Liverpool Banter Archive January 08 2014

08 Jan 2014 22:45:49
Why are we only loaning morata instead of buying?

Loaning Morata is possibly the most pointless loan signing since Moses.

{Ed002's Note - Let's hope he moves to Arsenal who are already negotiating terms.}

Not too bothered if he joins the gooners, we don't need Morata as Sturridge is close to fitness.
We need a left back, centre mid fielder and a winger. I would also send Moses back to Chelsea if I could as he has been at best disappointing and wasted both his and our time with his lacklustre displays.

Moses might be having a difficult time settling in Liverpool, get off the lads back boys let's just support him if he never does well that's just a move that didn't work out that's the beauty of loans be worse if we handed 12 million for him or whatever

Gooner fans don't even want him. They all want Jackson Martinez

Problem is that Moses just isn't applying himself, he just looks like he's here to collect his pay and not much more.

Apart from 10 minutes against Swansea he hasn't produced anything of any note and it's a waste of a loan and a salary, he may as well have stayed and Chelsea and rotted on their bench. That's not getting at him it's just stating fact.

09 Jan 2014 13:33:20
Agreed mark. But we couldn't have known he'd be dross beforehand could we?
Better it be a loan than actually owning him right?

Didn't set the world alight at Chelsea and wasn't great at Wigan, might have been a clue. Might as well have kept Assiadi as he has played very well for Stoke.

08 Jan 2014 22:22:14
Alonso signs contract extension with Real.

Better than seeing him turn out in a City/Chelsea/United shirt as the press kept mentioning.

08 Jan 2014 21:31:00
Banter please Eds,

Evening gents,

You Scousers are famed for your sense of humour, how about this?

I posted this on Gooners site a few weeks ago and got a good response.
Just for fun, what funny goal celebration would you have for your players?

I said "The Olly">>> Olly Giroud scores a goal and to celebrate, bearing in mind he's quite a good looking chap, he stands in front of an imaginery mirror, pulls out an imaginery comb and styles his hair and finishes off walking like a model up and down an imaginery catwalk.

What celebration would you boys have for one of the Liverpool players?

PS, you can tell i'm bored can't you lol?

Moses doing a shadow boxing celebration because he looks like Nicola Adams

I'd have Suarez pull an imaginary cloak from behind him and bite another players neck like Dracula.

Well suarez done the dive in front a moyse was pertty good I would like martin skrtel to do the danny sturrdige celebration just because the big serious head one him

I have to say the best was actually done by a Liverpool player suarez the dive in front of moyes just legendary stuff altogether

Suarez scores against Chelsea then runs to the halfway line then dives and rolls around in fake agony right in front of Mourinho.

Lol @ you boys,

Suarez doing "The Dracula"

Yh I remember the Suarez dive, classic.

plz don't anybody mention Robbie Fowler sniffing the touchline one lol

Would like to see Henderson run with a pantomime Hunchback of Notre Dame posture just to throw it back at whiskey nose.

JFT 96

JP

I'd have Suarez pull an imaginary cloak from behind him and bite another players neck like Dracula.

Scouse_Pride

We have a winner! funny as hell

Anyone figured out Sturridge's goal celebration, where he waves his arms around rather like Mr Tickle? What's that all about? Someone should tell him he looks a bit of a knob. I guess we don't work too much on Goal celebrations in training?

Shanks - think Moses had better do his celebration when he next wins a throw-in, because we'll be waiting a long time for his next goal!

I think we should adopt a celebration like Citeh did with 'The Poznan'.

How about if Lucas scores, the whole of Anfield drops their trousers and throw a moon. Just imagine 40,000 big brown eyes gazing down on our goal scoring hero.

08 Jan 2014 20:29:18
Hi eds. Hope all is well and you're all coping with the January sales. I'm seeing a lot of rumours about our younger players who bordered on the fringe last year, wisdom, ngoo, Morgan plus others who we are looking to offload. Are we actively looking to loan or sell our young players as they're not making the grade? Is suso the only one who has a possible career with us or is he away too? Lastly are there any promising academy players who are coming on well?

Cheers

{Ed001's Note - Ngoo is up for sale, Morgan has gone. Wisdom is up in the air, as he wants more first team football. Rossiter, Dunn, Ibe and a few others look likely to make the grade. Baio is the one that interests me right now, I believe he is available for loan, though I personally would like to see him get a run out in central midfield. I think he could be the grit we lack in there. Suso looks likely to return in the summer and play for us, but it is a long way off. We have a strong crop, at each age group, some will have to go to make way for the younger ones.}

Ed regarding the strong crop. Any time you need to get rid of the more mature ones, Ill gladly take them off your hands.

