Liverpool Banter Archive September 09 2010

 

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09 Sep 2010 23:14:55
Reina
Johnson Carra Agger Konchesky

Lucas Mereiles

Maxi. Gerrard. Babel/ Pacheco

Torres

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 22:51:17
Only worry I have if RBS decide to sell the debt on, is that due to the knocked down price, we could again attract the wrong type of owners who see it as a quick profit making opportunity. I hope I'm wrong!

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 22:16:53

09 Sep 2010 21:35:28

Hate the way RBS think they can play bully boy tactics with our owners! The Banks were bailed out and the GOV said they shud lend now they don't want to?

All I can say if these bankers sieze the club then SEE YOU IN COURT and I will be one fan standing shoulder to shoulder with Hicks and Gillete as they take on the bully boys!

If it takes years to win this battle so be it.

ANGRY FAN

What RBS is doing is good news as they are putting more pressure on H&G you FOOL!

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:57:40

All I can say if these bankers sieze the club then SEE YOU IN COURT and I will be one fan standing shoulder to shoulder with Hicks and Gillete as they take on the bully boys!
Dont embarrass yourelf cos when the 3 of you are stood there, we'll know who you are. the 1 in the middle with the blue scarf!

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:51:48
Hate the way RBS think they can play bully boy tactics with our owners! The Banks were bailed out and the GOV said they shud lend now they don't want to?

All I can say if these bankers sieze the club then SEE YOU IN COURT and I will be one fan standing shoulder to shoulder with Hicks and Gillete as they take on the bully boys!

If it takes years to win this battle so be it.

ANGRY FAN

Idiot!

Dirks Engine Room

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:51:26

Hi ed,
i beleive you have contacts with the club,
do you have any names on the supposed
interested buyers?
thanks again malta.

{EDITOR'S NOTE:The main ed is not on at the min}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:43:22

He also offered it in a better financial climate that what we are currently experiencing.
I remember reading that the Sheikh felt spurned when his offer was rejected and that he would not revisit the deal. Maybe it is a matter of pride.

BTW I would like him to invest!

Dirks Engine Room


It sounds like it's offical Dirks he wouldn't be dealing with H&G he or whoever will be dealing with RBS.

Tonights news about the banks moving the loans to their Global Restructering Funds for me is massive, massive news as we know now since the whole process of the sale started what is actually happening at our Great Club.

Bidders/ Buyers step forward please!

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:42:48

If Markus von Hohenzollern-Viet's business plan works out and he takes control of the club, then it will belong to him and he will be able to do with it what he wants.
The fact that he's an arms dealer will not matter a jot.
Well Said. .An arms dealer. .what was Dial Square? nobody moaned at them. we could change our name to Liverpool Arsenal?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:35:28

Hate the way RBS think they can play bully boy tactics with our owners! The Banks were bailed out and the GOV said they shud lend now they don't want to?

All I can say if these bankers sieze the club then SEE YOU IN COURT and I will be one fan standing shoulder to shoulder with Hicks and Gillete as they take on the bully boys!

If it takes years to win this battle so be it.

ANGRY FAN

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:31:17
That is probably the case Dirks but when Sheikh Mohammed/ DIC were interested they saw LFC as a good buisness aquaisiton which it will be IF we get New Owners.

When Sheikh Mohammed offered 500 mill he did not do it just for his love of the club. His offer was also buisness orientated so why not put an offer in now IF he could get LFC/ Buiness cheaper?

Blair Mayne YNWA

He also offered it in a better financial climate that what we are currently experiencing.
I remember reading that the Sheikh felt spurned when his offer was rejected and that he would not revisit the deal. Maybe it is a matter of pride.

BTW I would like him to invest!

Dirks Engine Room

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:20:32

This nonsense about Moores is spiraling out of control!
Lir it or not - he owned the club.
He sold it.
He pocketed the money.
That's business.
The banks do what they like but that's with OUR money.
Moores was entitled in a business manner to take the money for goods he owned.
Get over it!

If Markus von Hohenzollern-Viet's business plan works out and he takes control of the club, then it will belong to him and he will be able to do with it what he wants.
The fact that he's an arms dealer will not matter a jot.
Like Moores, as an owner of the club, Viett will be able to do what he wants - that is business!

 

 

09 Sep 2010 21:19:58

Maybe the Sheikh feels that his offer was the best on the table then and was not accepted and so feels why should he bail us out now.

Dirks Engine Room


That is probably the case Dirks but when Sheikh Mohammed/ DIC were interested they saw LFC as a good buisness aquaisiton which it will be IF we get New Owners.

When Sheikh Mohammed offered 500 mill he did not do it just for his love of the club. His offer was also buisness orientated so why not put an offer in now IF he could get LFC/ Buiness cheaper?

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:58:17

09 Sep 2010 14:17:31

The standard of spelling on this website is appealling?

Well the standard of your smelling is APPALLING!

YNWA
TUT TUT. . .paddy mayne your the same.
poet an i didn't even know it

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:45:49
Nearly 2 years ago Sheikh Mohammed personally offered 500 mill for LFC and then was shafted by Hicks as we all know. This is when DIC was hit by the recession so Sheikh Mohammed persued his interest in LFC with his own personal wealth remember Amanda Stavely sitting in the LFC directors box?

My point is i can't believe Sheikh Mohammed is not interested now?

