Liverpool Banter Archive September 09 2012

 

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09 Sep 2012 23:19:28
Haha..so eds is for extraordinary dudes..really cool though..and for the fans pls let's not expect too much from our next 2 matches.sunderland are really tough at home and manutd maybe we could get a draw.we could start to judge rodgers after that


 

 

09 Sep 2012 21:25:56
Evening eds fellow reds ,could you shed any light on a story I've just read about a proposal for a transfer committee .thought BR said wouldnt work under such set ups .cheers psv


 

 

09 Sep 2012 21:24:16
Heard today that if Reina's poor form continues we will sell him in January to AC Milan who will meet our 15 million valuation. And Rodgers has identified Michel Vorm who is available at 8 million.


Hi all Ed's&Red's.....I posted this a few week's back(Doubt Ed's remember)..I do honestly believe Pepe will be gone in summer&if so BR will defo go back for Vorm.Pepe is a class keeper but he really has lost his edge...Cheer's all,YNWA!! {Ed052's Note - Ifhd goes then good, I could be better in goal#


It would be great to free up all the wages of a goalkeeper in decline and get one that is better and would only cost around 8-10 million.

BthekingB


 

 

09 Sep 2012 21:07:29
Waro,
You are wrong mate, if they was in it for a quick buck they wouldn't have purchased a club in heavy debt, they wouldn't have then paid that debt off and kept paying over a million a week out there own pockets as we bleed out more than we make.

I'm pee'd off we never signed a decent striker but I'm happy wih who we did sign and happy we free up £480,000 week in wages.

I'm also pleased with the way fsg are trying to make self sufficient and trying to run us properly not just as a rich mans play thing, when the financial fair play rules come in clubs like city are really gonna have to cut back where as we will already be operating within the rules.

I think the owners have made a couple of mistakes but on the whole think so far their reign has been positive for the future of the club. There running us as a business and one they intend to grow and make profitable.


How does Henry get his 200 million pounds back from the club?


Very slowly and only by making the club profitable, as I said its gonna be a long term project and only by making us a better club will they start to see a return on their millions.

Gary


 

 

09 Sep 2012 20:42:50
Kenny... Kenny, Kenny, Kenny... I love you man, you where a superstar for our club, the best Numner7 in world football, but, BUT, this constant sniping at Rodgers has to stop, it's starting to sound like bitterness. So, please, PLEASE, before you tarnish your status as a Legend, give it up already.


Stevie.


I know. Perhaps the biggest legend (player anyway) but this is low. Rodgers has never tried to take credit for the development of sterling. As far as i'm aware, as stated on another website, Rodgers has only ever talked about the player when asked direct questions about him.


 

 

09 Sep 2012 20:35:17
Edds why are you called edds?
.jono. {Ed052's Note - Short for extrodinary dudes}


Really haha i thought it stands for Editors lol

GAM {Ed052's Note - That's far too plain!!}


It is actually because the only people recruited to be an 'Ed' must be called (or have legally changed their name to) Edward - both males and females [Ed02].

True Story

Jolly Red {Ed052's Note - True!}


 

 

09 Sep 2012 19:58:22
I posted earlier about the documentary that is being shown at the end of the month, this is just a quick question for Ed002. So if I fancied making a behind the scenes documentary I could just rock up to the main office with my camera and start having a wonder round because it has nothing to do with F$G as i'm an independant film maker? Ye know just chew the fat with Brendan in his office, get some footage of the lads arguing at half time etc etc. If you think F$G have no input into it and do not have the final say on what ends up on the cutting room floor your foolish.

Waro {Ed002's Note - That is not how it works. A contract exists between Fox Television and the club for the making of the documentary. Your comments and what is a very clear dislike of the owners are becoming more and more embarrassing.}


Aren't you bored of putting a $ instead of an S yet you clown. You must think you're dead clever doing that.


I am trying to surpress a blush Ed002. Your right like, I despise these owners because I can see them for what they are Wolves in Sheeps clothing and the worst kind of schmoozing spivs. But what I will say to you is this, if i'm wrong about these owners I will be man enough to admit it and will apologise accordingly.

Waro


The documentary is clearly an attempt by the owners to raise our profile in the US and beyond. A sensible idea provided the content is interesting enough, without making the club look a big brother spin off. What's the problem? If we end up looking silly as a result of the programme, then by all means dribble and bleat away then.

JF


Another Liverpool fan were they perceive things that aren't their. Seriously guys like you who blame all and sundry for our problems really are giving us bad name, a terrible name in fact. You seen think everything is a conspiracy and the owners are hiding things from us/ fans/manager/players (delete as applicable). FSG might'nt be perfect but what owners are? They've done a helluva lot more good things for this club then bad things. We didn't get Clint Dempsey, boo hoo hoo. Not a perfect scenario but ain't the end of the world box any stretch.
JohnnyBoy


As wrong as you are Waro, I doubt any of us are waiting for your apology.

McSnuggles


Club would chuck you out. Access all areas doci;s are done with the permission of the club.

independent film maker means that the club isn't paying you and doesn't own your footage. So your free to edit and distribute it the way you want for a profit.

Content to air or final cut, may be controlled by the football club, if they smart enough to get it,


I do not see fsg as a good thing but then i look at rangers and wake up . red mick tag


 

 

09 Sep 2012 19:13:24
Hi eds could you tell me what's the latest regarding the breakaway super league or as it gone a bit quiet at the moment?

Thanks

Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - There was a meeting of 11 interested clubs at the end of August. There is nothing really new to report that I have been told of.}


I doubt this ever happening. The clubs involved will be frightened of it going pear-shaped and having to go cap in hand to their respective leagues...The younger players will be worried about losing their chance of being an international player.....their existing records ie leagues and cups won, will come to a standstill and will eventually be overtaken. I know that money talks but I think that there are too many of these little niggles to let people make the leap. Last of all - and the fans always seem to be at the end of the queue - who can afford to travel to the continent every fortnight ??

Puzzled {Ed002's Note - This is a very, very real issue and will eventually happen. It has been discussed for many years. Without going in to too much detail: (a) A number of clubs take the opportunity a once or twice a year to discuss various issues including changes in rules, television rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. These discussions, the last of which were in late August, also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions. (b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues. (c) The clubs would renegotiate their television rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc.. (d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen.}


Yes Ed002 I know it has been on the agenda for a long, long time (not obviously to the extent you know about) and it is clear the authorities would negotiate after the dust has settled (should it happen) but this does not address the question of players losing the chance to play for their country. I know that this could get negotiated away but that might take a year or three and a player's (playing) life is finite. So would players stick around?

Puzzled {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the authorities. They would not be involved in any negotiations and have not been involved in the discussions.}


A super league very funny cant opperate in this one


ED which teams would be involved in this league thanks in advance {Ed002's Note - It will be sometime before it happens.}


Think about it. It would be a lot like the old times when athletes turned pro after an Olympic appearance. Young players might hang around long enough to play in one World Cup, then join the Super League, immediately increasing their wages 1000%.

