16 Feb 2015 10:47:21
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how anyone can say we had a bad start to last season. Maybe the performances weren't as spectacular as they were in the second half of the season, but in my 24 years I've never seen us play as well as we did in the run in last year. Obviously we we dipped at the start of this season, we lost one of the top 5 players in the world and then sturridge to injury (over 50 premier league goals). We're getting there now, and I can't understand wanting Rodgers out at this point and going back to square one.
And all the hatred aimed at Sterling is ridiculous. He is probably the best young player in Europe, (which everyone on here agreed with last season) so why shouldn't he be paid as such? He's had to become a senior player for us at the age of 20, and done brilliantly.
I don't understand the culture of slating any player of ours. Surely you all want him to sign and fulfil his potential here, even if he only gives us another 2 seasons followed by £60million in the bank.
16 Feb 2015 11:29:34
Ok need to get this off.
Everybody goes on about the difficulty of losing Suarez and Sturridge. Other teams also lose players you no I could give two examples from recent pl seasons (Southampton and Manchester United after losing Ronaldo)
Now if you all jog your brains you'll remember that for 4 weeks from the end of December to mid January (Before Sturridge's return) we were playing great out playing arsenal and thrashing Swansea.
So why didn't he revert to the passing style midway through the season. We started playing a pressing system WITHOUT SUAREZ AND STURRIDGE and were still winning. So why could you explain to me did he start with that horrible pass pass system? Why did hewait until hhalf the season was over we were well out of the contention for the title and embarrassingly thrown out of the UCL?
Bottom line is he is a stubborn guy who will always return to his preferred system.
At this stage last season we were on 50 points. In the current season that would put us 3rd; 9 points off Chelsea, 2 off of City and only 3 ahead of United. That was despite having no European competition and going out of both cups early.
Last season looked good because everyone else was awful too. Had we not gone on a blistering run taking 34 points from the final 39 available we'd have finished 4th at best.
Even if we win our next 13 games this season we will only make 81 points. Arsenal came 4th last season with 79. Basically, to be sure of 4th we need to win every game. Only other option is to hope the others slip up and we are completely unaffected by the FA cup and Europa league.
I am sorry mate but we should not be in the position we are now with the money spend and what he claims he is.
We were dumped out from the Cl like a laughing stock.
This is not to offend our manager but don't try to make him messiah.
16 Feb 2015 11:42:26
Small reason
**So why did he revert to the pressing system halfway through the season and not before
Anybody can give a decent answer to this?
{Ed001's Note - simple, his job was on the line.}
16 Feb 2015 11:44:36
Small correction
**So why did he revert to the pressing system halfway through the season and not before
Anybody can give a decent answer to this?
16 Feb 2015 11:51:39
So ed why did he have to start with that God awful style at the start?
{Ed001's Note - because his job was safe and he believes that is the long term future system that will have the most success.}
16 Feb 2015 11:59:29
I'm still astounded as to how someone thinks he should manage us next season. There is every chance he will revert to that system next season again
16 Feb 2015 12:14:11
I'm not convinced there is anyone better available at the moment. I like Ed001s idea of Brendan under a top DOF; Brendan is a good coach and we play some sweet footie when we get it right but he needs more guidance a la Kenny under Sir Bob
Reet, that is exactly the reason why i want Brendan gone at the end of the season. I am fed up of this b******t about LFC' season starting in January. Its a shameless excuse that managers come up with to get themselves more time. If your a good and capable manager and have a proven formula for success, u will not have to come up with such lame excuses in the first place. Just use a system that suits the players than imposing something alien on them. Brendan has made that same mistake twice in a row and i do not see him changing his stubborn and clueless ways anytime soon. I want a manager who will dish out credit to others as well as absorb most of the blame when the team is under pressure like Mourinho does. Brendan is the complete opposite of that.
We were top at Christmas last season.
Must have been a terrible first 3 months.
{Ed001's Note - how does that match up to the style of play? It is this kind of pointless comparison that is keeping the United fans behind the arrogance of LVG, because they are putting up with the dross served up due to a false league position. We only started to perform well partway through the season when Rodgers changed the style, up until then we were picking up results but on the back of individual brilliance, not good team performances. Why is that so hard to grasp??}
I've said before that Rodgers still has a lot of learning to do, but if Rodgers learnt by his mistakes from the past 2 seasons and started next season with the same style we are playing at the minute, would it not be worth keeping him next season.