If he was prepared to pay 500 mill then and prepared to build the Stadium etc, He being the shrewd buisness man we know he is would know that he could probably get LFC a lot cheaper now. And if i remember he did not take the 500 mill of the table he left it there. ED maybe you can help me out with the 500 mill still being on the table or when it was taking off? As DIC gave a statement that they would not be buying LFC but nothing about Sheikh Mohammed as Amanda Stavely was acting on his behalf not DIC. So IF we see Amanda Stavely in the next few weeks at Anfield then start praying she brings an end to this storm.

I just can't believe this guy is not there with a bid IF we have any or at least monitoring the situation.

Probably just wishful thinking!

Blair Mayne YNWA


Maybe the Sheikh feels that his offer was the best on the table then and was not accepted and so feels why should he bail us out now.

Dirks Engine Room

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:42:09

Terry wogan is to take over lfc

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:42:09

Moores and Parry are to blame for the mess we are in now!

They should have took the DIC offer and when they got into financial trouble Sheikh Mohammed would have took the club on personally.

If Moores and Parry took the DIC offer we would probably have our New Stadium now or moving to it next season with a fantastic squad of players and probably be favourite's to win the League with Rafa still at the helm or Mourinho.

Q. Why did Moores and Parry take the H&G offer?

A. MORE H*CKING MONEY!

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:35:42
You are correct Ed, i could have gone on a right rant, but i've done that in the past and didn't really want to repeat myself.

However i will keep reminding some of supporters who may not be up to speed with the performances of Moores and Parry.

I'll finish with the (quite humerous now) fact that Moores stated the official reason he chose the lying yonks over D.I.C was that D.I.C 'refused' to remove the clause that 7 years after the sale of the club, they reserved the right to sell the club on and Moores was frightened for the security of the club!

All together now. .ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. What a complete and utter tool.

And team for Sunday Reina, Kelly, Konchesky, Agger, Carragher, Jovanovic, Lucas, Poulsen, Gerrard, Torres, Johnston.

Bob the Red

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:29:15

Nearly 2 years ago Sheikh Mohammed personally offered 500 mill for LFC and then was shafted by Hicks as we all know. This is when DIC was hit by the recession so Sheikh Mohammed persued his interest in LFC with his own personal wealth remember Amanda Stavely sitting in the LFC directors box?

My point is i can't believe Sheikh Mohammed is not interested now?

If he was prepared to pay 500 mill then and prepared to build the Stadium etc, He being the shrewd buisness man we know he is would know that he could probably get LFC a lot cheaper now. And if i remember he did not take the 500 mill of the table he left it there. ED maybe you can help me out with the 500 mill still being on the table or when it was taking off? As DIC gave a statement that they would not be buying LFC but nothing about Sheikh Mohammed as Amanda Stavely was acting on his behalf not DIC. So IF we see Amanda Stavely in the next few weeks at Anfield then start praying she brings an end to this storm.

I just can't believe this guy is not there with a bid IF we have any or at least monitoring the situation.

Probably just wishful thinking!

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:25:13

Very good article on the Guardian website - says RBS have placed LFC into their 'toxic debts' management division, indicating they will deal much more firmly with H+G.
Why would they do this if a takeover was about to be announced? It makes no sense, they would want to allow things to happen smoothly. It says to me that actually there have been successful or credible bids, and this is a precusror to RBS making an attempt to take control of the club.
There was no mention of this guaranteed credit from Barcap, in fact it said H+G tried to refinance using the US assets in June but were overruled by the Board. I'm now wondering if the Barcap credit really is true- hgiow come the Guardian never mentioned it?
RBS have the power to put the club in administration but of course that will damage the value of their asset, so they will try to force H+G out in some other way (didnt say what method, which is a bit worrying), and then they'll offload the club for the price of the debt.
So the canny bidders could now get LFC for a knockdown 237 million(?) shortly after 6 Oct, with RBSs toxic debt managers making the sale themselves. Any bidders will have nothing further to gain after 6 Oct by waiting longer, so maybe we will see a flurry of bids to RBS?
I don't think there has been a successful bidder or RBS wouldn't have made this latest move, surely? So the few weeks after 6th Oct looks likely to be very interesting. Any thoughts Ed?

{Editor's Note: The answer will likely be middle ground. Not a cheap sale to whoever comes alomg as the Guardian suggests - that is the worst case scenario for the club. Not the endless re-finacing or endless extension of the loans, but perhaps a managed sale that is in the best interests of the club over the next few months. I remain in hope that everything will be resolved to the satisfication of all.}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:09:14
I have to argue the toss over the Moores 'is a nice guy, good business man' comments. Firstly Moores sold the club down the river for one thing and one thing only. .greed. He and Plick Parry voted for the highest bid and not the best bid. It is of no surprise to find that the bid gave them more money in their back pockets.

Furthermore, the performance of Moores and Parry in particular, along with the appointment of Souness, was instrumental in clubs like manure surging ahead of us on and off the field. I'm not going into detail about the inadequacies of Parry, my feelings about him are well known. Moores couldn't run a pi* up in a brewery. In the 21st Century we still had our commercial department in a room above The Sandon pub FFS.

And if Moores wasn't greedy and wanted the best for the club, why did he point blank refuse Steve Morgan's offer, a true fan who has proved how to run a club the right way, and then run him out of the club? The reason? No dosh in it for him whatsoever.