Who are we going to watch? The GB Olympic team v Uruguay Olympic team (minus Suarez & Ramirez) ?? OR Manchester City v Barcelona.

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge is a leader in this and an eventual plan might resemble USA college sports with regional "conference" play (i.e. a UK division) with a play-off system eclipsing the Champions League.

Personally I can't wait to get rid of all the UEFA bureaucrats and to see Sepp Blatter have to suck up to someone else.


Sounds like the illuminati of football don't you think ed? {Ed002's Note - It is a regular occurrence.}


Champions league makes so much money, that it is "super league" that was set up to counter this problem. While it continues to be a money maker, no club like man utd, will up-root to european league.

breaking away from the fa, will alien the club from English fans, and kill the club due to fan base casuing the death of the club. {Ed002's Note - That is an extremely naive view.}


What super league? like the best from all teams in different European leagues?

like super15 for rugby in the southern hemisphere but for football?


 

 

09 Sep 2012 19:08:44
Shame we let Tom ince go for nothing.
The form he is in now would of got us a good couple of million.
I know he had issues at the club but we should still have stuck him out on loan or put in a buy back option.
I thought the same about toni silva, he looked like he could eventually be worth selling for profit. Even a couple of million is better than nothing.
Especially in these seemingly cash strapped times.

MIKEY


To be honest, I don't think he's all that good and even if he was, I wouldn't want him near my team because of his stinky attitude.


I don't mean to be funny, but alot of our young players can cut it at other clubs, while they stay at lfc, they will rot away,

Someone like spearing should have been given a chance 5 years ago. He should of been playing in a team week in and out. now he has wasted it all and has been shipped out.

They have a time, when they should be playing, or they won't make it. Kelly is another one that you have to wonder about. he should be making 30 games a season. Not sub starts.


I would sell Johnson next summer and start Kelly.
But that's just me.

MIKEY


 

 

09 Sep 2012 18:26:17
The club dont particularly mind which window he's sold in, but if Reina can be sold in January he will be. Marc-Andre ter Stegen is Rodgers' first choice as Butland would prove too expensive (due to being English) and too raw. Passing on what I've been told Reds, YNWA


I think renia information is wrong, if he wanted to leave, it would of been in the summer and it would of been fast. done and dusted. We would of been in for Hugo.

But we didn't go after him, so you have to wonder where this is coming from. That was the player to replace your keeper with.


 

 

09 Sep 2012 17:52:16
Liverpool prepared to replace Pepe Reina in January

givemefootball.com, Sun 09 September 2012 15.15
Brendan Rodgers may allow Pepe Reina to leave Liverpool in the winter transfer window, if the goalkeeper fails to adapt to the club's new system by January.
Reina has established himself as one of the finest 'keepers in the Premier League since joining the Reds in 2005, but could reportedly be chopped by Rodgers this season.
According to the Sunday Mirror, the Liverpool manager has set a New Year deadline for Reina to improve his performance and demonstrate he is able to fit with the new style of play at Anfield.
Rodgers wants a goalkeeper who is comfortable passing the ball out from the back and receiving passes from defenders when under pressure.

The Liverpool boss is reportedly unsure if Reina, 30, is the player to execute his plans and has identified Swansea custodian Michel Vorm as a possible replacement for the Spaniard.
Reina is currently Liverpool's unquestioned No.1, with Brad Jones and Alexander Doni not providing a realistic threat to his position.


Rubbish... he can fit style better than any keeper in te league as he can kick with both feet and distribution is fantastic... the issue is can he stop making silly mistake - at least 1 a game!


Pepe needs a new coach that's all.
These rumours might be to give him a good kick up the arse he needs.

MIKEY


Absolute trash, why do people waste their time.


What a load of old codswallop!! What system does be have to fit into? A short passing game?? His job is to stop people scoring, present another option at the back for defenders to use, organise the defence in set plays in dangerous positions against us and incisive distribution when he has the ball. If he's not good at that then get rid but in my view there's not many better


His weakness is not distribution from the back, it's in stopping the ball. He's fallen like a stone from his own high standards and is now only an average keeper. I'd sell him if someone better were available
Pieboy1812


 

 

09 Sep 2012 17:43:38
I think reina feels like a boss that can do watever he likes.I tink we can get a replacement who won't be better than him but also won't be giving out free goals..he is now all talk..and doesn't show d same desire he talks about on d pitch..why do fans keep supporting him,no player that can't be replaced


Try using 'the' instead of 'd'

Puzzled


 

 

09 Sep 2012 17:40:42
Just a reminder for tonight, Hillsborough searching for the truth BBC1 10.25 and for those not in the NW/Yorkshire area, its on Sky 956.
JFT96
The Rev


Just looked on BBC 1 an it's mike McIntyre on at 10.25 are you sure it's bbc1 I'm in the midlands .please reply


Its a real shame its not available across the country. The misinformation and prejudice of some of the posts I read on the Telegraph and other newspaper websites would be challenged if it had a wider viewing. Then more would know why the families of the 96 have campaigned for so long with such dignity and tenacity. I hope that the full disclosure on Wednesday will get more airtime.
Scousehouse


It's the Yorkshire version of BBC1. At certain times of the night, BBC shows regional progammes specific to about a dozen different regions so in Yourkshire they will be seeing that whereas in other areas they will be seeing something else. That's why he gave the Sky number. If you are on Sky, the box autiomatically sets itself to the regional programmes for your area so for instance I live in Wales. Channel 104 for me is S4C whereas for someone in England it's C4. Channel 101 is BBC 1 Wales, 102 BBC2 Wales, 103 HTV etc etc. However with Sky you have the advantage that they carry all the regional variations in the channel 900 series hence why he gives the channel 956 for anyione outside Yorkshire.


At reply got to channel 956 as the OP said. It works for me and I'm in the midlands


Searching For The Truth is only on showing for people who live in Yorkshire & the North West
Personally I think that it is an absolute disgrace that people like you, and I for that matter are unable to watch on the BBC, and instead have to watch Micheal MacIntyre. Don't get me wrong I like MacIntyre, but on the grand scale of things, what is more important?
There are millions of people who want answers for what happened at Hillsborough, and they live all over the country, not just in Yorkshire and the North West

23 of searching for justice and now we find ourselves searching through Sky's EPG

Red Head


10.35 on ITV1 tomorrow or 11.35 on ITV1+1


 

 

09 Sep 2012 17:38:13
Hi Ed's As much as on field matters are important I cant believe FSG have taken so long about our stadium options.
As I understand it only a few years ago LFC had over 70,000 people still on the season ticket waiting list, Although a lot may not still want there season tickets now, add that to the current season ticket holders. Surely an 80,000 stadium would be filled and provide double the gate receipts.(even if this means looking to the outskirts of the city)
Dortmund have 80,000 per game with 57,000 season ticket holders. We could easy match that...
That's doubling your gate receipts every game plus naming rights. Really think we lose money every time we play and this should be a priority before " Maximising the global brand"..
Your views please..
Dave {Ed002's Note - An 80k seat stadium is really not financially viable.}


^ Why not Ed002? {Ed002's Note - THis has been done to death before - the money is not there to build it, it would not get filled etc. etc.}


Would ed002 agree that a 65k stadium (anfield) plus tons and tons of corporate boxes and facilities will be the aim of the owners?
It's a shame we couldnt make an 80k stadium possible. It would be easily filled on those big euro nights.
Just not week in, week out.

