Liverpool Banter Archive November 09 2015

09 Nov 2015 22:00:37
Our best striker our, our captain out, and now our best defender. Along with Gomez, ings, toure, milner and previous injuries to benteke firmino lallana it's really starting to hurt us, excuse the pun.

{Ed002's Note - How many of these will be out after the break - are you sure you are not just over-reacting or looking for future excuses.}

09 Nov 2015 22:05:24
Where was the pun?

09 Nov 2015 22:22:22
We've had a lot of key players out, and I'm sure we will have more, I'm not making excuses though. But if we have to play lovren over sakho, origi over any of our other strikers, it is affecting the team.

10 Nov 2015 08:18:38
No excuses, we have a big enough squad to have to be able to play through this for the moment.

10 Nov 2015 11:30:53
You expecting some back ed?

{Ed002's Note - Of course.}

09 Nov 2015 19:00:05
Some Liverpool fans these days are simply not fans at all. I have to say I was disgusted to see big numbers leaving with nearly 15 minutes to play. I don't care who the manager is, this can only have a negative effect on the team.

The ground is dismally quiet, and there is no need for visiting teams to feel intimidated.

Not good enough. by far. Get a grip people, you know who you are.

09 Nov 2015 19:11:35
I feel like not going th home games sometimes me an my mate are the only ones that sing in the main stand its a joke anfield is just full of tourists nowadays sad to say.

09 Nov 2015 19:14:06
This has been happening for years so why does everyone now feel the need to jump on the bandwagon once Klopp highlights the issue?

09 Nov 2015 19:23:07
The decline has been happening for years too. 12th man my arse!

09 Nov 2015 21:13:05
If you don`t support us when we lose, Don`t support us when we win. Hopeless fans, these people are.

09 Nov 2015 22:05:38
Hate the term tourist fan. Not everyone can commit to every week, and some people who can only go maybe once or twice a year, it's the highlight of their month or something. I live miles away and have been around 7/8 times in the last two years, insanely jealous of those who can make it every week. Every time I watch I love it, and sing.
If you don't want tourist fans no one will be able to see the game except the same people that do every week? The season ticket holder are the ones who should make the noise and everyone else joins in, you can expect someone who goes maybe once a month to start chants etc.

09 Nov 2015 22:35:19
Agree 100% with Fencey, only adding a 'tourist' fan would not leave the ground early as they appreciate the Occassion of being at Anfield. I'd be pointing the finger towards fans going week in week out wanting to beat the rush home. The noise is a collective of team success, corporate packages, tired season ticket holders and some 'tourists'. IMO.

09 Nov 2015 22:37:33
Fencey, you'll also see, the people who say tourist fan, want there team, to be a large global brand.

10 Nov 2015 00:03:54
It's not the tourist fans it's so expensive the average age of fans is over 50 I was in a social club before one game waiting for a friend I looked around the club everyone was in their 50s.

{Ed007's Note - Did they all have paper Ed001 masks on?}

10 Nov 2015 00:14:34
Stop trying to blame a 'type' of fan.

Fans fall into two categories - those who are there to support the team (sing, stay to the end etc) and those who are there purely to be 'entertained'.

Its a double edged sword as, mentioned above, the fans in the ground (whether they live 5 minutes walk or 25 hours flight away) are as important (in my opinion) to the team performance as the players themselves - the 12th man.

I haven't been to Anfield for many years, but remember the atmosphere from my previous visits with great joy, especially European nights (anywhere in the ground) and league games in the Kop. Makes me sad and ashamed to hear of such a walk-out. Remember, we don't sell prawn sandwiches at Anfield (or do we now? Could that be the reason? Maybe we should go back to cheese and pickle being our most exotic flavour?! )

10 Nov 2015 01:09:54
I call bull on this fictitious notion that there are these armies of "tourist" fans who are invading Anfield, and ruining the atmosphere and often leaving games early.

What ****ing tourists are visiting Liverpool in early November?

Give me a break. The fact is, the problematic fans are likely just aging Baby Boomers Liverpool fans, who have been key fans over the years, but are now retired, have plenty of time on their hands (so they can catch many games), but are happy to pop out early to avoid traffic jams. Boomers have lived with the results of their generational population boom: traffic, congestion, pollution, whatever. So, they leave early to avoid all that.

Tourists. Give me a break.

10 Nov 2015 04:59:16
I was a "tourist fan" when I went to see Liverpool at St. James' Park when I was a student at Newscastle University, and let me tell you that it is not easy showing up, and acting like you own the place. Not to mention that the "regular fans" are not exactly the nicest people either sometimes, and that can be intimidating for us "tourist fans".

