Liverpool Banter Archive October 08 2010
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08 Oct 2010 23:23:24
You gobs* ts on here are all worse than the LFC hateing media. There is NO question of a 9 points penalty & no question of administration for FS stop talking s* t. Purlsow has told you all that. The scumbag media love all this "crisis" s* t on a day when scumbag utd lost 83million an not a word about it. Log on to liverpool- kop website as that fella is the only one I've every heard talking sense about the situation. I sure Tony Evans will be looking fwd to Hicks winning his case next week(which he probably will) so he can continue with this doom & gloom crisis anti Liverpool communist rubbish
08 Oct 2010 23:22:10
I think it will work out. Just a feeling from a life long red. No one really knows what will happen or how the master plan will turn out. . . but sometimes it just feels ok. I believe that those looking after out interests this time really care. No rumours. Just love for the Kop. YNWA.
08 Oct 2010 22:47:09
If the new board would like a Liverpool member on the new board of control then I believe it would be best going to the head of the Sons Of Shankly.
Scouse Pride
As much as it would be nice to have a fan on the board why would it be anyone from SOS? Is this not the group that has recently released a statement stating how disappointed they are that there has been no dialogue with the potential owners, this only months after burning an American flag outside anfield which was quite disgraceful. SOS have acted in poor taste on numerous occasions over the last few years with their propoganda & lies. {ed's note - not just that, SOS have also failed to show any kind of ability to be cool, calm and collected and that is what is needed on the board.}
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The guy i would seriously consider to represent the fans on the board would be John Aldridge.
I think he's a member of SOS/ Share Liverpool and for me relate's better to the fans than anyone i can think of.
I think he would be perfect what you think ED?
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's Note: It depends what the remit of this person would be.}
08 Oct 2010 22:47:05
I think we are all going to have to accept something here - if it takes going in to Administration and sustaining the 9 point penalty to rid ourselves of H&G then so be it, it's worth it. What we don't want is RBS delaying doing it if it comes to it and personally I think Mr Broughton will not hesitate and I think that is why he is so confident.
RED LENIN
08 Oct 2010 22:37:35
It seems that Boughton's laywers are using the threat of administration/ 9 points deduction in their advantage.
All the story's today about the 9 point deduction seems to have leeked from the Broughton/ RBS camp.
Like i said earlier i don't think we will lose 9 points. We can't even win 9 points never mind lose them.
Blair Mayne YNWA
08 Oct 2010 22:32:53
Maybe hicks has secured a payday loan at wonga.com? i suspect that losing to blackpool (whom they sponser) was part of the deal. that's the only reason i can think of that we lost.
Pure magic chum, with humour like that, how can we lose. As Broughton said, 'Keep the faith'. All of a sudden, the dignity and the humour is returning to L4.
Maybe its time to revive the old battle-cry, 'The Reds are coming up the hill boys!'
The Purple Helmet
08 Oct 2010 21:49:08
From what i can understand about John Henry, he is a harder noised business man than Tom Hicks, he will get every penny out of the fans pocket. So won't build a new stadium, but increase the prices on seats and food inside the stadium. He won't have a problem selling Torres + Gerrard if it makes him good profit and will buy cheap young players. He will introduce a lower salary cap for the players and make everyone work more with less and use stats to help him get best value for money. Hes also good at milking the media side of the business and tv deals, shirt deals for maxium profits. So im guesin player like Honda will be his first purchase.
08 Oct 2010 21:36:57
John W. Henry, the veteran US hedge fund manager and sports team owner poised to buy Liverpool football club. On October 2004 he bought Boston Red Sox. Red Sox r now established as a dominant franchise. Can Mr Henry do the same with lfc. Can the methods that worked in Boston possibly transfer to Liverpool.
Fans need to understand that he is a very unusual sports manager, and that his success derives from the formula that made him money in the markets. Stats man, numbers man.
John Henry brought up on a farm in Arkansas, he discovered as a child a love for calculating baseball percentages stats. He never graduated uni. After spells as a rock musician and a blackjack player who was evicted from Las Vegas for counting cards, he put his statistical expertise to work on the family farm, figuring out ways to spot trends in the commodity markets.
In Feeding the Monster, a book on Mr Henry and the Red Sox, Mr Henry realised he needed a dispassionate system for playing the markets, and could not rely on instincts. He spent two years analysing trends and then in 1981, at the age of 31, launched a managed futures hedge fund. In doing so, he was a pioneer and became one of the field's most successful practitioners. Having risen to riches with his love of baseball statistics, he then set about using his money to buy a baseball team.
Why might he try a new sport? Some similarities between the two teams are obvious. Liverpool in 2010, like the Red Sox when Mr Henry bought them in 2002, comes with an impassioned fan base and an illustrious history. It faces confusion over what to do about its ageing stadium. Buying big name on the cheap.
The proposed sale is controversial. Just as in Boston, where Mr Henry gained the tag of carpetbagger after he surprisingly beat out various local bidders to win the Red Sox, some Liverpool fans are not inclined to give a second consecutive American owner the benefit of the doubt.
On the field, in a parallel with the Red Sox eight years ago, the team has its share of stars, but seems incapable of winning a title without new blood. Two months into the season they are near the bottom of the table.
In Boston, Mr Henry overcame similar problems by applying the approach of a futures manager to his management of the business assets and in the running of the team. The previous owners had had a plan to replace Fenway Park, the Red Sox' home, with a new stadium. But Mr Henry reasoned Fenway was an invaluable brand in its own right. John Updike, one of the Red Sox' many literary fans, described it as a "lyric little bandbox of a ballpark". It has many quirky features, notably the "Green Monster", a 37-foot green wall across left field. He also knew that building a new stadium is risky and costly. So he invested in Fenway. Fans do not mind being gouged if the club gives them a winning team to watch. Mr Henry's Red Sox turned themselves into the most expensive draw in baseball.
By 2008, the average Red Sox ticket cost $48.80, according to the consultancy Team Marketing Report. The next highest was $42.49 and the average was $25.40. A "fan cost index" measuring what a family might pay during a game, including refreshments, came to $320.71, almost double the average. Yet Fenway Park has been sold out since May 15 2003, a run of more than 600 games that is easily the longest in baseball history.
Given this experience, it would be no surprise if Mr Henry were to decide not to build a new stadium to replace Anfield, for decades arguably the most famous in English club football. On the field his new ownership philosophy led to bargains, such as David Ortiz. It meant paying top dollar for players the Red Sox thought they needed. It also involved price discipline. In 2003 Mr Henry pulled out of a blockbuster deal for Alex Rodriguez, the best-paid player in baseball. The Red Sox owner walked away because the price was too high, and did not blink when Mr Rodriguez went to the Yankees.
Applying this to England, Liverpool fans should assume that Mr Henry would not flinch even from selling Steven Gerrard if dispassionate analysis told him to do so. Could the model work in Liverpool? If Mr Henry found new ways to make money out of the Liverpool name, he would be allowed to keep it and reinvest. Premiership clubs do not share revenue, while big US sports teams are forced to do so. But he would have to compete with teams prepared to take losses on an economically irrational scale. Mr Henry's style of walking away if the price goes too high could be a handicap in the English game, where neither Manchester City nor Chelsea, both boasting owners far richer than him, show any sign of adopting such an approach.
This could be an insuperable obstacle. But if anyone can introduce clear-eyed rationality to English football, to say nothing of putting Liverpool back on their pedestal, it may be John Henry.
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2010.
08 Oct 2010 20:56:42
I don't think Hicks gives a dam if you turn up to his stadium or not. It could be empty for all he cares. Your the only one who cares about turning up at enfield. Hicks wants his 150mill back. If someone out their is willing to help him get it back some who if will suck that guy off. The man has no shame.
08 Oct 2010 20:51:26
Ok, so if these american idiots get the club. Their won't be money-money for players. But we where going to purchase a stiker correct. Will we be getting Clarlton Cole from West-ham. Im guessing we are still purchasing english players because of quota rules.
Also will our wage bill increase and loan players come back to the club to increase squad numbers. Mainly Hull defender, Aquilani and insusa I would like them back at the club. But if their is money in jan will we be getting a english/ quotaplayer wingers like d-duff. downing or Ashley young. Im guessing a-young is a long shot. matthew etherington might be an option, but he is gamblin addict.