MIKEY {Ed002's Note - No MIkey. I would anticipate a figure just under 60k and I have previously explained the reasons why.}


Why if we have the largest amount of supporters waiting for season tickets for any club and any sport would we 'not fill the stadium'?
Possibly not fill for League Cup matchs but for EPL and Europe.
We have a huge fan base, only equalled by Man U.
We are not a small club or plastic play thing of gangster


In that case I feel for you ed002 when just under 60k gilfnards start posting, fuming at the owners for "lying" about the stadium lol
Just under 60k is still progress.

MIKEY


 

 

09 Sep 2012 17:35:35
On the reina debate I think he
Just needs some decent competition as Brad seems pretty happy just playing back up ! Other teams have just figured him out ! Tobiwan


How do you figure out a keeper?


 

 

09 Sep 2012 17:24:15
Don't know much into this but a trusted source of me has said there are huge rifts between FSG and BR.

Its clear BR was unhappy with what happened at Transfer deadline day.

Unfortunately FSG even now still seem not fancying the idea of appointing a CEO.

FSG rather wants a technical board of people to run the club, which is something BR doesn't fancy.

Either way its not helping and am afraid this might turn out to be a big mess.

FSg's unfulfilled promises to BR. Bad handling of club management.

Not Looking good. Above all this if results don't get better BR 's time may be up too soon.

Fsg the problem, they certainly don't have a clue of running a football club on British Soil.

Bosco


Your medication has worn off.
AnfieldUSA


At the very least we need someone who can negotiate on behalf of Liverpool as Ayre is not cutting it. he is fantastic commercial director but being the managing director isn't his thing.

i say put him back as commercial director or leave him as managing director but get someone else to handle the negotiating of first team players coming in.

because this were lfc is a joke in the transfer window needs to stop.!


Oh knock it on the head Bosco...


How many international businesses have you run? How many football clubs have you run? Have you run anything that resembles either? One 'alleged' transfer that didn't come off and people are running around like headless chickens making any old rubbish up. My sources tell me that very few people know what happens between Henry/Lerner and BR. I'm happy to identify my source - it's me!


 

 

09 Sep 2012 16:48:38
Don't know how true it is but I have heard that this documentary ( which in itself is a pr disaster waiting to happen ) shows in depth Kennys sacking. If as I say it's true it shows theres no depths these owners wont sink too. And shows if they can treat a living L.F.C. legend like that theres no way they can have the club and it's supporters best intrests at heart.

Waro {Ed002's Note - The owners did not make the documentary, Fox Television did. Of course if Dalglish's leaving were not shown you would be grizzling about the owners censoring the documentary.}


Maybe if Kenny didn't make such a pigs ear of his time in charge, they wouldn't have to show his sacking.


Kenny is a professional. He accepted his termination as such.


 

 

09 Sep 2012 16:10:08
Hi eds not a transfer rumour but do you think it would be better for Sterling's development if he played for England or Jamaica? {Ed002's Note - It would make no difference.}


No, as much as I and most don't rate Stuart Pearce surely the other senior English coaches have greater experience than the respective Jamaican ones.

From a selfish perspective the less travel he has to do the better. Lucas, Suarez and Coates all have exceptionally long international flights and that can only hinder them on their return. Luckily the time difference in Latin Ameica isn't huge, so unlikely to lead to any jetlag.

Papa G


It would only affect his value


Jamaica. If he plays for England the media will tear him to bits.


England.

1 He will play in majority of big tournaments with England
2 Not as much travelling during season
3 prestige not low key internationals
4 he developed his football in England
5 he has played for us upto u19

Jimbob


I'd rather he play for Jamaica. Do you really want Pearce and then Hodgson to coach him, they will take all the skill and flair from his game.


Don't be absurd gents. Pearce and Hodgson will have him for a total of about 6 weeks a season, and another two months if he has a tournament. The rest of the time he'll be with our staff. So Hodge and Pearse can't ruin him.

I would be a bit worried about the media getting on him if he doesn't play as well for England as he does for us, but that never really effected Gerrard's performances over the last decade.

- Something Red -


No one really gets on Ashley Youngs back and he was truly dire for England in the Euro's.

Papa G


Come on people we want him playing for england...

I mean look what our team could be like with sterling, wilshere, chamberlain etc

2 good seasons under his belt he will have a big say in going to the WC


 

 

09 Sep 2012 16:05:01
There is a lot of debate about Reina: reality is Reina is world class no doubt but he has lost his desire or faith in Liverpool. Time has come we should sell him and buy young hungry keeper before his value is dropped. If you see his interview he says how ambition he is and wants to win trophys unfortunately we are in transition and he knows we won't win big trophys for few years. And don't forget he was pushing for Arsenal until we refused that just Shows he is not commited anymore. At the same time he has given us more then 5 years you can't ask anymore especially in morden game where money and success matters to players rather then shirt or club. Thanks


And Arsenal have won what in the last 7 years.........

Sooty


Sooty, they have won continuous Champs league qualification. I'd trade that for a couple of league and fa cups.


You are deluded if you think Reina is world class, simplified, his main aim in a game of football is to try and stop any ball on target from going over the white line - something he is not the least bit adept at doing.

All I ask all my fellow Kopites to do, and all Liverpool fans of course - please tell me the last time he had a great game, made a
great save, and can you remember the last time he was anybody's man of the match.

John B


He plays for Liverpool FC support him and stop slating him.

Red1


They have won three more champions league qualification more than us. When you look at the records it will say LFC Euro Champs 2005, runners up 2007, it wont say Arsenal, champs league qualifiers 2005,6,7,8,9,10,11,12. Cup wins are in the cabinet, Its no good qualifying if you can't win it. Also i'd rather have a couple of days out at Wembley than scraping into the Champions league.

Sooty


John b mate Reina has won 3/4 golden gloves and has broken all records of previous liverpool keepers. When you talk about previous keepers who have played for Liverpool you will know what I mean mate


Pepe's going to be our keeper until January. If he recovers his form before then, then all is well. If not, we can think about dealing with it then.

As for the Arsenal link, didn't he come out and say he wanted to stay at Liverpool when that rumour was doing the rounds? Tbh, he could've left in any of the last three summer windows if he really wanted to. So I don't buy that he isn't commmitted.