Every minute Moores and Parry were at the helm we sank lower. I'm sure Moores thought the selling of the club to the two Yanks with the big mouths and bigger lies would have left him with a legacy that it was he, the mighty Moores who put these two great owners in charge of the club. It was he, the great Moores who ensured the club would rule the World for next decade.

Alas everything comes home to roost eventually eh Moores? Now every second the yanks stay here it is a further reminder to all fans of what Moores did to our club.

Long may he suffer whilst counting his money.

Bob the Red {ed's note - I think you are being overly nice to Moores myself. That 'man' is the worst thing ever to happen to the club, he is a leech who sucked the lifeblood from the club while in charge and carried on doing so after he sold the club for millions which he never earnt.}

 

 

09 Sep 2010 20:01:36

RE: David Moores

Like all good liverpool scouser, david thought he had managed to pull the wool over hicks+Gillett (by selling a club that had 50million debit) and getting £5000 x 17000 shares. The man didn't care, he was walking to the bank with 85million in his pocket.
The fans had empty promise of new stadium. i knew then that these people wouldn't live up to the promise and man-u situation would develop.
But in the short term liverpool would get a couple of star players like Torres + Mascherano and we would have more years of Champions Leg football and chance at premiership title.

David Moores had his money and he knew what he had done to liverpool. I can't blame him for selling, he was too poor to own the club and keep investing.

The people he sold it to was so he could make more money. Hicks+Gillett leveraged buy-out was reason moores got so much for the club.

DIC wouldn't of paid so much. They knew building a new stadium would cost them, and they would investiaged the 50million in debit ect.

The world markets + credit crunch + high intrest rates have forced the hand of two people who are very good at borrowing money to purchase business.

Hicks+Gillett personally have lost money and make money over the years by doing leveraged. Wealthy people are never as wealthy as they claim to be.

And like everyone one else, the bank is where they go to get money. Hicks+Gillett seem to be at an age where they have been purchaing sports clubs as a past time. Never really serious about them.

Both of them have lost their american sports assets. being forced to sell to pay the banks.

city people like Hicks+Gillett will be around forever.

But if it was me, i would of used 300million to purchase insurance compnaies that create money as a product. Invested that to purchase liverpool.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 19:50:13

Liverpool Team to play Birmingham:

. . . . . . . . . . . .Riena
Johnson. . Carragher. .Agger. . Konchesky

Maxi. . . Meireles. .Poulsen. . . Jovanovic

. . . . . . . . Gerrard
. . . . . . . . . . . Torres

Subs:Jones, Skrtel, Kelly, Lucas, Babel, Pacheco, xxxxxx

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 19:32:56
He better not sell aqualani :(

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 18:56:22

09 Sep 2010 18:33:55
Kenny haung was a publicity stunt and buying liverpool £565 million seemed to be a waste of money because they could make more money buying something sensible. As it was a media publicity stunt. I love the idea.
Why bother bother buying a over priced club (£565 million). The break value is no way near that value. Only a Fan or Idiot would bother buying liverpool football club at that price.

The football and business model is rubbish. Arsenal have better squad, good youth policy, great manager, new stadium. Plus a whole load of luxury flats to sell. they sell star players for a profit and replace them with young talent. All round better run club and good investment deal for that kind of money. (liverpool could learn from)

If any investor purchases the club, then 100million is owed to RBS and would have to be paid first + (Hick's & Gillette want 500million (double your money deal))
250m debit + 500m = 750million of debit against the club if leveraged by bank such as Barclay capital to pay off RBS.

City Analysis Value the LFC at £350million top value. top amount any bank would allow it to be valued at. Break up value is far less.

I will thank Kenny Huang because:
*Huang so far has managed to stop a player exodus at LFC with takeover talk and private meeting with key players. (Gerrard + Torres)
He also went directly to RBS to try and force a sale through. Some kind of 100million down-payment on debit paid directly to RBS and refinancing deal

Hick's & Gillette (500million profit) in back-pocket. Is impossible and greedy. I think the Club is vary over valued.

If a seat at lfc generated £1000per season from fans £1000 x 45000 seats = 45million x 3years. =135million + playing squad worth 100million + 40million prem tv money + £8million Europa League prize/ tv money

I wouldn't value the club at more than £283million.
This doesn't take into account the wages these players earn.(125k a week)
Plus the new stadium would cost £350million to build on top.

champions leg money was worth £114 million to Liverpool in prize/ tv money historically (which is gone now)
Europa League (Fulham , earned £8million last season prize/ tv money) final
1st £49.3m *tv money - premiership
2nd£45.6m
3rd £47m
4th £45.4m
5th £42.1m
6th £42.3m
7th £40.2m

nornally liverpool would make 45 + 114 + 45.4 = 203.4m - 163m costs = 40million for new players

*Hick + Gillete want 500million
*Liverpool FC - which owes two banks £350m (Royal Bank Scotland & Wachovia of the US)
*Stanley Park Stadium cost £350 million
*New Player £100million *extra

If a suitable buyer isn't found

Could RBS float liverpool football club on london stock exchange to recover the money owed to them and raise money for new stadium.

is this possible?


In agreement with large parts of this post but PLEASE remember that most of the debt owed to the two banks is because Moores and Parry accepted a buyout by H&G paid for by borrowing from the banks as opposed to using thier own private wealth.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 18:33:55
Kenny haung was a publicity stunt and buying liverpool £565 million seemed to be a waste of money because they could make more money buying something sensible. As it was a media publicity stunt. I love the idea.
Why bother bother buying a over priced club (£565 million). The break value is no way near that value. Only a Fan or Idiot would bother buying liverpool football club at that price.

