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24 Apr 2024 21:48:13
How comes chatting on the live feed is a closed shop? Perhaps I missed something.

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{Ed033's Note - We had to, to stop any trolls.

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24 Apr 2024 22:12:14
Ok makes sense. How do I get on the waiting list?
Having said that, I would have just moaned tonight so perhaps it was a blessing in disguise! šŸ˜‚.

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{Ed033's Note - You're now on the waiting list. I'll add you tomorrow.

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24 Apr 2024 22:28:15
Was there a game tonight?

Did anyone tell Klopp and the players?

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24 Apr 2024 22:40:56
You couldn't do anything but moan after that, RedA.
Almost all of that team is unable to tackle. I've never bought into that new midfield since the season began.

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24 Apr 2024 17:46:27
ā€œThatā€™s why I can be very frustrated when a referee even makes the slightest mistake to your disadvantage. This can have so much influence while youā€™re not able to control anything. All preparation can be ruined because of a referee mistake. This can be my biggest frustration! - Arne Slot

Heā€™s going to love the prem this guy!

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24 Apr 2024 18:00:34
His first signing will be Mark Clattenberg.
Forest have had no luck since he went there šŸ˜‚.

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24 Apr 2024 22:24:29
Clattenburg might be better in front of goal for us. After all he knows the language so heā€™ll be more composed.

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24 Apr 2024 17:31:50
Hello Eds. Personal preferences of your respected selves aside, do we know who is/ was the preferred choice for LFC to replace Klopp?

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{Ed025's Note - i expect it was Alonso Kimos..

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24 Apr 2024 18:09:14
Thanks Ed025. You donā€™t always get what you want. Hope you stay up and Iā€™m sure you will. I finally got my son to Anfield for a game before Klopp left. The game v Saints and his only regret was that he didnā€™t get to look across to Goodison! Great night though in Liverpool.

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{Ed025's Note - its a very friendly city Kismos and i hope you visit Bramley moore dock when its finished mate...it will be amazing...and your lad may become a blue when he sees it.. :)

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24 Apr 2024 18:43:30
No chance he becomes a blue mate! Speaking to an old blue when we were there and asking her what becomes of Goodison, she had no idea and a little wistful with it. Developers move in and fill their boots, I guess?

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{Ed025's Note - yeah its getting re-developed mate..

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24 Apr 2024 18:51:26
Hopefully for the bestā€¦.

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24 Apr 2024 19:51:18
To be fair - and I probably shouldn't say this on a derby night, Bramley Moor is going to look fantastic when itā€™s finished.

Thereā€™s so much work to do around that area though as save for the titanic itā€™s an absolute state.

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24 Apr 2024 13:57:58
If the runours we are signing Slot are true are we getting the best man for the job, the man who is best qualified to continue our winning ways and further progression from the Klopp Era?
Or, are we getting the guy that suits Edward's and Co and their supposed agenda of keeping control of everything and the new manager just being a coach?

What's your thoughts Ed1 and fellow posters?

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{Ed001's Note - agenda? Surely the agenda they have is bringing in the best coach to progress the club?}

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24 Apr 2024 15:03:50
@Ed01, thatā€™s way to simplistic a way to look at things, mate.

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24 Apr 2024 15:17:29
If 2 months ago we were all told that Klopp was going to be replaced by a manager that many of the fan base had no knowledge of and with limited CL experience then Iā€™m sure we would have all been worried.

Alonso was definitely coming and then so was Amorim. Iā€™ve always said whoever comes in has huge shoes to fill but the comfort factor for me is that we have one hell of a squad.

The new manager is 100% happening next season see might as well all get onboard and let it all play out and hopefully we hot the ground running.

Biggest negative is that Arsenal and City under Arteta and Pep will also still be there next season.

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24 Apr 2024 16:06:48
Any manager coming in would be a risk to varying degrees. Now, I donā€™t claim to know much about the Dutch league but since last night I have tried to gain a better understanding of the man that is Arne Slot and the opinion of him by all Dutch fans via varies forums, interviews, what journalist say about him and players currently playing under him, and those that have in the past, along with tactical analysis videos.