- Something Red -


Anybody think Reinas form had dipped only as much as anybody elses? We conceded very little with Rafa,that makes a 'keeper' look very good on paper. If the bloke has 5 or 6 more shots to save in a game now than a few years ago,logic dictates he will concede more goals. Fact. make of it what you will!
WBD


Im with Sooty on this.. Asking my gooner mates, they would take the cup wins over CLQ.. Obv they enjoy the money and prestige CLQ give them but, they wanna win things.. they want the cups and the trips to Wembley!
ItsNotRocketScience


No something red mate he sayed he stayed coz his wife wanted and she is happy at liverpool when quizzed as he is still young as keepers can play at 40 but he was quick to answer he wants to win trophys as soon as possible coz no one knows what will happen next any big injury can retire any player at any age


 

 

09 Sep 2012 15:16:46
Am I the only supporter who thinks not signing a striker may be a good thing . For the last 10 to 15 years or more we have been signing young players and keep getting told they are one for the future ! I am still waiting for the future . Maybe now we have to use some of the players we keep getting told are the future . I for one would give a lot more support to a young lad who i can see is trying his best than a player who is mid 20s and only appears to be going through the motions ( we all know who these players are). So come on Brendan lets continue to use Sterling, Kelly,Robinson,Flanagan,Morgan and Shelvey and try to give the likes of Coady,Yesil,Suso,Wisdom time on the bench and playing time and we may find more than one for the future and save the club millions in transfer fees. Who said you can never win anything with kids??
Ynwa


It's important not too chuck too many kids in all at once. As they can easily lose confidence but I agree bring them into the squad gradually.

Mighty reds


 

 

09 Sep 2012 14:49:27
Hi Eds, I have been hearing Suso may be used as a striker? Has he played there before? I'm thinking 2nd striker (gerrard role when we had Torres). I think it is all just paper talk though. SLODGE {Ed002's Note - I would doubt he would be used as an out and out striker.}


I'd say Suso is a Right Forward he doesn't yet have level of the ball that would make him excel at RCM.


 

 

09 Sep 2012 14:50:58
Can't understand how disloyal so called fans have been with Reina. Yes he has had a bad year but over the 6 years he has been here he has been world class. let's get behind him...

Stevo Mac


"So called" fans? Those are just analyzing the situation and getting ideas right.

Reina has been making childish mistakes all last year. He's not a top level goalkeeper anymore.

Saying that doesn't make you "so called" fan.


He's not World Class, but he is a good keeper and you have to spend a lot of money to replace him.
He's a red, more importantly so I'm going to back him, not pull him apart.
However, records will show, he's only won one FA cup and one League cup which is pretty poor.


I think it isn't the fact that some 'easy' goals seem to go in these days, it's more the fact that he seems not to even try to go for some !

Puzzled


Whatever he has stayed loyal. He could have cut and run ages ago. Like some.
Lee73


Wish he had cut and run, we may not ave finished 8th last year, and may have more points already this year.

John B


Okay john,its reina fault we finished 8th? I dont even know where to start. Rubbish,utter rubbish!
WBD


 

 

09 Sep 2012 14:29:40
with the Government relaxing the rules re: planning permission, does anyone know if this is likely to have an impact on refurbishing Anfield or starting a new build.

In fact does anyone know what the current situation is in respect to the Stadium. {Ed002's Note - No, it will make no difference.}


 

 

09 Sep 2012 14:15:53
iam disgusted by everbody ripping riena apart, so what he has made a few mistakes but he is a world class keeper, he has been loyal to liverpool throught the bad times unlike other players.


What a load of b******* reina would of left for Arsenal if Liverpool had given him the go ahead world class keepers play for their national team not sit on the bench and the little mistakes he has made has cost us points last season and so far this season he comes across to me that he does not want to be at LFC


He has been poor by his previous high standards since Rafa left. Still makes the odd world class save in a match, but more and more mistakes are creeping in.
I don't know if that is all down to the problems with him not liking the goalkeeping coach or the fact that LFC have gone backwards since Rafa left and are further away from winning the league.
If he can re-discover his form then he will be here for many more years.
If he carries on under-performing, then of course he will have to be moved on.
Just because a player is a legend or used to be world class, does not give them an automatic starting slot or immunity from being dropped!!


So by your oppinion say the Moldovan keeper is better than Reina because he gets into his squad whereas Reina cant because of Casillas.
Pull your head from somewhere lad and stop chatting Sh*t.

Kopping a feel


World class keepers play for their national team and dont sit on the bench... lol, he has the best keeper in the world ahead of him.
Casillas has been the best keeper in the world for 10 years, not a easy man to compete against


 

 

09 Sep 2012 13:56:52
Why not we employ that spanish goalkeeping coach that coached Reina during rafa's time?


Thought we sacked Achterberg when Kenny Left. Deffo need a better coach for reina.


 

 

09 Sep 2012 12:50:09
ed002, do you think we should give yesil a chance, for me hes better than borini and he plays well for germany u-19s {Ed002's Note - He will get his chances.}


Not to be rude but how can you conclude that yesil is better, borini helped spearhead swanseas promotion to the prem, scored goals in serie a for Roma, is a Italian national team player and went to the euros, and now starts for lfc. And all thru his career has set good goal scoring records and he's only 21, so how is a kid playing 3rd tier German football.....better? In the future maybe but not right now.


Borini is being played out of position - should be the striker not a winger - Suarez should be the winger


How can you conclude one player is better? Simple - you watch him play.


Now is not the time to be experimenting on the pitch. BR - just play everyone in their best/favourite position.
It's not rocket sconce.


Borini played whole season on the right for roma...


I agree yesil has awesome scoring record for u-19, but the fact is that defending in lower aged teams usually is not that good... Im not saying Yesil isnt a good prospect, but he has a hell lot to learn before he is a top notch bpl striker


 

 

09 Sep 2012 13:07:50
Hi Eds
great site as per before. Now, you may have answered this as I haven't logged on a while, but is there any truth in us going for Del Piero??
If yes, have we fallen so low to go for such an old campaigner? I know it may all be media tosh but please clarify this for me.

Iranred {Ed052's Note - No}


 

 

09 Sep 2012 12:54:23
All I hear is people moaning about BR or the owners, please please stop, I know someone screwed up thats a fact and at the time I was pissed off but now we have seen kids promoted to the first team that deserve a chance, the likes of Sterling, Suso, Morgan all looked good in the reserves and youth games. With Yesil coming in too there is some great future promise and Sterling is already showing how good he is. It is about time some of the bigger clubs bring some players through instead of blowing £30 million on someone else's talent. Also I am sure come January if we need another striker funds will be there for it without spending stupid money and no I'm no contradicting myself I am saying we might spend £15-20 million on two players not £30 million on one. Also I would think a few players like Cole, Doni and Pacheco who didn't move in Summer will be given to January to prove themselves in the squad or they will be moved on which will free up wages again especially when Coles on around 90k. Just please stop moaning nothing will be changed by all you negative people. Support your team. YNWA

JD


 

 

09 Sep 2012 12:08:33
Hey eds just wanted to ask with suso now being promoted does that mean the end for henderson. Because it seems that br doesnt seems to like him. {Ed002's Note - No, he remains a squad member.}


 

 

09 Sep 2012 12:05:23
I met Robbie Fowler in Dublin last night. He said he has spoken to Brendan Rodgers about coming in and coaching our strikers on a part time basis.