The football and business model is rubbish. Arsenal have better squad, good youth policy, great manager, new stadium. Plus a whole load of luxury flats to sell. they sell star players for a profit and replace them with young talent. All round better run club and good investment deal for that kind of money. (liverpool could learn from)

If any investor purchases the club, then 100million is owed to RBS and would have to be paid first + (Hick's & Gillette want 500million (double your money deal))
250m debit + 500m = 750million of debit against the club if leveraged by bank such as Barclay capital to pay off RBS.

City Analysis Value the LFC at £350million top value. top amount any bank would allow it to be valued at. Break up value is far less.

I will thank Kenny Huang because:
*Huang so far has managed to stop a player exodus at LFC with takeover talk and private meeting with key players. (Gerrard + Torres)
He also went directly to RBS to try and force a sale through. Some kind of 100million down-payment on debit paid directly to RBS and refinancing deal

Hick's & Gillette (500million profit) in back-pocket. Is impossible and greedy. I think the Club is vary over valued.

If a seat at lfc generated £1000per season from fans £1000 x 45000 seats = 45million x 3years. =135million + playing squad worth 100million + 40million prem tv money + £8million Europa League prize/ tv money

I wouldn't value the club at more than £283million.
This doesn't take into account the wages these players earn.(125k a week)
Plus the new stadium would cost £350million to build on top.

champions leg money was worth £114 million to Liverpool in prize/ tv money historically (which is gone now)
Europa League (Fulham , earned £8million last season prize/ tv money) final
1st £49.3m *tv money - premiership
2nd£45.6m
3rd £47m
4th £45.4m
5th £42.1m
6th £42.3m
7th £40.2m

nornally liverpool would make 45 + 114 + 45.4 = 203.4m - 163m costs = 40million for new players

*Hick + Gillete want 500million
*Liverpool FC - which owes two banks £350m (Royal Bank Scotland & Wachovia of the US)
*Stanley Park Stadium cost £350 million
*New Player £100million *extra

If a suitable buyer isn't found

Could RBS float liverpool football club on london stock exchange to recover the money owed to them and raise money for new stadium.

is this possible?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 16:43:36

Just to add my little bit to the argument that ended with:

(moores and Parry sold to the wrong people.
I accept that.
They did it with the best intentions of the club - probably, but it backfired on them.
Money-grabbers?
No - Moores' family owned the club. He wasn't going to give it away!
Grow up and accept that it was mistake, but not one borne out by greed but by poor business and probably observational defecits)

I don't think Rick Parry had the best intentions of the club, only my opinion of course, I also think Moores is a nice fellow who made a mistake, again only my opinion. Some might argue though, that he had a responsibility to thoroughly investigate the new owners, but again he made a mistake. My cynicism for Mr Parry however has come about since I found out that he received a finder's fee for finding Hicks and Gillette. In any other way of life that is called a back hander. Pointless argument anyway we got bought and are now owned by the Hicks and Gillette all we can really do is wait and see. Martin Broughton hasn't actually broke his promise yet, He said when he got appointed we will almost certainly be sold by Christmas so here's hoping.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 16:11:41

I find it funny that people come on here and say d.i.c are going to buy liverpool.
d.i.c are in a worse state than the yanks!
so be realistic with the rumors
if any rich arab/ consortium was going to buy liverpool it would be shiekh mohammed al rhaktoum, who tried to buy us in the past which was WITH D.I.C not part of them.
Dan.
p.s i found it funny when i got slated for saying kenny huang isn't as rich as what everyone is making him out to be, and when i said he wasn't going to buy liverpool i got slated again!

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 15:50:37

"There's fans from other clubs on here laughing their t1ts off, at how gullible you are. Use your heads a bit more for goodness sake and don't believe every bloody thing you read, let alone on here."

I don't believe a word of the grammatically poorly constructed rubbish you've been writing on here today!

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 15:42:06

09 Sep 2010 15:33:34

Anyone heard the rumour that one extremely wealthy owner of a top English Premier League team has explored with the FA, the possiblity of selling his interest in his present football club and then making a bid to buy Liverpool? No names mentioned but could it be from one of our rivals? Ambramovich or Kroenke or Usmanov or Steve Morgan?

IT HAS BEEN SAID AMBRAMOVICH HAS BECOME DISINTERESTED AND INFURIATED WITH PROGRESS WITH CHELSEA. COULD HE BELIEVE HE HAS TAKEN CHELSEA AS FAR AS HE CAN.
BOTH KROENKE AND USMANOV COULD HAVE BECOME INFURIATED BY NOT BEING ABLE TO GAIN FULL CONTROL AT ARSENAL.
BUT IS STEVE MORGAN WEALTHY ENOUGH TO BUY LIVERPOOL?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 15:36:30

09 Sep 2010 15:23:59

When I said the fella from DIC I ment the man himself not the company

I CAN'T BELIEVE SHEIKH MAKTOUM WOULD WANT TO PERSONALLY NEGOTIATE WITH H&G. I THINK HE'D SEND HIS REPRESENTATIVES. COULD THIS BE KEITH HARRIS AND/ OR AMANDA STAVELEY.

