke y u on here if ya a toffee is it that you have lfc running through your veins.

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08 Aug 2017 22:00:00
He is on here because he like the other eds have a lot of contacts and is here to help the fans out. just because he is a blue doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about LFC Or have any connections.


08 Aug 2017 20:19:21
Another long time reader and 1st time poster.

Well, what a disappointing transfer window this could turn out to be.
This was the one where we all expected the club to push on and make the step up to title challengers.
However, we are in a situation where one of our best players could be on his way with only 4 days to go till the league kicks off and only 23 days left in the transfer window.

Add to that the total debacles regarding VVD and?

I'm a fan of Klopp in the man management/ motivating players sense, but the mess we are currently in is down to his complete lack of discipline.

And if we have put all of our eggs into the VVD/ ? baskets for our transfers, then the club needs to have a long hard look at itself.

The other concern I have is that if everyone knows (as it seems they do) in 2 years Klopp is going to Klipp off to Bayern, how can he be motivated to do the best possible job he can do?

By nature I'm a positive supporter. I believe ( as does Ed01 I think ) that our current 1st 11 is a match for any team in the league, but we needed to push on and make the squad better. Salah looks to be a great signing. Robertson is a natural left back which we needed. Solanke has looked good in pre season. But we need more. And selling couts is not the way forward.

I'd like to think that the management team had back up plans for all the above not going to plan, but at the moment that doesn't seem to be the case. And of course, none of us know the exact details of what dialogues clubs have with each other. But it's safe to say Southampton are pissed at us, Leipzig are pissed at us. Who knows who else!

Anyway, that's my 2ps worth.

Eds/ macca, keep up the good work ( even you ed025 )

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{Ed025's Note - we will mate..cheers..

08 Aug 2017 20:48:20
Well said.


08 Aug 2017 21:17:32
Read the first line and didn't bother reading the rest.


08 Aug 2017 22:22:58
Harsh Ings.


08 Aug 2017 20:10:40
I know its not the end of the world with Coutinho leaving.
But realistically who can we replace him with this late in the transfer window. We have absolutely 0 creativity in the team without him.
I would never let Coutinho leave at this point.

Having said that, what would we have done if Coutinho got injured? Who would take his place in the team and fill that role of creating from the midfield?

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08 Aug 2017 20:45:01
If we play 4-2-3-1 and Sturridge upfront, then we can play Mane/ Firmino/ Salah in behind, with the freedom to push forward knowing Hendo/ Can are protecting the back 4.

In short if he leaves I suspect our team will shift slightly in terms of style of play, to something more direct and using Firmino and Lallanas link play to release Mane, Salah and Sturridge into space.

It could be very exciting times with so much pace in the side and we may see more like 13-14 season with swift breaks forward and in behind defences.


08 Aug 2017 21:28:50
earlier in the summer i read mul;tiple reports of a megawarchest available to jurgen klopp, figures of 100, 150 nd 200 million were bandied about.

yet here we stand., . 22m net spend during klopps 4 windows in charge on the precipice of selling our best player once again. having failed to secure top target ? and nothing certain about our other target vvd.

to say i might be gutted is an understatement. this summer more than any other was a chance to sign some genuine world class quyality and finally have a real go and maybe even win the title.

but as i suspected its another summer of mediocrity.


08 Aug 2017 21:32:40
Agreed Zimbo. And if Sturridge falters then Origi and even young Solanke can be brought in. It's nowhere near the doomsday scenario most are dreading and screaming about. Coutinho will be missed, no doubt, but people come and people go.


{Ed025's Note - your spot on ra..

08 Aug 2017 20:04:43
Are Real Madrid still looking to sell Kovacic and if Coutinho is sold could he be an option to replace him.

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{Ed002's Note - Potentislly yes but Liverpool has shown no interest.}

08 Aug 2017 22:00:39
Harry?


08 Aug 2017 19:31:12
So let me ask the general question, whether Phil leaves or not, who are we looking at right now, anyone?

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08 Aug 2017 19:39:05
No, only Southampton players.


08 Aug 2017 19:37:49
We should not be looking at anyone. Phil is not for sale and that should be our mindset.


08 Aug 2017 19:45:43
Saints have just signed Lemina, I guess he's Pips replacement next year.

(I'm joking, trying to lighten the mood)


08 Aug 2017 19:53:26
Even if Count doesn't go I'm still hoping we're looking at players. Or has CL football allowed us to make the 3 signings we have only.


08 Aug 2017 19:57:06
Ox and VVD by all accounts the most likely assuming Southampton will entertain a conversation on VVD eventually. Am not sure where some of the other potential names we've looked at stand (like Luan, Malcolm) and a few others have fallen away or moved elsewhere (like Keita, Herrera, Mendy) .

My main concern now is if Coutinho leaves and Lallana is injured our midfield is Hendo, Can, Gini and then two youngsters in Grujic and Woodburn. I suppose there is also Milner but I'm not convinced by him in midfield personally, think he's far better out wide. and that midfield looks a bit thin and a bit light on goals.

I would have to expect we have another midfielder in mind for a late transfer bid.


{Ed002's Note - I would by no means discount Luan coming in to play - but it would be difficult. Malcom I think you can forget.}

08 Aug 2017 20:05:23
Cheers Ed - anyone else you're aware of that we might still be considering for midfield besides Keita and Ox?


{Ed002's Note - Right now, no.}

08 Aug 2017 20:48:44
Thanks.


08 Aug 2017 19:29:07
Ed01 if your about

If you had to stick your neck out. Do you think Liverpool will sell Couts this summer or hold on?

The other query I have if Ed02 advice comes to fruition of Klopp signing for Bayern Munich in 18/ 19 who would you think we would look at, or is there someone you would have in mind that would be a good shout for a manager/ coach?

Thanks in advance

Jon.

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{Ed001's Note - I expect him to go. Sorry. I just can't see him turning them down.

I really do not see anyone who I could possibly suggest would be a good shout in 2 years time.}

08 Aug 2017 19:55:11
Ed001, do you think Coutinho would need to end up putting in a transfer request if he decides he wants to go as the club does not want to sell.


{Ed001's Note - no idea, but I hope not as we have always been a club in the past that looked after our players. It is another of the things we were known for that has been destroyed in recent years.}

08 Aug 2017 20:12:05
Wagner depending on how he does over the next 2 seasons with Huddersfield.


08 Aug 2017 21:36:33
just a shot in the dark, but in 2 years time would they ever potentially look at stevie g to take klopps spot? very limited experience but he is brilliant in his own.

just a thought.


{Ed025's Note - mind...is the word your looking for mate..

08 Aug 2017 21:38:50
Pep Lijnders maybe? I've nothing but good things about his contributions to the youth and 1st teams.


08 Aug 2017 20:10:28
Thanks for the quick response Ed01 and all you do for us on this site 🖒.


{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome mate, thank you.}

08 Aug 2017 20:35:49
Do u rate luan ed1?


{Ed001's Note - not seen him play sorry. Not the Luan you mean anyway.}

09 Aug 2017 14:42:15
Wagner that's a very good call Leeeee.


08 Aug 2017 18:57:59
Ed02 has me on the bus desperately trying not to laugh out loud at his hobbo comment and laughing even harder at the folks taking umbrage to it. 😂😂😂.

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08 Aug 2017 20:04:57
A very wealthy hobo.


08 Aug 2017 18:38:23
Hi Eds

First time poster here. Just something I seen briefly and was wondering if you had any information or opinion. After signing his 6 year deal at Southampton VVD then dismissed his agent. would you know as to why? Many thanks in advance?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, but I would not want to get in to detail (and it was some months later and unrelated). I have already explained the meetings with Chelsea and Mnchester City - that was the first oif the moves under the Jansens.}

08 Aug 2017 21:27:12
Ed002, care to share a random interesting behind the scenes football anecdote instead?


{Ed002's Note - Not even a sentence.}

08 Aug 2017 17:53:22
I urge all fellow poster who have differing opinions from that of Ed002 to please be respectful while putting their points across, failing that they should refrain from posting in a manner that comes across as disrespectful towards ed002. He has no obligation to provide any information to us, but does so of his own accord. We don't want him to stop posting like he did on the arsenal page where they had to go through a lot of the transfer window without his input.
And on that note, ed002 thank you for all the information you have provided.

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{Ed002's Note - Post of the day. Your hamper is in the mail.}

08 Aug 2017 19:14:05
If people take offence Alls I can say to them eds 2 is grow up if you don't like what you here then go somewhere else like the Everton page saying that what would you talk about 😂😂 no but on a serious note come on lads lighten up.


{Ed002's Note - Another nearly coherent sentence. Well done. As an Everton supporter all I can say is my Toffee chums (as we call each other) have a much better understanding of the English language than you seem to.}

08 Aug 2017 19:42:36
i like what ed002 posts because it's the truth, if you can't handle that then go and read the tabloids through rose tinted glasses.


08 Aug 2017 19:58:03
I like Ed002 straight talking. Cuts through the BS and says what he thinks as well as being funny AF. You're a top man Ed. Ignore the haters.


08 Aug 2017 20:50:09
Nice to see you've snapped out of your funk Frankly ;)


08 Aug 2017 20:55:23
Still waiting for my hamper ed002, been over a year now 🤔.


09 Aug 2017 14:26:06
Totally agree people freaking out about counts yet they were all for it happening with vvd and naby.


