Liverpool Banter Archive February 09 2016

09 Feb 2016 23:19:44
First ever away day for me. Absolutely loved it!

Hearing flanno command the back line was brilliant to see. Has to start over Clyne.

We were the better by a country mile. Flanno, Smith, Stewart and especially Lucas take a bow. Fantastic! Was tearing my hair out watching Benteke in the first half but was a different player in the second, came alive when Studge came on.

Next year boys.

09 Feb 2016 23:29:14
Very positive post from someone at the match. Good shout Toon.

09 Feb 2016 23:43:08
Some positivety on the site tonight. Very refreshing! I must admit, I shed a tear tonight for the first time this season. Either the banter arguments this week or the four cans of Bud after tonight's result caused it. Hope you all still feel I'm man enough to be RED XX.

09 Feb 2016 23:49:35
Am I missing something? We lost to West Ham, following a draw to Sunderland, it's not like we're playing the elite here. Flanagan/ Smith are encouraging but the inability to learn from mistakes at set pieces is a joke. Especially at such a crucial moment. Seriously worrying for me, I don't see a solution any time soon with this group of players.

10 Feb 2016 00:07:56
Liver duck, we played arguably our best game in three months by far. This game should never have gone to extra time and not even penalties. We dominated them and created chance after chance after chance. We lost and it hurts but we were the better team and Studge as well as Benteke were great. I felt for Benteke today. He did everything he could and the effort he put in was unbelievable. His confidence is shot and it showed. Another set piece? What else is new? All in all, great game by the lads and I'm hall that Studge is back, knock on wood.

10 Feb 2016 02:30:26
benteke looked 'better' but only because sturridge and origi were occupying defenders. And by better I mean average. Our teams performance actually went downhill after the substitutions. mostly because sturridge is effectivly playing as second striker waiting for balls, and origi lacks the technical skills and is wasted out wide. continho and tex were sorely missed, they kept us flowing and were great to watch link up.

Sturridge and origi got scraps while benteke was the focal point. give sturridge, hell even origi the centre forward spot while replacing benteke with an actual footballer and we would have won tonight. Benteke is awful, one of the dumbest striker's I have ever seen play for liverpool. sure, he has ability but he is clueless. Aston villa was his level. good enough to keep them in the league but that's not saying much.

09 Feb 2016 22:59:17
Absolutely fantastic performance tonight. Result didn't go out way but am pleased overall. Particularly impressed with stewart and smith although all did well. Benteke had chances just a shame he couldn't convert one. Seeing studge couts and big origi back was a great watch too. Heres to a positive end to the season. C'mon you redmen YNWA.

10 Feb 2016 00:11:00
Stewart will be some player, for sure. The boys were awesome today. How we didn't convert the ten or so chances we had the whole game is a mystery but it happens. Benteke was great today but his confidence is shot hence, his misses but at least he had a great game.

09 Feb 2016 22:57:38
I'm convinced now, play the kids in the league!

09 Feb 2016 22:53:15
Lucas was man of the match by a mile. However all through the match i noticed him pushing in the back before challenging - its a pity he got pulled up on it at the end.
Cant blame him or Mignolet though - we should have had that game in the bag in 90 mins if Benteke could finish. He had a number of clear cut chances that a more capable striker would have buried.
Thank fowler that Sturridge and Origi are fit again.

10 Feb 2016 00:14:45
We should have thumped them way before extra time arrived.

09 Feb 2016 22:42:59
Come on fellas. On a positive note, Dturridge, Coutinho and Origi back. Stewart and Smith played really well. Lucas and Ilori stood up to the long ball physical assault. Yes, i know its a kick in the teeth to lose like we did but sh#t happens. let's not play the blame game this time. Maybe a tiny bit of civility wouldn't go amiss.

10 Feb 2016 00:15:49
Stoke outplayed us and still won. What goes around, comes around.

09 Feb 2016 22:38:48
Saw Miller give away an identical free kick in closing minutes against Southampton at Anfield and they got a draw.