That could be a great move, Fowler can't really play competitive football anymore, and him been given the oppertunity to have a coaching career could be a good move for both Robbie and the Club. He could help along the young players and the miss firing first team players. If Robbie is brought in to the coaching staff, its just a shame Andy isn't here to benefit from one of the best finishers ever seen in a Liverpool shirt, and the Premier league. Ant B


God and Rushie should both be coaching the strikers, it's so obvious it needs not further debate. Just get on it BR. The two best finishers in the last thirty years.
ND


 

 

09 Sep 2012 11:11:09
I got slated at the stsrt of summer for saying reina was past his best and that we should bring in ter stegen....now i hope people see what i meant


 

 

09 Sep 2012 10:55:07
What exactly is a "Technical Committee". Committees only work if they consist of three people, one of whom is hospitalised and another is stuck in traffic, and exactly how many other clubs have one? I think Brian Reade had a point in Saturday's Mirror. FSG understand the business side but they have no idea about football as a sport. RED LENIN


 

 

09 Sep 2012 10:29:40
Hello fellow reds I was wondering wats the best way to get tickets for my little lads birthday/ or can some1 hook me up I'm a dublin red any feed back would b great thanks a lot in BUCK I TRUST JON96


There's no secret - go to the website and all the information you need is under 'fans' and 'membership'. You'll have to pay a membership fee of about 35 before you can order a ticket, unless you want a premium ticket with hospitality etc. It used to be easier but the club are tightening up now, trying to get to a stage where they have a name for everybody in the stadium. The other method is to join your local supporters club, who will be able to help you - you can get contact details of your club from /fans/membership/aib-association-of-international-branches.

Digger


Ring the club a few days before matchday lad, they do season ticket returns, that's season ticket holders who can't make a paticular game and the club sell that persons season ticket for them. Hopefully you can get 2 together, good luck fella!

Waro


 

 

09 Sep 2012 10:07:39
1st time poster on here, but been reading for years. Is there any truth that reina will be offloaded In January? I've been saying for 2 years he's not as good as he was, a reply would be appreciated, I lied in saying 1st time poster I just haven't been answered in the past! Thanks {Ed002's Note - I would very much doubt that there will be a change of goalkeeper in January.}


Don't worry , Reina is doing everything he can to get Rodgers the sack , only a very brave manager would select him for the Sunderland game .


Problem is achterberg, clueless
FowlerisGod


When are we going to get a first class goalkeeping coach to keep Pepe on his toes?


 

 

09 Sep 2012 09:51:49
So what if Rodgers has a large self portrait of himself hanging slap bang in the middle of his house?

I have a tattoo of myself on my back naked and slaying a dragon.

Its a confidence thing,the best way to get confident is to meditate and pretend your a cat, it has worked for me.

HAWK THE DRAGON SLAYER


It was given to him as a gift by a charity he worked for I below
Owenll


 

 

09 Sep 2012 09:49:40
1- The practice of payment plans and back-deals. How bad are Liverpool's finance in this regard. Are we still paying for Stan Collymore. I remember when Mike Ashly bought Newcastle only to discover that he had really paid 100million for 200million of debt that was cleverly hidden in deals on top of deals for players going back to the 90's. The club where still paying for players who not at the club anymore. Did liverpool have these deals in place?

2- Hicks and Gillette - 288million debt + £22million plus interest each year. These guys put the prices up for everything drink, food, ticket-prices in a temp to pay off the interest each year correct. 2006 to 2011.
Ticket prices where milked and the fans where taken advantage of each year to an extreme level. Correct. ticket prices are increased evenly across the board and under investment in facilities EG £40 for poorest ticket when compared to utd £30. yet £48 for the good seat while utd charge £52.

3- The owners paid off 200million which freed up £22million extra to buy new players, which makes liverpools transfer fund close to £30million. Why are they once again increasing the prices for the pies, drinks, corporate ect.

4- How will Henry want his money back? he could of made 6 million a year if he left his money in the bank on 3%. What's in it for Henry + American Crew? Liverpool just seems like a bad business bet that is damaging their red sox operation.


Henry and co will make a profit from Liverpool. Of that there is no doubt.

The Irish Rover


 

 

09 Sep 2012 05:02:04
Hi eds thanks for the job but why arent the rumours being posted as it was before?thanks

Aneesh {Ed002's Note - The window for transfers is shut Aneesh - there are much fewer rumours.}


 

 

09 Sep 2012 04:38:16
Evening all,

I posted the "an open letter in support of..." passage the other day. I didn't leave my name off on purpose, I put it in the "name" section, and didn't realise it wouldn't be included in the post.

In response to the critics and cynics FSG just want to make a profit selling the clubť and they don't have the money to back BRť

1. FSG is a consortium of business men. If they were only interested in making a profit then there are much safer bets than paying 300 million for a football club on the way down (and LFC was almost out when they bought us) and making a loss for the first 4 years (at least).

2. There are no (meaning: 0, zilch, none, nada) petro/gas billionaires waiting in the wings to buy the club from FSG if LFC becomes profitable. This theory is a load of bull**it to put it politely. My Physics degree from Oxford is (relatively) basic I admit, but if my maths is right (and I'm sure it is) then FSG would have MADE a significant amount of money if they'd put that cash into a standard savers account rather than buy LFC. As it stands LFC is making a loss which FSG are paying for out of their own pockets.

3. FSG are investing in the Red Sox and not in LFC: this is true, it cannot be denied. However the most important factor here is that the Red Sox are stable (they make more $$$ than they spend on wages) where as LFC is haemorrhaging £££. Many of the first team players we had on our books were signed on champions leagueť contracts (Maxi, Kuyt, Cole, Aquilani etc) and without that £20 million< income, can't be sustained, so the wage bill had to be trimmed. FSG have always maintained that they want to INCREASE the amount of £££ spent on players, but will not do so until the club is self-sustaining, something which given LFC's global support should not be beyond us. Poor decisions made in the past the Moores and H&G ownerships are still affecting LFC.

4. A question for which I invite any credible answers: If you own LFC, but don't have billions of £££ to throw into the abyss, then how do you take the club like back to the top? My answer would be to buy players at a younger age and develop them ourselves. Fortunately for FSG, Houllier and Benitez built the foundations and revolutionised the LFC academy; they brought in exceptional coaches and under 18 players. The system has already delivered Kelly, Flanagan, Robinson, Sterling, and Shelvey. Suso, Amoo, Ibe etc are still to come, never mind Yesil and Assaidi who have been bought to bolster the 1st team for this year.

5. FSG should have backed BR on deadline day. I agree with you! I believe BR when he says he wouldn't have let Carroll go if he knew there wouldn't be a replacement coming in. However, I do understand FSG's point of view. They've paid £150 million< for: a raw but impressive striker, the most prolific goal scorer in Holland, one of the most consistent wingers in the PL, one of the top 3 left backs in the PL, and 2 of the most promising midfielders in the PL, and have been rewarded with an 8th place finish. Yes Dempsey is a proven PL forward, but Downing has spent his whole career in the PL and we all know about that.