 

 

09 Sep 2010 15:33:34

Anyone heard the rumour that one extremely wealthy owner of a top English Premier League team has explored with the FA, the possiblity of selling his interest in his present football club and then making a bid to buy Liverpool? No names mentioned but could it be from one of our rivals? Ambramovich or Kroenke or Usmanov or Steve Morgan?

 

 

09 Sep 2010 15:31:18
"Just cos you ain't read it or listened to it, don't mean it ain't real!"

Of course it doesn't, but everyday some joker comes on here making up a new buyer or target - some so crazy, it must be a creative writing student from manchester - and you fools fall for it and waste days of your life getting excited. How many incorrect posts does it take for you to learn your lesson?

There's fans from other clubs on here laughing their t1ts off, at how gullible you are. Use your heads a bit more for goodness sake and don't believe every bloody thing you read, let alone on here.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 15:24:34

09 Sep 2010 14:37:53
This is theturdz speaking
sheikh mohammad al maktoum is one of the most honest men that you will ever meet as ive got a friend who is travelling head lad for the racehorse trainer michael stout and he has met him a few times and my mate says he is very polite to all the lads in the yard no matter what rung of the ladder they are on he is a true gentleman now when he was on the verge of doing the deal to takeover lfc last time he shook hands with david moores and they come to a gentlemans agreement that they would take over club. . . .

AT LAST! A GENTLEMAN WITH HONOUR. A MAN THAT TREATS ALL PEOPLE WITH RESPECT. A LIVERPOOL FAN. ALSO A MASSIVELY WEALTHY MAN. EVERYTHING THE NEW CUSTODIAN OF THE CLUB SHOULD BE.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 15:23:59

When I said the fella from DIC I ment the man himself not the company

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:53:10

Can't believe the bile from theturdz!

"Moores is now hated in the Arab world!"
Source?
Facts?
Said by whom and when?
And most Westerners are hated in the Arab world anyway!

" . man born with a silver spoon in his mouth and knows f*ck all about what its like to work your arse off to provide food for your family.this is the really annoying thing he didn't need the extra £8 million . ."

What has that got to do with selling the club?
Fact: Moores worked for may years before he took over the business and did provide for his family!
What the hell has his work ethic got to do with selling the club?
Nothing!
"Didn't need the extra £8 million. ."
You knowledgeable his wealth, his commitments, his debts?
No!
You sound like another of the Working Class Warriors that know nothing outside of your own little environment.

Moores and Parry sold to the wrong people.
I accept that.
They did it with the best intentions of the club - probably, but it backfired on them.
Money-grabbers?
No - Moores' family owned the club. He wasn't going to give it away!
Grow up and accept that it was mistake, but not one borne out by greed but by poor business and probably observational defecits.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:37:53
This is theturdz speaking
sheikh mohammad al maktoum is one of the most honest men that you will ever meet as ive got a friend who is travelling head lad for the racehorse trainer michael stout and he has met him a few times and my mate says he is very polite to all the lads in the yard no matter what rung of the ladder they are on he is a true gentleman now when he was on the verge of doing the deal to takeover lfc last time he shook hands with david moores and they come to a gentlemans agreement that they would take over club.then at the eleventh hour gillett who coundnt find the money on his own roped in his side kick hicks who got the guarantees sorted to prove funds were in place they then got in touch with parry and said they would pay £5,000 per share and do deal straight away without due diligence this gave mooores extra £8million profit on the deal and moores jumped at the chance of extra money and signed the contracts. now as this is all going on the reps from dic were trying to get in touch with moores and parry to finalise the deal which the shiekh and moores had shook on. but they wouldn't even return their calls now parry put out all rumours tha dic were only looking at a 7 year plan then would sell up and all other lies about dic all of which was nonsense now this is were the shiekh was really upset he was used as a pawn by parry and moores in order to get a better price for the club and that was the final staw for him he told his reps to abandon any more talks with moores and parry and walk away now its moores and parry who have to carry the can for this mess but they couldnt careless about the state the club is in they have thier money and f*cking lots of it that staement moores released in the times saying that he was lied to was a pile of s* te from a f*cking dimwit a man born with a silver spoon in his mouth and knows f*ck all about what its like to work your arse off to provide food for your family.this is the really annoying thing he didn't need the extra £8 million why do the dirty on a man whose full intensions were known that he was ready to invest millions into the club to get them back were they belong and he guaranteed to build the new stadium these were the facts and moores just ignored them well now moores is hated in the arab world men like him have no morals or scruples and people like the shiekh and his family will never do business with his like again they see it as when 2 men shake hands and agree on something that is binding and only dishonourble men would renage on such a deal this is what moores is.and lfc have been destroyed by his actions i hope he hangs his head in shame and never darkens the corridoors of anfield again if anfieldis still there because as things look these 2 yanks are looking to asset strip the whole club if not use the assets to borrow more money were will it ll end and were will it leave lfc?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:29:00
09 Sep 2010 10:28:47
IN RESPONSE TO THIS.

What's people's thinking of the central midfield/ second striker formation when we have a fully fit squad?

I read on LFC website that Alan Hansen likens Raul Meireles to Terry McDermott; so with Meireles, Gerrard, J Cole, Poulsen and Lucas in the team will Roy play Gerrard further forward (as I can't see him playing Gerrard and Meireles as neither would hold (unless asked)?

Also a good piece about Roy and stating the squad was too big (and still is) and moving players along that are too old for the reserves but not likely to be playing first team football (i.e. El Zhar, Plessis).

