15 Feb 2015 10:43:48
Rogers out
Yes it took time to get his shape and players to settle, and mistakes were made Stevie shouldn't have been DM, legs gone, but now he has a young team that from now on needs 1 good player per year rather than trying to buy 2-3 worldies.
We can't compete with City and Chelsea financially, and but for a striker would have beaten chelsea in the cup.
So you lot want a new manager who will have his style and his back room team who will need to settle. That's other clubs not ours.
Enjoy the football let the manager learn he's still a pup and mistakes will be made
I've said it all along Pete.
He's made mistakes yet he's still learning, and hopefully he will continue at our club.
Not many on here will agree with us lad as they want blood.
There's been venomous hatred directed at our manager to the point of personal insults.
Disgusting armchair supporters.
Anyway, them away fans don't stop singing his name and in my opinion, there opinion means so much more than a Sky Sports Fan.
Easy to highlight a problem, but it might be difficult to find a solution to it.
Fair assessment, but who could come in and promise us the title? Another question is, would they be interested in joining us?
If you can´t answer these questions, then there´s no point in stating "Rodgers out".
I like Rodgers and he deserves a lot of credit for turning our season around.
Points that need addressing under his tenure.
-We are courting FFP sanctions due to his high spending on player he wanted but never played, or couldn't cut the mustard once they arrived in his opinion.
Examples, Aspas, Ilori, alberto, Lovren, Balotelli, assaidi, Borini.
Sold some good youth brought in some poor replacements.
Examples.Sold Kelly brought in Mnaquillo on loan, loaned out wisdom, now playing markovic wing back.
Has a tendency to piss a lot of players off. Sakho, Ilori, Suso, Reina, Sahin
I don't really watch his interviews, but almost every week he seems to open his mouth too quickly.
He promised a title challenge after we spent £100 mil+ this summer, we're in 7th position. I expected us to try and solidify 4th with a strong showing personally. Not clawing back points with 13 games to go.
The insistence of playing Gerrard DM without Suarez and Sturridge for his passes. When lucas and can were there. Playing sterling as a false 9 when you have 3 strikers on the bench.
He screwed up big time in the first half of the season, being stubborn in his ways as well spending £50m on Lambert Lovren and Lallana etc. He's done well to improve things recently - but make no mistake about it - no champions league footie next season would class this season as a failure. We've improved in the 2nd half of seasons under him, but the league is 38 games, not 19. I'd be happy with him next season as long as he has no say in player recruitment and he stops coming out with his nonsense in press conferences.
15 Feb 2015 11:37:43
Kelly good kid, how many injuries ?
Transfers. No one gets then right
Mark, Moreno Cam Sakho goods buys and getting better, Loren will get there.
{Ed001's Note - last warning, if I have to keep removing imbecilic petty insults in your comments aimed at everyone who has a different opinion from you, I will ban you. Same for you too Davey - armchair supporters? That just makes you sound a prick! Plenty of people working for the club would happily see the back of Rodgers, so you might want to wind your necks in the pair of you, as you are not some kind of gurus, you are just fans with a different opinion.}
Bobatron, surely if the board were concerned about spending and FFP, they would just reduce Brendan's budget. I do agree that he needs coaching on his media relations.
15 Feb 2015 12:14:28
The owners will decide whether Rodgers stays or goes - not the fans. The owners will have expectations - largely based on what Rodgers has promised and how much he has spent. He either achieves those expectations and delivers or they will discard him like yesterday's rubbish and rightly so. The most ironic thing is that Rodgers is in the position he is because of his own stubborness about refusing to work under a DoF. If he's accepted a DoF being over him, the faults with the squad would be getting thrown at the DoF instead because there is no doubting that he is an efficient coach.
15 Feb 2015 12:22:36
Well Ed, there are people who work for a government doesn't mean they make good assessments for the country just because they work their socks off for the government.
It seems to me that opinions in this matter is about not accepting you were wrong all along. What you were saying about Rodgers? Stubborn? Well before people calling other people names they should take a good look of themselves. We have no better players than Chelsea or City or United or Arsenal altogether yet we have better consistency right now. Isn't this because of Rodgers? Just like last year we overachieved because of Rodgers.
