Liverpool Banter Archive March 08 2015

08 Mar 2015 20:42:21
Understand that Liverpool are very unlikely to be looking at him, but I was wondering if anyone has been looking at Corentin Tolisso of Lyon?

{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages.}

08 Mar 2015 15:46:48
Hi Ed002. Now that Liverpool have got their finances completely in order, and have a good young manager who gets the best out of all his players, Do you expect them to invest heavily in the squad again this summer? As a fan I feel that lfc are certainly on the up swing and feel excited for the future. We're certainly in good hands!

{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously don't understand the finances of the club, the large amount of debt the club is carrying nor the FFP regulations.}

08 Mar 2015 18:30:46
Ed I know the net debt went up £12m does that mean our debt is around £120m now? And what percentage split is that with regards to who it's owed to, owners, banks etc?

{Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the detail as it confuses too many people but the total debt was in excess of £130M for the 2013/14 financial year that has just been reported. This year will start seeing that grow (as expected) because of work beginning on the stadium.}

08 Mar 2015 22:14:10
Good young manager ??????

The rose tinted fools have returned.

£120 million spent and our finances are in order ?

Have you seen the wage bill ??

What a weird post !

09 Mar 2015 04:28:37
What is up with you the op and other folk on this site, I myself have read to excellent replies from Ed002 today, one referring to FFP and the other to what Ed002 thinks the summer will bring. Both are very easy to understand and the one on FFP let's you know where the club stand now and in the near future!

So instead of you posting the same crap take a little time and read up and you will or should understand the currant situation our club is in. We Liverpool football club have not yet got our finances in order.

We might be moving in the right direction but with renovating our stadium amongst other things, it will take a few yrs for this great club to be in order of debt and FFP.
Us as fans will have to support our club and the owners who are doing a damn good job will sort the finances out am sure.

10 Mar 2015 02:52:03
Spot on, Knuckles!

08 Mar 2015 13:29:29
So I had some good news last night. Turns out, me and my dad are going on the Anfield tour,
Would be incredible to go and watch a match on the same weekend, and we can pretty much book the your when we like, so here's my question,

In terms of finding a couple of tickets, am I better off spending hours on hold to the ticket office, using a website or what?

Cheers reds!!

08 Mar 2015 20:47:32
Good luck with that mate. .

08 Mar 2015 12:03:57
Hi Eds,

Just out of curiosity, how do leaks come out regarding contract negotiations? As has been stated before it is common for it to happen, but surely something the club or player want getting out.

Thanks in advance,
Matt

{Ed002's Note - Agents, representatives, sometimes players.}

08 Mar 2015 10:57:23
Eds

Do you think both Hendo and Sterling will sign contracts?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

08 Mar 2015 11:37:33
Hope the both stay but which one do you think would be a bigger lose to the club? Personally think hendo is more important to the team - though sterlings a great player with great versatility

{Ed001's Note - they play different roles, we need to keep hold of both if we are to progress.}

08 Mar 2015 10:00:19
All players in football are overpaid however there's only growing trend now with younger players having one good season and demanding ridiculous money next season.
I hope we keep our best players at the club but if we give sterling a ridiculous contract in a seasonal where he has been submitted standard then others at the club will think why not. Look at the rooney situation. Ridiculous wages he doesn't warrant which has attracted players such as falcoa and di Maria to the club who have been poor but paid significant wages.
Hendersons had a few great games and suddenly there's a contract situation. The club should should not be held to ransom

08 Mar 2015 10:15:09
Auto correction has gone to town and back

08 Mar 2015 12:00:35
Footballers are over-paid? How so? Very very few professional footballers make it to the Premier League and even less stay there for very long. The money is there, it exists and it isn't going to go anywhere except into somebody's pockets somewhere along the line. If it wasn't paid out in wages to players then it would probably end up in the pockets of the (even richer) club owners.

Top flight professional football is part of the entertainments industry. Top film stars and rock stars earn considerably more. At the end of the day the wages reflect consumer demand for the product.

08 Mar 2015 15:21:23
Money in football is insane, but I think that a lot of footballers justify their wage.

Given they're the ones that do the business on the field which leads to the clubs making money, it's only fair.

09 Mar 2015 03:36:32
This is hilarious!

Red Rum

09 Mar 2015 08:09:51
Surely the responsibility is on clubs to judge whether players are having a purple patch when they start negotiating salaries or when they are the real deal, and offer new salaries accordingly - not the player to admit they aren't that good and ask for a lower wage?