08 Oct 2010 20:48:34
08 Oct 2010 20:36:14
Well their seems to be shift in goverment exports polices. They want us to sell things to the chinese. So why don't we sell lfc to china man. They have so much money floating around china at the moment, everyone is driving around in BMW's and Mercs. Designer clothe stores are stuggling to open enough stores to meet demand. Its boom time in china, and we should be getting that money invested back into lfc.
forget oil people, americans, china is market place for lfc's future. Shirt sales alone would pay for most of our transfers if the chiness started supporting us. American market is a waste of time for lfc.
They have american football, Baseball, NFL. Girls play scocer in america. Not enough blood for the average american. I can't see americans adding anything to the brand. All americans are good for is taking advantage of english clubs.
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India wouldn't be bad either but knowing our luck at the momment we'll porbably end up with a consortium from Iran and North Korea.
They would still be better than H&G!
Blair Mayne YNWA
08 Oct 2010 20:47:19
Thanks ED Regarding the Petition I am sure you will do a great job and so we can show our support, you never know it may be the straw that broke the camels back or Hicks back hopefully. I would be a great start if we had all the season ticket holders, some famous people and ex pros to sign it. YNWA
Thanks Again
Evered
I think its about time we started to support the new American bid. We should all sign up to a patition stating a boycott on all home games if Hicks wins his court case. This should be sent to the court prior to the case of Liverpool fc vs Hicks. This will show firstly our mass support for the takeover and secondly underline that there will be no money from home games to help repay the massive debt he has amassed. What do you Think ED {ed's note - I will be glad when it is all over and Hicks is gone.}
08 Oct 2010 20:43:45
How many wealthy friends does a man like Hicks have left? has hicks gotten to the end of his little black book and now is worried. is hicks going to end up bankrupt after this. If he already lost his NFL, NHL and now LFC club. will we see hicks on a park-bench with tennents super saying i use to own that building.
08 Oct 2010 20:37:29
Reset the whole team including the manager, bring in fresh air, new motivation into the whole team. 1st change manager, most suitable candidate:
1. kenny
2.guus hidink
change or rest them until e end of e season, see how things work around, no improvement sell them.
for january:
buy players
rb: philip lahm 10mil
lb: taiwo 7-9mil
rw: mata 10mil plus babel
lw: ashley young/ elia 25mil/ 12mil
dmf: lassana diarra (prefered)/ s. muntari (12mil/ 8 mil) (or lucas plus 2 mil for muntari)
striker: forlan 15mil
new team
reina
lahm skertel agger taiwo
mata l.diarra gerrard young
honda
forlan
let torres get into shape, n then we will be unbeatable.
mayb just need to add in another cb then we r complete. mayb impossible to get all of them but atleast 3/ 4 will do for this short term. dear ed pls post this on rumours to see how many agree with this.
YNWA. . sunil
08 Oct 2010 20:36:14
Well their seems to be shift in goverment exports polices. They want us to sell things to the chinese. So why don't we sell lfc to china man. They have so much money floating around china at the moment, everyone is driving around in BMW's and Mercs. Designer clothe stores are stuggling to open enough stores to meet demand. Its boom time in china, and we should be getting that money invested back into lfc.
forget oil people, americans, china is market place for lfc's future. Shirt sales alone would pay for most of our transfers if the chiness started supporting us. American market is a waste of time for lfc.
They have american football, Baseball, NFL. Girls play scocer in america. Not enough blood for the average american. I can't see americans adding anything to the brand. All americans are good for is taking advantage of english clubs.
08 Oct 2010 19:47:29
Its not a done deal yet posting teams and signings is great but it can still go t* s up
08 Oct 2010 19:40:52
When did it become a individual game.Real Madrid tried buying the best players and trying to win everything, it doesn't always work. Liverpools successful years didn't always have the best individuals. We had a lot of good players, , a few great players and the odd average player that's a fact Anyone ever see Joey Jones play (Legend)yes footballer not a very good one.Sammy Lee average player, Nigel spackman, average.Alex lindsey, Gary Ablett , David Hodgson, all these players helped our club win trophies.They all played a part in a team, under the guidance of great manager and backroom staff.What i am trying to say is Lucas is no worse than Sammy Lee.He just hasnt got mcdermot and Souness next to him.We need to get continuity back not buying five players every season.
08 Oct 2010 19:17:50
Apologies to Roy( not rot)
08 Oct 2010 19:15:51
"I was just wondering how the premier league could sign off on their end of the takeover whilst there is an ongoing courtcase. Surely they would have reserved any formal sanctions such as this until everything was definate or are they just confirming NESV would be allowed ownership under F.A guidelines?
Adam red sox"
Adam , the PL only check if the proposed new owner comply with their criteria for ownership , and they typically do that before the formal takeover date.
So yes as you put it they just confirming NESV would be allowed ownership under F.A guidelines
The courtcase have nothing to do with how good the new owners are
Roy
Thanks for clearing that up Rot.
Adam red sox
08 Oct 2010 18:38:57
Reina
Cahill(15m) Agger
Kelly Taiwo(3m)
Diarra(11m)
Gerrard Aquilani
Turan(10m) Mata(15m)
Torres
Subs: Jones, Carragher, Wisdom, Cattermole(11m), Meireles, Cole, Pacheco, Suso, Aguero(23m), (*88m)
out: Johnson(20m) kuyt (10m), Poulsen(2m), Skrtel (8m), Lucas(9m), Kochesky(3m), Babel(10m), Ngog(6m) Itandje (1m), darby(1m), (*70m)
(net spend £18m)
my ideal squad. .maybe unrealistic!
WHY THE f*ck WOULD YOU WANT THAT SLOPPY PIECE OF MESS CATTERMOLE IN YOUR SQUAD? AND YOU THINK WE'D GET 20M FOR JOHNSON? LOOK AT THE MASCHERANO DEAL FOR AN EXAMPLE. .
We still got 20mill for mascherano. .2 million more than wat we paid for him. .i think we cud do the same with johnson! n cattermole wud be good back up for diarra. .jus need to kerb his indiscipline. .
08 Oct 2010 18:31:45
THERE IS A EASY JOB AHEAD.
OUT
Paul Konchesky not lfc standard 2mil
Fábio Aurélio not lfc standard 2mil
Maxi Rodríguez not lfc standard 3mil
Christian Poulsen not lfc standard 4mil
Dirk Kuyt time to sell 9mil
AQUA 10MIL
Sotirios Kyrgiakos 2MIL
Ryan Babel 8MIL
TOTAL 40MIL
INS JANUARI
SUAREZ 23years 24MIL
ELIA 22 YEARS 20MIL
LUIZ 21 YEARS 20MIL
MEXES NEXT FREE AGENT 4MIL
TOTAL 68MIL
NET SPEND 28MIL
REINA
JOHNSON MEXES AGGER LUIZ
KELLY CARRA SKRTEL AGGER
WILSON
MEIRELLES GERRARD
SHELVEY LUCAS
SUAREZ COLE ELIA
AMOO GERRARD COLE
PACHECHO PACHECHO
TORRES
SUAREZ
NGOG
NEXT SUMMER 1 DEFENDER AND WORLD CLASS HOLDING MID.
THAT WILL BE A SQUAD OF 28.
IN 2 TRANSFER WINDOWS THE COST WILL BE AROUND 60MIL, THE AGE OF THESE CLASS PLAYERS WILL SAFE US SPENDING IN THE FUTURE.
MAYBE 1 STAR AND 1 TALENT EVERY SUMMER.THIS COULD BE THE SQUAD THAT WILL MAKE US WIN THE LEAGUE.
THE NEW OWNERS NEED TO INVEST NOW IN YOUNG CLASS.SO WE CAN ENJOY WINNING, AND THEY CAN BUILD THE STADUIM.
08 Oct 2010 17:35:18
John Henry when he was a baby
Sittin on his Mammys knee,
Well he took that red-shirt in his little right hand,
Said one day I'm gonna own LFC, Lord Lord,
One day I'm gonna own LFC
08 Oct 2010 17:29:33
@bensmith_times
Lpool Echo reports London based NewYork law firm removed themselves from any association with Tom Hicks.
mmmmmmm any clue why? or is it a case of they know hes lost?
{Editor's Note: It could be any number of reasons and may not be related to the club. A conflict of interest, unpaid bills, anything...}
08 Oct 2010 17:19:52
I was just wondering how the premier league could sign off on their end of the takeover whilst there is an ongoing courtcase. Surely they would have reserved any formal sanctions such as this until everything was definate or are they just confirming NESV would be allowed ownership under F.A guidelines?