{Ed002's Note - Just take the buds.}

The 11th commandment ed 2 thou shalt not waste leaf

And Ed, would you rather have Wisdom in that right back position rather than Johnson?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

08 Jan 2014 19:53:34
To EDs, or anyone that knows, how has Borini been doing? I don't mean purely in goals and assists but does he look like a constant threat, has he been consistent, has he been playing up top or just off on the left. I haven't had chance to watch him play for Sunderland and i'm, interested. Cheers

I`ve seen a few of his games and he is quite nifty. His work rate, desire and movement off the ball are excellent and he has a devastating finish in him. He just needs game time and confidence IMO.

09 Jan 2014 13:39:46
When I see him play, he impressed me.
I thought he was the best player on the pitch in the half he played whilst Ill.
It must say that either Poyet rates him enough to assign him penaltys in a cup semi, or that he's got the confidence in his own ability to take the onus upon himself. Either way it bodes well. His teammates must trust him.
I think he's been unlucky. What he needed was a real run of games, hopefully under Poyet he can nail down a place in the 11 and really find some form.
If love Borini to really find his feet, score a few goals and come back a better player. I'm really rooting for him,

08 Jan 2014 19:10:36
Eds fellow reds, it seems that no one wants to make the first move in this transfer window .do you think that it could be a snowball window as soon as one move takes place everyone else will follow? Or is it blind mans bluff no one really wants to spend any money so there waiting to see what each other will do before spending .

West Ham and Fulham already struck mate, surely this is affecting our transfer strategy already ;>

08 Jan 2014 18:17:37
Just read a report that says Enrique will start training next week and is in contention for the villa game! Looks like we'll be fighting fit with hopefully a quality signing for the Everton game!

08 Jan 2014 18:14:41
I'd just like to say fair play to Thomas Hitzlsperger who has just come out and admitted he's gay. Not many people have the balls to admit it, which is a real problem these days. People shouldn't have to worry about admitting there gay, in fact it shouldn't even have to be "admitted". But in this day and age, under the circumstances and abuse some sick people shout, I have huge respect for him. People shouldn't have to worry about being gay, it should just be accepted, as it doesn't make him/her any different from the rest of us. Yeah but as I say, unfortunately there is people that say sick things, and hopefully this is the start of some movement. I am not gay, but I treat people who are the exact same way as I'd treat anyone else. Hopefully this is the foundations to push on and make homosexuality accepted, and I'm behind them 100%. Yeah so I'd just like to congratulate Thomas, it takes courage to do something like that, and he has that in abundance. Great player too!
Cheers,

Spot on ROI, agree with everything you said.

Ah, ROI. You were going along so well until those last 3 words. Average I would say.

I don't think "I'm behind them 100%" was the correct choice of words in this situation ;-)
. but good post ROI, absolutely agree with what you said there mate.

Red Rum

Spot on mate, although I think at least half of the problem, at least in the English game, is with the players (the straight ones). The level of education and tolerance on such issues is shockingly poor. Whereas the fans at least the vast majority in this day and age are quite tolerant.

Well said

Have to say Rover, 52 international caps for Germany begs to differ! I said great player because I feel he was very underrated. Not the flashiest player but he got the job done!

Red-Rum your on the edge there mate! Good joke though I must say haha. I know its only banter mate but when it gets more aggressive and it's actually said with intent then it can get ugly. But don't worry I know you didn't mean it as an offense to people who are gay haha.

Yeah Mikey I agree, players are big offenders at times too. Fans of opposition teams can be very offensive, and when they are using it as an insult it's just disgusting!

One thing I have to say is people these days (and I'm not going to lie I'm no exception) become so unknown to what there saying, that they unknowingly offend gay people on a regular basis. I mean "awh that's gay" and things like that, although mean nothing to most of us, can be very offensive. Just simply the fact that the word "gay" is being used in a negative light can be offensive. I'm not going to lie, I've been a regular offender, and I was wrong even if I didn't say it with intent. Even if I am only turned 18, I have a strong opinion on this matter, because not only is it harming the football image, but its harming the image of innocent people that may not even be involved in the offense.

So yeah, hopefully Hitzlsperger coming out will trigger a few more, and make being gay acceptable.
Cheers,

Indeed.