08 Aug 2017 18:44:41
Honestly i say let yhe little scamp go and enjoy himself in spain. A footballers career is short and there will be other coutinho's that will come along. Like a poster mentioned a few days ago, we have sold our so called best players for decades and someone always comes along to fill the void. I actually think we already have his replacement in bobby firmino who is just as talented but in a different way. I believe he can be the creative catalyst until we get keita next year.

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08 Aug 2017 19:37:04
We've sold players but recently we haven't filled the void. We need to make sure we actually don't waste the money this time.


08 Aug 2017 19:46:54
Coming, how has your premise gone for us lately or were you satisfied with the dross we brought in to replace, Xabi, Torres and Suarez when they left. Your post makes little sense based on our disastrous track record of replacing our star players. The list is poor replacements endless.

If we sell Cou now, we might as well give up any ambition we have of not being a feeder team or being able to compete. Don't be fooled into this pathetic belief of "if he wants to go, let him" or "he is irreplaceable". That is just BS. RBL for one, disagree with your notion. How did RBL keep hold of Keita then? Cos they knew they would not be where they are without him and that they need him and come hell or high water, they were not selling even tho we offered almost double his release clause.

If you think we would get top 4 last season w/ o Clou's heroics last season esp. at Stoke were he played thru a severe illness, then you are deluding yourself. He is our most important player and if we sell him now, then we will regret it cos bar Spurs' Ericksen, there is not a soul out there that can do what he does for us.


08 Aug 2017 20:49:10
Erickson or Insigne for me Bingo. Both good number 10's with a similar skill set.


08 Aug 2017 18:42:30
It sucks that Couts is going, but I wish him all the best. I will support the Squad till the day I die, and am omptimistic that we will get a player to make us kick on. I hold out hope for Pulisic. Whatever happens I love the club, and support the manager and owners.
Matt in FL.
I am curious what the Eds expect to happen now?

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{Ed001's Note - in what way?}

08 Aug 2017 19:48:26
420, Pulisic is going nowhere and has said that repeatedly esp. now that Barcelona are negotiating with BVB for Dembele. That won't happen. Love ya positivity tho for the coming season.


08 Aug 2017 20:24:36
Ed 01, any incoming players? And how do you think the year plays out. I still think top four and a trophy is realistic?


{Ed001's Note - ah ok, I still expect a player or two incoming mate. Top four and a trophy should be the least we expect.}

08 Aug 2017 18:26:11
With coutinho seemingly about to leave, do you think Liverpool will go back in for asensio?

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{Ed001's Note - no chance of getting him.}

08 Aug 2017 18:59:47
Im guessing Luan is off the table as well?


{Ed001's Note - I don't know.}

08 Aug 2017 18:00:09
This time of the year always breaks me. We're either on top of transfers or left in the gutter with them drives me mad.
Anyways life goes on but I can see why coutinho would want to go to Barcelona but I'm sure he also sees why he should stay. Us the fans. But in all honesty if we wanna keep him we got to show more commitment in the transfer market an stop dilly dallying trying to knock a few mill off here an there. Same old same old. I'm sure if we was to go to saints an say right here 55mill for vvd an here's another 5 mill for being bloody stupid. That would sort our defence out. We was offering for 2 players before interest was declared in coutinho well over 100 mill so we have money to spend but seem reluctant to spend it. I we wanna keep coutinho we got to open the purse and show our ambition.

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08 Aug 2017 19:50:59
Woody, the interest in Cou dates back to over a year ago. Also, I agree that we must show ambition and we did esp. with Keita. RBL stood their ground and did not relent. I propose that we do the same thing with Cou as clearly it is possible to say no to a bigger club.


08 Aug 2017 17:59:34
Am I the only one who thinks Phil isn't leaving this transfer window? Hands up.

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08 Aug 2017 18:58:30
He is going.


08 Aug 2017 19:10:27
It doesn't matter. We'll still have a team to support and be able to field 11 players. He stays, he stays. He leaves, he leaves. Life will have to go on.
My gravest wish is that the club is able to make proper provision in the seemingly likely event he leaves.


08 Aug 2017 19:52:00
I am hoping he stays esp. since Barcelona are now in Germany negotiating with BVB for Dembele, per Bild.


{Ed002's Note - Try and segregate - it is nothing to do with Coutinho. It is relevant only because they cannot get the Neymar replacement they want and Dembele is seen as a cure all.}

08 Aug 2017 17:45:07
Enough now about little magician and VVD ain't the weather rubbish 😂.

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08 Aug 2017 17:39:49
Klopp has stated before that he will not force a player to stay if he does not want to be here. Couts may be conducting himself professionally but if he did in fact ask klopp to go you got to figure this tips the scale to him actually leaving.

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08 Aug 2017 18:16:31
Don't remember him saying any of that, OP. I do remember him saying that no player he wants to work with will be sold. In fact, he vetoed Lewandowski's move to Bayern in 2013 after he had just lost Goetze to the same team (triggered his release clause), a pseudo situation we are now facing now with Lallana being injured for 3 months and Cou wanting a move to Barca.

Lewa played out his final season and left on a free to Bayern. This shows that Klopp is able to dig his heels in which hopefully, he is doing and the owners had better tow the line.


08 Aug 2017 17:38:24
all over the web Couts is on his way, sale agreed no point in mentioning the money its irrelevant best of luck to the lad if confirmed.

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08 Aug 2017 18:18:04
Fake news. The Ed's have debunked it and Balague has said via twitter, that LFC are not aware of Barcelona officials coming in to London for talks.


08 Aug 2017 19:18:42
Wonderful sentiment there Savvyxone. Quite refreshing. None of this bile and hating on the lad coming from some.

The posts generally across all these pages demonstrate just how far removed fans are from the reality of football dynamics.
For the fans there is only one lenses, one prism, with which to view the world of football, maybe sports in general.


08 Aug 2017 17:16:36
Hello Eds,
just a quick question: if we agree to sell Couts to Barcelona tonight, can he still play against Hoffeinheim over two legs for us and then move to Barcelona once the qualifier is done, without this affecting his eligibility to play for FCB in the CL in the upcoming season?
Many thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Sure but the sale would not be agreed in advance - it would have to wait until after the game.}

08 Aug 2017 17:33:34
Emre can will sign a new contract with Liverpool in September. personally thing it's great news 👍.

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08 Aug 2017 17:41:32
Why September mate?


08 Aug 2017 17:56:15
Good news if true.


08 Aug 2017 18:01:59
I'm guessing it's to do with the transfer window and any incomings but as things stand he looks set to stay.


08 Aug 2017 16:22:29
Good afternoon Eds,

Firstly, I am not questioning for a second the information you have provided about VVD, I take that as the truth and it's beyond embarrassing from Klopp, the club and all involved, as is our conduct with other transfers.

However, the question really is simple. Why haven't the media (i. e. tabloid newspapers etc. ) said anything about it at all? Is there a superinjuction?

Thanks

Rich.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the media have said and haven't said. There is certainly no "super injuction". Without doubt the Telegraph went some way to descibe the lengths the club went to to lie to an investigation, the try and persuade the parents of the child whose career they screwed to lie to the investigation and the ban the club are serving right now - and perhaps they alluded to why the club were so willing to accept the ban and not contest it?}

08 Aug 2017 17:54:31
Ed002

More importantly, what has happened to that young lad? Has he been picked up by another club or has he gone back to his grassroots club or worse case scenario given up on football totally? Would genuinely like to know how that kid is getting on since then as all of this has obviously had a terrible effect on him and his family of course.


{Ed002's Note - He can't be. He is in a position whereby only a club that pays the full tuition fees of youngsters already (and there are only a couple) can get them out of this whole. Everton agreed to pay the transfer of registration fee which was small, but you cannot single out one player and make payments to the family to cover education unless you do it for all. The debts have mounted and the parents are stuck. They are looking to sue Liverpool to cover their debts but it leaves the kid in a weird netherland. I am surprised that the FA has not stepped in to make an exception to fix it for the boy, but they are stuck whilst the court case is unresolved, as are the Premier League who are awaiting the presentation of one particular item of evidence. I am sure in the end it will all be OK for the kid, but it will need the bending of a rule or two.}

08 Aug 2017 19:37:20
Thanks for the reply Ed, it's a very sensitive subject to which should never have happened to begin with, such a shame that Red Tape has to be taken into account by the Authorities and that lad is as you mentioned left in limbo.

I really hope this stops as there's a huge amount of young talent out there.


08 Aug 2017 14:53:50
Hey Eds, can I just ask how players like Richarlison get a work permit to play for Watford when he doesn't have that many international caps and players like Allan can't. Is it simply Allan hasn't played enough first team games? I know there is a points based system but it seems a bit wishy washy.

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{Ed002's Note - It is indeed a surprise as other sides walked away from him because of the work permit situation - but Watford need to make a special case.}

08 Aug 2017 18:06:55
Mad considering they can't even get one of the stars of u20 world cup penaranda for Venezuela a work permit who is more highly thought of.


08 Aug 2017 16:46:17
Eds, and others,

If Coutinho were to leave, what would your thoughts be on Suso as a replacement?