Now it's Lucas' turn.

Don't these professionals know it's suicide to give away needless fouls in dangerous areas. Especially when they know we can't defend set-pieces.

Having said that the kids looked good. Teixera could do with a few steaks though.

09 Feb 2016 22:48:05
Free kicks are part and parcel of the game Redmist.

09 Feb 2016 22:56:33
or you can swerve the tackle all together an let them cross it in eh?

09 Feb 2016 22:59:57
The whole team should be very proud of themselves. I really expected them to get well beaten but I'm so happy they proved me wrong. I'm sure a few will disagree to this.

09 Feb 2016 22:27:54
I actually can't believe we have just lost that match. We completely dominated and got beat. We just can't catch a break at the moment. West Ham never deserved that. A lot of our players played really well. I am absoloutely done with benteke. Mignolet was ok but he's another one that's got to be on his way. I think the youngsters should have more games, especially in midfield.

I could go through who played well but there's just too many and I'm to distraught for that. Even though benteke played alright he is just not the striker for us and his time at here is done, he is not a big club striker.

09 Feb 2016 22:41:24
Ofcourse they deserved it. They took their chances, while Benteke fluffed 6 chances that should have been goals.

09 Feb 2016 22:42:07
So disappointing to lose that one. We were the better team by far tonight. and over the two matches.
Credit to the young ones who did us proud. and lots of positives to take.
Fair play to Sturridge who looked a class act when he came on. Good to see him, Benteke and Origi, linking up so well.
Great free kick from Coutinho for the goal. but Benteke should have scored 2 or 3 more and put the match to bed.
If we keep these players fit now, could have a good run in to the end of the season .

09 Feb 2016 22:43:59
Good to see some important players back and some of he kids playing well and great to see us genuinely not deserve to lose for a change. However it's always the same old thing and I'm literally bored to death of getting angry about it. Defending Cross's and set pieces is simply abysmal and has been for years. Dunno if it's the keepers command of his area, simply poor central defenders or both bit they all need to go. Not to bothered about the wing backs ATM but in my opinion every centre back on our books needs to go, bar none.

09 Feb 2016 23:00:53
In Benteke's defence, he's obviously been low on confidence recently, been in and out the team, and I actually think he played well today. People saying he missed loads of chances, yeah the 1 on 1 (great save) and the volley you expect better. Maybe the header that went over from origis cross also. But he also had his free kick saved and at least 4 goal bound shots blocked by a determined West Ham defence. He linked well and held the ball up well, and movement was better than has been recently. On another day could have had a hatrick. I personally hope he stays in the summer cus I think Klopp can get him to be more mobile and then we'll have a beast strikers. Only problem is I can't see us keeping all 4 of Sturridge Benteke Ings and Origi. Wonder who's going?

10 Feb 2016 00:40:25
Spot on, Westwood. The boy can't catch a break. He plays well, creates chances albeit he fluffed a few but worked hard for the team, he gets slated. He does none of that, he gets slated. Fickle much?

10 Feb 2016 02:41:12
it will be benteke mate all day long. the genius of Rodgers has a lot to answer for 666. he gets rid of carroll explaining to us he won't fit our style then he buys an identical type of striker after he's got rid of our wingers. he then tries to play ings there! plus how many 1 on 1s do you allow a guy to miss, not forgetting his screw up in the 1st match when a simple pass to tex would have given tex more of the goal to aim at. there are two Belgians at both ends we need rid of a. s. a. p.

09 Feb 2016 22:25:18
Well disappointed to lose, but a cracking match. Great to see coutinho, studge and origi back. Benteke so very unlucky not to score 2-4 goals today but worked hard and linked well I thought.

Tex and coutinho and smith linked very very nicely i thought, great to see some hard tackling from flanno as per usual.

Even though it's a loss not feeling too down beat, another day would've seen I flurry of goals (for either team to be fair) but we looked more positive and creative.