It's a sad state of affairs that as the 21st century is all new that people/players still feel the need to bottle-up certain feelings and emotions.

It will get better - but only when the bigots and narrow minded egg-heads grow up.

Unfortunately, judging by many of the helms who walk through the turnstiles, things may take a little longer than anticipated.

In the words of the great Charles Barkley (NBA Legend), "I`d rather have a gay guy who can play rather than a straight guy who can`t"

There sexuality is there business in fairness and if they think its best to keep it secret in such an adrenaline/testosterome fuelled business we should support that also.the players are afforded very little privacy as it is.i don't think coming out as homosexual while playing will help them in any way.just my opinion

@Jimlahey

It isn't that they think its best kept secret - its that they think they have no other option except secrecy. In 2014 that is a sorry state of affairs and it must change.

Agreed seano your right but its tuf they would be abused, not fair but a fact none the less

I'd just like to put in here. I don't think the footballers are particularly to blame for the fear. Several footballers who have talked on the issue, D Dublin R savage etc, have said when they spent time at clubs, there were players who admitted they were gay to their colleagues but it never went out the dressing room. I think it's the fear of the fans/media more than what players would do. Dublin and Savage made it quite clear the players in these dressing rooms had no problem with the sexual orientation.

Racism in football has been tackled and is much better (though still far from perfect) than it was 20 years ago and a similar sort of approach is needed to homosexuality. If fans abuse players for it immediate life ban from all stadia - that'd be a good start.

08 Jan 2014 17:31:17
How do you weigh up the chances of Aly Cissokho's loan move becoming permanent in the summer eds? Are you aware of how committed we are to paying the fee we initially agreed with Valencia? Many thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that any more.}

Please elaborate Ed002

{Ed002's Note - There is no need to elaborate, it is a loan or a loan to buy.}

My choices would be Rakatic, hard working and a fantastic passer.
Salah, direct, pacey and an end product.
Montoya, highly rated can play full back and centre half.(would actually like Arbeloa back as he was a fantastic full back and could ably cover both full back positions).

08 Jan 2014 16:58:08
eds jw if we are infact interested in signing morata do you think if there is more than 1 team in for him do you think real Madrid would pick us over others because we have something they want

{Ed002's Note - Not without some agreement.}

Involving suarez

08 Jan 2014 15:13:43
What is going on with salah. player apparently wants to come we want him? Why are we letting other teams to get involved. We need this deal wrapped up by friday or we will have missed out. YNWA

If we miss out then we go after targets

Liverpool are giving out a reputation that they will not pay more than their evaluation for any player. I think this is a great move in general. I'd also rather see Stirling developing with first team football than paying over the odds for a player unproven in the prem. Salah might be worth around 9mil but not more than that on his record. If other clubs wish to GAMBLE their money on players that's up to them.
Lets stick to our evaluation, stick to our guns, is he in or out?

Ok fair enough. but I would still like to see him or a good 1st team player added to the team before the villa game as i'm headed over to it! Come on brendan get the check book out lol

See you there pal going over meself 3-1 Liverpool if this happens we'll win the league (if you believe in superstitious)

Just a few names for you Ramirez, Lamela, Errikson, saha, cissoko, Willian just some of the players the people on here have recently craved for, and none are any better than what we have got. As soon as a name is put out there we go into hysteria, is Salah any good? who knows, you will only be sure when they put on the jersey, so I say let the people in the know o their business and support who ever they bring in.

Good post, Evered. People were craving for all these players at inflated prices. How are they all doing? Nada! I wouldn`t touch any of them and some of them can`t even get off the bench (Willian, Gaston Ramirez, Lamela, Sigurdsson, Dempsey etc.). Those are quite a lot of bullets to dodge, right? This is why none of these "experts" are on the club`s scouting dept and long may it continue. YNWA!

Redohio, Willian has done pretty well for Chelsea, he's often their drive going forward along with hazard, I didn't rate him that highly but he's coming along nicely in the BPL.Ramirez is doing OK at southampton who have had a slump over December.(lamela I'd never watched so won't comment) Dempsey was played in COMPLETELY the wrong position at spurs which is AVB's fault. Sigurdsson does OK at Spurs when he plays.

Rmemeber how joe allen warmed the bench quite often over the last calender year. Now people are saying he should start ahead of Gerrard.

Bob, I've got to disagree with you on Willian mate. He may yet come good, but Chelsea fans are extremely frustrated by his performances so far. One of my mates is a Chelsea season ticket holder and managed to smuggle me in to the Chelsea Liverpool game just after Xmas.