Clearly this is a hypothetical discussion with very little likelihood (Suso as a replacement), but I have an affinity for Suso from his time spent in the academy and, albeit briefly, first team previously.

In my opinion, he also shares similar qualities and plays in a similar manner, albeit on the other side of the pitch.

Thanks,

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{Ed025's Note - talk about trading in a rolls royce for a lada..

08 Aug 2017 17:06:11
What ed025 said.


08 Aug 2017 17:27:30
As much as i think it'd also be like trading a Rolls Royce for a lada i think Klopp might go in for Meyer if Coutinho were to go. i still think we'll keep him, at least for this window.


08 Aug 2017 17:57:08
Meyer doesn't want to come to us, he wants to move to Spurs.


08 Aug 2017 18:19:50
Meyer is a quarter of the player Cou is.


09 Aug 2017 14:30:18
I really would love to see Diego Costa come in, and let Firmino drop back. Not going to happen though.


08 Aug 2017 16:44:17
Immediately he signed a new contract.
Immediately he was made captain for a day.
Immediately we were bidding crazy sums for ?
Immediately the CEO came on twitter to dissociate himself from transfer decisions.
I knew we would come to this.

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08 Aug 2017 16:57:24
For a living I advise business owners how to grow and sell their companies.

If I advised FSG I would ask them these 4 questions about whether to sanction the sale of Couts or not:

1) Are Liverpool more or less likely to get champions league next year if he is sold?

2) Will the value of Liverpool go up or down if they aren't in the champions league?

3) How much will you lose if not in the champions league next season including TV, sponsorships and marketing etc.?

4) And here's the biggie - will the player's value go up if he stays and you sell him next season?

FSG owners didn't become rich by luck. They are smart businessmen and they will ask the above - and unless they are smoking something over there in Boston and a lot of it - Couts will be here come 1st September!

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08 Aug 2017 17:20:56
All very sensible points.


08 Aug 2017 17:25:02
Or maybe he will ask to leave and the club will respect his wishes instead of keeping someone who doesn't want to stay.


08 Aug 2017 17:21:03
If he wants to go, then he will go!


08 Aug 2017 17:38:02
FSG are thoroughly an investment company.

They've got a model to run the club.

their model is no different then anyother investment company.

For them keeping net spend down and increasing revenue is essential for their business model.


08 Aug 2017 17:45:27
I can't disagree with any of that mate. Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

If our business in the window concludes as is and we fail to bring in a big name target, and at the same time let PC go then FSG will be lining themselves up for an absolute onslaught if you ask me. Im not saying any of the embarrassments so far are down to them but they will bear the brunt of it regardless unfortunately. They will be responsible for the sanctioning of the PC sale and that will may well be the straw that broke the camels back.

I'm still trying to be positive and hope we pull something extraordinary off in the coming weeks with both aspects.

Either way Klopp has let us down by making all this so uneccesary. It looks shambolic to us fans on the outside, I can't imagine how much other clubs are laughing at us from within the business.


08 Aug 2017 17:45:44
I agree with all this - what you're missing though is does Coutinho want to play for Barcelona or Liverpool this season and if he prefers to go, do you hold him against his will or not.

I genuinely believe Klopp and FSG would prefer not to sell him at all, but this is about whether they want to try force him to stay or let him follow his dream.


08 Aug 2017 18:24:39
Spot on, OP. Smallsy, how is Klopp at fault for the Cou issue, exactly? Pls, explain or are you just looking for someone to blame?


08 Aug 2017 19:25:41
Player power.


08 Aug 2017 19:43:43
Ron - great to have a reply from you my fellow positive supporter 😜

However I didn't notice Keita joining us when he allegedly
wanted to and it was his final year of contract? And what about Sanchez in his final year?


08 Aug 2017 16:37:26
What ever happens I say good luck to couts I don't think there is many players that would turn down the chance. It is pissing down here and it is red hot in barcalina.

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08 Aug 2017 17:00:13
Reports from espn 81 mill rising to 108 mill.


08 Aug 2017 17:00:55
I'm in Spain on holiday and it's 35c and full of mosquitoes - I wonder if he's factored in that it could cost him a fortune in sun tan lotion and insect repellent ☀️😂.


{Ed025's Note - i only buy insect repellent when liverpool come to goodison..

08 Aug 2017 17:06:52
Leeeeee, I know we don't talk money in these parts but that's a poor deal if true.


08 Aug 2017 17:22:58
I thought Goodson was in Liverpool? Assuming you don't like Everton fans either Ed 😂.


{Ed025's Note - its only for visiting insects mate..

08 Aug 2017 17:24:10
I would suggest some termite repellent for woodison. 😉.


{Ed025's Note - the iconic old lady is fine for now davey until we get our fantastic state of the art stadium mate..

08 Aug 2017 17:57:36
State of the art. 7th will feel so much better in a modern stadia lol 😂.


08 Aug 2017 18:57:50
Ha. Gutted to see you move to be honest.

Brought up seeing both stadium from my window, albeit two miles away.

I would often close on eye to stare at the proper one to be honest.

Two stadiums in suck close proximity is wonderful in my eyes.


{Ed025's Note - if you win the lottery davey you can get a dockside apartment and see our new stadium when you wake every morning, better than those two relics mate..

08 Aug 2017 15:58:43
I believe that when coutinho leaves we should look at bringing in a quality striker like aubameyang, With Salah and Mane either side and firmino just behind would be devestating. Could interest in him or another top class striker be an option eds?

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{Ed001's Note - we brought a striker this summer, how many do you want?}

08 Aug 2017 16:20:42
OP, have you ever asked yourself why no one but a tin pot club from China came in for Aubameyang this summer? Could it be that he was a money grabber that could not be relied upon? Also, Klopp did not get on well with him at BVB as his attitude stinks which is why BVB wanted rid anyway.


08 Aug 2017 17:40:52
Or Dembele from Dortmund.


{Ed002's Note - No chance.}

08 Aug 2017 18:25:50
Dembele is Barcelona bound, potentially.


08 Aug 2017 19:05:40
So based on the answer do you believe we have the strikers to compete with the best in the league, I think Solanke has bags of potential but sturridge no doubt will miss plenty of games So are the others good enough for us to compete on all fronts?


{Ed002's Note - It would take a change of tactics by Klopp to start relying on an out and out striker rather than a bunch of guys who contribute. Going forward has not been a problem, nor has a lack of goals. Getting the defence sorted out has been more of an issue.}

08 Aug 2017 19:06:41
And I don't recall Dortmund 'wanting to get rid'


08 Aug 2017 20:26:57
I really do get your point ed02 and I completely agree defence is the priority 100% I would like to see some 1st team players come in for holding mid and cb also, just like some real quality added in 2/ 3 positions adding to what we have hopefully get rid of what we don't want/ need in the process. Living more in hope than anything else really.


08 Aug 2017 15:56:31
Howdy Eds and fellow reds.
Do any of you think that, after all that has happened this window, Klopp will lose some of his say in future transfer dealings?
And would I be close to the mark in saying that if Bayern were to begin looking for a new manager soon, Klopp would not turn a blind eye to the opportunity?
I appreciate any and all responses in an advance.

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08 Aug 2017 16:37:06
He's not going to lose his say, he's the manager after all. It's nothing to do with the players identified it's the way things have been gone abouts. I would expect someone to have a word with him along the lines of "Juergen, 'we love your infectious and charismatic personality, but when it comes to transfers it's best you don't get involved until we give you the all clear". As for Bayern, I'm sure he wants to manage a club where players don't seem to be cherry picked from and there ain't many of those clubs around.


08 Aug 2017 16:41:40
I doubt he'll go to Bayern as they are BVB's rivals, he also has a special something in there for BVB. He wasn't happy when the likes of Gotze and Lweandowski left for Bayern so I doubt he'd do that imo. Maybe German national team coach when Lowe leaves?


{Ed025's Note - he will go to bayern ted, he will go in 2018/19 what ever happens at liverpool..

08 Aug 2017 18:27:10
Per Ed02, He wanted to go to Bayern from the word go.


08 Aug 2017 22:15:23
So you're saying this coming season will be his last with LFC no matter what happens ed?


{Ed025's Note - its likely i would suggest mate..

08 Aug 2017 15:45:51
First time poster. Been loving this site for years so thank you eds and reds.

I wanted to give an alternative world (and support Ron on the positive side) to what most have decided is going to happen during this important transfer window (aren't they all? ) Please excuse my length - ahem!

We all know we needed to strengthen certain key areas so what if the below is what actually happens rather than all the endless guesswork mostly enabled by people wanting to increase their twitter followers:

Left back - Robertson, achieved
Winger (in addition to and in case Mane gets injured again) - Salah, achieved (I understand from eds that he may not have been first choice but he's a damn good third
choice IMO and will be a big hit this season)
Striker (in case of Sturridge, Ings etc injuries) - Solanke (unproven but looks a good reserve for Bobby or Danny), achieved
This is where it gets interesting.
Midfield (creative player needed to break down the teams who park buses like Manchester United) - Coutinho (please correct me if wrong but he is still a Liverpool player and I believe he will stay one more year Ps. He's so good in that role that Barcelona want him to replace Iniesta one of the best players ever in that position), achieved
Centre back - I know he hasn't joined (like counts hasn't left) but he is certain to leave saints for another team after that TR so if we stump up big cash I believe there is every chance he will join (though I understand our behaviour has been poor), possibly achieved

Plus some local lads coming through for some first team action.