Think about from the perspective of people who visit Liverpool, sometimes from continents away, just for a day to see the game, having spend vast amounts of money, finding time in between busy schedules, and this is probably something they have been dreaming and planning of doing for years. And then when you show and want to experience that once in a life experience, the regulars start muttering in undertones about the stadium being full of tourists, who seemingly are tretrespassing on their beloved ground, and some people might just feel a little intimidated.

10 Nov 2015 10:47:27
Liverpool haven't had a 12th man at home games for years. At away games the support is much much louder and better.

Locals dislike daytrippers and often make their feelings heard when a daytripper starts singing with a wrong accent or BS like that. They are sitting there only complaining and rarely supporting. that's a fact jack! 90% of the time those leaving early are locals, the daytrippers stick around to get a feel of anfield etc. I do, locals leave early to avoid a lot of traffic etc. Plus 'tourists' is just BS, after visiting Liverpool 3 times, there really isn't much apart from the football.

09 Nov 2015 14:15:30
I've said it before many many many times. Yannick Bolasie, sign him up! Although I'm sure his value is now £15-£20m at this stage.
Works really hard for the team and is one of the most skilful players I've seen. Pace to burn.
Agree? Disagree?

{Ed001's Note - too inconsistent and makes the wrong decisions 90% of the time.}

09 Nov 2015 14:48:23
And i've said it many times too - Ayoze Perez, he's the fox in the box we all been waiting for.

09 Nov 2015 14:48:38
The commentator said something which is bang on for me. Something like 'he doesn't know what he's doing half the time'
He doesn't have a plan, and doesn't utilise space as times he is too busy keeping track of what he's done, he has skills and pace but his control isn't that good so a touch he takes may go wide and beat a man and he has the pace to get there first, but a simple cut inside would be more direct and effective.

09 Nov 2015 15:23:34
And I am sure plenty of people in the past have said lots of good things about Lallana and Milner too.

09 Nov 2015 15:48:58
Mane would be one heck of a player in few years. We bought too many from Southampton and left the best one there itself.

09 Nov 2015 15:59:49
Mane was bought by Southampton AFTER we bought Lallana, Lambert and Lovren, specifically as a replacement for Lallana. Your comment makes little sense as such.

I however agree that Sadio Mane is an excellent player.

09 Nov 2015 16:20:39
If I had to pick btw Mane and Bolasie, it will be Mane hands down. Fencey hit the nail on the head with his allusion to the commentator`s view of Bolasie.

09 Nov 2015 16:30:52
id like him always seems to score/have a good game against us really anoys me the only thing is, would he be like a harry kewell, good reputation good for previous team goes to Liverpool fails to perform to previous levels.

09 Nov 2015 18:33:58
AG wthanks for putting that. I don't know what Harry was on about.

09 Nov 2015 19:32:35
Mine was a pure sarcasm how we waste money on players. Mane like others are just a name we missed and went for other players.
There were many good players during the Lallana / Lovren summer.

09 Nov 2015 20:00:23
Bolasie would be awful playing on a top team that plays against a low block frequently. His touch And decision making are awful. He gets away with it at palace because he always playing on the break.

Mane is a gem but we would be stupid to buy him for what he would cost now.

09 Nov 2015 21:15:37
To b fair, Bolasie is not better than Kewell, technically. Work ethic? DEFO!

09 Nov 2015 23:48:28
Guess I'm on my own on this one. Still think he'd be one heck of an impact sub if nothing else.

10 Nov 2015 01:48:25
bolasie ( along with walters from stoke ) always seems to have the games of their live when they play us. whenever I watch them againt other opposition they are so wasteful and hardly ever score. Bolasie would be a decent bench player as he's quite inconsistent ( but full of energy) He would cost 20 mil so why would you bother.

09 Nov 2015 12:08:00
Hi Eds, just seeking your view about awkward situation with captaincy. I can see that Klopp favours Lucas and he showed it openly by making him seat next to him in journalist prematch conference, talking to him after match like discussing with biz partner and then now the armband. Do you think Klopp will over throw the previous BR regime's pick for C and VC? And if yes, how do they make ex-captains feel less awkward?

09 Nov 2015 11:31:13
Shame on our fans who walked out yesterday, so much for our motto. I really don't know what's happened to our fans over the last ten years or so. We should stay and sing ynwa even if we are 5-0 down.

09 Nov 2015 11:58:12
Bang on the button.

09 Nov 2015 13:12:51
It happens every game and it's shocking and shameful. If I were Klopp I'd be having a go at them as they went out, pathetic behavior. You have a chance to see something that thousands if not millions of people are desperate to see worldwide and week on week you leave early to beat the traffic. It's a joke - the few matches I've been able to get to over the year, I've had to be dragged out after the final whistle!