Apart from it being really frustrating sitting with the wrong supporters (so hard not to cheer Srktel and so hard not to shout encouragement at the end!), it was hilarious that every time Willian got the ball, the collective shout from the Chelsea faithful was "just don't lose the ball!!".

It quietened down during the game, and I'm afraid to say that that game was probably a turning point for Willian as he did show a lot of class and spirit which had been largely lacking for the first half of the season.

Z

08 Jan 2014 12:40:52
Ed 1, what are your thoughts on Henderson this year? personally I think he has massively improved and is a key part of the team, not being from Liverpool I am friends with mostly nonreds who keep telling me he's rubbish but they don't watch the games enough to know and in my opinion just go by the form he showed in his first season.

{Ed001's Note - he has improved massively this season, his confidence is up and he is playing well. He just needs to add goals to his game now. I like Hendo's work rate and bursts into the box, just want him to score more, as he is getting in good positions. He reminds me a lot of Ray Houghton.}

The only thing Hendo needs is more confidence in front of goal. If you compare him to Coutinho, coutinho will shoot from out side the box, will try to take on 5 players, he thinks he's a Maradonna, but I do like this in him somehow, the confidence inside the young lad. If Coutinho could tone this down a little and Hendo could get a little bit more of this up this in his game (more agression in front of goal) I think we'll really improve as a team.

Yeah that finish against hull were he missed would have done him the world a good I am glad he proved me wrong his attitude is what everyone should follow

CM is the hardest position to play on the pitch. He came in at 21 and anyone who expected him to boss the midfield at that age is unrealistic. He is developing into a top quality player and hopefully he stays with us long term. Its a shame Brendan took 6 months to work that out and persisted with Allen, who I maintain is not good enough for our club

Go, I don`t agree with one of your points. Joe Allen was one of our best players at the start of last season to the point of dominating Yaya Toure during the City game at Anfield and I think our player of the month. His form then dipped and he played w/ injury and had a rough end to the season. This year though in the absence of Gerrard, he along w/ Henderson were top class during the christmas period and with a bit more composure should have had 1 or two goals (in the Chelsea and City games where IMO, he was very good and solid and even got forward to support the attack). To the point that some were saying we didn`t need Gerrard anymore. That`s saying a lot for someone who`s not good enough. This shows me that he has a lot of potential and just needs time and confidence and our patience. We slated Lucas and Hendo and now BR can`t do without them. Show some fith and support in him and he`ll come good.

Been impressed by Henderson, worked his arse off and is now a crucial player. Reminds me of Ronnie Whelan. That's as big a compliment as I can pay as he was a legend.

Where as some people do believe Allen is good enough. I'm certainly not one of them, too weak, too slow,, not composed enough in final 3rd and too few penetrating passes.

08 Jan 2014 14:03:20
Bad mistake at the back ruthlessly punished by the home side as it finishes 3-2. Cracking match as YNWA rings out from the crowd. Well done young reds

08 Jan 2014 13:50:37
What about getting Torres on a loan from Chelsea?
Yes, getting back with an ex girlfriend never works
out. But you know, old tricks always go down well.

Always goes down well? Who's your ex? Haha

08 Jan 2014 13:25:43
Alaster Redmayne with a cracking finish to put Liverpool 2-0 up

08 Jan 2014 12:32:19
Just want to congratulate Borini on his penalty last night. I've seen a few people (not many on here tbh) saying "it was only a penalty" but it was not. It was a decisive moment in a Semi final of a prestigious cup that will be the difference should Sunderland make it to the final in the second leg. As well as this, being a Liverpool player can you imagine the jokes and jibes that wuld be sweeping across the Manchester United fans and Media today? He had a lot of pressure as he stepped up to take that penalty. Although you wouldn't have known from his body language and how cooly he placed it into the top corner.

So well done Fabio, keep on gonig mate as the true Liverpool fans are still hopng you can come good and be a vital part of our squad for years to come.

Another thing, Moses seems to be getting a lot of stick around here recently. He is clearly in a bad stretch of form right now, and he doesn't seem to be trying very hard either, but he is not a bad player. He lacks confidence right now and the only way that is going to change is if he starts getting some support. Well we used to be the best in the world so what has changed? Until the summer, Moses is one of us, and he cannot be sent back so suck it up and support him. If you cannot critiscise constructively, bite your tongue.