Sounds promising doesn't it eds and reds!

I say bring on Saturday.

👍🙂🔜.

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08 Aug 2017 15:53:56
If we can keep a hold of couts, and add a CB not necessarily VVD I am very optimistic about our season. Even if we loose Couts I don't think its not the end of the world. Very excited about Salah, and if can keep hendo and studge fit for the season even without couts we are a very strong team, the squad depth may need to be addressed.


08 Aug 2017 16:41:16
VVD is toxic to us, forget it.


08 Aug 2017 15:11:41
Afternoon Eds. just wondering if you guys could give us an opinion on who we may target (if any) for a replacement if Coutinho does go? Mahrez? Reus? Gotze? What's your thoughts?

First time post! Been on this site for years. addictive!

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{Ed001's Note - Salah?}

08 Aug 2017 15:28:24
Move Firmino back to the attacking midfield position and hope for one of Origi/ Sturridge to start firing, alongside Mane and Salah. It'll strengthen our midfield further too with Firmino's pressing and work rate, not to mention his ability to thread passes through to the front line.


08 Aug 2017 15:29:57
So would you add any one Ed001, if Coutinho did leave. I. e. A Striker, CAM, CM or do you believe we should focus on defence as we have enough creativity and fire power? I think we do need to strengthen our defence but I think if Couts leaves we will be seriously missing something in our attack that will be hard to replace. Most goals scored from outside the box since he's been in the prem, that's hard to replace in tough games.


{Ed001's Note - I would add a midfielder, we will need to defo if Can does not sign a new contract.}

08 Aug 2017 15:36:24
Please not Ed001.

Salah is great but moving him deep like we intended to play coutinho in wouldn't make any sense this season.


{Ed001's Note - no, you are missing the point, Couts was our left winger, so we have already replaced him. If he stays that is different.}

08 Aug 2017 15:52:49
ED01

I thought Salah would be the ideal replacement for Couts, as he seems quite comfortable across the front 3.

If that happens, do you see us going back in for Brandt? Left footed left winger? Has he decided his future is elsewhere, or could he see Liverpool as an option if Couts were to leave, and we declared an interest in signing him?


{Ed001's Note - I would think nothing has changed for him, he was the one who was not keen to join us.}

08 Aug 2017 16:23:17
Brandt like Lallana and Ousmane Dembele, is two footed. He rejected us due to playing time so don't see why he would suddenly change his mind.


08 Aug 2017 16:41:44
Brandt/ Meyer.


08 Aug 2017 16:49:44
He was not keen because he would have been second choice to Coutinho.

Coutinho was then moved to the middle, where he is/ was expected to play this upcoming season and replaced by Salah on the left wing.

If, Countinho goes, and Salah plays in the middle, that leaves a gap on the left wing. If Brandt was brought in he would then be the first choice, left footed, left winger.

It is not hard to work out.


08 Aug 2017 16:55:36
Meyer wants to go to Spurs.


08 Aug 2017 14:43:56
I don't understand why we aren't taking the same stance as RBL did with Keita and telling Couts very politely that he will have to wait another year no matter the offer that comes in from Barca.

He might be a bit miffed at first but being a World Cup year as well as being a good lad and a true professional he'll get on with it and play out of his skin.

Like Ed002 I believe all the players are transient employees of the club and life goes on, however considering we've completely ballsed up this transfer window up, pissed off a number of clubs, we wouldn't be able to find a replacement before the window closes. Therefore we've got to keep him for another year and make proper provisions for some sort of replacement next year.

If he does go now, clubs will hold us to ransom for whomever we go for, for an even bigger fee knowing how much we're raking in from Couts.

If we want to progress we have to stop selling our best player every other year.

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08 Aug 2017 15:12:27
ToonRed, your post is brilliant and well-thought-out. I literally have nothing else to add. Hopefully, your hope comes true as I share it completely.


08 Aug 2017 16:23:46
Agree with most of what you have said, Toonred.

The only bit I don't agree with is that we have ballsed up this window.

If we keep Couts, and add VVD (which I still think we will do) then we will have added 3 players to our first team, strengthening positions that we had previously identified as needing strengthening - LB, LW and CB.

We've not got all of our first choices, and our behaviour as a club has been deplorable with the continuous tapping up, but the outcome (when you look back in time to come) will have been good.

Its a shame we didn't get Keita, but there's always next year and CM is an area in which we have a number of options. Sessengon - there's always next year if Fulham's view of us starts to thaw a bit, and we also get a chance to see how Robertson pans out.

Other than that, I agree with you!


08 Aug 2017 16:41:40
Exactly the point i made yesterday.
Owners need to grow some balls and they and everyone will benefit in the long run. Including Coutinho who regardless of Barca's take it or leave it stand, will come in again next summer or maybe earlier if we don't deliver in the PL or CL competitions.


08 Aug 2017 14:34:00
lads, i've tried the search but couldn't find the fantasy code. could someone give it to me please
Thanks James.

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08 Aug 2017 14:41:49
Hi Mate

It's 15240-12211.


08 Aug 2017 14:55:20
15240-12211.


08 Aug 2017 15:12:08
Cheers lads.


08 Aug 2017 14:25:57
If Coutinho decides to leave then I sincerely hope our supporters and fans will conduct themselves with the dignity and decency that the history, prestige and legacy that LFC deserves. Unlike what the Barcelona fans have done during the friendly game against Chapocoense.

Chapocoense is the Brazilian team that lost all, save 3, of its players in a plane crash a few months ago. The Barcelona fans were chanting (supposedly - but I saw the video) for Neymar's death. In such a game?

It is way beyond sick and just shows nothing but a deep lack of humanity. No other words come to mind. It's just football. It's just a game.

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08 Aug 2017 14:40:14
Agreed ra. top post!


08 Aug 2017 14:40:24
They won't be chanting for Coutinho's death but they may be chanting for FSG's death if the little magician goes!


08 Aug 2017 15:05:25
Coutinho is Brazilian, it is a big deal over there to play for Barcelona and I can't blame him for actually wanting to fulfil a childhood ambition. My concern is that if we sell him we don't repeat the mistakes of previous transfer windows and buy mediocre players with the funds, Coutinho is top class player and must be replaced with a player of similar quality, or it will show a lack of ambition and that we really haven't learnt a thing. So good luck to him if he goes, unless he is playing against us, obviously.


08 Aug 2017 15:17:36
Spot on, OP. FranklyShankly, you are indeed correct. Cou may want to got to Barcelona but LFC have an interest in this too and we must defend it esp. as he signed a new deal. If he wanted to leave, he should have rejected the deal and no one would have kicked up a fuss. My stance should be that he is not for sale at any price esp. since Lallana is injured till near December and bar Spurs' Ericksen, I do not see a suitable replacement for Cou right now. if we sell him now with a week before the season starts with no time to find a suitable replacement, we will regret is esp. since we are disastrous at replacing our best players.


08 Aug 2017 15:26:56
I agree with that too Bingo, we have to try at all costs to keep him. As he is a great player. Ultimately we all know that players are transient employees so if he goes the right player has to be brought in, agree with you on Ericksen superb player, the only other I can think of with the same skillset is Insigne.


08 Aug 2017 15:34:43
The OP, Not for sale simple really.


08 Aug 2017 16:34:47
The two most positive and sensible posts I've seen from you in weeks Frankly, agree completely.
It's hard for SA players to ignore the lure of Barca, it's what the club does next that will define us and our season.


08 Aug 2017 16:44:48
That's just disgusting.

I know that we have a lot more class than that. Players that have moved on on amicable terms still get a hearty welcome at Anfield, and players that haven't might get the odd boo (Sterling, point in case) but certainly not death wishes.


08 Aug 2017 13:46:44
Different media sources stating Barcelona officials have landed at Liverpool airport to finalise Philippe deal. How true this is 🤔 My thought process is "pictures or it never happened"

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08 Aug 2017 14:23:59
They're all wrong. As Ed has said they meet our people in London you know at our London offices.


08 Aug 2017 14:28:40
Not true at all. Been at airport for just over an hour and half and haven't seen/ heard anything of the sort.


08 Aug 2017 14:29:56
Wel they've been going to London to our offices for all other talks so why now go Liverpool, it's just people trying their luck mate.


08 Aug 2017 15:59:17
Have you checked Blackpool airport?


08 Aug 2017 16:37:24
They are apparently in Germany to sort the Dembele transfer.


08 Aug 2017 13:25:41
Hi Ed's,
Can I ask a question re Coutinho please?
You've been reporting for a long time now that he wants Barcelona and Barcelona wants him. We known about this and yet, why have we waited until the eve of the season to start, to lose one of our most important players.
Couldn't we, or more importantly shouldn't we have addressed this at the start of the window?
Maybe I'm asking a stupid question and for that I apologise. I know we don't want to lose him, however if this is a done deal, HOW can we act this way and seriously disrupt the team for a big season ahead.
Sorry, I want to have faith in the powers at be for making the right choices but it seems that at every turn, we are making very big mistakes.
Liverpool fan losing faith ☹.