09 Nov 2015 15:55:23
Been going to anfield on an off since 1975 and wouldn't dream of leaving early, you spend the last ten mins of the match bobbing up an down like a jack in the box to let the aholes out who want to beat the traffic, it's shameful an made up that klopp had said something, YNWA.

09 Nov 2015 16:27:22
Some "intelligent" fans they are. DISGRACEFUL!

09 Nov 2015 16:45:44
What do you expect when they have a five hour journey back home?

What would you do if you had to shoot back to John Lennon airport to catch your flight?

That's the state of Anfield lately. Day trippers r us and snap happy middle class.

{Ed001's Note - funny you should say that, but I know one family of locals, that are also season ticket holders, that always leave early and always have done. Most of the ones leaving early tend to be the locals. Ridiculous comment, if you are traveling that far to go to a game, it makes little sense to leave early. Just more bigoted nonsense from a bigoted local to embarrass the city.}

09 Nov 2015 17:48:38
Well said Ed001. And for the record, I live in London. One of the matches I went to was a midweek game that went to extra time, still didn't leave early despite having a train to catch. Missed the last train and had to stay overnight in the only hotel room I can find and lived on pot noodle for a month to cover the cost!

To all those fans who seem to believe that only people from Liverpool should support LFC (yet at the same time enjoy being a team supported all over the world - weird right? ) stop alienating fans, stop acting like your postcode makes you better and stop acting like none of 'your people' need to look in the mirror and see themselves as part of the problem. It's pathetic for grown-ups to be so xenophobic over anything, never mind when it's against people they are on the same side as! Maybe Anfield wouldn't feel so quiet if people, even the so called 'day trippers', were encouraged to get involved rather than sneered at for being from elsewhere and not knowing every word to every song.

09 Nov 2015 19:13:56
I don't agree with people leaving after 83 minutes when we have conceded. but I don't have a problem with people leaving in injury time when the game is done (as long as they don't walk in front of me! ) . I don't think it's a big issue in the greater scheme of things. I actually have more of an issue with JK highlighting the fact in such blunt terms. I think he has enough to deal with on the pitch rather than having a pop at the fans after a defeat. I think he should maybe have chosen a better time to make his point.
Fergie endured years of silence whilst winning trophies before he felt comfortable enough to criticise the prawn sandwich brigade. maybe JK could have given the fans a bit more of his developing footy before commenting!

09 Nov 2015 19:16:02
Weird isn't it that it's always local fans that slag off world wide fans and saying people out of Liverpool not welcome. So best get rid of Klopp, Lucas, Henderson, Sakho etc etc, don't want non scousers at the club!

10 Nov 2015 01:37:11
I get to a game 3/4 times a year from Ireland. I leave at 4am for a day trip that starts with a 2 hour drive; followed by a flight and another hour plus drive from Birmingham down. I never leave a game early. Never will. I'm sick of LFC fans in here and in general belittling fans that aren't from Liverpool and its surrounds. I wonder how many locals would spent the time and money going to games that some of the so called "day trippers" do? How many times a season would the stadium sell out without the so called day trippers? How many big name players transfer fees and wages would be afforded without the so called day trippers. Pull in your heads lads. LFC fans are LFC fans; if they are from a different town, area, country or continent they have as much rights to call themselves LFC fans than anyone else.

10 Nov 2015 14:04:47
I don`t care about your postal code and it doesn`t make you a better fan than anyone for that matter. Us who support LFC worldwide have to make sacrifices as well. wake up at odd hours, pay extra for cable channels to watch the team play, call off work and and or get to work late to watch games. I can go on and on. To each his own difficulties. I have never left a LFC game regardless of the score before the final whistle, even if I knew we would n`t win. That is just disgraceful if you call yourself a fan.

09 Nov 2015 11:22:02
Im sure everyone on here has been screaming for Can to be in the 1st 11 for months now that he has had a run of games in the 1st team and made a few mistakes you all want him benched now? he's a young raw player what do you expect as they say you learn from your mistakes and i for one think that he's a top talent and will be a class player in the future. My one problem with him though is what the hell is his best position? Ed001 were would you say he plays best i thought at 1st DM but now i'm thinking more of a AM i am really confused does anybody know!

{Ed001's Note - he is still learning. Central midfield will be best in time I think.}

09 Nov 2015 12:07:18
Agreed guys. He has a great future ahead of him in our midfield and I think he can play a few roles in there. He has made a few mistakes lately that have been costly but again we have a manager now that will iron all these things out. I really like the kid he always gives 100% and with that attitude he will get better and better.