YNWAdam

Moses is not one of us he is a chelsea player, he isn't lacking any confidence he is just a lazy player who thinks his talent is enough for him to suceed anywhere. if he is ready to work harder his performances will defintely improve

{Ed002's Note - Moses is registered to Liverpool as a player.}

08 Jan 2014 14:10:16
Wow, and people wonder why he doesn't want to try for us. He probably visited this site and can't be asked anymore. You don't become a bad player overnight. It doesn't help that we don't play in a style that suits him. He is a very direct player and Rodgers obviously thought he could teach him when and when not to be direct. Give him a chance for god sake. He's barely played and when he has its 80% of the time been out of position covering for the crippled Coutinho.

YNWAdam

Moses attitude has been poor from the get go - he's playing for Liverpool and being paid astoundingly well for doing so. He has not showed any sort of desire, commitment, passion, work ethic since joining the club and you expect fans to just let that slide? Sorry but there are certain expectations fans have - if you're simply not good enough then fair enough as long as you give everything you have whilst representing our club on the pitch we as fans cannot ask for any more. Moses isn't giving anywhere near his all for the team and is rightly be criticised for it. He cannot expect to just cruise through games without any sort of willingness to work hard or run about - every other player, regardless of form or talent, has done that this season: Moses hasn't and it isn't good enough. I understand fans defending players who are criticised unfairly but this is not one of those occasions - Moses isn't trying hard enough and he is being criticised - it is justifiable criticism.

Moses has been awful so far but its not like I want the lad to fail at Liverpool.
If he plays well and scores and creates goals then that benefits us.
I just want him and any other Liverpool players to realize that there is fierce competition for places and if you want to play then you have to bring your A-game. If not then you are not going to play. I am sure that Moses himself would admit to being out of form but we as a club should not pander to him. Its the other way round. He needs to show us why we would want to buy him in the summer( if we actually want to sign him that is).
The good thing about football is that 1 moment in a game can be the turning point for improved confidence and I hope Moses can find that moment if and when he gets the chance.
To be honest I do not know why we loaned him when we have Ibe and Assaidi but now he is here I hope he gets better in the second half of the season.

Moses has not been pulling his weight. Even when he loses the ball, he shows no desire or effort to track back which often leaves us vulnerable. His play reminds me a bit of Sahin who came here with the wrong attitude, telling BR where he thought he should be playing which was quite cocky of him. Hey, I want him to succeed because if he shines, lfc shines too. But he has to start busting his butt and show some commitment or he could be shipped back to the chavs sooner than expected.

08 Jan 2014 11:38:20
Ed2,
I have heard from a reliable source that you are close to a deal to loan dezmondo a dictionary until the summer . with an option to buy! ;)

So sorry Molbyslostgoal. I will make more effort.

Eds I so wish you posted my first reply, but undetstand why you didnt.

Keep up the good work, if only everybody used this sight for what it is meant for.

Site*.

Ah, I was only joking dezmondo, prob a bit harsh as I'm no einstein myself! Apologies! For the record I don't think we'll get Salah.

08 Jan 2014 08:59:41
Eds according to ITV and also Marca we have put a firm bid on the table for Morata if Madrid. I know neither are reliable but is there any substance or truth in this or more rubbish being made up?

{Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

08 Jan 2014 00:06:41
I have a question that I'm hoping you'll able to shed some light on?
I read on the Macca page that Liverpool are still trying to bring Alonso back to anfield but his perferd destination is London? I know your not in his head, but why would he pass up a opportunity to rejoin the team he loves so much for a London based club? Because I think this season we are in a great position than before to actually compete for top spot.
I don't think we should look back in Alonso. But wouldn't be disappointed if he came back. But really disappointed if he joined Chelsea or arsenal.
Random I know but curious.
Another question, do you think Liverpool are working on a signing that'll get us all excited?
And could push us better than what we already are?
I don't think we need a massive marquee signing but need to add depth. Sorry, I've been reading the site for years and I think you've got the knowledge. Sorry to be a pain.
Thanks in advance if this gets reposed.

{Ed002's Note - You would need to ask Macca how Liverpool are getting on with the return of Alonso. I really don't know what players would get you "excited".}

I can answer this. It's not the London club that attracts him, it's the chance to work with mourinho again. While at Madrid Jose was responsible for xabi staying when the club was looking to sell, they have a very good working relationship. I don't expect him to go to London though, or Liverpool. We had our chance two years ago when he was very willing to come. I seea move to USA or an extension as more likely

08 Jan 2014 09:17:41
Manchester united was once the goliath of English football. then along came David