I'm still hoping we get a forward and a winger though in January!

MEIRELES CAN DO THE HOLDING ROLE, ALTHOUGH HE IS NOT QUITE THE 'DESTROYER' OF MASCH HE IS MORE LIKE ALONSO AND CAN PICK A PASS, BUT LIKE STEVIE HAS A GREAT ENGINE AND LOVES A TACKLE AFTER WATCHING HIM AT WORLD CUPD HE LOOKS A GREAT BUY. AND YES I AGREE, NEXT UP, A TRUE WINGER WITH PACE AND A STRIKER. DONE! OGGY

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:21:13

Just a small clarification point which was already mentioned (I believe). The owners can ONLY refinance if they have a majority vote from the current board. As part of the last refinance deal with RBS the owners lost the right to veto or have specific rights by owning shares. For the Company Experts the rights attached to Ordinary Shares under Table A have been amended so that the shares have no power of veto and are only equivalent to one share.

Therefore the owners cannot just go ahead and refinance without board consent which is also the only way the a bid can be accepted or rejected. The owners could make a legal challenge but they would have to show that the current directors are not acting in the best interests of the company (The Club) and are no discharging their office of director with due care and skill. This will be extremely difficult to prove and add to their ever growing costs. I cannot see a legal challenge would be in their interests financially.

Also if RBS are serious about taking over the club why as a potential investor would you pay to buy the club right now when you can wait and save yourself millions by purchasing from RBS who would only be interested in clearing their debt. The owners have secured the debt against their shares and not the assets of the club and thus RBS would size control of the assets the debt is secured against which is the shares of the club making them new owners and then have the ability to sell at a price to get back their investment. This is like a mortgage is not secured against what is in the house but actually against the deeds of the house.

I hope that helps a little in understanding the state of play regarding the ownership and asset issue along with any concerns about refinancing. Also to give this a bit more validity, the Chairman MB stated clearly that the owners could not block (veto) any sale and that is because Kop Holdings Ltd have had their Table A amended to reflect shares and the rights attached to the shares.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:17:41
Not a rumour or really banter but a discussion.
i have been reading articles and comments from LFC fans all summer and the general feeling is that people were expecting fireworks in the transfer market but instead i beleive that we got good solid additions to a unblanced squad.
so i have seen lots of 'fans' complaining about sending aqua/ insua out on loan and using dalle valle in the konchesky deal. but think of it this way. . aqua was never going to cut it in the fast and physical premier league, insua allthough promising is not good enough NOW and dalle valle is a young prospect that may also never of made it (but just incase we have first refusal on him anway)
so we now have an experienced, hard working, balanced squad still missing some creativity but somewhat better than we had. oggy

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:17:31

The standard of spelling on this website is appealling?

Well the standard of your spelling is APPALLING!

YNWA

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:17:19

What you talking about mate and who you calling idiots?
Just cos you ain't read it or listened to it, don't mean it ain't real!
Wise ass!
Check your facts.
Lots of talk about lots of people buying the club and this German arms dealer is just one of them!

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 14:09:05

The people on here talking about the 'arms dealer', as if it is either real, acceptable, good - you are idiots. It was probably put on here as a joke, but yet again two days later - it's a fact. Never underestimate the levels stupidity of the average football fan.

Have any of you regulars not put two and two together yet - nonone on here has a clue what is happening regarding transfer rumours, let alone the buyout. As if anyone with real information, would be found wasting there time on this site. "Oh yeah, just finished my day of multi-million deal making, better pop onto football rumours to let 'em know what is happening". Give me strength.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:59:31

Ada Turan would be a good player for us and I'm pleased more people think along the same lines as me in giving the younger ones a real chance this year. We've got Eccleston and Amoo chomping at the bit and Suso and Pachecho worth a punt later in the season and in 'smaller' games.
If this guy Markus von Hohenzollern-Viett and the two USA investors do come in and buy the club, then we should straight away bid for Turan.
The idea he has of 'twinning' with Borussia Dortmund to develop youth players is great idea and I would love to see our promising youth players given the chance to play with Dortmund if they can't play regularly for us.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:53:43

Hi ed,
i beleive you have contacts
with the club, do you
have any names on the supposed
interested buyers?
thanks malta
{Editor's note - Sorry the Ed who has contacts in Liverpool is not online atm}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:49:06

Seems like we are about to lose out on another player who wishes to wear the liverpool shirt and play his heart out for it-Arda Turan. Atletico Madrid had a bid rejected on the last day of the transfer window and are plannin to open the transfer window with a higher bid, a rate which roy hodgson is unwilling to shell out! Take over please. Quick. . The legendary club is seriously sinking. . The only thing quite encouragin about the club at present is the crop of youngsters- like the spaniards pacheco, suso, ayala. But these guys are going to grow in the great club only to move out when they are 22 and beyond. These spaniards have done this in The past. Look at xabi alonso. Look where the club has taken him. Not to forget the argentine masch. Why is this happening? Cos the club is simply not winnin anythin. . Its high time we filled up our cabinet with some silverware and give these youngsters a reason to stay and blossom. I hear that torres is returning to full fitness, we couldnt have asked for more heartenin news. Cos fernando in form can win us the league single handedly! He almost brought us to top 4 last year with his late burst of 6-7 goals, unfortunately to get injured again. What the sports science guys should ensure now after he gets back to 100% is tat he goes to the next level of fitness. Jus imagine torres with the fitness of a drogba, one who would terrorize defenders not only with exotic footwork but also with the ability to hold 2 defenders without fallin and get past, one who would climb over send in bullet headers. Most importantly one who can play week in and week out. The effect of the new sports science guys can a judged if they succeed I this aspect on fernando.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:45:05

I am your old english teacher!