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer questions about timing.}

08 Aug 2017 14:19:14
I see where you are coming from EP, the season is only a few days away, and if Couts were to leave us at this point, I will have a meltdown, and will not be a happy bunny, if fact I will prob give the first game a miss, as a protest .


08 Aug 2017 14:27:26
So a player gets the move their pushing for and your answer is to stop supporting the rest of the team? Be a normal fan and support LFC and those players that want to play for us.


08 Aug 2017 16:29:54
You've got to remember that transfers often have a domino effect. I don't know this for sure, but the Neymar transfer, with cash up front, has made Barcelona able to meet the price that we want for Couts. If that transfer hadn't have gone through, they may not have been able to afford a fee that was acceptable to us.

And in any case, he's not gone yet. let's see what happens.


08 Aug 2017 16:34:42
How could we have taken care of it sooner? The club wants him to stay. Were they supposed to prompt Barcelona to bid for him in June? May? January?


08 Aug 2017 13:21:42
Away from transfer talk for a moment.

Anyone know when the tickets for Hoffenheim game at Anfield go on sale?

Cheers.

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08 Aug 2017 13:20:38
What is the fantasy prem code?

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08 Aug 2017 13:14:11
Are lfc in danger of letting Can leave on a free next year . poor decision if they do and keep coutinho when he wants to leave.

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08 Aug 2017 13:21:06
Pretty sure he will sign a new contract over the course of the season. With Coutinho nearly gone, Can will get plenty of first team games. After all isn't that what he always wanted?


08 Aug 2017 14:35:05
The club shouldn't have let the situation get this far if he hasn't signed in the next week or so sell him.


08 Aug 2017 15:20:49
Kloppcat, why should we sell him, exactly? Cou may leave and I hope he stays, Lallana is injured for three months leaving us short in midfield so cutting your nose to spite your face is the wrong tactic to use here.


08 Aug 2017 13:12:33
Question for ed001 now that vvd has put in a transfer request do you think we will go for him or do you think he will end up at Chelsea ( this isite if Southampton let him go that is) just wonded what your thoughts are ed.

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{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced Chelsea will pay the asking price.}

08 Aug 2017 13:31:12
Thanks for quick reply ed001 do you think we will pay the price and do you think of Barcelona make another bid for courtinho he will go or will we hang on to him for another season your thoughts ed001 please.


{Ed001's Note - that depends on whether they are willing to accept any price from us or not.

When Barca make a formal bid I expect he will want to go. Sadly.}

08 Aug 2017 13:51:26
Thanks ed001 gutted about courtinho and I think he will go too even though klopp and club said not for sale shame we don't make a stance like rbl did regarding ketia mate.


08 Aug 2017 14:17:44
Ed I still feel we are still good enough for top 4 even without Couthino. Yes of course I like others want him to stay but no point of avoiding the inevitable lad's.


08 Aug 2017 12:57:19
Ed001 do you think if coutino is sold klopp might think about his position as manager and even quit. cheers great site.

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

08 Aug 2017 13:54:43
Thanks for the quick reply I do think klopp will be cheesed off.


08 Aug 2017 14:21:10
Carra is saying that the fans will kick up, that might be an understatement .


08 Aug 2017 12:51:44
Let's start a debate. If you could pick a striker for Liverpool to sign, who would it be and why?
For me I'd pick Aubameyang. He's pace alongside Mane and Salah would give defences nightmares. He'd easily bag 20+ goals a season for us.

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08 Aug 2017 13:19:26
Dybala.


08 Aug 2017 13:20:22
Mbappe so Klopp could improve him and triple his value within 2 seasons then he would no doubt move to Spain for £500 million.


08 Aug 2017 13:21:49
Mbappe or dybala for me.


08 Aug 2017 13:22:43
Balotelli
Because its never his fault.


08 Aug 2017 13:36:45
mbappe all day long, all though be interesting to hear which striker ed one would choose as we no who ever he wants Liverpool won't sign lol.


08 Aug 2017 13:39:20
Kane premier league proven goal scoring machine with years to go.


08 Aug 2017 13:40:40
Andriy Voronin.


08 Aug 2017 13:45:07
Klopp's greatest creation a. k. a Robert Lewandowski. He is the most complete CF on the planet.


08 Aug 2017 14:23:20
Jus can't see Mbappe coming to the premiership, when Real Madrid want him .


08 Aug 2017 14:26:20
Carlton Cole. he's just been sacked so available!


08 Aug 2017 14:26:24
Fully agree with you, IOM_Red.


08 Aug 2017 12:16:59
Ed001 if you're around.

This is going to be a question about VVD but not the farcical transfer dealings so hopefully that's ok.

If we do sign VVD then it will be as first choice so who would you play him with and where would you play him? (LCB or RCB or part of a back three) and why?

Cheers in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - he plays left side and it would be a back 4 as that is what we play.}

08 Aug 2017 12:23:45
Little break from the transfer saga; as many of you have seen there is a fantasy football league set up. My question, should I go with Salah or Mane. Both cost a similar amount of money.

Essentially who do we all think will score/ assist more in the coming weeks? I've preliminarily gone for Salah.

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08 Aug 2017 13:00:54
I had the same dilemma so I put both in 😊.


08 Aug 2017 13:20:22
Same here nutmonkey.


08 Aug 2017 13:31:17
I am also not ashamed to admit I have both of those and Bobby in my FPL team 👍🏻.


08 Aug 2017 13:43:36
I've gone Booby and Wini as my others. Feel Wini will step up this year.


08 Aug 2017 19:28:48
Booby and Wini - was that a Freudian slip? 😂.


08 Aug 2017 12:09:40
Question for the eds, in particular ed002. If klopp has been so unprofessional etc would it be conceivable that the owners would look at replacing him to save reputation or are the owners ok with what's happened or happening?

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{Ed002's Note - They are not looking to replace him - he has been told that the board and owners are unhappy about the matter.}

08 Aug 2017 12:46:21
Alot of fans are not happy with FSG, replacing klopp at the moment will be suicidal for them tho.


08 Aug 2017 13:12:05
kopite7, fans are fickle. Look how quick they turned on Rodgers. Should FSG remove him (don't think they will but he's probably had a warning at least) the fans will forget very quickly.


08 Aug 2017 09:50:13
Hi Eds, is it safe to assume that SFC won't deal with any other clubs (liverpool or chelsea or manu city etc. ) for VVD until they got an replacement in bag? And, do you know if they're really looking for a VVD replacment now?

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{Ed002's Note - They have players in mind but things can happen in parallel.}

08 Aug 2017 12:42:50
If I were Southampton I'd put all that's gone to one side for now and screw us on the transfer price and also be trying to get Sakho off us for a cut price deal.


08 Aug 2017 11:30:52
First time poster, long time follower.
I'm reading a lot about us not being able to replace coutinho etc, but correct me if I'm wrong, is firmino's best position not the same one currently occupied by coutinho?
If he were to go for a decent sun, could we not just drop firming back to the 10
Position and focus on a striker for example?

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08 Aug 2017 11:53:03
Thats already been mentioned on here previously.


08 Aug 2017 12:59:01
Personally, if we were to lose Coutinho (which I think is marginally more likely than not the 'now or never' from Barcelona may well sway him), then a slight tactical re-arrangement with Firminho occupying a forward position in central midfield - a sort of cross between playmaker and attacking midfielder as opposed to playing front 3, would pay dividends.

100m is a lot of money for a player that we only paid 8.5m for - we could cover any VVD transfer, buy another 40-50m player as well and still have enough for a bag of chips and the last bus.


08 Aug 2017 13:02:37
Personally, as an old git I miss the old days when your transfer business was largely done in private and the first anyone even knew about it was when it had already been done - blimey half the time the players themselves didn't know.


08 Aug 2017 11:03:05
Vvd would be a great signing but personally there's to much damage done with Southampton I wouldn't deal with them again as for couthino he stays for another year simple as club should stand firm and say no reguardless we couldn't get kieta or vvd as clubs don't want to sell well Liverpool don't want to sell couthino also the belittling of Liverpool is getting old liverpool is a fantastic club with massive support we stand together YNWA.

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08 Aug 2017 11:26:32
Surely it should be Southampton who shouldn't deal with us since they're the injured party, not the other way round?
I agree we should support our club and all stand together, but that does not mean I have to condone the actions of certain people within our club that have made us look foolish and unprofessional.


08 Aug 2017 11:44:31
I think we need to get over this Southampton have received some serious cash from Liverpool over the last few years yes the tapping up was wrong and there was a proper channel to achieve these things but we move on and protect what we have i. e. Couthino stays at all costs and liverpool and Southampton to do no more business with each other for a long time let's move on from this.


08 Aug 2017 11:49:44
If we are still interested we need to wait to see how Southampton deal with the transfer request (still hasn't been accepted) and if it has been accepted then we need to talk directly to Soton and ask if they are willing to deal with us.

Don't make them an offer or talk to VVD or anything just ascertain whether they are willing to deal with us. If they say yes, ask them how much they want and simply either pay it or say that we don't think he's worth that much and move on.