Come on you reds.

09 Feb 2016 22:35:43
another day without benteke maybe.

10 Feb 2016 00:42:12
Wiseryan, lay off the lad, mate. The guy must be blaming himself for the loss he knows he should have won the game for us. Support the boy because his confidence is shot and needs encouraging instead of slating him.

09 Feb 2016 22:11:31
Whatever happens after this game all i can say is lucas has been immense in defense showing what a great versatile player he is and how lucky we are that br did get his way and sell him!

10 Feb 2016 00:45:22
Could Lucas be converted into a CB? Interesting.

09 Feb 2016 21:43:21
Extra time then, Sturridge looking good but how well has Lucas played as a centre half .

09 Feb 2016 21:53:47
I unfortuately don't have bt. but apprently chirivella has had a great game!

09 Feb 2016 22:12:02
Licas motm by a long shot absolutely immense.

09 Feb 2016 23:03:55
Yes Chrivella is a real gem in the making.

09 Feb 2016 19:21:21
Great news to see coutinho back how we have missed the little magician great player for the Reds
Up the pool.

09 Feb 2016 19:01:28
We're is firmino not on bench nether ynwa.

10 Feb 2016 02:47:25
I was wondering the same thing jonnyboy24. play the players in form. rule number 1. the boy is on fire and a far better finisher than bentenke. the sooner he is linking up with sturridge/ coutinho and origi the better.

09 Feb 2016 18:31:20
I think we are genuine underdogs tonight. If Danny starts I fancy us. I think we will see big changes all over the park. Played really well in patches against Sunderland so I can't see us changing too much. Can't help thinking we always look weak against the hammers.

09 Feb 2016 18:41:16
If the rumored line up is true, it should be interesting to say the least.

09 Feb 2016 18:46:19
I hope Studge stays on bench and we ease him back until League Cup Final, then play him until the end of the season.

09 Feb 2016 19:03:29
I wouldn't have thought sturridge will start because he didn't even play in the last game.

09 Feb 2016
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09 Feb 2016 17:25:25
at last something to cheer. congrats to Roberto firmino the pfa player of the month. its been a slow burn but I never doubted his quality, look forward to him and coutinho being back in tandem on the pitch. by the way how many nutmegs did he pull off at the weekend? imo he will only get better now he knows what the epl is all about.

09 Feb 2016 17:49:54
Yes, good for him. A small ray of light maybe? He seems to be finding his feet. I just hope his good play can rub off on a few others.

09 Feb 2016 16:45:22
Hello eds quick question or even a answer off a fan not the biggest fan of lallana but I think he has it in him to be amazing for us because his talent but would he be better in midfield to change it up not sure hendo and can create enough and fast enough to create also lallana runs a lot maybe a new position for him or maybe just my crazy idea.

{Ed001's Note - in central midfield you mean? Not convinced, he runs around a lot, but rarely actually achieves anything. For me his best position would be on the bench, as his energy can make a real difference late in games.}

09 Feb 2016 17:07:26
He should not even make the bench.

{Ed001's Note - I would agree overall he does need to be sold, but while at the club he can, as he has shown, make an impact coming on as a sub.}

09 Feb 2016 18:14:36
Surlely every attacking player should have enough energy to make a difference from the bench. If you don't have the quality to start, I agree with ed001 he should be sold.

09 Feb 2016 18:57:10
Thankyou for the replies people and I agree up to now he's been dreadful but I see something in him just don't think he's in the right position but wouldn't mind selling wouldn't hurt me seeing him go just sad with the amount we spent.

09 Feb 2016 15:32:32
Don't know about everyone else but I'm really looking forward to Sturridge, Origi and Coutinho's return (hopefully tonight) . Think they will completely change the attacking dynamic of the team. Hopefully actually give us a bit more impetus in attack.

09 Feb 2016 16:43:18
and the one thing they all have in common is movement. the pace of the 2 strikers will also help, the midfielders esp firmino.