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:32:59

ED, please arrange them in descending order according to their possiblity to happen
"RBS extending the timescales, RBS refinancing, BarCap refinancing, someone else refinancing, the club being sold, part of the club being sold, liverpool not sold, RBS takeover liverpool" TQ

{Editor's Note: I think that you would do better to read through the archives for the last few days where much of this has been discussed.}

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:31:07

09 Sep 2010 09:52:12

09 Sep 2010 09:43:57

My mate works in the Dorchester in London and he says there are a suit of rooms booked next week for the fella from DIC (sorry can't pronounce his name never mind spell it) and a conference room adjacent this wad booked under the name of kop holdings. Belive it or not but that's what he said.

Sorry my friend I think DIC are abit skint at the moment they have lost alot in reason times and would never but money into a football now.

DIC have only lost money on paper, they are not skint, and they never will be.

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:21:40
Been away for a few days - just laughed out loud in office at our spelling post - absolute comic gold.

Anyway - no one thinking about the weekends game yet - Merieles or Konchesky to start - fancy both will make it in to the team

RED PADDY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:11:05

Ed:
I now think this arms dealer is the man who will take contol of the club and I disagree with you saying it will be later.
I think it will bne happen sooner rather than later and Roy will be then given money to strengthen the team in the next transfer window and bring in those young guns we need.

 

 

09 Sep 2010 13:10:53

I would love Eljero Elia at the club

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 12:56:11

09 Sep 2010 12:46:46

The standard of spelling on this website is appealling?


Woh gives a fluuck! You suond lkie my old Englosh taecher!

F*ck me i hated her.

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

09 Sep 2010 12:48:26

09 Sep 2010 09:52:12

09 Sep 2010 09:43:57

My mate works in the Dorchester in London and he says there are a suit of rooms booked next week for the fella from DIC (sorry can't pronounce his name never mind spell it) and a conference room adjacent this wad booked under the name of kop holdings. Belive it or not but that's what he said.

Sorry my friend I think DIC are abit skint at the moment they have lost alot in reason times and would never but money into a football now.

D.I.C are not skint yes they were in trouble and were bailled out by Abu Dhabi in the sum of 30-50 Billion. So Abu Dhabi would now probably own DIC or run it but IF they are involved in the Takeover then it would not be for themselves it would be on behalf of Sheikh Mohammed/ Dubai or Sheikh Khalifa/ Abu Dhabi or both.

But it's a pretty big IF!

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. I'll say it again i would love Sheikh Mohammed as he is an LFC fan.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 12:46:46

The standard of spelling on this website is appealling?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 12:02:42

{ed's note - I would put money on the club being sold before the New Year. I have always said I wouldn't expect anything done before the end of October.}
ED, do you mean that liverpool will be takeover by RBS b4 sold to potential owner? {ed's note - I really don't see that happening, I don't think the bank want to take that step and lose the regular interest payments.}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 11:33:54

The standard of spelling on this website is appalling.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 11:00:56

09 Sep 2010 09:52:12

09 Sep 2010 09:43:57

My mate works in the Dorchester in London and he says there are a suit of rooms booked next week for the fella from DIC (sorry can't pronounce his name never mind spell it) and a conference room adjacent this wad booked under the name of kop holdings. Belive it or not but that's what he said.

Sorry my friend I think DIC are abit skint at the moment they have lost alot in reason times and would never but money into a football now.

FORGET ABOUT DIC. BUT REMEMBER SHEIKH MOHAMMED AL MAKTOUM OF DUBAI HAS HUGE PERSONAL WEALTH (£18BN) AND APPARENTLY IS LIVERPOOL FAN OF MANY YEARS. HE COULD BUY THE CLUB ON HIS OWN.

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 10:47:23

Hi all just seen the news about fabio stepping down as england boss after 2012
I think that it is highley possible that we have the next england boss here in roy . If he proves himself with us and we do well iam sure the fa will come knocking as they have allready said the next boss will be english
the good news is we should have been taken over by then and be on a good financial footing with the new ground on the way so we will hopefuly have no trouble getting who we want what do you fellow reds think as i think its a pretty good bet that this will be the case as roy will be 65 then with only a year left on his deal he would have enjoyed liverpool for two years and would probaly jump at the chance to manage his country

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 10:43:31

Ed u say

'I would put money on the club being sold before the New Year. I have always said I wouldn't expect anything done before the end of October'

so what u think will happen on the 6th?? will rbs take control of the sale?

Rez {ed's note - I don't think anything in particular will happen on the 6th, the sale process is ongoing and it will stay that way. I get bored of reading all the make believe fairy stories about how something will happen on particular dates, it just doesn't work like that.}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 10:28:47

What's people's thinking of the central midfield/ second striker formation when we have a fully fit squad?

I read on LFC website that Alan Hansen likens Raul Meireles to Terry McDermott; so with Meireles, Gerrard, J Cole, Poulsen and Lucas in the team will Roy play Gerrard further forward (as I can't see him playing Gerrard and Meireles as neither would hold (unless asked)?