No haggling, no messing around, just speak directly to the club that we have wronged and ask for their permission, like we should've done all along.


08 Aug 2017 11:58:07
We should do all we can as a club to build bridges with Southampton to try and repair the damage we have caused. This would go a long way towards us being run professionally again and dragging the club out of the gutter.


08 Aug 2017 10:17:17
Dare I mention the name "reus" 🤔.

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08 Aug 2017 10:49:45
Isnt he injured at the moment?


08 Aug 2017 11:04:27
When is he not injured.


08 Aug 2017 11:04:47
ReU S erious?


08 Aug 2017 10:29:23
I must say Mr. Le tissier seems rather a bitter man doesn't he?
And Mr. Bellew claiming he's going to buy a Barcelona shirt with countinho on it, grow up tone or il give Adonis Stevenson a ring to put you back in your place 🥊.

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{Ed002's Note - I would never consider Matt Le Tissier to be bitter - I don't know what he has said but I am aware from some he works with that he is disapp;ointed in the unprofessionalism being shown by van Dijk - and I don't think there is much wrong with that. He is aware of the cause of this and it is something he, Southampton, other clubs and the authorities want to rid the game of.}

08 Aug 2017 11:35:03
I half agree mate to be honest but his little digs at lfc here n there are a bit farcical but maybe its banter as it's hard to tell reading text 😉.


{Ed002's Note - Many, many people in the game see what Liverpool has done as well beyond what is acceptable.}

08 Aug 2017 12:06:26
Many fans do as well ed002. It's a shame so many are blinkered on this site. It must get frustrating.
I doff my hat to you guys.


08 Aug 2017 12:16:12
A lot of people and ex aplayers don't like Liverpool because we dominated for such a long time. The bitterness persists to this day, which is a little bizzare (and sad) considering we haven't won much in a quarter of a century.


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with that. It is to do wilth illegal approaches, unprofessional conduct and putting professionals of other clubs in to the mess we see now.}

08 Aug 2017 12:30:24
JH,

your theory doesn't really work when you consider the love fest so many have for Man Utd though does it?

the whole "the worlds against us" attitude is nothing short of some having a chip on their shoulder and nothing else.


08 Aug 2017 16:31:29
The cause is surely the fact that he wants to further his career. Regardless of what Liverpool do (which I'm not excusing) if he was happy at Southampton and wanted to fulfil his contract he would tell us to do one! This Liverpool bashing over VVD is getting ridiculous he's a grown man and can make his own decisions he's not a child! He wants to further his career if that hadn't been us it would've been someone else! Southampton are to blame for his current situation because they have refused to listen to what he wants and told him to train on his own. We can be blamed for an illegal approach but we can't be blamed for someone's actions towards their club after that or their clubs actions towards them! Southampton should have brokered a deal that suited them at the start and this would have all been forgotten about by now. Honestly it's like we are at playschool or something!


08 Aug 2017 16:32:57
Added to that there is no doubt in my mind that Barcelona have illegally approached Coutinho and are using the press to try to get what they want. If he's not for sale we just stand firm and say no. What's the point of running to tell the teacher that the Spanish kid is picking on you? You ruin a relationship with another club that you may need in the future. Just stand up for yourself for gods sake and respectfully decline the offer. No need for this blame game that people seem to be playing.


08 Aug 2017 14:48:39
Don't worry about it, Mourinho and Chelsea did it and got punished for it and it's not hampered their reputation.


{Ed002's Note - Yes 12 years ago. And perhaps you should try and understand what happened there and who was responsible.

If you think Liverpool's reputation is undamaged ask the owners who are spending a lot of money on the monitoring of perception and image. Ask about those screwed by the club resulting ion a 12 year old boy being in the situation he is, his parents being in debt, the club being banned and the pending court case. Ask any of the elite sides who exclude Liverpool from membership or Southampton and other sides impacted by the total unprofessionalism. One idiot after another bring this up.}

08 Aug 2017 10:20:16
Read today that Southampton looking at Ben Gibson to replace Van Dijk, surely it would make sense for us to buy Gibson to save us having to buy him from Southampton in 12 months? :)

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08 Aug 2017 10:39:44
Ron said the same thing with Van Dijk a few year back.


08 Aug 2017 10:42:55
I saw that too Welsh and thought the same lol.


08 Aug 2017 09:45:15
Ed02,

Firstly, I agree Liverpool have acted appallingly throughout the Van Dijk 'saga'.

However, if you read Liverpool's public apology again, it states that we respect Southampton's stance on the player and withdraw our interest as a result. If Southampton accept his transfer request then it is clear their stance on the player has changed. Logically, but perhaps not ethically, that would give Liverpool a route back in to conduct business?

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{Ed002's Note - You are kidding right? You are now suggesting that the club is going to use the nuances of the English language and hidden messages in the apology to leverage a position in this matter.}

08 Aug 2017 10:07:30
We need to pay what the Saints want and grovel with an apology for causing this issue (rightly or wrongly) . Then accept the Saints may never do business with us for a very long time and we become more of a laughing stock.

Only then would we see VVD in a Liverpool shirt this season.


08 Aug 2017 10:30:54
Eds, if the player says he is only interested in moving to Liverpool and refuses all others, do you think this would result in a move to us? Or is this just wishful thinking? Surely his position is totally untenable now and is just a question of when he moves. Imagine his first game at st. marys! Saints fans will be even more vile than normal with their chants! I was there last season and their chants were pretty tasteless all round. at least lovren will get a breather hey. Cheers.


{Ed002's Note - Sure he might get his way. It puts both the player and the behavior of Liverpool in the spotlight. His position has been untenable for quite a while and Southampton are clearly very unhappy that it has come to this and they will be looking to sell him. As we stand right now, there is remaining interest from Chelsea and Arsenal, there is interest from Manchester City but if they are to add an expensive player elsewwhere in their squad then he may well be finincially beyond their reach. Then there is Liverpool who publically withdrew all interest and Klopp has made clear he is not looking to add to the defence - perhaps he has lied, nothing seems to be beyond him. Don't completely rule out an offer from abroad - which Southampton might be willing to listen to.}

08 Aug 2017 11:11:11
Good call Ed
Think his style of play would suit La Liga.


08 Aug 2017 11:22:19
Ed two klopp didn't say he wasn't looking to add to the defence, he said he won't buy just because someone is available.

Im absolutely not trying to be disrespectfull or insult you. Also I agree with you that we have behaved appallingly.

Cheers.


{Ed002's Note - You may want to go and check some of the things he has been saying Jay.}

08 Aug 2017 12:07:59
Managers lie all the time. Its a filthy, ongoing habit that give desperate fans unrealistic expectations and encourages the gullible press to write false headlines. It should be outlawed and Wenger, Klopp, Mourinho, etc, should be made to scrub toilets anytime they buy players for positions they have previously suggested they don't need. Changing their minds or tactics midway through a transfer season should be punishable by rotten cabbages and the stocks.
It has been known for certain managers to state that one of their star players is not for sale at any price. The transfer window progresses and guess what? The aforementioned players gets sold in a multimillion pound deal!
BUnch of fabricating, falsifying, fabulists and fibbers if you ask me.


08 Aug 2017 08:55:21
Morning Ed2. Yesterday you said something about AOC's name appearing more on the site in the coming days.

Does this mean that we've made a move for him or is it another team?

Thanks in advance for any reply.

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{Ed002's Note - LIverpool interest is still there.}

08 Aug 2017 10:41:49
Thanks Ed2.


08 Aug 2017 11:59:04
Hey Ed001 (or anyone with an opinion on the matter) where do you see AOC being in Klopps plans? I think would be an upgrade on our current right full back/ wing back options, we obviously favour attack inclined full backs and clyne isn't that, TAA is but perhaps isn't ready to be the main man just yet, or does Klopp see him as a versatile squad player, in which case will he want to come just to fill in gaps, I think he's a good player and seems like a good charater.


{Ed001's Note - I believe he sees him as a versatile squad player.}

08 Aug 2017 16:29:00
AOC would be a great signing whether Coutinho leaves or not. Can play multiple positions and has a work rate which would suit Klopps style.


08 Aug 2017 08:21:08
Hi Eds,

What is the next step for a player and club, after a transfer request is submitted?

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{Ed002's Note - The club to decide if the accept it or not.}

08 Aug 2017 08:20:36
Hi Ed, just out of curiosity I am asking this one. Does players get any kind of amount from the transfer fees agreed between the clubs?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, 5%, unless he requests a transfer.}

08 Aug 2017 09:46:40
Ed- hence a reluctance from some players to hand in a transfer request?
As an example, you have stated Coutinho has made clear his wish to join Barcelona over the year- if a fee is in the £120m region he would lose £6m from handing in a transfer request

Can see why transfers are played out by different means.


{Ed002's Note - Correct.}

08 Aug 2017 09:14:59
Hi Reds, this is not really Liverpool related, but just interested in opinions.
As Messi and Ronaldo are coming to the end, or pushing the latter end of the career anyway, who do you see as the next ballon D'Or winners?
Suarez is the next best for me, but he's the same age.
If Bale can stay fit maybe him, but in 2/ 3 years time he might be declining too, I don't see Neymar getting it at PSG to be honest.

So, who will win the next Ballon D'Or that is not Ronaldo or Messi?