09 Feb 2016 16:49:38
Yeah exactly. That's what we've been lacking I think so hopefully we will see an improvement. Hopefully we get to see Coutinho, Sturridge and Firmino playing together. Think they could all combine well.

09 Feb 2016 14:49:25
It's disheartening to see Liverpool fans get on the back of Sturridge. Yes he's been injured but when he's fit, he's magical to watch. He at least needs to be given some time under klopp and to see if these injuries are now history. If they are, we have a world class striker for a good 5+ years! And at this point he's surely half robot.

09 Feb 2016 15:00:54
Just thinking there is a lot of similarities between Klopp with Rues and Klopp with Sturridge, Rues has had some Serious injuries down the years and all the niggly ones that sturridge has had aswell. Hopefully this Mini Pre season that Daniel has had will benefit him big time :)

09 Feb 2016 15:49:36
He will be off to a London club in the summer.

09 Feb 2016 16:46:55
which one though dan40v? west ham perhaps or does wenger need someone to keep Wiltshire company? would you keep him or move him on?

09 Feb 2016 21:34:54
I can see him at Spurs or Arsenal for some strange reason.

09 Feb 2016 13:33:35
Yan Dhanda looks very good doesn't he? Defo one to watch.

09 Feb 2016 16:12:17
Is that a hint SQ from inside info? or just a general note of information.

09 Feb 2016 07:56:52
goo.gl/YYMeAM

The stats in the above article prove 2 things in my opinion. our specific defensive unit isn't that bad, but the team defending is, and secondly, more stats to prove the failure that is mignolet.

still, positives in there for sure, and encouraging ones too.

09 Feb 2016 12:21:20
Only another couple of hours and Mr Mignolet will be getting the news that he has been Bogdanned for tonight, but by Danny Ward of course!

09 Feb 2016 12:40:04
Stats show we concede too many and score too few but the real story is our midfield IMO.
It's too congested and we slow the play down too much. Strikers need quick ball to stretch the opposition.

09 Feb 2016 13:43:21
Ron I totally agree that the midfield aren't do what is required.
My belief is that the movement isn't there for the midfield to release. On the occasions it has it has been brilliant to watch. Firmino will sometimes come deep and no-one will run on by him. Ibe is wasteful. Sturridge Origi and Ings are going to clear up if we can provide tha quality that is available and been shown next season (depending on staying and being fit of course)
I really do hope that with out and out strikers the midfield will be quicker in releasing the ball a lot earlier.

09 Feb 2016 13:46:33
The short comings this season, like the last 3 seasons, our goalkeeper is not very good at being the last line of defence. The injuries, still playing in all competitions and in a whole our squad isn't good enough. I don't blame Migs for being average. If our Strikers, Midfielders, defenders all stay fit, then we may outscore teams. Nothing to do with midfielders. Any decent keeper saves most of the goals we have conceded this season. Sunderland created nothing at the weekend and a freekick which should have been saved cost us the 3 points. Migs isn't good enough, our midfield when fully fit is. We should have addressed this issue 2 summers ago when I constantly said we should try for the best keeper available. The season we finished 2nd we had the worst goal against figures out of all the teams in the top 5.This isn't a dig at Migs it is a just being realistic to say all the money the club as invested we should have a keeper better than we have.

09 Feb 2016 14:27:51
the stats do indeed show that we concede to many and score too few. however, the stats also say that we are creating more chances than anyone, an indication that the midfield is, from an attacking point of view at least, doing what we want it to, to some extent at least. there is a reson to feel optimistic that a decent striker will turn some of those chances and half chances into goals.

as a team, defensively, the stats are saying we are poor, with 13 different players providing a league highest of 25 errors leading to shots. needless to say, you can't blame migs for that, or just the defence.

The telling stat is that we are second only to Tottenham in terms of shots on target that we have faced, and yet for goals conceded, we are where we are. That says everything, in my opinion.