I don't think he is god, but at the end of the day if we change manager again in my eyes are we not back to square one.
A new manager will want to bring in another group of players and we start a new transition again.
I know there's been broken promises and he doesn't use the academy kids enough but that's for the owners to limit his spending in the summer and limit him to 1 quality signing.
The performances have improved a lot since the start of the season so it shows he's got it in him.
{Ed001's Note - so what if we bring in a new head coach whose job is to coach the players given to him? How would that be back to square one?}
Reet, maybe he now sees that as a mistake.
The important thing is he "has" reverted back to a system which works.
No manager is perfect and when I weigh up the positives and negatives with the current manager I see a lot more positives than negatives.
That is why I am behind him. at the moment.
Ed001. We played nowhere near the dross of LVG's United team last season.
I admit though that United's position in the league is a classic example of league position masking the actual football being played.
I don't remember being that bad though fella:)
Also would it not be fair to suggest that when your star player(Suarez) is out injured or suspended that you might have to try and alter the way you play in some way to maximise what you have available?
That may have had an impact on style of play early on in the season last year, especially when you consider who was on the bench for most of last year (Aspas, Alberto etc)
A lot more options this season than last.
{Ed001's Note - we weren't that bad, I agree, but we were still poor and playing the pass, pass, pass system. It was remarked how much things changed after Rodgers attended a Bielsa seminar because it was such a sea change to attacking, exciting football. So why have people forgotten it now? It was nothing to do with who was available, the SAS played a large part in picking up the points when we were playing boring footie.}
My stubborness makes it hard to grasp ed001.
"I'm just not havin it" ha ha ha.
{Ed001's Note - go back and watch the games then. I have.}
Ed
Who is a realistic option as head coach, and also how many new coaches would go to a new team and not expect to have money to spend?
I know people are saying de boer but what experience does he have?
{Ed001's Note - what experience does Rodgers have? At least de Boer has titles and so is a proven winner.}
People should really stop making excuses and suppositions for BR because it is really getting old and tiring. We know he likes the pass pass style and we also know it has gotten us nowhere for two thirds of the time he`s been here. Fact! The fact that some of us are "not having it" doesn`t make it less a fact because we have empirical evidence to prove that while some only have their suppositions to counter these facts. Also, we know he is stubborn and arrogant and felt his job was safe which is why he was being arrogant in the press UNTIL FSG was going to give him the chop then went back to the high press system (which he doesn`t really favor BUT has to play because he would have goten the sack in Nov/Dec). We cannot afford such ditherings and we need a coach who knows what he is doing ALL the time and not HALF the time. Yes we are getting results and the play is better BUT we always had good results w/ the players we have and the stem they thrive on that BR himself introduced so why did he change to a tried and failed system? Only BR can answer that. Until then, can we just stop making excuses for his unforced blunders and errors because it makes some of us desperate to give him credit for the "upturn" while in reality, we should NEVER have been in this situation were it not for his arrogance and stubborness.
The missus is back on Wednesday morning fella.
If you think I am spending it watching Enrique give the ball away for the 3 hundreth time at Villa last year then your mistaken!!!!!
I'll spend it on ere instead.
Talking ship!!
Come on ed I know you want Rodgers out, but De boar managing in a poor league hardly gives him top experience.
I wouldn't say there's much between them experience wise.
Rodgers took us to within inches of the league last year only to balls it up this year through his own fault, but then persisted with the same mistakes for 6 months and ruined our season until the amount of hate and pressure directed at him made him crumble, panic and throw it all out the window in a blaze of glory. Hence we now have a completely bizarre looking 3421 formation that almost certainly isn't a long term fix and rodgers is praised as genius for only driving us into the ground for 5 months, not 7.
There is, unfortunately. De Boer was a fine defender in his time with Gerrardesque passing ability. He has won titles at Ajax while BR doesn`t have a sausage YET to his name. He has coached in the CL four seasons in a row while BR has only 6 games so far. Do these facts mean he will win us the PL? NO! Does it mean he is more experienced than BR? Heck YES!