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{Ed001's Note - Mbappe.}

08 Aug 2017 09:34:39
Neymar.


08 Aug 2017 09:40:32
Great question, I always thought Bale would fill Ronaldos shoes once he stepped aside but injuries are really stalling his career, Neymar would have been my next call but going to France won't help unless PSG win the champs league (certainly a possibilty) .
I would say that a Barcelona or Real player has the best chance as they are the biggest clubs in the world and will be at the business end of the champs league. Maybe it will be someone who hasn't signed for them, Madrid maybe Mbappe and Barcelona maybe Dybala?


08 Aug 2017 10:23:40
Obviously it would depend on how their respective teams do but I think Alli, Kane, Mbappe, Dembele, Dybala are all ones to watch for the future but I would say Neymar is next. I don't think Alli or Kane will win it whilst at Spurs but if they got a move they could well be in with a shout.


08 Aug 2017 10:48:18
Marco Asensio.


08 Aug 2017 11:03:06
I also wonder who is the next 25 goal a season player consistently like the mentioned two have done!


08 Aug 2017 11:33:43
Oxlade Chamberlain for sure. Why else do u think Klopp wants him?


08 Aug 2017 11:37:49
mbappe


08 Aug 2017 11:46:57
Carrasco, Kante, Alli, Coutinho, Neymar and possibly De Bruyne. To be honest though, Messi and Ronaldo are nowhere near finished yet.

Mbappe maybe in 4 or 5 years if he keeps his focus. He's only 18 and things can change rapidly at that stage of your career.


08 Aug 2017 09:14:20
Poor eds must think it's grounhog day for them everyday.
Keep up the good works lads, only 23 days left.

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08 Aug 2017 09:31:05
I'm not sure what I see most. VVD posts or people moaning about people's posts. Pretty tough one to decide.


08 Aug 2017 10:24:37
These posts are just as frustrating to read.


08 Aug 2017 12:36:13
So is this 😂😂.


08 Aug 2017 08:37:57
Can anyone actually see us signing VVD, because I've lost all hope in how we do business and I still think we will mess it up after he's handed in his request, probably offer him a lower wage because we think we have him nailed on.

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08 Aug 2017 09:08:08
I still think we'll sign him. But we are probably waiting for another club to make a bid for VVD until we move for him. I hope we sign as he's a good centre back and a big improvement on Lovren.


08 Aug 2017 09:16:37
Well, LFC's approach to conducting transfers is a shambles so who knows? If anyone is likely to screw up a transfer, its LFC. Although I hope we get VVD over the line at any cost. Klopp clearly wishes to build the defense around him and failing to get both Keita and VVD whilst losing Coutinho will lead to tensions within the boardroom and fans.


08 Aug 2017 09:30:57
Judging by the mess we have made of the transfers this window, I wouldn't be surprised if we let Couts go and buy Andy Carroll again. 🤦‍♂️.


08 Aug 2017 16:17:37
Chelsea bound imo.


08 Aug 2017 16:18:54
We wouldn't mess up this time. Much depends on the stance of Southampton.


08 Aug 2017 16:13:59
If you look guys no team has got all of their targets this summer. Conte is on the verge of walking because of Chelsea's cock it on Lukaku amongst other things, mourinho has got the hump at Utd Arsenal are just trying to keep their team together. City are about the only ones that seem to be able to get it sorted. Everton have signed a few but it's always easier to sign second rate players.


08 Aug 2017 08:32:29
Well how things change, VVD now tapping up Liverpool 🤣.

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08 Aug 2017 07:40:48
I have a funny feeling the transfers both in and out of Liverpool this window will bring quite a few surprises!

I think there will some exits of major proportions and some rather tasty additions too!

Money always talks and dictates in football no matter what relationship clubs have with each other!

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08 Aug 2017 07:35:45
Barcelona offer Couthino a now or never ultimatum. Apparently.

Knowing full well, if he has another good season at LFC - And World Cup, his value will certainly increase next year.

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08 Aug 2017 15:23:58
I don't think they would wait till next summer. Barcelona wants to add players this summer and not next year! He has to make a decision. If he stays ten FSG would resist any offer. If not then we will have to sell him!
FYI, He is not their first choice, they could go back
To Verratti if this is not happening!


08 Aug 2017 07:24:28
Eds . if Couts does go, which is looking likely now, does it show that klippertys stance of "not for sale" and "Going nowhere" was just bull or does it mean the board have in effect ignored him?

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{Ed001's Note - he knew what was happening all along and is just trying to persuade Couts to stay. There is no ignoring Klopp.}

08 Aug 2017 10:12:38
Agree completely - if you think you have a chance of convincing Coutinho to stay, would you really be answering the questions with 'maybe he'll stay, maybe not'

Don't see why everyone is so convinced Klopp is getting screwed here - he'll clearly prefer him to stay but I'm sure he'll also be thinking if he can't convince Coutinho then no point holding him against his will.


08 Aug 2017 10:27:41
Klopp is trying to persuade couts to stay because he has h****d up signing the players he wanted to replace him. If couts goes, which is about 50/ 50, Klopp has no one to blame but himself regarding the strength of the team.


08 Aug 2017 10:12:38
Agree completely - if you think you have a chance of convincing Coutinho to stay, would you really be answering the questions with 'maybe he'll stay, maybe not'

Don't see why everyone is so convinced Klopp is getting screwed here - he'll clearly prefer him to stay but I'm sure he'll also be thinking if he can't convince Coutinho then no point holding him against his will.


07 Aug 2017 19:10:04
Ed 001 what do you think of andre Gomes? Never seen him personally but I trust your opinion.

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{Ed001's Note - I have only seen him a couple of times, but he did not impress in the slightest. From what I have seen I would see him as a negative and they should pay us extra to take him off their hands. Like I said though, I have not seen him a lot, so it could just be that I saw him at a bad time. However what I saw was bloody awful. I mean shockingly bad. He looked like an uncoordinated teenager learning to kick a ball for the first time.}

08 Aug 2017 04:45:30
Trust me Ed001, I saw him play too a bunch of times and he was appalling. Not good enough for us. If we were in the Championship then maybe. Playing style reminds me of Can but without the work rate and strength to boss the midfield. Would struggle to make the matchday squad for us considering we have 5 midfielders all better than him including Grujic.
So many options out there that would be better replacements for Coutinho like Ante Coric, Kovacic. Not sure why the club would even consider any of Barca's castoffs in a makeweight deal for our best player. Stinks of a small club mentality on LFC's part if they allow Barcelona to get a favourable deal out of us yet again.
Either put up 120-130 million pounds on the table or shut up and look elsewhere. Should be a loud and clear message by FSG to Barca.


{Ed001's Note - it is always a mistake to take a player that wasn't a target, rash decisions work out so rarely, it is best to avoid them.}

08 Aug 2017 04:54:28
And it would be a even bigger mistake to take bang average players anywhere near LFC. Hopefully past lessons have been learnt and a decent midfielder actually signs.


08 Aug 2017 06:40:22
Exactly Buzzer, if the owners do decide to sell, we have to be strong and say no players involved in exchange.


08 Aug 2017 08:09:23
We would be kill two birds with one stone for Barcelona selling cout to them and taking a player off them. If he decided to go then just take the money. No favours.


08 Aug 2017 09:10:12
Exactly Longthing76. Barcelona mugged us off big time by paying much less that what Mascherano and Suarez were worth. They are back with their cheap tricks of not only taking our best player but also offering players they are struggling to offload. If they have the money, why lowball? LFC is not their feeder club and we need to stand up and make it clear we want every penny of what we think Couts is worth. Their cast offs wouldn't even make our matchday squad so what's the point of making ourselves look like fools by letting Barcelona dictate the terms of the transfer?
Yes, Coutinho wants to go and he will probably get his wish but on LFC's terms, not by Barcelona pushing us around yet again.


08 Aug 2017 10:33:57
Barca fans tell me Andre Gomes is either really good or shockingly bad as ed1 must have witnessed! No in between with him apparently, definitely avoid.


08 Aug 2017 16:18:26
@IB
What last lessons have we learned? Selling your star player in the 11th hour? Or going into a new season with the same old terrible defense?
We learned nothing why we are here sitting and throwing random names instead of one planned quality player. We have been nothing short of garbage!


08 Aug 2017 00:58:26
Not a rumour but a question for the eds. If Coutinho is sold to Barcelona would Draxler be a good option to replace him. I know he went to PSG for 40 million so wouldn't cost too much more than that which is a good price nowadays

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Not going to happen.}

08 Aug 2017 00:50:10
if coutinho does eventually leave i wish him all the best be sad to see him go tho. feel sorry for klopp having to work with his hands tied how long did it take to get the salah deal done. as for the owners i think there pretty deluded if they think we can challange for the title the champions league and cups with the sqaud we've got think its about time they started splashing the cash, do they even know the names of most of the l. pool squad i doubt it. my god they only turn up twice a season to watch a game. sorry for the rant eds keep up the good work.

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{Ed002's Note - Well Steve, let me break it to you, like Tommy Smith, one day Coutinho will leave Liverpool. No, I didn't really want to break this to you, but like Olaf Tryggvason, one day Coutinho will die.}

08 Aug 2017 01:41:09
You're on fire today Ed. transfer window and endless repeated questions starting to chip away at your sanity?