09 Feb 2016 10:39:21
I support the owners. Yes they may have listened to the wrong people at times and made a few wrong decisions. Overall I think that they are good for the club. Us football customers/ fans have been ripped off for years and, maybe now is the time that things have to change. I am proud that it was our fans that have started this protest and hopefully others will follow and it will force all clubs into a change of thinking. We have certain fans who will never accept the fact that football is not what it was years ago and with the billions of pounds involved it has turned into a lucrative business for some individuals, but that is only to be expected from, the wealthy people who can afford to speculate with money. I am in total agreement that the the sport is being taken away from the old core of football fans. You wonder where the next football fans are coming from. The local kids cannot afford to get to a game, the atmosphere is suffering due to a majority of fans getting older and are just there from habit. I do not shout and scream as much as I did when I was younger. I appreciate that each club has to try to run their clubs efficiently but they must also stop taking the short term view that we are o. k. for this year and next year we will look at it again. Now is the time to get the kids into the ground by making it easier to get the tickets at a reasonable price. Maybe we have now hit the point where enough is enough. Start by cutting the expenditure on agents fees and players excessive demands. I personally like some of the posters comments and we all know who we are talking about when I say that some posters will continually slag off any owners, no matter how good they are but someone has to run the club. They may need a push in the right direction now and then but overall I think that these owners are good for our club. Are they in it to make money? Of course they are but no-one is going to do it for nothing. The board members have always taken money from their respective club. It's now that the figures are so big that it gets highlighted even more. Let's hope that we have started something that others will follow and we all join together as football fans to have one voice that will be heard by every owner forcing them to re-evaluate their attitudes towards their customers/ fans and the future of the game as a whole. We have to liaise with other groups to join as one to change these attitudes towards us and to ensure that the next generation and the one after them can enjoy what we have enjoyed. Don't forget that most of us have no other option to change our support. We are born into a family just as we are born to support our respective teams.
Sorry for the long post.

09 Feb 2016 16:20:54
Cannot understand the disagree number. What is it that you disagree with? Do you disagree that we have been ripped off? Do you disagree that enough is enough? Do you disagree that we should make it easier for the next generation of fans to get to a match and support the team? Do you disagree that we should liaise with other fans groups? Etc etc.
Or is that some people just disagree with everything?
Don't just press the disagree button, post a reply stating why you disagree and let's debate the issues.

09 Feb 2016 07:09:32
Chances of Sturridge, Coutinho and Origi all starting today ed?

{Ed001's Note - pretty much zero, as there is very little chance any of them could last 90min.}

09 Feb 2016 08:53:00
Hi eds, the question is starting together rather than lasting 90min.

{Ed001's Note - yes and the answer is the same because they wouldnt last 90min and it could go to extra time.}

09 Feb 2016 10:18:15
And if you start with three who can't last 90 then that is all your subs designated. What happens if someone else gets injured?

{Ed001's Note - glad someone got it.}

09 Feb 2016 09:50:10
Might see Sturridge start and the other 2 in the bench, good to get some players back .

09 Feb 2016 12:58:30
Good shout Red J.

09 Feb 2016 12:59:38
I say start with the same side, but Ward in goal, have Sturridge, Couts and Origi on the bench and if we get to say 65-70 mins and we still need a goal or 2 and have not had to use any subs go bang and put the 3 of em on. If it's a game like last time and we are playing well but not scoring putting Couts in behind Danny and Divock could really cause some problems. It won't happen but we can hope that we are getting closer to seeing the likes of Firmino, Coits, Sturridge and Origi on the pitch at the same time. On paper it looks pretty deadly, let's hope it works out that way.

{Ed002's Note - So not the same side then?}

09 Feb 2016 15:06:53
And to the snart alec Why would subbing 3 of them out before 90 kin be a problem when we are leading 3-0 with their combine powess? Pray tell me please mr smarty pants.

{Ed001's Note - what happens if there is an injury? Try and think about what you are saying, we could end up seeing out the game short handed if we did what you are suggesting.}