My personal opinion, and I could be wrong here is this might be a masterstroke by Edwards. I read he was on course to win the league with a team called AZ, which would have been something close to a miracle. But the season was cut short due to the C.V. and as a result no one was declared the champions that year. Opposition fans have said he is nothing like Ten Hag and are confused at our fanbase having meltdown due to his impending appointment. They say they have never seen such good football from any team in recent memory and that he will shock a lot of us. The way theyā€™re talking, and that includes opposition and direct rival fans of Feyenoord took me back, in a good way. Here is just one comment I read on a forum and there are countless others from Feyenoord and rival fans that echo the same sentiment:

ā€œIā€™ve followed Feyenoord for 40 years. Not since the days of Johan Cruyff at Ajax in the 1980s has there been a coach so attack-minded in the Dutch league. Cruyff only had a few disciples who followed him and one of them was Pep Guardiola. ā€ ā€œI would say Slot is a Guardiola-style manager based on everything Iā€™ve seen over the past couple of years. The fans of Feyenoord canā€™t believe what theyā€™ve seen over that time. ā€.

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24 Apr 2024 16:25:12
Alonso, from what little I have read about him, I'd agree with your assessment.

He is giving me 'Endo-like' vibes - Feyenoord fans are all going to be really sad to see him go as they have come to love his football, but all wish him nothing but the best at Liverpool.

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24 Apr 2024 16:26:38
I'll explain a bit better, by agenda I mean that it is being reported that Amorim wanted more say in the transfer but was told that won't be the case. So we are going for a manager that is happier to have less say in purchases.
Weren't all those Dutch forums and fans and papers also saying the same about Ten Haag before he went to Utd.

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24 Apr 2024 16:27:41
Ten Hagā€™s Ajax played some excellent football @Alonso. I wouldnā€™t mind if Slot is anything like Ten Hag. He flopped at United for many other reasons.

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24 Apr 2024 16:46:58
Everything is a gamble and that includes Klopp when he came in. We had NO idea we would be where we are and have won the lot esp. at the beginning when things weren't working out and we could not get over the line despite playing the best footie I personally, had ever seen us play over the years back then. Klopp says til this day that he would be forever grateful to FSG for NOT quitting on him during those years, btw.

Slot is by all accounts, forging a good reputation for himself and he has shown that he can win the league, win other trophies (like the Dutch Cup Feyenoord won last Sun) and compete in Europe albeit in the Conference League.

Also, don't forget that as is the norm with our recruitment of players, Slot is prolly according to Edwards and his bros. the next best thing in management coming up the ranks (after Xabi and prolly Amorim) and feel they'd better get him now before he explodes cos then he would be exploding with LFC, the same way recruiting players like Salah, Mane, Bobbie, VVD, Ali and the rest we signed when they were right at the cusp of blowing up. We know the results of such investments. If Slot comes good anywhere near that then, we will be well on our way again.

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24 Apr 2024 16:52:29
Jurgen Klopp himself was a so called ā€˜yes manā€™. He agreed to defer responsibility to scouts and analysts when signing players. It was a relationship that led to us signing the likes of Salah. Jurgens willingness to collaborate is one of the main reasons we were so successful.

Brendan Rodgers was not a ā€˜yes manā€™. He was an arrogant blert who argued the toss over transfers and then bleated to his media buddies that he was being oppressed. The club had to buy him Benteke as a consolation for accepting them pushing Firmino onto him. All of the signings made off his own back were rubbish.

I want a manager happy to work within the structure that bore fruit for us in the past. Many were happy when Edwards returned, but are now annoyed that he is doing his job in the way he has always done it?

Embarrassing contradictions being thrown about everywhere.

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24 Apr 2024 17:03:38
@Zeddicus. I'm with you on the Endo-like vibes. And the Feyenoord fans are completely distraught.