Adam red sox
08 Oct 2010 17:13:29
"08 Oct 2010 16:35:43
There's been a lot of rubbish spouted by a lot of fans of other teams, the bottom line on all the legal issues going on at the moment is as follows:
Court:
hicks is challenging whether broughton can legally sell the club. Hicks claims that he fired 2 of the board members (by fax) and replaced them and therefore they vote 4-1 against the sale. Broughton says they can't fire them and therefore hicks and gillett lose 3-2. The court will rule based on facts alone, Broughton introduced rules that only he can hire and fire from the board and that the owners will not frustrate a sale. The very rapid Verdict will be that broughton wins. In legal terms, this is so black and white that i expect the judge will express his irritation at hicks for wasting his time.
Administration:
If lfc were placed into administration they would not be docked any points. Premier league rules state that teams will be docked 9 points if they go into administration AND are insolvent (i.e. their liabilities exceed their assets). This is not the case with LFC as we are profitable and have assets (the club, the ground, the players etc.) that are worth far in excess of the sum of the liabilites (the loan and outstandin payments). There are no circumstances under which lfc will be docked any points.
Ownership:
Broughton has agreed a deal with nesv. The only thing that will stop this going through is that nesv pull out for an, as yet, unknown reason. Any higher offers will not be considered as it is not in the interest of the club and the majority of the board. Nesv will be the new owners
sorry if any of this spoils the fun for any mancs or bitter blues who have nothing better to do. lfc fans, don't be paranoid, just look at the facts
ynwa"
I would love what you say to be true, and i don;t want to sound like a doubting Thomas but there are a few other potential scenarios as i understand it (and i'm not claiming i do terribly well)
Court - as far as i know Broughton said he had assurances that the owners would not stifle any "reasonable" sale. This key term is open to interpretation and although i don't think Hicks will win, he has essentially bought himself a few more days to find a better offer and prove that Broughton and co have undervalued the club. If he does so he could argue that the board was negligent in its duty to shareholders as well as the club. However unlikely, this is still technically possible.
Administration - there are several factors linked to whether the powers that be choose to dock points. One of which you've mentioned, namely solvency, but the other is based around the link between holding company and asset. In West Ham's case the parent company had numerous other investments and thus it was deemed that the running of West Ham wasn't directly relatable to its insolvency, Unfortunately Kop Holdings and Liverpool are inextricably linked which muddies the waters a trifle. The saving grace is that the PL board are a bunch of money hungry morons who don't really care about the sport and as such will not want to see a key asset that helps sell the league around the world drop into a lower division.
Ownership - It's not strictly true that NESV will be the owners even if a better offer trumped them. If a higher bid was found, this would infinitely strengthen Hicks' argument that the board was negligent and undervalued the club, thus improving his case for having the board restructured. As such any new bid could in fact be accepted by the new board.
The funny thing is that right now we have to sit and pray that a better offer doesn't come along as anyone Hicks can find to make such a bid will likely be coming for all the wrong reasons, no matter what they pay up front for the club or how deep their pockets look on paper.
Luckily time is not on Hicks' side and if he hasn't managed to find a decent offer up to now he's unlikely to in the next week. Once you take into account the fact that most big businesses are paring down their assets that might lose money and that anyone getting into bed with Hicks will be dragging their names thorough the mud, i think it's extremely unlikely that he will be around much longer. In a strange way i almost feel sorry for Gillett - he wanted out ages ago but has been tied to a moron and lost huge amounts because of it. As the saying goes "Never a borrower or a lender be". ;)
08 Oct 2010 17:11:42
Once the loan matures all of the money is due and payable on that day. Without the proceeds from the asset (LFC) sale, Kop Holdings will be insolvent, as its liabilities are due and payable and it cannot meet them. In order to take ownership of the asset (LFC) at the Kop holdings level, RBS will need to enforce the security they have over that asset. As I understand it this is not achievable outside of administration.
Hopefully this will all be avoidable as RBS can waive the maturity pending a successful outcome for LFC in the courts.
If RBS do have to enforce their security and take ownership it is unclear how the Premier League will treat the club. A points deduction does appear to be a possibility, as it is difficult to argue that Kop Holdings has any other business interests other than LFC, so they could be deemed to be inextricably linked as was the case with Southampton.
08 Oct 2010 16:45:30
New verse to add to Fields of Anfield Road, If/ when Hicks loses. .
Outside of the High court. . I heard a Kopite Calling. .
Hicks you tried to take our club away. .
But now that you are gone. .
Our dreams can carry on.
and there'll be glory round the fields of Anfield Road!
El Diablo!
08 Oct 2010 16:43:31
If people are asking for a supporter to be on the new board, if it happens, i sincerely hope it aint someone who represents SOS or Were not English were scouse. Especially if we can be helped with funding from a successful 2018 England bid, hypocrisy in itself with the latter group, all 300 of them. And the flag burning connected with SOS along with their other outdated militant views. These people who are bidding stand for the complete opposite, all being successful business men with capitalist views.
08 Oct 2010 16:37:57
At the start of the week I heard from a contact with huge business links in Texas that Hicks is close to putting the finance together to both pay off RBS and buy out Gillett. I have spoken to him again and he still thinks that this is the case and that the details were not ready by the 6th (the trigger date for RBS to force the sale), but will be in place by the repayment date on the 15th. The board "sackings" have bought time and the High Court case will be irrelevant by next week. This will keep Hicks at the helm for the forseeable future.
Gillettes shares are not owned by him anymore. He lost them when he defaulted on his 73 mill loan payment. Paul
08 Oct 2010 16:16:40
Ed "Why have we never purchased the streets surrounding the ground?" The rest of Anfield is more or less derelict and boarded up, I'm sure with council approval to reinvest in the area this would be more financially viable than the Stanley Park Project. It would also be cheaper than relocating, but most importantly we wouldn't be leaving our stamping ground.
Scouse Pride {ed's note - under Moores that process was put on hold, if I remember rightly it was two elderly sisters holding up the purchase of one street. I don't know if we still own most of the properties and whether it would be possible to complete the purchases now. But it must surely be looked into, it could be the best solution of all.}
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I posted on here a while ago that I thought that given our financial position (even post sale) that redelopment of Anfield might be a better and cheaper option. We have 2 quality ends in the kop and cenenary stand (Ed, it was the Kemlyn Road develpment that was put on hold for years because of the 2 elderly sisters who lived at the anfield road end of the street) that are less than 20 years old and I'm pretty sure that the majority of the houses on Lothair Street behind the main stand are boarded up.
So I agree we should develop in a staged way - first with a new anny road end (I don't see why we can't arch it over the road. One of the stands at the Vicente Calderon in Madrid is built over a road called the Paseo Virgen Del Puerto so why can't we do that?
Anyway it could be pie in the sky if H&G have their way. Let's hope these parasites are gone in the not too distant future.
Scouser Tommy
08 Oct 2010 16:08:13
At the start of the week I heard from a contact with huge business links in Texas that Hicks is close to putting the finance together to both pay off RBS and buy out Gillett. I have spoken to him again and he still thinks that this is the case and that the details were not ready by the 6th (the trigger date for RBS to force the sale), but will be in place by the repayment date on the 15th. The board "sackings" have bought time and the High Court case will be irrelevant by next week. This will keep Hicks at the helm for the forseeable future.
08 Oct 2010 15:48:06
To the ed
So you'd rather us be in the conference league, than have the money of city. So ain't the point of supporting your team to see them be successful no matter what, we support them in their times of need and we will always support them no matter what. But to cut your nose off to spite your face is weird, remember football is evolving and things will happen that we won't like. I bet you teams in the conference will kill to have money like city, their ain't no teams with souls left. This ain't a disney fairytale, football has become murky.
Recoba
08 Oct 2010 15:27:28
LFC SQUAD FROM JAN ONWARDS. I WISH ANYWAY
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ REINA_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
KELLY_ _Shawcross_ _ AGGER_ KONCHESKY
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Sanchez_ _GERRARD_ _ Alonso_ _ _ Turan
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_ _ _ _ _TORRES_ _ _ Crouch_ _ _ _ _ _
GULACSI
SKRTEL
CARRAGHER
MEIRELES
PACHECO
AMOO
INCE
08 Oct 2010 15:27:05
08 Oct 2010 14:51:49
Why do all the negative posters never sign off with their name?
So these perspective new owners are not billionaires! I would rather have stabilty first and money later.
Money don't win things, it just attracts greedy footballers who only want the money and not to wear the shirt ( look to Man city for that).
Once we are stable and winning trophies and league titles again the best players will want to play for us to win things not the 100k pay packet. So ok we don't get Augero(spelling) this time round, but there will be another like him up the road at the right time, then we buy him. Players come and go, Liverpool fc stays around for ever.