6. BR isn't the man to take LFC forward. I can't predict the future and neither can anyone else, but I'm willing to support and trust him. His system will take time (maybe months) to bear fruit but he's bought well: we've needed pace on the flanks for years; he bought Assaidi and Borini (and promoted Sterling). He wants us to keep possession; he brought in Allen and Sahin, and is giving Shelvey more game time. Some fans are saying that BR shouldn't be trusted because he only built on the work of Suosa and Martinez at Swansea. What did Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish do if not build on Shankly's work?

7. As a final point; this is not a criticism of any off the current squad. I've been to games and seen Henderson, Downing and Enrique put in exceptional performances and I hope they will do so again in red shirts.

8. As Shankly once said: If you can't support us when we draw or lose, don't support us when we winť

FSG & BR: There are many of us who still believe in the Liverpool way: You'll never walk alone.

A pleasure, as always, fellow Reds.
I welcome your comments; negative, positive or abusive. I mean it! If you feel the need to direct threats at our; Owners, Manager, MD, Chairman or any other member of staff or their families then you are welcome to try them out on me first.

James


Wise words James. The sooner some people get what you've written the better!


Well said James totally agree with you
TSB


James - not sure why your physics degree from Oxford needed the mention - but good post, though in (6) don't you mean BR IS the man to take LFC forward?

Puzzled


James how did we win the things we have done in the past with less money than we have now is it all down to wages or just having better players , perhaps einsteins theory can help us , i agree with your sentiments we all need to take it on the chin and get behind lfc.
red mick tag


Good post mate. Should be tattooed on the forehead to all the FSG out merchants, incidentally half just say that rubbish because they're Americans. The other half are just a bunch of ill informed brainless sheep who jump on any cause they can in the defence of LFC, welll that's what they think in their tiny minds anyhow.Quite a lot of the time after giving the club/owners a good ripping, they'll put YNWA at the end of what they have say. In those tiny minds i just mentioned putting those four letters there gives them a real feeling of validation and belonging amongst the brainless tribe of sheep they belong to. Anyhow just a few things that can sort the wheat from the chaff, or the real fans from the Walter Mitty type characters who are stinking our club to high heaven with their whim changing bullirubbish.
JohnnyBoy


Point 8 not a proper quote from the great man.But some good points in this post feel a bit better having read it.Tommy Irish Red


No, Puzzled, he means that's what people are saying in their complaints. Sorry, had to pick up on that!

Reddie Eddie


Reddie Eddie - no sweat, if I misread it I apologise to James for picking up on a mistake that wasn't

Puzzled


 

 

09 Sep 2012 05:02:25
Arsenal fan here, always had a soft spot for Liverpool and would like to say in my opinion I think you have the next big manager. Have a feeling with him at the helm and if they give him a chance he'll lead you back up towards the top where you should be. I'm coming up to watch the game against the saints (my 2nd team) in December. Got tickets for the Kop. Always wanted to go there just hoping you don't kick there arses to badly. Good luck for the rest of the season and back BR to the hilt he's going to be fantastic there.
Stoner


Think he should be given time but I'm still not convinced about him.


How many teams do you actually support?? An Arsenal fan who has a soft spot for liverpool and who's second team is Southampton.....lol ...get a grip and stop taking tickets off genuine LFC fans.


Always knew arsenal fans were far better than any other London club.tommy Irish Red


Arsenal fan with a soft spot for liverpool? the saints are your 2nd team?.the question is what age are you? and how many teams do you actually support?


Hes a fan of football. Its not that uncommon to be honest. I would watch Arsenal and Barca all day. It doesnt make me support Liverpool any less

The Irish Rover


 

 

09 Sep 2012 03:27:10
Eds and fellow posters. As you all know Liverpool have supporters from all over the world. Personally I am from Australia and I have a question that has been bugging me for a while now.

Our two main rivals are Everton and Man Utd. My question is, who is the bigger rival. Personally I hate Man Utd much more than Everton. I just can't stand them.

So maybe if someone who has been supporting and living in Liverpool for some time could explain which rivalry is bigger. Personal opinions as well. :D

BADGER


The rivalry between Liverpool and both Everton and Manchester United is probably equal - the rivalry with Everton is more friendly for a number of reasons namely that we share the same city, we often live and work together in the city (and have some quality banter as a result), our family and friends often support the opposing clubs and Everton have been quite weak for an extended period of time - these factors tend to make the rivalry less intense.

People from Liverpool generally don't like people from Manchester, irrespective of football. There is a rivalry between the cities and has been for quite a long time, the two clubs of Manchester United and Liverpool are the most successful English clubs (Liverpool being THE most successful) and given Uniteds recent dominance of the domestic scene they are our biggest barrier in terms of silverware and success - compared to Everton they are much more of a threat. Given these circumstances you could assume that Liverpools rivalry with United is more fierce, perhaps more nasty, than the rivalry with Evertons. However, there isn't really one rivalry that is greater than the other - both are equally strong, they just have different dynamics.

I think if you asked most Liverpool fans which club do they hate the most they would say Manchester United. Everton are big rivals because of there proximity but in terms of their success and their challenge to Liverpools dominance they are relatively small fry - I apologise if this perceived arrogance offends Evertonians but the fact is Liverpool are way more successful and have had the upper hand over you for 20 years now. That is not to undermine or belittle Everton Football Club, it's just the lack of competitiveness in recent years has taken the spice out of the rivalry - if Everton become strong again (and under Moyes that is a distinct possibility) then expect you would expect the rivalry to intensify accordingly.

Finally, and this is the biggest point, Evertonians are still scousers - as such we, as Liverpool fans, have a lot in common with them. With United there is genuine contempt, with Everton there is much mutual respect, banter and friendliness despite the rivalry. There are some very unpleasant Everton fans - there are some equally unpleasant Liverpool fans - but the vast majority of both fans have a healthy respect for one another, despite the rivalry.

None of the positive aspects of Liverpools rivalry with Everton apply with United - we just don't like each other :)

Hope that helps clarify the rivalry somewhat.


SMc

SMc


Same. i live in australia as well and hate manutd much more then everton. maybe its becuase we dont live there....and cahill was a ripping australian player for everton as well


It's man u. If everyone became a successful club it would be them. Its like Man Utd now say man city because we can't compete.


Rivalry changes mate. Although there was rivalry between the clubs during the eighties and before, it was the lack of success for Utd which bred a hatred against Liverpool. Everton were winning things and as both teams shared the success the rivalry was 'friendly'. Evertons unfortunate demise bred a bitter hatred towards Liverpool and likewise for Liverpool supporters during Utd's two decades of success. The rivalry has always been there yet the level of rivalry (or hatred in some cases) against both Utd and Everton reflects on the performance of all mentioned teams. I personally don't hate anyone or anything other than the brand of Manchester Utd football club yet cannot find myself to 'hate' Everton due to my respect of my fellow scousers and the city and surrounding areas. I think opinion is divided though and I hear more reds encouraging a Utd win over Everton which is something I personally find wrong. I suspect it's down to the daily in-your-face nasty criticism from Evertonians but many reds are just as bad. Supporters of Liverpool, Utd and Everton are as bad as each other in many ways as success breeds bitterness.