@TheBeekeper. According to Ajax fans, Ten Hagā€™s football as good as it was, and I quote, is not in the same stratosphere tactically, both defensively in the way they press and in particular attacking wise. Plus, their demeanours are very much different. Slot apparently has more presence and authority. He is known for his excellent man management and closeness with the players and fans. However, as we know nothing is guaranteed in football, so we will have to see how he fairs over here.

Having said that, and I could be completely off with what Iā€™m about to say. Iā€™m very optimistic that he is going to be more successful than any of us could have predicted.

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24 Apr 2024 17:22:04
Edwards and Co keeping control of everything? He's only been back at the club two minutes! And the same goes for the bloke from Bournemouth. Hughes, is it?
So Alonso decides to stay where he is, Amorim isn't viable, we have to look elsewhere and fans are losing their heads šŸ˜‚.
There's only one Klopp and we had him for nine years but it's time to move on. We can't just appoint a big name that everyone knows and wants and give him billions to spend.
That's not how it works and I should be surprised that fans don't know this but I'm not.

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24 Apr 2024 17:28:36
The last year Ten Hag won the league with Ajax, the manager of the year award went to Slot rather than Ten Hag. He sounds excitingly progressive in his approach on the field and in terms of his approach to the game would seem a younger, more energetic version of Klopp.

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24 Apr 2024 17:33:49
What kind of football he play Alonso and formation wise.

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24 Apr 2024 17:53:51
4.3.2.1 or 4.3.3 jk23 with inverted goalkeeper as Ed said.

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24 Apr 2024 18:09:47
@JK23. Starts of as 4-2-3-1 but often switches to 4-4-2 when the opposition is attacking to provide a solid defensive shape. He has thrown surprises if he feels the opponent is inferior. This is to completely dominate and suffocate the opposition into submission. Slots is meant to be very good tactically and his teams PRESS. Apparently, he will not accept any passengers in his side. I read that over a few seasons (canā€™t remember which ones) teams managed by him had the most chance created and shots on goal from any team across the top leagues in Europe. Iā€™m by no means an expert on Slot, in fact far from it. Just passing on what I have gathered so far. But in short Its defensively sound, extremely high pressing, ultra attacking, fast paced, goal filled, exciting football.

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24 Apr 2024 18:23:33
Theyā€™re calling him the Dutch Guardiola.

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24 Apr 2024 18:26:55
He plays the double inverted nipple pivot so brace yourselves. Both trent and robbo will invert into midfielders.

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24 Apr 2024 18:47:50
Is the beekeeper a troll? Spouts utter nonsense.

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24 Apr 2024 18:59:36
Alonso said rejected the opportunity to be our manager as he wants Madrid. Amorim was interested but not on our terms, if Slot has said unequivocally yes then thatā€™s great, heā€™s got a growing reputation, Bayern, Barca, Milan and Juve were all sniffing around and theyā€™re not going to employ a Brendan Rodgers. Slot rejected Spurs and Chelsea last year which would have been the easy option. Heā€™s got a reasonable pick of clubs. Given that Alonso and Amorim either said flat no or made demands that the club are not willing to meet, heā€™s the best option. No one can seriously say that theyā€™d want any of Kovac, Tuchel, Frank, De Zerbi or Fonseca over Slot can they?

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24 Apr 2024 22:09:07
Unfortunately when push came to shove Endo was shown to be not quite up to a full season. Like many dropped off a cliff recently.

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24 Apr 2024 22:14:30
Nunez and Salah cost us for me. Nunez takes his chance tonight its a different story. Unfortunately he turned out to be a sht Andy Carroll in 2nd half of season.

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24 Apr 2024 13:25:00
I didn't want Klopp to go, but it had to end at some point, he was a bit of a one off. I don't know much about Slot, but I trust FSG have a process and have identified what they want in a manager but reading some of the posts from the bedwetters on here you'd think he was Sam Allardyce.