Here's one for you (and Ed01/ Ed25) - assuming Coutinho goes, would you suggest Liverpool
A) look to bring in an all rounder midfielder (like Keita or Gomes) and push Lallana/ Gini a bit further forward or
B) try to replace Coutinho like for like with another attacking midfielder/ forward (like Ox)
C) get a top striker and drop Firmino a little deeper

Who would your top pick be of who's potentially available right now?


{Ed001's Note - I do not see anyone in any of those categories around that would be worth getting in to replace Couts. There is no one near his level. I would rather we concentrated on getting the best centre back possible.}

08 Aug 2017 04:49:44
That would be VVD then Ed001. Klopp's wettest dream so far.
My personal preference is Manolas. Sure there are disciplinary issues but he is a defender that brings leadership and grit to a backline that is too soft under Klopp right now. Damn good in the air as well.
But we do need to replace Coutinho imo. Where is the creativity in midfield going to come from when teams park the bus?
Midfielders like Coric, Kovacic, Isco could certainly make the difference and are better than sticking Milner in midfield.


{Ed001's Note - I don't see a lack of creativity in the way we play, a playmaker, as such, is not essential. However one would be nice, just not Isco, I don't understand the fascination with such an average player.}

08 Aug 2017 05:05:36
Kovacic is my personal favorite to replace Coutinho. Not the same player but more like a young Stevie G.


08 Aug 2017 07:50:30
When replacing Coutinho you have to remember he contributed 20 goals a season, so the player coming in should be similar quality, Kovacic isn't similar quality.


08 Aug 2017 09:13:10
Being very frank, there is not a player available in the market that can replace Coutinho's quality and who would want to join us now. Kovacic is struggling to get games at Real and would fit in perfectly in Klopp's midfield. Not sure if we are interested, but he is the kind of player that will keep our midfield solid and ticking.


08 Aug 2017 10:02:49
Obviously I know he was never bought as a replacement and god knows I don't want couts to leave but, we have bought in another dangerous, goal scoring attacker in salah. Can he not just be the "replacement"? We alter our game slightly, attack with guile and pace down the wings rather than funnelling everything through Phil? We have a few decent attackin midfield options, if we can't find a genuine replacement should we not keep our powder dry and strengthen at the back?


08 Aug 2017 16:17:09
Isco is not average, he has been un-droppable for the best team in the world for the past 6 months and is still relatively young. Took a while to find his feet but he is loved in Madrid now.


08 Aug 2017 16:17:46
Frankly

What don't you name a player who will contribute 20 goals willing to come in the 11th hour? Kovacic is a central playmaker, He is excellent in passing and carrying the ball in tight areas something we heavily rely on Coutinho! He also had the best dribbling stats in la liga last summer. If not Modric he would be starting at Real!
There are no like to like replacement for Coutinho. If there was one Barcelona wouldn't splash £120 mill on him!


08 Aug 2017 00:49:46
Liverpool should make sure they keep coutinho at all costs, put the foot down and tell him he can leave next year, surely won't go on strike and never play again as it would affect his chances of making the World Cup squad.

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{Ed002's Note - Trust me, he is not going to go on strike. It is not like he is a local coal miner or whatever they have in Liverpool. Or is he?}

08 Aug 2017 02:13:59
dude he won't be like vvd his behaviur is different.


08 Aug 2017 16:17:20
Because Coutinho's potential move is not about money. He's on good money at Liverpool and wouldn't be on much more at Barcelona if at all. VVD sees a chance to significantly increase his salary so his motivation is much greater.


08 Aug 2017 00:17:03
Ed 002 (I think), when you said that there would be talk very soon about Oxlade Chamberlain with regards to Liverpool (or words to that effect, can't find the post, may have dreamed it) was that to do with him liking a comment on instagram or is it unrelated? I recon he would be a decent signing personally, in Klopp we trust :)
Hope all is well
J.

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{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of Instagam to be honest, but perhaps it is that. You live a clearly very enlightened life.}

08 Aug 2017 07:48:49
Seriously can't understand how people think he's a decent footballer, he's a slightly over weight Andros Townsend at best, with worse shooting.


{Ed001's Note - he is absolutely nothing like Andros Townsend in any aspect of his play.}

08 Aug 2017 09:13:27
Runs down blind alleys, is very one dimensional in his play, no intelligence on the ball and relies on physical prowess rather than skill or guile.


{Ed001's Note - Townsend uses pace to a degree, but he also thinks he has skill, hence his tendency to run down blind alleys as he thinks he can get out of them. Oxlade-Chamberlain wants to link play, Townsend wants to be on the end of things. Totally different types of players.}

08 Aug 2017 07:30:26
Ed is the post in question deleted?


{Ed002's Note - What?}

08 Aug 2017 10:38:08
Ed002 I feel Laddie Bunton was referring to the post where you mentioned future talk of the Ox (you may just be messing with us, it's hard to tell a lot of the time) I just read about him liking said post on instagram (not much of a social media-man myself) and put two and two together, not overly enlightened just yet, and FranklyMrShankly I seriously can't understand how people think they know more than the club, it's just ridiculous, how many times have you watched Chamberlain play in the past year or so? cos I can asure you one or more professionals at the club will have been watching him quite in depth over the years and frankly I trust their views more than yours, weird, i know.
J.


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool interest remains.}

08 Aug 2017 00:37:31
Isn't Dele Alli a huge Liverpool fan? Offer him 150k a week and his head might just turn
And give Levy what we get for Coutinho and u never know.

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08 Aug 2017 03:00:26
If Dele Alli left Spurs he would likely be after quite a bit more than 150k a week in wages.


{Ed001's Note - if money was his reasoning, he would not be at Spurs in the first place.}

08 Aug 2017 04:01:04
i mentioned this the other day bt the original post was taken down, not sure what it was about already.

not even sure if we still have interest bt i wouldn't disagree to alli.


08 Aug 2017 04:51:47
Dele Alli is very much gettable. Huge LFC fan and im sure will want to play for us at some point. Do u really think he would let go of the opportunity to be the main man at his dream club? The only thing stopping us getting him is the price Levy would want for him, otherwise there is a good chance we could make a deal happen.


{Ed001's Note - why is he gettable? He doesn't want a move right now. That is the main issue, not Levy. I wish people would stop making up nonsense.}

08 Aug 2017 04:57:46
Fair point Ed001!


08 Aug 2017 05:08:35
I said at some point of his career Ed001. I believe he will be gettable in a few years time. Levy would be mad to let him go now. Never a realistic option but 2-3 years down the line we could use the "its now or never" trump card made famous by Barca.


{Ed001's Note - so fantasy dreams then? Only, if he carries on as he is, he will have the choice of the likes of Barca and Madrid and a price tag way out of our reach.}

08 Aug 2017 07:47:31
Deli Alli is not at all an acheivable target. Even if we made a record offer for a British player, do you not think United, City or Chelsea wouldn't come in and blow our offer out of the water if they thought Spurs were considering selling right now? (Which they aren't obviously and realistically, the lad can end up at Barcelona or Real in a year or two's time) .


08 Aug 2017 08:26:10
Ed001 - wasnt Alli gettable before he moved to spurs? Was that another ball dropped or fair to say that no one saw his star rising that quick?


{Ed001's Note - yes.}

08 Aug 2017 00:02:56
Is there a possibility that Liverpool are talking to Barcelona purely to appease Coutinho even if they have no intention of selling? This could be down to common courtesy or a Machiavellian plot to fool their own player depending on which brand of crazy is your preference but I think it's a possibility nonetheless. If I had to call it, I'd say Coutinho is going nowhere.

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08 Aug 2017 05:38:15
Three pertinent points:

1. Barcelona have a ridiculous amount of funds from the sale of Neymar
2. Coutinho has expressed his desire to move to Barcelona for over a year
3. Liverpool have agreed to meet Barcelona reps to discuss Phil's transfer

So three of the major parties involve seem to be progressing with a deal. Klopp might be talking the talk but all the signs point to Coutinho walking out.


07 Aug 2017 23:51:05
I've heard Insigne mentioned a few times as a possible Couts replacement (if he goes! ) . Would that be Lorenzo Insigne of Napoli?
Just had a quick read up about him and he seems to possess identical qualities. Great passer and technical ability plus he can take a brilliant free kick which we'll lose if Couts departs. Seems like a great shout for a replacement.

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08 Aug 2017 00:21:52
Rather mertens.


08 Aug 2017 00:40:29
He'd be as good a replacement as you're going to find Gordy, he's very short though so I'm not sure if the 3rd CM/ CAM role would suit him so well as he's a natural LW. This may sound strange but potentially moving Mane up front and Firmino to Coutinho's role could work a treat. I don't see it though as any sensible idea seems to go out the window.

Personally and I know I'll get shot down for this but Mahrez seems like the best natural replacement in my eyes, he could easily slot into Couts role and we've all seen how devastating he can be. I don't believe one poor season represents him as a player and in a better side he could easily produce the quality we all know he has. I also feel in a central role he will be able to have a bigger impact on the game rather than hiding away as he can often do on the wing.


08 Aug 2017 00:47:18
Coric.


 
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