09 Nov 2015 12:16:31
Young players don't get any better by just giving them the stick and forcing them to play in a bad run of form, even if its what they want. They need to be taken out and protected and told how to correct it.

{Ed001's Note - depends on the player.}

09 Nov 2015 13:45:15
I wish people show 1% of the support and love to players who never got the chance they deserve.
Markovic - Not goor enough, Light weight, Over rated, Big money flop.

09 Nov 2015 16:30:54
he`s young and still learning with defo some rough edges around his game. We need him to improve but it won`t happen overnight. I will say tho, that he has to show the ability to learn from his mistakes otherwise, he may well ply his trade from the bench.

09 Nov 2015 18:32:07
HARRY PLEASE! SPARE US. Barely any of the regular posters have said that, and no one has really mentioned markovic, most the regulars wanted him given a chance in a role that wasn't wing back. You were the one that wanted him gone as ed001 pointed out. Markovic from what I can gather is going to get a chance to come back and prove he can add to the team, I am happy for this. I think a year on loan will help him (when fit) progress.

09 Nov 2015 09:09:18
Comments On Klopp and the Fans

Klopps loves Liverpool and Liverpool FC already its obvious from the way he celebrates by the way he wants us to do well (i know that's his job for us to do well)

He does have a point about fans leaving early as the players will see this as well and could think well the fans have given up why don't we? I know full well it can be a nightmare getting out of Anfield but even if you leave early you still have to queue so i think Klopps right why leave?

09 Nov 2015 09:29:53
Are they getting any refund in leaving early?

{Ed025's Note - its like leaving a restaurant before your sweet..

09 Nov 2015 10:07:25
It reminds me about the lad who left Istanbul at half time.

09 Nov 2015 10:08:51
Too many bad fans in anfield these days.

09 Nov 2015 10:30:05
I was shocked mate after Palaces second dozens around me just got up and left!

09 Nov 2015 10:35:36
wouldnt say they are bad fans mikey but they think oh crap i'm going to have to queue and there will be a mad rush out the ground. well yeah there will be there is thousands of people leaving at once but as soon as you get in your car you either have to wait for other people to move theirs or you have to wait anyway because them thousands of people who left after you are now in the way, so its pointless leaving early.

09 Nov 2015 10:47:23
I'm a little bit embarrassed if I'm honest. I'm pleased Klopp has had the balls to call them out on it too, it's been happening for way too long. The players will see this and it will affect them.

I remember being on the Kop as a youngster and a young couple started trying to leave at about 82/84 mins. The whole Kop was soon singing 'home for a quick sh*g, they're going home for a quick sh*g'. It was rare then stood out and got called out for it.

09 Nov 2015 11:01:37
For me, they should be ashamed of themselves. They've let the club down and they've let Kloppo down. Embarrassment.

09 Nov 2015 11:02:00
Klopp also said it was up to the players to make sure the fans don't leave. It is a mutual thing; the fans will stay if they trust the players to turn it around, and it is upto the players to show that now.

09 Nov 2015 11:33:02
"Klopp loves Liverpool and Liverpool FC" don't kid yourself, that is just the way he does things he would be exactly the same if he had gone to Villa or similar and nobody loves Birmingham.

09 Nov 2015 11:49:55
TOT66 did i once say he wouldn't be like that anywere else. NO! You can see his passion something your lacking by the sound of things. If you have ever been to a match since he has took over and watch him he dosent exactly sit there does he writing in his little notepad and whispering into his assitant managers ear (remind you of anyone)

FYI he wouldn't of been the same if he went villa as he wouldn't have anything to cheer about would he ;)

09 Nov 2015 13:17:22
I remember the Intanbul game and being a little lad watching it on TV. i'm sure a lot of people turned off at 45mins or parents sent there kids to bed!

Im not sure why, maybe the occasion but i thought to myself if they can get 3, so can we second half and i'm usually pretty optimistic but not to that sense, but that night kept believing and the lads did it!

09 Nov 2015 13:48:48
Allyb, he would have had 1 point more than us to cheer about yesterday.

09 Nov 2015 14:13:38
1 game red since 64 1 point hardly something to set the world a light now is it. What Klopp has done has been brilliant so far ok so we lost yesterday and as Klopp would say that's Football we move on and go to Man City and give them a run for there money! I can't stand negative fans.

09 Nov 2015 15:58:37
That is the difference between spectators and supporters.

09 Nov 2015 16:36:20
Red64 has been negative since his boy got the boot so don`t be too concerned with his negative comments and useless inuendos. To the fans who left early, shame on all of you.