{Ed001's Note - what is your point in the first instance? You are just making my point for me! What is it with people trying to dispute a point because they haven't the intelligence to follow what you say?}
15 Feb 2015 12:41:01
I have no problem in moving out Rodgers, But am skeptical on the options outside.
No new comer would come and deliver us a trophy straight away.
Top 4 would be the deciding call in this matter
My opinion.
{Ed001's Note - and you think Rodgers will bring trophies? Just a question.}
15 Feb 2015 12:51:47
Ed01, TBH mate apart from Chelsea and possibly City None would win the title for the next 3-4 years.
Its plain and simple. We are talking about players like Pogba and Vidal ( Quality ) to be brought by Chelsea.
LVG when arrived had the best resume as a manager ( One better than all of the PL managers combined )
He has also spend close to 150 mill and where are they now?
My take is simple, We had the chance to win last season and BR screwed it up.
If FSG are adamant with the trophy, Then they will have to get in World class manager and some special players.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but LVG's resume is not good, nowhere near Mourinho's nor Pellegrini's. When you actually look at it closely, it is a resume of having a blueprint to follow, doing well following it, getting too big for his boots and deciding to move away from the blueprint, followed by falling out with everyone and miserable failure.}
15 Feb 2015 13:04:58
I believe Rodgers can bring trophies, the FA cup has to be a real possibility now, and honestly I see no reason that the Europa league is out of our grasp, I know it's not as weak as some will try to tell you, but I think a proper challenge for that is on the cards too.
Now, he may not win them both or even either, but providing we get top 4, I still think we should stick by him. Mainly because I'm not a fan of changing management every 3-4 years, as it isn't just the manager that changes it's a whole rebuilding process including playing philosophy amongst other things. And secondly, what real options do people think are out there?
15 Feb 2015 13:27:37
Agree with Big E on the rebuilding issue. A change of manager would see many players coming in and moving out. We simply cannot afford another 3 years of transition.
{Ed001's Note - that is why you appoint a head coach, rather than manager. They have to make do with what they are given.}
15 Feb 2015 14:09:06
To be frank Ed, it is not solely in Rodgers hand to win us trophies(CL and PL). Chelsea and City are well ahead of us, both have great managers.
For me I will be relaxed with Rodgers if he just keeps on playing the beautiful football without the mistake of the first half. If we get 4th place and we are in CL next year I expect from him to make some clever transfers so that United and Arsenal will not topple us and go near the other 2 strong teams. Also since he got his lesson from CL, I expect him achieve much much more there.
In terms of PL I would expect 3rd place next year with a possibility of a challenge. Nothing else.
For these things I said, I challenge you to name a manager(who we can get) that will achieve more than him next year.
{Ed001's Note - you expect him to make clever transfers on what basis? You mean now he is not in sole charge of transfers? That would be the transfer committee you are saying will make clever transfers then....
Why are you challenging me to name a better manager? How many times do I have to waste my time saying that we shouldn't have a manager before anyone bothers to take notice?}
15 Feb 2015 14:16:34
And my point is in reference to your comment stating that people who work for the club would happily see the back of Rodgers. So? Does this make it more reasonable to sack him?
{Ed001's Note - you still don't understand then? Repeating a stupid comment doesn't make it any more intelligent you know. Just proves that you still don't understand.}
Thank you Ed for setting the other "armchair supporters' straight who because people disagree with them, call us names and such because they have no way of proving you wrong or having a consistent debate on the issues. BR is in a world of trouble with the owners REGARDLESS of how people wanna spin it. He promised them stuff he may not be able to fulfill and if it ends up that way, he might be gone. Whether he will bring trophies or not is another story and remains to b seen. However, we have no time for his stubborness, dithering in the TW, and his other BS and if refuses to get help nor change and learn from his mistakes, then let him go because we will NEVER win the PL by sleep-walking thru half a season due to the stuborness of a manager and in the name of "transition". We need results and the PL ASAP and so do the owners. If he can`t do that then why should we keep him in a position where your job is to WIN?
15 Feb 2015 14:32:53
Ok so your problem is that he doesn't have a DoF next to him(or he doesn't accept one).
First of all name me a better coach then that we could appoint. This is the first step. Because I don't think a DoF solves the problems.
Just have a look at Tottenham. Rodgers bad manager. because what did he do as bad manager?