So all you negative posters, put up your name or shut up!
Lee
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Sensible stable management of the club is the way to go forward making use of our youth system. All clubs will have to do it this way in the future with new UEFA rules coming. With stable foundations this club should run itself anyway. No more commercial profits paying off debt put on the club by H&G can only be a good thing.
08 Oct 2010 15:18:07
If the new board would like a Liverpool member on the new board of control then I believe it would be best going to the head of the Sons Of Shankly.
Scouse Pride
08 Oct 2010 15:16:48
Oops I think I owned up to the wrong billionaire comment mine was at 11.14am
Recoba
08 Oct 2010 15:12:38
Well said lee its appears that some people have had their head turned by the likes of man city and co and think that's the way every new owner should behave. liverpool is not a play thing its a club that is at the heart of many fans all around the world and i for one would like to see it built up properly again. we all remember the fool who built his house on sand
conj
08 Oct 2010 15:10:01
"Really enjoyed reading about the Mancs horrific losses on BBC!"
You're a tool. We're in the same boat and you gloat -I'm sick of the negative press we're getting and the glee with which our decline is being reported and it's down to idiots like you. Our club used to run & supported right - now we're a laughing stock - what goes around comes around.
Why would you wish this on anyone even if they are United? There's decent fans everywhere getting shafted, watching their clubs destroyed, it's not funny.
08 Oct 2010 15:08:01
In Response to:
Why do all the negative posters never sign off with their name?
So these perspective new owners are not billionaires! I would rather have stabilty first and money later.
Money don't win things, it just attracts greedy footballers who only want the money and not to wear the shirt ( look to Man city for that).
Once we are stable and winning trophies and league titles again the best players will want to play for us to win things not the 100k pay packet. So ok we don't get Augero(spelling) this time round, but there will be another like him up the road at the right time, then we buy him. Players come and go, Liverpool fc stays around for ever.
So all you negative posters, put up your name or shut up!
Lee
It was me who put the comment on billionaires up, so firstly how many players do you think we need to get a squad to challenge for the title and cups. Because I believe it will be 4-6 players and those players won't be cheap & do you really believe that NESV will be giving an open cheque book to sign these quality players e.g. a top striker will cost 18-20 million, so that's 1 player multiply that by 5 or 6. Now do you really believe they have that kind of money and will spend it on Liverpool, whereas billionaires could afford that amount. Do you really believe we can win the title, with konchesky, lucas, poulson, jovanavic, maxi to name a few and with roy. So major changes will be needed and that won't be cheap. Barcelona spend big, Chelsea spend big, Real Madrid, Inter spend big if we don't. We will be with the other teams who don't spend big . Recoba {ed's note - I would rather follow the team in the Conference than become like City.}
08 Oct 2010 15:06:39
I am so tired of the so called "fans" of this mighty club that is LFC.
You are the same people that continually give chavs crap due to their "sugar daddy". Now you complain that we did not get one?
You are the same people that continually give citeh crap due to their "sugar daddy". Now you complain that we did not get one.
I am tired of these same fans slagging off the prospective new owner NESV. The same bigots who have lumped every American business owner into the category of Hicks & Gillet. Have you done any research into NESV? Yes you say, and all you see is the raised the prices of seats at Fenway? Did you also notice a little blurb about taking a team that had not won in 86 years & winning with them? Did you notice that they took an iconic stadium & expanded it, keeping the "soul" of the Red Sox intact?Do you understand what "Red Sox nation" is? Have you asked even one American fan of this sports team what that means? I can tell you what it means - people who support the Red Sox live & die with & for them. Just like true supporters of LFC.
Yes I am an American, a supporter of LFC for the past 30 years, fortunate enough to have been to Anfield a handful of times (sorry to you bigots who thinks this does not qualify me a true red) & yes I am sad at the way a minority of you have handled yourselves in the past 18 months. Get behind the team, get behind the manager & give NESV a chance. And always remember YNWA
And just a bit more information - The Red Sox have $170 million payroll, which was second in MLB last year. NESV want to win. And for you uneducated people out there talking Sabermetrics, the value of a player has over 100 factors, not just price.
David (non-Red Sox supporter)
08 Oct 2010 15:03:36
"I would rather have stabilty first and money later."
I couldn't careless about him not being a billionaire, we've just got to get back to being run right and debt free. With no debt we would be making enough profit now to sign the right players - even Hicks & Gillett could have succeeded if they'd only paid for the club out-right with their own money. If we could have spent the interest money on players we'd be fine now. Just clear the debt.
Billionaires just push up the prices & the wages and turn the club into a circus. Look to Arsenal as a model (run like we used to be) not city.
08 Oct 2010 14:53:37
I hate Goal.com they are so biased they always h*cking have their comments against liverpool. i would request all my friends over here never to visit that site again. especially their fan page on FB.wat say Ed?
08 Oct 2010 14:51:49
Why do all the negative posters never sign off with their name?
So these perspective new owners are not billionaires! I would rather have stabilty first and money later.
Money don't win things, it just attracts greedy footballers who only want the money and not to wear the shirt ( look to Man city for that).
Once we are stable and winning trophies and league titles again the best players will want to play for us to win things not the 100k pay packet. So ok we don't get Augero(spelling) this time round, but there will be another like him up the road at the right time, then we buy him. Players come and go, Liverpool fc stays around for ever.
So all you negative posters, put up your name or shut up!
Lee
08 Oct 2010 14:51:34
Temasek holdings own Standard Chartered. . our shirt sponsors!
To the guy/ girl who wrote this.
I've just been onto their website and indeed they do own Standard Chartered. hhhmmm interesting.
08 Oct 2010 14:48:39
I have no doubt that Broughton and co will come out on top in this court case. Broughton has been involved in high profile business and is extremely shrewd. Theres no way he operates without understanding and knowing his limitations and power on a board so if he says Hicks gave written letters stating Broughton was the only person allowed to change the board then he is telling the truth. Hicks has been shown to be an extremely poor quality and desperate businessman, shown by a potential 140 million loss. Martin Broughton would not go on record as stating the facts around his appointment to the board and his roles and responsibilities if he wasnt 100% sure he was right so for those reasons i can't but be 100% sure that he, Purslow and Ayre will come out on top.
ired
08 Oct 2010 14:48:30
Dont mean to be Mr Doom . . but no one has mentioned the fact that H&G are billionaires and have huge amounts of "personal" wealth (LFC never saw any), if the situation arises where £140m could be lost by H&G and still to this day they both believe LFC is profitable, they may even pay off the RBS debt using personal wealth and re-sell the club at a later date . im not saying they would make profit, but in the long run they could make a lesser loss than they would now . ]
£140m loss is not something any businessmen would walk away with
08 Oct 2010 14:43:40
The fact is this . . Administration can only happen if Liverpool FC is found to be insolvent (more liabilities than assets), even if KOP Holdings is found to be to insolvent, LFC will not go into administration purely because the club itself (not parent company) is still solvent and profitable.
Ed if you can shed some light on this and correct me if i am wrong
(West Ham avoided administration because the parent company was an Icelandic Bank who was insolvent, whereas West Ham FC was solvent and viable for potential takeovers)
London Scouser
{Editor's Note: Further down the page I have provided a comment already.}
08 Oct 2010 14:17:44
Really enjoyed reading about the Mancs horrific losses on BBC!
Soon LFC's balance sheet will look like the Gunners' rather than that of the mancs (either)!
YNWA
08 Oct 2010 14:11:04
Quote off Gaudian Web Site
"The new owners are wealthy but not in the oligarch category and thus the answer is surely more debt and higher ticket prices. No details of how NESV are financing the bid have been given, meaning neither the current board, supporters nor the FA have any idea of the group's ability to make the required investment. At the Boston Red Sox's Fenway Park home, NESV's ownership has seen huge price rises and normal seats replaced with expanded corporate facilities."