09 Nov 2015 08:23:15
Sick of this rubbish that Palace are a 'bogey team'.

They're not.

Both times they beat us last year were during periods in which we could not be more worse as a team. They beat us last night because silly defensive errors reared their ugly head again. It could have happened against any team.

My original post on the game was a bit emotional, but I've slightly refined my opinion. Despite the result, it's actually one the best games we've had in an attacking sense. We used the width better than we have under Klopp, we created multiple clear cut chances, only our finishing let us down. I can definitely see where this team will go as an attacking unit under Klopp, and he hasn't even signed his own preferred players yet. It's so much more entertaining than Rodgers' Death by Boredom- it actually reminds me a bit of United under Fergie. An exciting team that are exponents of using every square yard of the pitch possible to attack. I love seeing fast crosses being whipped into the penalty zone. United were good at that because not only were their crosses accurate but also because they flooded the box with attackers in key positions. Anyway, I digress.

Our midfield was average. I initially thought Lucas as poor but I guess he was solid, I perhaps let a few of his ball-turnovers and intercepted passes cloud my opinion. But it definitely wasn't his best game. Can was shocking though. Directly responsible for Bolasie's goal because he tried to be too fancy, and his general play in midfield was just ordinary. He needs to slow down, and simplify.

Sakho was good until he came off. I thought Skrtel bottled it after Sakho went off. Lovren was alright. Clyne was very solid IMO, Moreno great, apart from a near-penalty incident in the first half.

Mignolet was bang average. Could have parried that ball better before the Dunn goal. His distribution was shocking and he had way too many cliff-edge moments while under pressure with the ball at his feet.

I thought Ibe had another great game, Coutinho was good and made a handy contribution, Lallana. I mean, okay. He never looks shocking, however when you consistently fail to deliver any assists or goals, it starts to make your seemingly 'tidy' performances a lot more frustrating and worthy of heavy criticism. Mate, please, let the ball do more work, and work on your final pass and shooting.

Despite the fact he missed a number of chances, I liked what I saw from Big Ben. He gives presence, he's actually a great space-finder and passer of the ball, holds it up well and gets himself into goal-scoring chances. For some reason, he lacked a ruthless cutting-edge today.

We're far from perfect at the moment, but we probably got carried way with the unbeaten run and underestimated our likelihood of losing a few games this season. It will happen. It doesn't mean top 4 is out of the question though. United were ahead by more this time last season, yet we were one victory away at Anfield from overtaking them for 4th during March. Sadly we didn't pull it off, but it shows what is possible. They aren't the greatest team.

But the team mentality is much improved. With Rodgers, we would have dropped our heads and perhaps let another goal in shortly after, ala West Ham. This time we responded positively and got an equaliser; and they showed some fight after the second goal too.

This team will get better this season, mark my words.

09 Nov 2015 08:40:24
Results in recent years would suggest they are a bit of a bogey team atm.

09 Nov 2015 09:03:41
I admit I didn't have a chance to watch the game yesterday but poor finishing and poor crossing is a problem we have had for long time including under BR. And one of Klopp's biggest tests is improving that. Only in one of the games he managed so far we scored more than one goal. So still a lot of work to do.

I still think his other main test will be buying well. We lack 2-3 quality players going forward even when we have a full fit squad, let alone when we got injuries. Look at Arsenal, how many injuries they have and what a great team they are still able to put on the pitch even then, especially going forward.

Top 4 this season still seems to me like a big ask. At the moment our place in the table (10) is quite justified - we played most of the teams above us and we didn't beat even one of them. There is a lot of work to be done. If we get anything from our next game in City I may be more optimistic but I will have to see it to believe it, they are a fantastic team. And if we don't, we will probably be bottom half of the table I think talking about top4 is unrealistic. I would focus on the other ompetitions, especially the EL this year.

09 Nov 2015 09:13:33
''Mignolet is bang average and could have parried the ball away. ''

''Clyne was very solid''

I think you need to re watch what happens on that corner. Overall it wasn't great, but there was no defense for what Clyne did or didn't do more accurately. He has no man to mark, he is watching the balls flight almost the entire time, he see it come into his zone, and he stands still and let's Dann get the run on Firmino.

Now yes Mignolet probably should have managed to get the ball away out wide, at the same time though it's a poweful header with not much time to react. But overrall little of the blame can be directed at him, it has to be Firmino and Clyne

To give Clyne a pass for that poor game where his control was shocking crosses poor and constantly got turned inside out by zaha bolasie and then be scathing of Migs is a little poor. I am yet to see what we paid £12.5 million, that we would not have got from Wisdom.