You sound like a broken record with him opening his mouth in the press etc etc or the defense etc etc. Then I tell you that our defense is far far better today than any of the last years in his tenure. Then I tell you Mignolet is a changed man after he was made to sit on the bench. Balotelli? Rodgers will be probably the only manager that made Balotelli chase the ball and time will show that he will be the only manager that changed Balotelli
Sterling? Sterling needs spanking.
Press? Who cares about what he says to the press?
All i see right is unity in the team. A manager who talks before he thinks loses this. He is a great coach, excellent at man management and good(not extraordinary) with transfer dealings. It is not his fault if we didn't get Costa, Willian, Sanchez. So what more could I ask for a manager? Yes he is still learning and despite people saying that he is not learning I will disagree.
{Ed001's Note - why are you asking me to name a better option? Is your only reason for keeping him that you can't think of a better manager? Does that mean you will accept mediocrity just because your knowledge of the game is so lacking that no one gives you the name of a better manager? Either you think he is the right man, or you don't.
What the hell has Tottenham to do with it?
I sound like a broken record? Have you read the comments you are banging the drum to over and over? Please don't address any more comments to me, you have no interest in a discussion, you just want to shout about how you are right, and shout over anyone who disagrees. Everything that isn't to your liking you just don't seem to care about, even though it is part of his role to deal with the media, apparently you think you know better. Well I am not wasting any more time on you, you are not having a conversation or a discussion, you are just telling me I am wrong. Pointless. You just ignore everything that doesn't suit your view point.
By the way, please don't make disgusting personal comments from your own ignorance about one of our own players. You have no idea what is going on with Sterling and his contract discussions, so give it a rest! This is why the manager should keep his mouth shut and not make comments, because fan boys like you lap it up and jump on a young lad's back with no idea what is going on!}
Rodgers will not work under a DOF unless you impose this on him.
Then he should either get the success the owners want on his own or be shown the door.
BTW Ed01, way to go! Some on here are ready to give BR a pass for all his blunders just because we have turned it around a bit and now act like BR`s blunders never happened by making pathetic excuses for his behavior, as a result. As Lenin said, the owners will decide BR`s fate and if he walks, he would have earned it based on his behavior and failure to meet THEIR expectations based on their investment. Nothing more, IMO!
16 Feb 2015 10:33:37
First of all the FFp is the issue of the owners. They sanction the buying of players. So if we get sanctions blame them.
Next, where were all the critics last season? Did Rodgers not do interviews or is it, as i see it, Ed002 makes a quip towards the start of the season and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. A use of the search function would come in handy to see if anyone commented on Rodgers "foot in mouth" syndrome last season.
My opinion? He needs top 4 to survive, if not then it curtains for him. Although i wouldn't be surprised to see him get the chop if he did get top 4. Just then put it down to another FSG cock up. The long list!
{Ed001's Note - both Ed002 and myself have said from the moment he came under consideration that his mouth was a source of concern. So to suggest it is only this season is quite simply wrong. The reason why it is not getting mentioned by others is because they now have the evidence to see it during his time at Liverpool. It is simply a mass of evidence of his idiotic comments stacking up that have caused the criticism, nothing to do with Ed002.
It is typical of those with no ability to dispute his idiotic comments to try and deflect by suggesting no one would have noticed if it wasn't for Ed002. It is quite simply ridiculous and irritating that you think people are so stupid they can't see what is self evident for themselves, just because you are blinded by your bias.}
16 Feb 2015 10:34:01
I don't get the Kelly injuries thing. He was ok to go last season, BR admitted as much, but said he wanted to ease Kelly into it. he got him to sign a new contract just the season before, then he sold him having never played him. Kelly is now playing well at palace and injury free for about 1.5 years.
I know people make mistakes in the transfer market. But BR's have cost us upwards of 70 million. With the promise of a title challenge.
We've loaned in player like Moses, Chissoko, Sahin, Manquillo and barely played them.
Pile Driver. I would go into finances with finishing places, sponsorship deals with champions league etc etc, but Ed002 might have a fit. They sanctioned the purchases based on assurances given.
Maybe he tried to sort his mouth out by getting them new gnashers?
Maybe he misunderstood what you meant by "his mouth being a source of concern".
ha ha ha
{Ed001's Note - they are lovely and pearly white.}