08 Oct 2010 14:09:35
Guys, we all love this club, but we need a dose of reality here. At what point did it become OK for Lucas to be a Liverpool player? At what point did we start accepting ordinary players as Liverpool standard? Just because we have had players like Gerrard, Torres, Reina and Alonso, that seemed to make it OK that players in other positions could be mediocre, because the good payers were very good, and made up for the shortcomings of Kuyt, Carragher, Riera, Aurelio. I remember Dalglish signing David Speedie and thinking WTF!? He's no Liverpool player, but since then there has been a stream of players coming to the club that were not Liverpool players, and somehow, it's what we have come to expect. When Torres arrived, we could hardly believe it, someone who was Liverpool standard finally, and since then, back to the old mediocrity. Cole is the new Kewell, Jovanovic the new Riera, it's just a litany of ordinariness. and now the manager has the utter stupidity to say that our club is in a relegation battle?? Given that he has decided this after so few games, is it unfair for fans to have decided on his quality after so few games? I am utterly depressed, the new owners look like H&G mk2, except without 2 owners to fall out, but 17! We all fell for H&G and the reportage that surrounded them, now we are falling for it again. I look at Real Madrid and Barcelona, and it's hard to see how we can be that good again tbh. The ghost of Fiorentina looms. Make me feel better somebody. Bring back Xabi
08 Oct 2010 14:07:41
There is always the nuclear option if H&G do win legal battle next week AND manage to raise funding to hold off RBS. Season ticket holders should not renew, fans should not go through the gates, fans of the club, worldwide, should desist from buying lfc merchanidse. the net effect is that H&G investment would disappear. However it is a nuclear option, the team would suffer, players would be sold, and LFC might eventually become a conference team. Its a bit like biting your nose off to spite your face
Cheers Den Mac
08 Oct 2010 13:44:55
Ed, it's all well and good UEFA coming up with these ideas, yet the practicality of enforcing these rules are like a lot of the others before that have gone. Open to interpretation and bending. All Laws are bought in to close the stable door and prevent the horse from bolting and we all know that by the time this happens the stable is long since empty.
How the hell are Citeh going to turn around the current situation whereby their wage bill is £133M and their total annual turnover is £129M? Surely with inflation and further big name signings the wage bill will rise whilst the turnover will not be in any way shape or form in comparision for many years to come? And this is where you get the bending. Chelsea, the lucky bar stewards, are at least looking to run the business in conjunction with their turnover and not rely on Abramovich like they did early doors, so they've had the best of both worlds. Allowed to splash mega millions and when the rules come in to prevent any more they've ensured all they need to do is tick over nicely.
Bob the Red {ed's note - City have already said that there will be no more big money signings mate. They are now going to look at increasing revenue. I would guess that they are still expecting to get the casino built there despite the law backtracking that has been done. That would significantly increase the club's resources, it would give them a massive advantage in fact.}
08 Oct 2010 13:10:16
Just a quick post about the new financial restrictions coming into effect. Some people have said that there will be tight controls to avoid rule-bending, but match-day revenue is going to be taken into account, so what's stopping any of these mega rich owners doing up a corporate box or ten and selling them for a season for some ridiculous fee (£10m per box per season for example) and then making the purchase themselves via a 3rd party or other company.
All of a sudden there is £50m into the clubs coffers by the mega-rich owner and this money counts towards the total income and so increases money for players etc/ reduced the in-balance that will be a problem with the new financial restrictions.
This scenario can be extended so in effect the owner can put any amount of money into the club he wants without it being a problem.
On this basis, I don't think City, Chelsea or anyone is going to have any problems.
08 Oct 2010 13:00:10
Sack Roy bring in hiddink
Reina
Johnson skrtel agger heinze
gerrard defour meriles
Cole/ kuyt torres augero
Subs carra, mata turan henry on loan Defoe
08 Oct 2010 12:52:38
I totally agree Ed. And this is from a club who have a history of the fans being very sporting. I can remember in 1998 watching manure tear us apart for the best part of 90 mins only for us to claw a 2-2 draw with Ince, i think. The first goal of manure's was absolutely superb with Beckham, in his pomp, supplying a fantastic cross for Yorke or Cole to score. Our fans, well from around me anyway, applauded the goal. We have a history of doing this.
Yet nowadays we appear to be very quick to jump on our own players backs, perhaps the recent 18 months has become too much to bear. But i think it's prevalent in society in any case. No patience, quick fixes, immediate results etc.
Already a large proportion of the fans on here want a sugar daddy to come in and splash £100M in January on players! This is the expectation now. If these new owners come in and use the Arsenal model then a lot of our fans will shout and scream that we have sold our souls back to the devil. I doubt many will want to wait for a few good years of solid investment in the team and see gradual progress and certainly not give any thought to the fact we may be run like we should be run i.e. investment in proportion to our revenue.
People who think the current man city model is the one to go by are the fans who can't get excited unless they're big money, big name signings who will probvide instant success.
Football isn't like that and never should be like that. Let's just hope the new owners put us on an even keel and a level playing ground in relation to our competitors (except Citeh of course) on and off the pitch. We cannot moan about anything other than the jobs the players and manager do.
Arrr just like the good old days. It's all we ask for.
Bob the Red {ed's note - City will have to do the same if they ever want to compete in Europe, it is pointless even considering a sugar daddy.}
08 Oct 2010 12:44:19
08 Oct 2010 11:06:18
Ed alot of the of the houses off anfield ie;(tancred, coningsby, sybil streets)have recently been refurbished and re-let.So i can't see them being bought cheaply? Just thought id let you know. {ed's note - who owns them though? The club used to own a lot of them and they were let out because the club would lose ownership of them if they are not being used. If the 2018 bid is won the Government backing would enable us to buy up the surrounding area anyway, if the club decide on expanding Anfield rather than a new stadium.}
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I AM SURE MOST FANS WOULD FAVOUR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF ANFIELD ROUTE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO GAIN ATLEAST ANOTHER 20,000 SEATS ONTO OUR CAPACITY SOMEHOW. ANFIELD IS SO MUCH PART OF OUR HISTORY.
08 Oct 2010 12:37:17
With regards to liverpool FC potentially receiving a 9 point deduction on going into administration,
the Quote below from Dan Roans blog on BBC football seems to suggest this would not be the case:
" But there is no guarantee that this process will beat the 15 October deadline, when RBS could call in the debt and send Kop Holdings, the club's parent company, into administration.
Administration would not mean a nine-point deduction for Liverpool as the club itself remains solvent but it may delay and potentially scupper a swift change of ownership. NESV would need to remain patient."
WELL READ RED
08 Oct 2010 12:35:00
Beaking News on BBC
LFC could face 9 point deduction if the parent company Kop Holdings goes into adminsitration next week.
I thought we were safe from this!
{Editor's Note: It depends on what happens over the next 10 days, then on RBS and Wells Fargo handle matters - and then on the Premier League.}
08 Oct 2010 12:34:53
We need NEW PLAYER.
ELIA HSV LEFT WING 20MIL
SUAREZ AJAX RIGHT WING( CENTRAL)FORWARD 24MIL
LIUZ BENFICA LEFT CENTER DEF.20MIL
LUKUKU CENTER FORWARD12MIL
OUT 76MIL
REINA
KELLY CARRA AGGER LUIZ
SHELVEY GERRARD
SUAREZ COLE ELIA
TORRES
STRONG TEAM DANGER FROM ALL SIDES
BENCH LUKUKU JOHNSON, MEIRELLES, Martin Škrtel, Milan Jovanović, Danny Wilson, David N'Gog, Daniel Pacheco,
David Amoo, Jay Spearing
Sell poulsen, lucas, Rodríguez, Dirk Kuyt, Fábio Aurélio
Paul Konchesky, Stephen Darby, BABAL
IN 35MIL
SPEND 41MIL
THIS WHAT WE NEED IN JAN, IN SUMMER REPLACEMENT FOR CARRA(SORRY TO SAY SO)AND WORLD CLASS DEFENCE MID.BACK UP LEFT DEFENDER.
THIS IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, WE WILL BE WHERE WE BELONG LOOKING DOWN ON OTHER TEAMS
08 Oct 2010 12:32:38
If we get taken over by nesv theres only one thing they need to do to completely turn around everyone's despair. There is one magical player who has said several times he is red, and in my opinion the only thing that's stopped him coming to us is funds. The new owners will hopefully want a marquee signing and this guy's rejected monster club after monster club, in my opinion waiting for us to get our act together. If we have new owners this HAS to b the obvious move for them. U probably all know who im dreaming of. . . gareth bale! No sorry i thought id slip that one in as well but im actually clearly on about ken.30 mil should do it, and ur not gonna find anyone else for that money that will have the same impact in our only weak area. Not even 2 players. Duckula
08 Oct 2010 12:29:21
Totally agree with Ed(reguards Hicks losing case). .Martin Broughton has a fantastic 40 year career in business and is the current head of BA, this whole process has been done with due care and diligence and in the best intrest of our club. This should not have been about Broughton being a Chavksi fan, we should really have had more confidence in the man. His 40 year reputation was be on the line! As for cash rich owners has anyone actually seen the new UEFA rules reguarding income and expendture? Man City have only got a year or two to sort their finances out or they won't(should they qualify) be allowed in CL.