09 Nov 2015 09:16:03
Credit to Palace also, they are a really good team. Strong and attacking and press well. I agree soon we should beat teams like this more times than not but palace can beat top teams on their day.

09 Nov 2015 09:31:58
Liverpool are not a top team anymore - sad but true. When we probably lose to City we will be around 13th / 14th in the league. So many really average players have been brought in over the past years it's going to take some time to get it sorted.

09 Nov 2015 09:35:58
Well it was the Villans some time ago being our boogey team and we could add palace in the list.

The theory is simple, Team who press us very high, chase high and has pace on the flanks genrally beat us hands down.
Look back to the last 5 years and you could see the stats.

Not sure, whose responsible for us not scoring goals. We simply cannot score enough.

09 Nov 2015 09:41:14
I never feel they're a bogey team because I just think they've mostly played us at really good times to play us.

09 Nov 2015 10:19:25
Villa and palace do NOT press high. They sit absorb and counter. traditionally these clubs have been bang average at getting results and beaten by most teams who STILL manage to grab goals, we could and should have scored a few goals yesterday but didn't take out chances like other teams who played palace and in previous years Villa. Like I say harry pace had NOTHING to do with either goal yesterday we were woeful from a set piece again, and Can needed to just put the boot through the ball and Moreno needed to be stronger in the challenge.

09 Nov 2015 11:13:15
Moreno great? I disagree on that. Prior to Emre Can passing the ball to Bolasie to score (the second time this season Can has done the exact same thing in the box), Moreno had a 50-50 with a Palace player, and he jumped out of the challenge. At times, when the going gets tough, players like Moreno, Lallana and Coutinho bottle it, that much is very clear to me now.

I don't think you can blame Clyne as much yesterday. Physically, he was up to the challenge against Bolasie and co. and could match them for pace. His passing is not great, particularly in the final third, but he was one of the few players who didn't shirk away from a physical battle yesterday. He should have done better for their qinner, but so should Firmino and Mignolet should definitely be dealing with it better IMO. He dithered all game, and I wasn't surprised he pushed it back on to the place of play.

I also think it's about time the senior players and players bought in for the "now" start performing. Lallana, Milner, Firmino and Coutinho needs to step it up, and Moreno and Can needs to stop making stupid mistakes.

09 Nov 2015 11:54:35
Can't say I agree there AG, Clyne got bullied by Bolasie at times and was rash in challenges Ibe covered a hell of a lot of ground atoning for Clynes errors, there was 1 incident in the box where Clyne simply gets outmuscled and thankfully Skrtel covers. Clynes lack of decent timed overlaps led the Ibe constantly cutting in on his left. Even looking at the goal, where Clyne doe overlap, Ibe has to take 3 extra touches waiting 3 seconds for the overlap, shooting Clyne a look of ''where the F*ck are you. ''

Zaha had him in his pocket too, once again Clyne barely got near the ball. We were lucky for me Souare doesn't get forward a lot me, when he did they looked good, every one two, clyne lost bolasie.

I don't get what he was doing on that second goal, people can blame Migs poor push all they want, at least he mvoed Clyne was a statue the entire 5 seconds it unfolded.

I would advise that next time LFC play, people just take 20/30 minutes out from following the ball, to just following Clyne.
He really needs to step up, otherwise once again Ibe's going to get isolated, while Clyne stay about 10 yards in front of the half way line. I'll admit I never saw the need for Clyne not at £12.5 million, but I was promised he could attack at least even if not competent at defending. ATM he's not competent at either, and the praise being heaped on him is not merited.

I don't want to turn into Harry and be a dog with a bone. So I will try to leave this, but I am not going to sit an entertain ideas he has played well recently, which for me is baseless.

{Ed001's Note - that is why I am not getting involved in this, but I fully agree with you boba.}

09 Nov 2015 13:01:14
Apart from the Europa league, I think the last two weeks would have been the worst time to play us? Finally got some confidence and playing better, won 3 on the trott unbeaten in a while. More of a Bogey team than we have in the rest of the league at the moment for me.

09 Nov 2015 19:02:24
i agree with the poster who said CP always play us at the right time when we`re low on confidence and having a bad run even tho, we created enuff chances to beat them yeasterday but the created enuff chances to beat them but poor finishing as well as mental mistakes are killing us at the moment.