Also a good piece about Roy and stating the squad was too big (and still is) and moving players along that are too old for the reserves but not likely to be playing first team football (i.e. El Zhar, Plessis).

I'm still hoping we get a forward and a winger though in January!

Hoola

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 10:14:56

ED.

If you were a betting man what would you put your money on?

LFC sold in OCT around the 6th
LFC sold b4 new year
LFC not sold

Surely the Yanks will not refinance surely they have had enuf negative publicity and surely it would look poor on M Broughton to be brought in to effect sale and not accomplish the brief.

So whats your hunch ed? {ed's note - I would put money on the club being sold before the New Year. I have always said I wouldn't expect anything done before the end of October.}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 09:52:25
To who wrote this:

"I wonder if RH will play Glen Johnson in Kuyt position, as he seems to do pretty well for us and England running up that wing and sometimes ends up out of position on the counter attack, plus we have enough defenders to cover the right back position, what do you think?"

Yeah mate I think GJ would be fine on the flanks.

Rormac

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 09:37:50

A bit of true gossip for all l.f.c fans belive it theres not going to a buyer for our beloved liverpool as hicks and gillett try scaming all intested parties with priceing the club to high it seems they are only doing it so no one buys the club the board r trying to block them from refinaceing belive many more of our stars to be sold in january all the rubbish about us buying players is all lies we have been linked with every player under the sun all cock n bull from them yonks get them out a.s.a.p to get the ball rolling again

Here what you are saying mate and you sound as disapointed and frustrated as any of us but, you say in one scentence that Hicks and gillette are never going to sell and then say get Hicks Gillete out now to get the ball rolling. How? if H&G are never going to sell How do you get them out any suggestions?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 09:26:05

Benzema is their easiest saleable asset, and i reckon a sneaky bid of 15-20 might have clinched it near the deal

I hope you mean 15-20 pound because he's not worth any more, surely one of the most over rated players in football, i hope Manu get him and not us we can do much better than him

YNWA {ed's note - Benzema looks fat and sluggish at the moment, but that should be something Mourinho can sort out, as well as his clear lack of confidence.}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 08:59:29

A bit of true gossip for all l.f.c fans belive it theres not going to a buyer for our beloved liverpool as hicks and gillett try scaming all intested parties with priceing the club to high it seems they are only doing it so no one buys the club the board r trying to block them from refinaceing belive many more of our stars to be sold in january all the rubbish about us buying players is all lies we have been linked with every player under the sun all cock n bull from them yonks get them out a.s.a.p to get the ball rolling again

 

 

09 Sep 2010 08:49:31

Hi ed,

i've just read an article by David Maddock on the mirror website about the 6th of October and how it is our d-day.

just wondering if you have read it and what your thoughts are about it

cheers

Rez

{Editor's Note: Don't believe everything you read on the internet.}

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 08:06:13

I read with interest the piece on Markus von Hohenzollern-Viett on here and I checked the web and there is a reference to his companies. They make small handguns and machine pistols (which I take to be machine guns?) and they have registered offices in Paraguay and Lichtenstein.

The poster who said it wouldn't be allowed undr UK rules - what?
There are scores of people involved in the arms business and that includes BAE Systems who make fighter planes!
The arms business is a legitimate one and in fact brings in hundreds of millions of punds in tax each year to our economy. So whether you like it or not, it's an acceptable business, just like fast food, cigarettes, alcohol and the auto business.

According to PCZ Radio (Czech station in English) last night, Viett has the backing of two Americans in the PC business and that rings a bell with what someone else said about investors yesterday, I think he talked about Elison?

From what I heard, this is a fast move and could be sorted within the next weekend.
By the way, the Gilchrist bloke that said it was rubbish, isn't he the one who is a no-mark that nobody has heard of before?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 02:36:09

I wonder if RH will play Glen Johnson in Kuyt position, as he seems to do pretty well for us and England running up that wing and sometimes ends up out of position on the counter attack, plus we have enough defenders to cover the right back position, what do you think?

 

 

 

 

09 Sep 2010 00:16:52
I can't understand why any person would want the headache of owning a football club, putting up with supporters, critics, news media and the odd death-threat and stalkers

Having person go through their personal lives and business dealings. Getting match day abuse from fans that insult their wives and threaten them physically.

The same fans who want millions out of the chairmans pocket for new players, better manager, stadium

I can understand kenny huang using liverpool as cheap world wide publicity, but it shows how far a normal man can be thrown in front of the world media.

now 400million pound buisiness purchase (takeover) is not that amazing. People purchase companies every day, but this level of media expectation is worrying.

i liked liverpool when it use to be a english team with national following, instead of this international interest

has the game gotten too big, or has media changed the world. Eg Iraq was a media war

On March 7, 2008, it was reported that Gillett had agreed to sell 98 per cent of his Liverpool stock to DIC, [16] but Hicks blocked the sale.[17] In an interview on Prime Time Sports in Canada, Gillett revealed that he and his family had received death threats from angry Liverpool fans: "The fans don't want him [Tom Hicks] to have even one share of my stake in the club, based on what they are sending to me. As a result of that we [my family] have received many phone calls in the middle of the night threatening our lives, death threats. A number came to the office and my son, Foster, and daughter-in-law, Lauren, have received them."[18] The relationship between Gillett and Hicks broke down some time ago, leading to civil war breaking out at Anfield