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24 Apr 2024 14:22:20
Read that Slot and Linders apparently have a good relationship.

Could it be a possibility that Linders stays on in some capacity. That way it gives the new manager some breathing space because if it all goes wrong next season we can just blame Pep.

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{Ed002's Note - No Lijnders is leaving and will not be offered the managerial position at Feyenoord or Ajax but could end up at Besiktas after Marc Kosicke offered him to them - perhaps with Peter Krawietz as his assistant. The club are looking to Slot having Sipke Hulshoff join him but it is likely he will want Liverpool to allow him to maintain his role as an assistant to the National side. Hulshoff is out of contract in the summer. Feyenood will not want to lose other staff until they have ironed out the details with his replacement but have already made clear they would like Etienne Reijnen to stay after only recently joining.}

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24 Apr 2024 14:30:31
I donā€™t know if you said it on purpose or for this very reason, but the moment you refer to fellow LFC fans as ā€œbedwettersā€, your point probably isnā€™t worth listening to with any great intent.

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24 Apr 2024 14:48:23
Cheers for the reply Ed002.

Will Liverpool also have to allow Hulshoff to maintain his role as a lifeguard on baywatch also.

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{Ed002's Note - Absolutely.}

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24 Apr 2024 15:40:04
Ed, I thought that he would want to bring his own coaching team to Liv. Maybe a few peoples in his coaching team at Fayenoord with him if not all of them.

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{Ed002's Note - Sipke Hulshoff yes; John de Wolf - I doubt would be interested at his age and Feyenoord want Etienne Reijnen to stay. After that I can't help with any of the other staff.}

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24 Apr 2024 16:49:07
Thanks for all the info, Ed02. You called it. Also, why do you think we went for Slot, in any case? Cheers, man.

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{Ed002's Note - He was clearly the third choice. The football is similar to Klopp and Amorim and the players will like him.}}

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24 Apr 2024 17:23:10
He'll be the Kit man, JK.

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24 Apr 2024 19:03:18
And youā€™ve hit the nail on the head Ed. Similar football philosophy and the players will want to work for him. As disappointing as it is that Alonso said no, itā€™s a fifty fifty between Slot and Amorim, so canā€™t say Iā€™m unhappy with it. Looking forward to seeing what he can bring to the team.

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24 Apr 2024 13:14:57
Hats off Ed002. I know it's not a done deal but was scratching my head when you were mentioning Slot as he was nowhere in the betting and not mentioned by ANYONE else as far as I could see.

I know you don't need kudus from us but Slot and Gravenberch is impressive info.

Have you ever revealed your occupation or why you provide us with cool info for free?

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{Ed033's Note - Ed002 is [allegedly] a retired rodeo clown, but still a gentleman adventurer, as far as i know.

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24 Apr 2024 13:45:47
Ed002 may not need any kudus from but I would still very much want Kudus from West Ham šŸ˜.

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24 Apr 2024 14:45:28
A Chelsea fan with obvious insider knowledge when it comes to Dutch individuals. Obviously Ed002 must be Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink! (or possibly Ed de Goey)

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24 Apr 2024 12:58:35
Liverpool Liverbird

Nevada has written an article entitled, Is Arne Slot A Good Fit For Liverpool?

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24 Apr 2024 13:38:16
A good read but somthing yuou could have added on the dressing influence. Can he manage the big egoes at LFC and that's where Ten Hag failed. Ten hag's Ajax played some breathtaking football but he simply couldn't control the UTD dressing room. He couldn't install any discipline and that is my worry for Slot. Do you think Salah, Robbo and VVD would listen to him?
Klopp had the spine to drop both Salah and VVD when needed, Can slot do the same?
As good as the coach you are if you cannot control the big stars you are doomed.

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24 Apr 2024 13:59:19
Do you think failing to control a dressing room is a Dutch thing, Beek? A bald Dutch thing?