DaveyBootle


Everton football club was first founded and is "the peoples football club" in liverpool. If you walk past Everton stadium they have it written under their name for a reason why they are better.

Anfield was originally the home of Everton F.C. from 1884 to 1892. They use to play at Anfield but didn't want to pay for the stadiums rent, like all scourers where a little cheap. They decided to go off and built their own stadium because the owner of Anfield was getting rich off of Everton FC, which left the owner of Anfield stadium with a huge problem.

How to maintain a empty stadium and bring in rent from it and pay the bills. He might of turned Anfield into the first boy band stadium, if we had boy bands back then, but decided to make is own team.

You have to remember that in England 1892 a huge change was taking place. The poor farm workers where being caught up in the industrial revolution, this meant people where being offered lots of money to work in factories and Saturday and Sunday off. Sunday was Gods day. All of a sudden people had money to spend on pointless stuff like leisure time.

In Liverpool they made ships this is important. So alot of these people all of a sudden had money in their pockets and had Saturday and Sunday off to do nothing. This is a very interesting time in UK history. It gives rise to England's to main passions. Saturday was football and Sunday was gardening/god. These two leisure times can be tracks all the way through British history. England invented football and has a passion for gardening.

Liverpool Football Club were founded in March 1892 by John Houlding, who owned the Anfield Road stadium.

Everton FC had disagreement about the increasing rents each year and how Houlding was taking advantage. They moved to Goodison Park

Houlding was left with an empty stadium and so formed Liverpool Football Club. Being a clever man he noticed everton had missed a trick by not calling themselves Liverpool and decided to built his own team called liverpool FC.

He then rounded up a bunch of scotish drunks from the local pub and that was the true starting of liverpool football club. John McKenna was first scotish manager. Liverpool has always been a scotish club with ties to scotish managers.

The Merseyside derby was born 13 October 1894. Traditionally, the Liverpool derby was referred to as the friendly derby because of the large number of families who have both Reds and Blues supporters. True supporters in Liverpool think they are blue and glory hunters are red as a popular sentiment. Another sentiment echoed is that Most people in liverpool truly support Blue everton while alot of people outside of liverpool support liverpool due to past glories.

It is one of the few local derbies that does not enforce total fan segregation. Evertonians and Liverpudlians sitting together during the derby.

________________________________

Manchester Utd

This goes back to the industrial revolution also and beef was created by Manchester location in the country. Manchester is a industrial town made up of 4 traditional industries. located in the middle of the country with no water ports next to them. They where forced to ship in materials from Liverpool. Manchester people seemed to hate each other so where divided by 4 stands so weilders in one section, fruit + tinner packers in another section Ion workers stand. They came together to support manchester utd. They hated each other and they hated man city. Alot of hate in manchester.
Well they didn't like having to ship in goods from liverpool and pay to have them shipped to Manchester. with the invention of waterways and Canal Boating. They decided to bypass expensive liverpool and to get their products from other ports.

This created the needle found in the Manchester Darby. The hate goes back to this by-passing of trade and making Liverpool poorer. Then the title chases and so on added to it all.

You have to remember that these clubs where created by the industries that paid them to work. Most of the rivalry spills over from work issues from 1900s.


Man u would be the bigger rival, especially given that they now have more league titles then us. As a devoted red for over 30 years, I would have to say I respect the toffees as a rival and am friends with many of them, some of them are in the family.
I remember going to the 1986 final at Wembley as an 11 year old with my mum. After the match their was a crowd surge in the corridors outside just as we were leaving. Despite being dressed all in Red and winning 3-1, a toffee picked me up and put me on his shoulders so as to not be crushed as well as his mates shielding my mum. I don't think their are any other rival fans that would do the same.
I wish the blues all the best just as long as they do not beat us and finish lower then us!
With regards Man-u - its not worth the typo discussing them!
Boysie-red


Its all location i think mate. I'm from Wales and i hate United more too, but assume the Everton rivalry comes from our boys in the city,bragging rights and such. i would hazard a guess at most people outside Liverpool hate United more,and vice versa!
WBD


Manchester/Salford are trying to grab a piece of the action through peel holdings proposal to expand Seaforth Docks! I would tell them to do-one myself. Typical greedy, money-grabbing marketing team with a slimey council looking down on everyone. It's a frightening statistic when you compare the population of the CITY of Manchester to that of the CITY of Liverpool compared to 'Greater Manchester'. They've nailed it though, I'll give them that, but the surrounding towns (and the city of Salford) of Manchester are being sucked in losing their identity to something that really doesn't exist. I noticed a welcome sign in Manchester recently which read 'this is Manchester'...ring any bells?

DaveyBootle


The slogan the peoples club is recent it was started by david moyes he is from glasgow and pinced it from rangers as their fans used to say they were the people as in the chosen people they used to chant we are the people, therefore the peoples club. red mick tag


Thanks guy. That was an interesting read!

I remember watching an Liverpool vs Everton match, at goodison i think, and there were Everton fans holding up banner saying "Welcome Liverpool fans", or something along those lines. I assumed the Everton derby was more a friendly one.

On the other hand. The mancs, I just love to hate them.

BADGER


 

 

09 Sep 2012 03:12:24
all of us have got to get on board with this guy (br).If we dont were screwed.Every LIVERPOOL supporter who truely cares for the club needs to back br with in everyway they can.If we do im positive he will work some real magic at our club.Just listen to what he says ie in reguards to communication with his staffPlayers.he is honest and direct he knows he cant work with a carrol so whats the point in messing arroud for six months trying to make it work (move on).he is great with young players for a reason.they have not developed bad habbits yet and thier willing to learn and get better (he is a great teachercoach).The guy is honest ,ambitious and good at his job.If we give him a chance(thats what liverpool fans do isn't it) he will give us one hell of achance.


We the fans do back br but do fsg back him and do they care what we think as long as we turn up they are not worried.


Not wot Liverpool fans do these days unfortunately, all they seem to know is how to how to give abuse!


 

 

09 Sep 2012 02:57:04
I dont get why everyone is overreacting to the striker situation. We have great players in the youth squad who will be much more influential than say sturridge. Barcelonas entire team is like 90% barca bred and ours is perhaps 5-10%.


90% Barca Bred?? You are well & truely way off the mark there my friend.


Remember when we were fab every one wanted to be lfc now look at us after two sets of owners who have not had the right idea (yet). red mick tag


 

 

09 Sep 2012 01:32:47
Watched the movie Moneyball earlier guys,, John Henry is in it,,, I think the solution to all our clubs problems would be if we hired Billy Bean as a striker to play along side Saurez


I made a point about Moneyball a few weeks ago...it gives good insight about how JWH likes his business to be run.