09 Nov 2015 06:14:21
I hate to break it to you, but Liverpool will lose a match every now and again. That's football.
But for us to win almost all our games, it will take more than our team, more than a good manager. It will take Anfield to be what it was before.
I have never been to Anfield, but growing up as a Liverpool fan, we all knew Anfield was a fortress. We all saw the sign "This is Anfield"m we all heard from opposition teams that Anfield was the hardest place to visit. We all know that the Anfield crowd was the 12th man on the field.
What has happened? Our team stopped winning the league? Fell out of the top 4? So does that give us reason to stop supporting? NO! It should make us support more! It should make us sing louder! Make us shout more! And never ever walk out before a match is over!
Its frustrating when we lose, but we are still Liverpool! We chose this team, we stand by this team!

09 Nov 2015 07:12:33
It's more than that mate and to ignore the pricing of the working man out of the game is naive.

How did Roy Keane put it "prawn sandwich brigade"

09 Nov 2015 13:21:51
Ron - we're hardly the most expensive club around so how do you explain that almost no other clubs have this problem? Stop blaming everyone else and look in the mirror occasionally.

09 Nov 2015 19:36:57
You ever been to the Emirates? Or old trafford? Or Stamford Bridge?

Now did you go to those clubs grounds 25 years ago?

If you did then you will know this is not just a problem in Liverpool, where the average wage is lower than London.

If you deny the facts then how about you turn up for a season?

09 Nov 2015 05:34:05
1. In just over a month Klopp has been here, he has had to manage 7 games in 3 competitions, and has had next to little time to prepare teams for the games never mind imprint what he wants his teams to do in general. He has already said that now is not the time for big changes, and he has only "turned small screws" as he targets results.

2. Major long term injuries cannot be over-looked. Gomez, Ings, Flanagan, Henderson, Rossitter, Sturridge all have not even played for Klopp yet, as well as short term injuries to the likes of Lovren, Sakho, Toure, Allen, Randall and Benteke in the last month or so. Whichever way you look at it, that is a lot of missing players while the new manager is trying to integrate what he wants slowly with games every 3-4 days.

3. Individual errors. IMO this is the biggest problem so far. The other 2 problems will definitely get better, but individually, players keep making mistakes. Add to this that there are some senior players who simply cannot step it up or show improvement and all of sudden, it looks impressive that Klopp has got us playing half decent attacking stuff, and has been getting results. Mignolet, Milner and Lallana struggle for efficacy and Emre Can, Moreno keep making individual errors.

As the season goes on, Klopp will learn more about the players and what they can and cannot do, and while I think he will not make any changes in January as he will continue to trust his players, I won't be surprised if some of them will be sold in the summer. I think it is getting clearer and clearer that CL qualification maybe beyond us at this point.

09 Nov 2015 05:45:23
The club will not survive with out CL for another year. The swift change in manager was to achieve this target.
We just cannot write off every season with excuses.

09 Nov 2015 06:51:15
The club will have no problem surviving without CL football for another year. It is not ideal and far from the requisite and you are in part right when you say that Klopp was bought in to achieve immediate results, but I see no need to bleat about it, as with Klopp we have an outstanding manager, who will get things right.

09 Nov 2015 07:07:25
Agreed AG. The essence of the game is still to outscore the opponent, no matter how much you micro analyze every game. I have been thinking top 4 will be difficult even when we were getting draws, and more so, now. We need 40-50 goals from the strikers and attacking midfielders positions, for the season. And it does not look like it will happen.

09 Nov 2015 19:16:23
Spot on with your assessment AG! as for top 4 being possible or not, I wouldn`t write off this season just yet due to the level of parity (or inconsistency) amongst teams in the EPL right now. from firt to tenth is 9 points. That is nothing really especially if you have 26 games left. Klopp may be saying all he`s saying BUT he sets us out to try and win games and makes no excuses when we don`t. I love that about him. Many may have written us and or the season off BUT I tell Klopp hasn`t hence, I haven`t for the seasons I mentioned above. We have 7 more games toill mid season. let's see where we are then anf we can judge what we can achieve going into Jan. keep the faith lads because we now have a manager we can trust, who`s accountable and wants to win every game he plays.

09 Nov 2015 03:54:51
Personally i think Klopp made a mistake in taking emre off for firmino. It left Lucas all alone in the middle. We had no box to box midfielder and i think allen for can would of been better and lallana off for firmino. Lallana had a good game but imo he is slow and wasteful and we should get rid in the summer before he has no re sale value. Agree? Disagree? Also, I think we were unlucky not to win to be honest. We played well but again skrtel makes me want to cry when he turns his back on bolasies shot. If that was carra his eyes wouldn't have moved from the ball and he would of tried to block it. I do not like skrtel and never have. Would rather have Richards from villa. Agree?