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24 Apr 2024 14:14:06
The United dressing rooms full of clowns, Iā€™d imagine our lot, especially the elders to be much more civilised.
VVD will respect Slot (no doubt he still closely follows football in his homeland and will know heā€™s a good manager and person) and the players respect the captain.

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24 Apr 2024 15:07:44
Go on, Iā€™ll bite ā€¦. Where has the ā€œbig goesā€ thing come from?

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24 Apr 2024 15:15:11
I didn't even realise the post got turned into an article.

I intentionally didn't touch the man management side of the game because the truth is he's not been around long enough to manage any big egos, that tends to happen when you manage a 'big club' also my profession is sports psychologist and I have consulted in top level football before so it would be a professional faux Pas to suggest I can ascertain his mental acumen without spending any time with him.

Hope that answers the question.

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24 Apr 2024 16:53:55
TheBeekeeper, Ten Hag can't coach. in fact according to some Utd fans out there, he is the absolute worst manager in the PL cos nobody has any idea what his style is or what his players are trying to do. At least when you watch Luton or Sheff Utd, you can tell what they are trying to do even tho, they aren't good at it.

If you tactic is "boys, we'll go out there and hope for the best" then sorry, I wouldn't let you coach my kid's U-10 basketball team (if Ten Hag was a basketball coach) cos even they don't deserve such levels of incompetence. Dreadful manager and an even bigger fraud.

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24 Apr 2024 17:00:02
"Slot is very similar except his teams tend to have the ball a lot more and only use counter press to help keep the ball as opposed to create opportunities. In Slot's teams, the chances come from wide cut backs more often than not or wide forwards cutting inside. "

Exactly. Per what I have learned, Slot is more of a Guardiola disciple than Klopp is and that comment summed it up. Now that aside, I feel you are very negative and harsh in your assessment of the appointment.

The inuendos of "FSG thinks he is a cheaper option" and all that to me, is a bit iffy cos we really don't know how the selection process happened nor what Slot is really like. So for me, let's keep an open mind and see how things pan out should Slot take the job. Just my take.

Nice read, btw.

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24 Apr 2024 18:47:29
Thanks Oli.

That's just my opinion not based on his salary but his requirements. Both Alonso and amorim would require multiple signings due to their different system of play. Slot can almost start from day one, though I'll argue we will need a right back because I'm 100% certain he'll move trent to a be part of a midfield double pivot with macallister.

I'm skeptical but not negative. I've heard how people talk about the Liverpool job in professional circles and while I wouldn't use the phrase poisoned chalice it is the one which springs to mind, whoever takes it will either be brave or looking for a payday.

In my mind the next guy is almost a sacrificial lamb to remove the stigma of "following klopp" if he does well then even better.

Oddly I actually think the way slot plays will work better in prem than the way klopp plays as slot tactics (I believe) would be more effective against teams that don't want the ball.

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24 Apr 2024 18:50:22
Also Oli, if it isn't obvious from my comments on ten hag, I do not rate ten hag. I felt at the time the United job was too soon for him.

He doesn't seem to learn, against Coventry United were doing fine until the double Coventry change on 60 mins, which was to exploit space being left in front of Maguire and behind wan bissaka and it worked beautifully. Ten hag response was to send on eriksen to cover the area just in front of the box. which absolutely anyone on earth would have known would solve nothing.

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24 Apr 2024 19:27:48
Hi Nevada,

Thanks for that - very comprehensive and good read

You alluded to the fact the Liverpool are not that big of a dry for coaches - in the article and previous posts I read recently

I note your backround in sports psychology in various spots including footy and you have gotten some good calls correct on here
In terms of Liv not being a top top draw - Do you know why that is? Im mean we may be behind the mega clubs such as Barca, Real, Bayern maybe but they are a handful. In term of history and recent success, finances, fans, facilities etc surely we are right up there (top 5-6 clubs europe? ) We all love Liverpool and think we are the no.1 and I appreciate that's not actually the case but we are surely top 5-6 clubs in europe (the world by extension) .
What gives i suppose is my point?


thx.

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