I do think though we need maybe 2/ 3 signings in Jan and i wouldn't rule out a move for Mario Gomes!
But i do think Roy has to go! Wrong time. place and all that. .he's just not a Liverpool man.!
My personal choice would be Louis Van Gaal. .top coach and proven winner in number of leagues and has mangaed expectations at Barca, Ajax & Bayern!
Rich
08 Oct 2010 12:22:33
Let's get
van der wiel for johnson
coentrao for aurelio
de zeeuw for poulsen and lucas
honda for jovanovic
arda for babel
sanchez for maxi
suarez for ngog
dzeko
ayala for skrtel
wilson for kygriakos
kelly for carra
get rid of sh1te like darby, itanje
give chance to pacheco, ince amoo eccleston if not loan them out to get english football experience
ed what do you think
singapore red {ed's note - bit harsh to lump Darby in there, he is not a bad player and has a great attitude to the game, I do agree he is not good enough for Liverpool though. You are talking about spending hundreds of millions on a major overhaul though, that would just leave us starting all over again. We only need to make a couple of changes and give a kid or two a chance. Stability is what we need, something we haven't had in a long time.}
08 Oct 2010 12:21:55
Lets face it, every EPL team is attacking us with pace and were so slow and square the back its working.Drop this holding midfield tatic throw the shackles off and attack ?At the moment were to predictable and easy to play against! It might just be what we need to wake us up.
08 Oct 2010 12:19:26
If anybody thinks these new owners will be any better then H&G there living in dreamland. All the yanks see is another cash cow for them to play with, there all the same they just look on us as another macdonalds. We should boycott matches till SHEIKH MPHAMMED comes in with his bid.
08 Oct 2010 11:56:14
QUOTE "{ed's note - I agree, there has been a fear of giving a player a chance that might have a bad game. How else are they meant to learn if they don't play and have the odd bad game?}
Sorry Ed, but listening to some of the fans on this banter site tells you why clubs no longer blood youth in the way they did years ago. They need to be more certain than ever before. It's not right i know but fans now will not allow any player to make a mistake period. They place too much pressure on the kids and kill them before they've had the chance to develop.
Personally after last season's performances from the players and now the first 10/ 11 games of this season, i feel the youngsters would be in a win/ win situation. We want to see youth because we are fed up with the levels of performances given by the 'experienced' players. Why Mavinga didn't play left back against a supposed easy team in Blackpool at home i'll never know. This would have been the perfect opportunity to blood. But no. We appear to have become stuck in a rut of relying on the 'experienced' pro's to dig us out of the hole we are in. Considering we now have a new manager playing the same way with the same players is extremely disappointing.
Bob the Red {ed's note - the only way to find out if a player can cope with the pressure from the fans is to give them a chance. Just like learning to swim - the fastest way is to be thrown in at the deep end. I do understand what you are saying about the fans, but it is about time the club worked to educate the fans on what to expect from the kids.}
08 Oct 2010 11:40:53
I see alot of people on here wishing that the club had been sold to some middle eastern oil tycoon who was willing to pump endless amounts of his own cash into our club. well i for one would not welcome such a person. I support liverpool because of what they represent and i feel proud to associate myself with them. having a "suger daddy" who was just playing real life fantasy football with our team for his own amusment would make me feel sick. it wouldn't be liverpool anymore and all of its values and tradition would be worth nothing if we were prepared to sell our soul for some short term success. I want to win the league more than anything else in this world but i'm prepared to wait until we accomplish that through hard work and sweat from the players who do it for the love of the club not the wages they pick up. maybe im out of touch with modern day football but i believe that there are still some clubs out there that have not sold there souls for a few shiney trinkets.
08 Oct 2010 11:24:56
Built by shanks
broken by yanks
eclipesed by mancs
from down the east lancs
playing like cranks
fell down the ranks
thanks alot. .you greedy yanks
08 Oct 2010 11:14:41
Just got to wonder, I know Broughton said that the club won't be leveraged. But that does not stop a scenario, like them taking out a loan in the U.S then using some of the working profit to pay it off. In my opinion, the Singapore billionaire root would of been better. As we need a huge injection into the team and as we only have some of the money from the working profit to buy players, it can't be the amount needed to buy the top players out there. Added to that we don't have the champions league money to work with and under Roy I can't see us getting into 4th position. May we live to regret choosing NESV.
08 Oct 2010 11:10:57
Theres one player out there that should still be an LFC player, Alonso!get him back as soon as possible, he is one hell of a good player.
08 Oct 2010 11:01:11
Player purchases will depend on your league posistion in jan, the higher you are up the league the better the player will want to join you, if you are still in the bottom six who would take the risk of joining, so its down to the current squad to get as high up the table as poss, then you are gonna sell some of them, what gauruntees of the standard of football can you give incoming players, (CL EL)that sort of thing, at the moment you do not look a good team to be joining, not if your a world class player, which is what you need, theres no dout LFC are a world famous club, but not a world class team.
08 Oct 2010 10:50:53
I believe in karma tom hicks karma will come in the form of a judge. Not just any judge a liverpool supporting judge could you imagine
08 Oct 2010 10:45:35
Yeah ed completely agree. I think our biggest problem over the years have been that we'd rather go with "experience" eg. Poulsen, lucas, kyrgiakos, skrtel, even carra, kuyt, jova, etc. than actual talent eg. Pacheco, ayala, wilson, shelvey, mavinga, kelly(just about falls into the catogery), amoo, sterling, etc.
Red bl00ded! {ed's note - I agree, there has been a fear of giving a player a chance that might have a bad game. How else are they meant to learn if they don't play and have the odd bad game?}
08 Oct 2010 10:42:12
Recommend to buy n sell
sell maxi, babel, aquilani, degen, kirgiakos, poulsen
buy owen, ashley young, adam johnson, bridge
marko marin, payet, kiessling, gomez, tony kroos
Why the h*ck would you want Owen back? We got the best days out of him before he went. We need to move forwards not backwards. We need a foil/ target man to partner Torres and a desent back up. Also 2 good wingers. Oh and get rid of the dead wood. You know who they are, their names are banded about on here enough. Your thoughts Ed?
{Editor's Note: I would have though a striker and one other in January and that will be about it.}
08 Oct 2010 10:32:29
Ed, dani ayala looks like the new carles puyol, if not better. You agree? Completely off topic but whatever. .
Red bl00ded! {ed's note - I think he is more of a Pique type. Very comfortable on the ball but not afraid to get stuck in and has a similar style about him. Why the hell we let him go out on loan and stuck with Kyrgiakos and Skrtel I will never know. Neither of those are good enough, whereas Ayala looks like the future of our defence.}
08 Oct 2010 10:21:43
We are getting the current Yanks out of the club and welcoming new Yanks into the club as owners? Gosh! isn't that ironic? What can the new Yanks possibly do for our beloved LFC? This is not MLB or hockey for goodness sake, it's soccer and we don't need owners who're just investing in the the club and not love the game and club in itself. Shouldn't we learn from our previous lesson? Where's all the other bidders? Face the facts, owning a football club has turn relatively expensive to stay at the top. Look at Chels* t and Manchit for goodness sake. They turned great over a shot period of time. Love or hate it, money turns the world around if your don't have love in the things you do. -KONAN
08 Oct 2010 09:50:07
All this speculation about Yanks 1 and Yanks 2 is going nowhere. RBS will pull the plug if the high court doesn't do it next week – they just want their money back.
Fans should concentrate turning the form round on the pitch – Woys set up of the team on the pitch is disgraceful, or have we all forgot the cr$p we've watched this season.
Woy u are the weakest link just go will you.
08 Oct 2010 09:42:19
Im thinking the best reason for player investment is age related, Gerrard, Carra, and any squad member over 28 may need replacing soon, large player investment now could reap benefits in the future, it will also give the new players a chance to understand the Liverpool way, and to settle in to take over from players like gerrard, (unfortunatly he won't last forever)player values will not go down, start planning our player replacements as soon as poss.Red Terry
08 Oct 2010 09:28:18
John Henry Blueprint for Liverpool Footbal Club Dominance
Summary - Liverpool Football Club - A Benchmark in UK and European Football
1.Remove Roy Hogson- Appoint King Kenny interim Manager for the Everton Game onward.
Roy Hodgson was not hire to put Liverpool in the Relegation Zone, even MArtin O'Neil is not made for Liverpool.