I didn't find it encouraging at all.

StrabaneRed


Well he thought Damien commoli to be our own version of Billy bean and that turned out well..
furthermore the movie demonstrates how to maximize result and success with limited resources ..I for one is not really convinced how that would be applicable to a club of this stature..


 

 

09 Sep 2012 01:24:36
Wonder what the odds are for Lucas Leiva to be next LFC captain might be worth a couple of bob on that.....

Sooty


I personally think it will happen but injury could stop this as he seems to be a bit injury prone


 

 

09 Sep 2012 00:44:34
It's all rather pathetic.
A manager who has a large picture of himself in his house.
Owners who think a bunch of schoolkids can win the league.
A load of posters who think every great striker is desperate to play for us.
A media that talks of Liverpool as a mid-table team.
Fred Karno's Circus more like.

Freudred


First things first the owners have made mistakes and have admitted that. seconly i dont like when all these posts bout villa , kaka and the likes but some fans dare to dream and thirdly when did the media do liverpool any justice NEVER . but let me tell u as a liverpool fan i think in brendan rodgers we have a manager who is a great manager regardless of whether he has a self portrait in his house and to be quiet honest thats rather frequent in alot of peoples houses. but ur circus wont happen because for once the media and the rest of us dont know our business which is a good thing. now be a fan support the owners the manager the team and more importantly LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB the only thing choking LFC at the moment is the moans when a missed placed pass happens because whether u know it or not that really affects a team. so just get behind them and cheer em on because we wer allways a passionate group at anfield but lately that passion for LFC hasnt been shown.

livlim YNWA LFC


Eds can we have day were posts don't need to get approved so we can all have a proper go at this guy?

BADGER


I disagree with you livlim - Liverpool have serious problems stemming from the very top of the tree, if the fans don't try to hold the owners to account then who will? You cannot expect paying, passionate, loyal fans to sit idly by and watch there club sink because of mismanagement - it is unfeasible and it is wrong. I don't trust these owners for a second - until they prove they are really in it for the long term, in it to really grow the club, help the club flourish, until this is proven I will not blindly trust them and neither should you. A good start would be to make a start on a new stadium/expansion of Anfield - this is something we have been crying out for for 15 years, it needs sorting. If they stumble, or delay, or fail to do anything meaningful regarding the stadium then you can guarantee they are not here for the long term - the fans are waiting John Henry, your slick open letters and political speak is not convincing all of us.

SMc


Freudred - the manager has barely began his tenure, give him a chance for christ sake.


SMc


"It's all rather pathetic."

Really?

"A manager who has a large picture of himself in his house."

Do you think Brendan got his digital camera, took a load of photos in numerous poses, chose on a good one an posterised it with photoshop, uploaded the photo to photobox and requested a large canvas print? Or perhaps it was taken by Swansea and he was given it when he left? You simply have no idea why it's there and where it came from.

"Owners who think a bunch of schoolkids can win the league."

This year? No. Next year? No. In a 3-5 years? Yes.

"A load of posters who think every great striker is desperate to play for us."

As posters, lets all turn our attention to mid table players for our mid table club....Of course we want to attract the best but I think we appreciate that Messi doesn't want to join Liverpool.

"A media that talks of Liverpool as a mid-table team.
Fred Karno's Circus more like."

Elements of the media are enjoying making the most of the Suarez incident (still!), the managerial situation from KKs sacking to Martinez rejection and Dempsey. A few journalists who support other team creating a storm in a teacup. If I was a journalist and Man U were going through a rough patch I'd be ripping them to pieces. I'd get bored when things turned around and so will those writing what they are doing now.


What does affect the team is when our good players who know about football at the highest level see the squad we have and they know why chelsea , man city , man u, arsenal and now spurs have potential it must be frustrating to see your top player forced out (torres should have stayed but fsg wanted the cash to make a statement , but it back fired on them) . red mick tag {Ed002's Note - Torres went because he wanted to.}


Ed002 torres went because he was forced out i know you support chelsea and want to think other wise ask david villa {Ed002's Note - IT doesn't matter who I support. Torres was not forced to sign a contract with Chelsea. There was no "statement" being made by the owners.}


Even h + g did not cash in on torres and they could have


 

 

09 Sep 2012 00:33:15
Ok People, If we are not in position to attract CL kinds of players, then there is no way we could get CL for next couple of years. And FSG themselves admit it was a fiasco on deadline day. So, Rodgers is working with a depleted team but have sufficient quality in it and has to rely on young players which always is risky and would not guarantee CL football atleast for this season. So my question is Will Rodgers be fired at the end of season if he does not achieve CL. That IMO is crime by FSG if they sack him except in the case we are relegated. They talked about long term goal and vision when they appointed them and they covered up their mistakes by telling there will be short term mistakes in this long term grand plan or what ever. So how are they going to fire Rodgers for small short term setback that is not getting CL which is a reality the club is in right now. I think U got my point. Every LFC fan know it would be miracle if we get CL footy next season and if owners think it as a failure and sack Rodgers for it, then they should sell up for the repeated mistakes they have been doing since past 2 years. Yes we are in mess because of DC and KD, but who appointed them and especially who trusted and appointed DC. Finally U get what U pay for. If not be patient for this so called grand plan and hope things work out. But firing managers destroy everything. The last thing we need is firing BR unless extreme conditions. If we do fire him the club will be set more backwards and we will struggle even to attract Sam Allardyce and there will be mass band wagon jumping of players. All I'm saying is if they fire BR for not achieving CL this year which by all means is the reality of the club then they seriously need to admit they have absolutely no knowledge of football and need to just sell up. Because achieving CL by Liverpool this season is just equal to LFC coming back from 3-0 down in Istanbul 2005. I know that happened and there is slim chance this could happen too. But it would have been crime to fire Rafa for not winning it if he had failed to do so. Same thing goes to BR too.

AJ


In my opinion BR will be at liverpool for a few yrs yet
livlim


I think Kenny was sacked because our form in the second half of the season would have seen us relegated on paper. Rodgers doesn't have to gain champions league qualification to improve us on where we were last year! Although i agree that they've shafted him,after chasing him all summer. So,in summary,i agree. if they sack him for failing to acheive champions league then they are muppets!
WBD


 

 

09 Sep 2012 00:28:14
Don't get too worried about football there are More inportant things in life

Shankly was joking, or at least had his tongue very firmly in cheek

Love you anyway


 

 

08 Sep 2012 23:29:29
As feelings of frustration turn to hope that one or two of the young players might step up, do the eds agree on the players most likely to prove their worth - alongside Sterling of course? {Ed001's Note - Suso for me.}


Suso and Morgan

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Im gonna say morgan and yesil will chip in with goals to get us rocking and rolling and brini i have great faith in


Why do people keep mentioning morgan. have you seen him play. He's not fast, not great at passing and can't tackle. Really he aint up to the job and never will. Ngoo is a better all round player


 

 

 
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