09 Nov 2015 04:37:44
Let's give a bit of credit to Pakace.

Before the Match Padrew was asked about his chance and his said just one line.
We have pace and that has always killed us in the past.
Wide players with excellent pace to eat our full backs.

09 Nov 2015 04:43:50
We were the better team.

09 Nov 2015 05:05:01
I thought it was refreshing to see Klopp go for the win when the scores were 1-1 by putting in Firmino, and honestly, we created enough chances to win that game easy but poor finishing cost us. Take nothing away from Palace who were excellent, in our face and made us work really hard, and frankly, some of those players couldn't deal with being pushed including Moreno, Lallana and Coutinho. It also doesn't help when we keep making individual mistakes such as Moreno, Can and Mignolet did for their goals.

09 Nov 2015 08:15:50
What about that pace led to the goals exactly harry? There were some rank errors defensively and from set pieces but the pace did not trouble us.

09 Nov 2015 00:17:47
Hey, thought i would give my thoughts on the game, sorry for the essay. I'll start with overall impressions and then some analysis of the players.
Overall i thought we were the better team but Palace had a few players we just couldn't handle and we didn't have anyone who stepped up to drive us on. That, combined with a poor performance by 2 players, meant that we couldn't seal the win.
Onto the players.
Mignolet was the same as always, couldn't do anything with the goals but his distribution was poor and needlessly increased the pressure on our defence.
Clyne was okay, didn't do anything wrong but doesn't seem willing to take those risks in attack that could lead to something special.
Moreno was good but needs to make sure he looks up before he receives the ball as some of his crosses are just hit in hope. When he does look up can produce a good ball.
Skrtel was fine, dame problem with over-committing wide but overall pretty good.
Sakho and Lovren were both fine, if unspectacular.
lucas was good but seemed to struggle with the pace of the Palace attack.
Can showed immaturity with his positioning and decision making. This is common with young players but really cost us today.
Coutinho looked much better, like his old self. he is suffering from the lack of movement in front of him.
Lallana just takes too many touches but is good when he plays the ball quickly.
Ibe was fantastic but didn't have the movement to create the spaces in the back 4 for him to drive into.
Benteke was poor. He seems to not want to attack the space and give people an option for the cross. Instead he just waits for the ball which makes him easier to defend. his movement on the edge of the box is also poor. SHould have done much better with his 2 chances.
Firmino was good, his movement really helps create space and open the game. Should, in my view, be starting.
Hopefully we can do better next time, but we are only 2-3 players short of being a top class team.
YNWA.

09 Nov 2015 04:32:19
Benteke was not poor, you obesevational skills are poor in my opinion. he's still a New signing and was injured a week ago, hamstring. If he had scored that header to put us 2-1 up and we saw out the game you would probably be saying he was immense. Can was poor, as was Skrtel and Mignolet. The only mistake he made was not hitting that coutinho pass first time on his right foot instead of taking a touch then trying with his left. . maybe if we actually gave him good service he would find the space but how many of our players made runs beyond benteke to give him some space? He was upfront all alone. No?

{Ed001's Note - he did miss a couple of easy chances though, which suggests it was him not the service. He did have an off day, at least I hope it was an off day, where he couldn't have hit the side of a barn. Hopefully he will make it up for it over the next few games, as he has been fairly clinical so far for us.}

09 Nov 2015 04:41:06
Our midfielders always struggle against pace, Used to be Aston villa. Liverpool overlook Pace.

09 Nov 2015 06:06:03
I was just trying to point out my views on this game, I'm sure Benteke will improve and he was certainly better in previous appearances. But he wasnt hitting the target today, and he was a bit isolated. But that doesn't change that fact that he should have done better with his chances and gambled more with his movement. I know movement is not his strength, but when we are passing the ball around the edge of the box he is basically static. You are right, if he had scored i would be saying he had a good game, he's a striker that's his job. However i do agree we need firmino to start as his movement lifts the whole attack.

09 Nov 2015 06:30:03
Reshi

There lies the problem. Klopp rates Lallana but you simply cannot play all 4 ( PC, Firmino, Ibe, Lallana ) behind Benteke. Someone has to be dropped.

09 Nov 2015 07:23:55
European Glory
I agree completely, its going to be even harder to decide when you also have Sturridge competing with Benteke. All we have to hope is that Klopp knows what he's doing and plays the right players for each game.

09 Nov 2015 19:20:08
Reshi, when will Studge compete with Benteke on a regular basis with him being injured anytime he virtually rolls out of bed?

09 Nov 2015 22:47:24
Redohio, god only knows but we can hope, right?