Rather be in top 4 by end of December 2010, than fighting relegation battle.
(Sorry Roy time up, alss Roy has not bought any youngster for LFC)
Liverpool need to win Europa this year and qualify for the Champion League
2011-2012- Appoint Riijkard, Hiddink, Van Gaal or CApello (Only the best will do)
2. Build a new Anfield - 85,000 seat starting 2011 early
Not:Current MANU operating profit is 100,000, 00 GBP by the time the new stadium is build MANU profit will be 200,000,000 GBP.
However MANU major concern is the debt.
The new stadium is imperative for Liverpool to have financial muscle, otherwise we will continue to play catch up.
3. Annual Transfer budget player -50 Million GBP 2 Star Player annually
The LFC Legend
08 Oct 2010 09:11:44
Can't believe I wrote Blackburn and not Blackpool, but I was there. Carra needs to go. The problem is fans are so loyal to the club they are blinkered to the problems, and one of our problems is that Carra has an almost non-existent first touch, another one is that Lucas seems incapable of passing a ball into another players stride, so we are checked going forward every time.
But Carra needs to go, don't shoot the messenger. Experience goes a long way, but whereas the first 5 yards are in your head, the next five have to be on the pitch, and he can't make it. I am surprised he kept playing after the West Ham game last season, that was time to retire. I don't have it in for the guy in particular, but hanging onto him just makes things more difficult, get another FOOTBALLER into centre half, not a last-minute stopper.
08 Oct 2010 09:06:24
Just heard an interview on TALKsport with financial Market Analyst David Buik. In his opinion the takeover will go ahead as Hicks & Gillett are in breach of their terms & conditions. Bottom line in RBS want their money back & new owners have the cash. . can't be anymore simple than that.
Gav the red
08 Oct 2010 09:04:08
Iverpool would be at risk of a nine-point deduction if the owners' holding company is put into administration, it has emerged. Initially it had been thought the Premier League would not penalise the club for Kop Holdings becoming insolvent, but now the threat of a points deduction has become a serious one. The Royal Bank of Scotland could put Kop Holdings, the company owned by Tom Hicks and George Gillett, into administration if the Americans continue to block a takeover by New England Sports Ventures and have not paid off their £280million debt to the bank by October 15. Under Premier League rules, the fact that the holding company is solely concerned with the ownership of Liverpool and football-related matters could trigger the nine-point penalty. An insider said: "It is not completely clear whether the nine-point penalty would come into play but it would be a risk." West Ham has been used as an example of why the Reds might escape a deduction if administration goes ahead when it was owned by Icelandic bank Straumur. However, the Hammers were a solvent part of a whole portfolio of different companies while Kop Holdings is solely concerned with Liverpool. Hicks and Gillett's legal action against the proposed takeover will begin in the High Court next week.
This means that with the fact Hodgson seems to have already lost the dressing room and the fact Torres doesn't look happy that there are interesting times ahead. Remember "new owners" not in place just yet
08 Oct 2010 09:01:34
John Henry build an Invicible Red Empire that will last an eternity
Equivalent of Saber Metric is Prozone
May be they will combine both system to optimize
Liverpool FC is already on prozone
We need the voice for a 85,000 seat -Non-Negotiable
SOS_Share Liverpool
MANU Operating Profit is 100,000,000
We need to be the benchmark of UK Soccer not to follow MANU or Chelsea
A New Coach- Riijkaard or Van Gaal or Hiddink
08 Oct 2010 08:59:44
Well ed jus thought I'd throw my team out there see wat you thought?It's the formation of the moment look at all top teams solid defense quick dangerous attackers? Come on woy let's start wit a derby win.
Reina
Kelly. Friedrich/ Ayala Agger/ carra Lopez
Banega gerrard meireles
Turan/ Pacheco Torres. Cole/ mata
I have seen Lopez in Europa league against us last year was very impressed, also seen banega against Ireland in friendly he plays with so much intelligence and wise head for a young guy, mata an turan have pace and skill a plenty. You could rotate konchesky, johno, kuyt, suso, Wilson
Robbie fowler is god
08 Oct 2010 08:56:03
Add Lucas to that sell list, he is worse than Poulsen who admittedly has been disappointing.
No point in buying Owen and City won't sell us A Johnson so forget those two.Someone wanted Micah Richards, same applies to him.
08 Oct 2010 08:51:58
Liverpool's Potential New Owners To Hold Talks With Steven Gerrard, Pepe Reina & Fernando Torres To Brief The Trio If The Proposed Takeover Reaches Fruition.
A boardroom battle followed with the controversial Americans trying to get rid of two of their board members in the hope of putting a stop to the process. But the matter of the sale is expected to be resolved in the High Court.
In the meantime, The Mirror reports that the potential new owners will make the retention of the club's stars as their top priority following a takeover, as one-to-one talks with Gerrard, Reina and Torres have been planned.
In light of the possible change in ownership of the Merseyside club, Spirit of Shankly - a Reds fangroup - spokesman James McKenna told Goal.com that it is "absolutely vital" that the prospective new owners speak to fans concerning their plans for the future.
And it is now claimed that the potential owners will not only speak to fans, but will also offer them representation on the board to voice their concerns.
wat say Ed don't you think other players will feel neglected?
{Editor's Note: I am sure that everyone will be spoken to. I think the article is probably conjecture anyway.}
08 Oct 2010 08:51:23
Just seen hicks and gillette busking outside lime street.how the mighty have fallen.
08 Oct 2010 08:30:30
Hey ed
you didn't put up my post on wednesday :-(
what i did wrong?
Or maybe it got lost somewhere in the world wide web, since i sent it from my blackberry and not my laptop.
Anyways - I know the hot topic right now is all about the impending court case. .
But lemme give my little opinion.
Im just gonna say 1 name. If LFC sign just 1 player in January, please let it be this man.
Alexis Sanchez - the Chilean winger. .
Fair enough, alota people gonna say, hold your horses, wait for the sale to go through.
I just wanted to put this name in there - as it hasnt been said on this site since the summer - i think - could be wrong - but i read pretty much everyday.
Also - i seem to remember someone saying hes a manure fan.
That would suck.
Faizal from South Africa
ynwa
08 Oct 2010 08:26:14
08 Oct 2010 07:32:57
Just seen ken aguero half cut outside the lobster pot wearing a red sox shirt and eating a kebab new signing ?
me too! and i took a picture. will upload it shortly
08 Oct 2010 08:14:01
You'll see in today's newspapers what I said the other day.
Redevelopment of anfield is not an option. Council will not allow them. That club has been the major part in the closing of local schools and the destruction of communities.
08 Oct 2010 08:04:12
Dear editor
hope you are doing well.
To the best of your knowledge, do you think that tom hicks is in a position to block the sale? And if that happens is there a 9 points on the cards?
Thanks.
{Editor's Note: I think he can probably delay it a short while. The points deduction will not happen.}
08 Oct 2010 07:32:57
Just seen ken aguero half cut outside the lobster pot wearing a red sox shirt and eating a kebab new signing ?
08 Oct 2010 07:03:31
Not a rumour just a statement NESV seem to know how to run a sporting franchise, and are good business men.I wouldn't mind them developing anfield as it truly is a special place as we all know. I hope they treat OUR club and us the fans with respect.And do things the liverpool way.
Also ED have you any idea what kind of funds Woy will get in jan? INS I would like to see Suarez come in 20mill? , maybe Shawcross? Mata? Diarra? Anyone of these would be a step in right direction
OUTS
Lucas
Kuyt while he still has some value
Johnson leaves us vulnerable
Jovanovic Rafa dud
I would like to see Martin Kelly and Pacheco get some more games too.
The future is bright, the future is errr red
08 Oct 2010 05:33:44
The way i see it we wouldn't need 50 mll to get both benega and mata. i believe we could get mata for 10-12m&babel, as for benega is he really that good im not sure but i wouldn't spend more than 13m as i don't think we need him oe i would go for defour, im a big fan of kevin davis but i doubt that torres would be happy with his signing and would see it as a step backwards, then he would most likely ask for a transfer, so why not just sell torres for 50-60m and go and get suarez and bent and llorente. for me this offers far better value for money as not only do we get a world clas player in suarez but we get a big aerial threat in llorente who is also technically very good and then theres bent proven in the prem and would thrive on the chances for us if he scores 20plus for sunderland wat would he get for us, all the talk being we need this that and other wat we really need is a massive overhaul, as not many players are good enough.
. . . . . . . . . . . REINA. . . . . . . . .