And come to that - most 'contract situations' are because players are running very close to the end of their contracts, less than two years and sometimes less than 1 year. Not just because they've had a few good games

08 Mar 2015 06:03:44
Not Liverpool-related but I've been thinking about how ed001 said that Gerrard held too much power over Liverpool. However, in my opinion, individuals having too much power in a club is an unfortunate symptom for many of the biggest clubs, not just Gerrard with Liverpool. For example, Messi with Barca, Rooney with United, Totti and De Rossi with Roma, Ronaldo with Real, Yaya with City, Thiago Silva with PSG (I don't think anyone can still bring themselves to believe that PSG paid a world-record fee for a defender for David Luiz). Although the above players might not really have as much as power as it seems, it does seem like those clubs do everything to cater to their needs, and it is worrying when players seem to hold the most power in the dressing room when it should be the manager/head coach who should be in control. Thoughts?

08 Mar 2015 08:39:11
That's life. Whoever you are dependent most on has the most power on you. What the powerful individual does with it is up to them and the club has to decide how much they are willing to take or risk the consequences of them going. Messi alone brought Barcelona more trophies and fans over the world and income than probably hunderdes of players before him combined. It is the same as in any business. If you have a company with one worker who is the only one who can make their product work and sell millions of it, no one will say a word if he comes to work at 12;00 and go home at 15:00. I don't see huge issues if it is the players rather than the managers who have more power as long as it works for the club and for Barcelona it seems to work. If the players use their power to abuse someone weak in the club (man or woman) and this goes unnotice becuase of their power than it is a problem. If it is the manager than who cares. If Messi is willing come to Liverpool and demands his father becomes the manager that is ok with me.

{Ed001's Note - so you don't think it is a problem when it is Messi that has driven quality players like Alexis Sanchez out of the club? Also that his power came and the club stopped winning everything? It is a team game and you need the team to work together, which means you can't have one player having more power than the rest and still expect it to work well in the long term.}

08 Mar 2015 09:09:27
When a player starts to get too much power it's time to get rid. Fergie did it with keane, beckham, Ronaldo etc and was still successful.

08 Mar 2015 10:29:19
The reason Sanchez was "driven out " was because he was never going to replace Messi in the team, and they replaced him with Suarez who is by far a better player

{Ed002's Note - Suarez may soon be sacrificed by Barcelona as they will find it very difficult to sell Messi as they look for funds to start rebuilding.}

08 Mar 2015 12:11:05
Do u know of the interested clubs who want and can afford Suarez Ed002? Would be gutted if he played for another BPL club than LFC. Hopefully Bayern, Atletico or PSG will snap him up before Chelsea or City try something ambitious.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any clubs interested at this time - many wouldn't touch him given that any further misbehaviour could result in a very significant ban. The suspicion remains that interest from Arsenal could be rekindled. It is also thought that the player could dig his heels in and stay at Barcelona - who I think would be happy to let him stay but they do need to raise money.}

09 Mar 2015 08:14:26
Of course it's a problem that a player has more control than the manager but then it's part of the managers job to keep/regain the control without damaging the job. Managers are not innately talented at football or extremely physically able people (or at least there is no need for them to be). They are given the wages and positions they are in to make sure the club keeps winning and if they can't win and pander to the player, then they need to do something about it. If they can't, then at best you can say they weren't right for the club at that time.

08 Mar 2015 01:20:26
Just heared Henderson rejected €80,000 a week deal. Is that true?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know but the kid is going through a transitional change from boy to man. Taking boxing lessons, shaving, all sorts of stuff.}

08 Mar 2015 09:37:31
I applauded his new tough guy act, but he doesn't need to aim it at the club. He could be playing next to lee catermole fighting relegation, or even at fulham in the championship. Needs to reel his neck in and thank the club for giving him opportunities and time.

{Ed001's Note - except that the club wanted him out and he stood his ground and fought for his place, so why should he thanks the club for that? He did it.}

08 Mar 2015 09:38:12
Probably just asking for more money, if he sees himself as captain material, and is influencing games more, he reckons he can get it. Which arguably he can.

08 Mar 2015 09:53:14
If the club really wanted rid they could have. i'm not ignorant enough to deny his desire and dedication to improve himself. But i think for someone of his age, at his level, 80k is more than enough.

08 Mar 2015 11:11:58
Not if it's in Euro's! He's also started wearing deodrant i see

08 Mar 2015 11:22:16
If Coutinho is on around 70k a week, then there is no way Hendo or Sterling should be offered better deals than him. The club should tell these two to improve even more in the next couple of seasons if they want 100k a week or more. Too many English players think they have made it before winning anything meaningful.

08 Mar 2015 19:49:06
It isn't about how much one player is paid in relation to another, you organise a contract based on a players bargaining power usually. it just so happens that we've let Henderson and Sterling run their deals close and they know and should be expected to fully leverage their position against the club in order to get a bigger salary or leave the club and get another large contract and a signing on fee.

The fact Coutinho signed a contract where he is now paid 70k (I don't even know is this is true) has no bearing on Hendersons position or Sterlings. Either player knows they can get more out of a new contract than they are being offered (I assume).

09 Mar 2015 10:43:45
I like the fact we are trying to pay players what they are worth and not much more than that.
There will always be negotiation but at least the club are trying not to be a soft touch.
It is good to see.