KELLY. . . . ?? . . . .AGGER. . ?? ? ?
. . . . . . . GERRARD. . . .MEIRELES. . .
?? ?? ?? ?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .?? ?? ? ?
. . . . . . . . TORRES. . ?? ?? ?
i think we need a LB, RB, CB, CB, RW, LW, STR, STR
heres who i would like
RB-arbeloa/ van der viel (either)
LB-taiwo/ gibbs (both)
CB-cahill/ friedriech (both)
RW-sanchez/ bentley (both)
LW-mata/ elija (both)
STR-llorente
STR-suarez
BUT HEY HERE WISHING WE WONT GET ANY OF THEM UNDER THE MISS GUIDANCE OF WOY
08 Oct 2010 04:58:13
The biggest problem i see is that americans just don't understand english football and have no understanding or love for the game. While these people see lfc as a future goldmine, kust as hicks did i fear for the club.
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And Arab Sheiks or Asian Billionnaires do understand English football?? ? - LIVERPRES
08 Oct 2010 03:25:03
Didn't Martin Broughton say that the aim is to get a bidder who is willing to commit to a 80,000 seated stadium, but now its 60,000?
08 Oct 2010 02:39:25
08 Oct 2010 00:58:53
Sabermetrics: wenger spends hours in front of his computer looking a player stats around the world. looking the next best thing through stat rates. nothing new.
I can see how sabermetrics could work in the future and in certain instances especially in drawing your attention to lesser known and youth players but Liverpool are in need of two to three players in the next window. We just need width in my view, someone to get to the by-line and put in a decent cross. Mereiles, kuyt & Cole just can't do it. I think two players mite be enough but somewhere in the region of 40million pounds must be spent.
Adam red sox
08 Oct 2010 01:53:09
John im being asked to go to the cinema and wotch a old 1970's movie with dilapidated building with incompetent staff serving me pop-corn. But im told well the new owners have paid off the mortage and they like nice smile. How can you expect me to be happy?
Two years before i was wotching lastest action-movies in the same cinema with great customer service and management, but told that brand new cinema was being build outside just for me. How would you want be to feel about them paying off their mortage today john.
Us the fans got nothing out of this but broken promises, yet in one way or another we support these monkeys. This lavish lifestyle within the club.
08 Oct 2010 01:45:10
In a perfect scenario the following players will leave.
Glen Johnson (10 mil)
Sotirios Kyrgiakos (2 mil)
Martin Skrtel (8 mil)
Lucas Leiva (8 mil)
Christian Poulsen (3 mil)
Maxi Rodriguez (6 mil)
Ryan Babel (10 mil)
One of Paul Konchesky (2 mil) or Fabio Aurelio (FREE)
Emiliano Insua (4 mil) and Alberto Aquilani (15 mil) will also leave.
So that is about 85 million pounds to spend, including the mascherano money. We need a center back, left back, a left winger, a striker, and a midfielder.
For left back, Fabio Coentrao is my choice at 15 mil.
For left wing, Arda Turan is my choice at 12 mil.
For striker, Luis Suarez is my choice at 25 mil.
For center back, I choose Gary Cahill at 15 mil.
For midfield, I choose Ever Banega at 12 mil.
So we would spend 79 million.
These youngsters need to play more now: Martin Kelly, Stephen Darby, Daniel Ayala, Danny Wilson, Jack Robinson, Chris Mavinga, Jonjo Shelvey, Jay Spearing, David Amoo and Daniel Pacheco. Martin Kelly should be 1st-choice right back, while Stephen Darby will become 2nd choice.
Daniel Ayala and Danny Wilson is Liverpool's defensive future. Eventually, Carragher will retire. Ayala and Wilson will eventually go up the pecking order for the center back role. Ayala is only 19 and Wilson is only 18. They have a big future in Liverpool. They need more starts. While Coentrao will be 1st choice left back, I will wait on Mavinga and Robinson to mature. They have a bright future. Jonjo Shelvey and Jay Spearing deserve to play ahead of Christian Poulsen and Lucas Leiva. Jonjo Shelvey needs to start more. David Amoo is an exciting player. He needs to be in the subs bench now. Daniel Pacheco should be a starter. He would be a good partner with either Torres or Suarez. He needs to play now so he can adapt to the game.
Don't forget about other promising players including Wisdom, Coady, Suso, Sterling, Ince, Eccleston and Bruna.
Squad after transfers in and out
GK: Reina, Jones, Gulacsi
RB: Kelly, Darby
LB: Coentrao, Konchesky/ Aurelio
CB: Carragher, Agger, Cahill, Ayala, Wilson
CM: Gerrard, Meireles, Banega, Shelvey, Spearing
RW: Cole, Kuyt
LW: Turan, Jovanovic
ST: Torres, Suarez, Pacheco, N'Gog
What does the ed think about my thinking?
{Editor's note - It is highly unlikely ten players will be leaving in one window.}
08 Oct 2010 01:43:19
Why are some people never happy on ere we wanted new owners and it looks like we could be getting new owners so can we stop trying to write off the new yanks and just be pleased where getting rid of these two tossers. Who agrees
Y.N.W.A
John Red Man
08 Oct 2010 01:32:44
I reckon tom Hicks will win the court case or not, but RBS will take control of the club abit after the court case and we will be in administration and docked 9points.
did martin broughton decided to go with red-sox over the other bids just because they are in sports business(baseball + banking). That seems like a bit of weak decision to sell to red-sox. As i figure it, all 3 bidders put £288m bid in and Broughton picked his friend from the bidding process. just seems wrong.
Broughton is unsure how the money will be raised for the purchase of the club. *fishy. , but said they are wealthy people and red-sox is profitable. Well lfc is profitable, but hicks is still a dick of american. Also no guarantees that once the money markets recover that these people won't refinaince lfc in a couple of years for 800m. All broughton knows is that they run red-sox quite well. No new stadium, but may expand anfield, which ever is cheaper for them. The biggest problem i see is that americans just don't understand english football and have no understanding or love for the game. While these people see lfc as a future goldmine, kust as hicks did i fear for the club.
Somewhere in this whole process, all bidders have forgotten about the club and fans. shouldnt they pick the best bidder for the club and not another American(hicks). We are getting nothing from this process and Hicks % co are losing out. Mr tobacco *Broughton and his boss RBS are looking out for themselves.
08 Oct 2010 00:10:13
Even though the new owners are american, and nowhere near as rich as man city, i feel we have a really good chance of going right back to the top with these guys. They didn't end an 86 year wait for a world series title just by throwing money at the team or replacing a few personnel,
John Henry himself made one very specific change at the heart of the club that changed everything. He hired a group of young executives with little experience in baseball, but who were very good with statistical analysis. Reason being, he introduced the redsox to "sabermetrics", a system of player evaluation which allowed the redsox to aquire the most efficient YET undervalued players on the stage. Sabermetrics has come a long way in baseball over the past decade, look up DiamondView on google and see for yourself. This program would track almost 6000 players and receive regular updates every morning based on match stats and player ratings. This allowed them to make the right aquisitions at the very best prices, most imporantly - it means they could spot a star even where the scouts couldnt. Im no expert and i only know what i know from doing a bit of research but it would be quite revolutionary if our scouts could use this sort of tech. Of course, the program doesn't have the final say, the manager has to approve all signings. and John henry never interfered with these sort of decisions. Rumour is sabermetrics are John henrys key to success, and since its served him so well in boston, hes bringing it to anfield.
08 Oct 2010 00:03:53
{ed's note - I think you would have to spend 50m to get Banega and Mata together, at least, purely because Valencia would not want to lose both at once. Davies offers lots of things, great touch, fantastic in the air, quick and he is like a battering ram who can take on any defender. If only he had Drogba's skill and goalscoring he would be the ultimate striker, but he would offer the perfect foil for Torres. I don't see why you would want Zamora, he has had a good couple of seasons, but he offers nothing in particular. May as well play Ngog or Ngoo if you just want a tall skinny player who can't hold the ball up particularly well and doesn't anticipate chances.}
Fair enough. To be honest, I never really watched Davies closely enough to really see his full attributes. I've always just seen him as a big lump that scores a fair few goals. A bad case of ignorance on my part. I'll take your word for it. A striker in that type of mold is definitely needed though. I chose Zamora because he's been impressive recently and he's far more technically able than Davies. Cheers for your time.
Here's Hoping {ed's note - Davies is a lot more technically able than people give him credit for, I remember him starting out as a winger for Chesterfield (I think). He has always given us trouble as well, would be good to get him on our side for a change!}