21 Feb 2015 04:39:53
Just saw that Bielsa's contract ends this summer.
What with the review overhauling pretty much everything in the club, it'd be no surprise to see Rodgers go even if we managed to get 3rd or 4th and won the Europa League and the FA Cup.
And then, maybe, just maybe, ed001 will get his wish of Bielsa managing Liverpool.
{Ed001's Note - that won't happen sadly. Bielsa doesn't speak English.}
21 Feb 2015 08:03:16
Believe me zpecianoe if we either finish top 4 or win the EL or the FA cup, even ED001 will think it is more than crazy to get rid of BR and thw owners will never dream of sacking him (and rightly so).
And if we get two of the three (probably will not happen) or all three (surely will not happen) than BR will be with us for another decade if he wishes to.
In my view BR's job is pretty safe for next season even if we don't get any of these targets, as long as we keep on playing like we do at the moment. I think you and others here give way too much importance to this 'review' process. Senior figures in organisations very rarely pay any price becuase of reviews of this kind.And football managers don't stay or go because of reviews but because of results and progress.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but please don't speak for me. It would not be crazy to sack him, he would only have himself to blame if he was sacked. It would not be rightly so, because top 4 would be failure. Top 3 is where we should be, 4th is simply not good enough after the money we spent and it would all be at Brendan's door because it is his errors that have cost us the chance to challenge at the top.}
21 Feb 2015 08:31:06
Correct me if I am wrong ed001 but I am pretty sure I saw you saying here last week that it will be crazy to sack BR if he wins trophies.
{Ed001's Note - never said it would be crazy to sack him ever.}
21 Feb 2015 08:49:36
Ed
Top 3 Where we should be, are you sure. I know you have issues with BR which is rightly your opinion but the squad has finally settled from a slow start, basically a new team, yeah he should have sorted it earlier but there is nio right to win or come 1234, on your reckoning mourinho should have been sacked. the money he spent last year he won nothing, not sure about the year before.
The cost of sacking the turmoil etc . Are we city, you keep going on about are financial predicament well sacking certainly won't help.
It's like west ham, I'm no alladyce fan but especially that club be careful what you wish for. , I love watching Liverpool and love watching BR Liverpool, I have issues yes but no one perfect
{Ed001's Note - oh for heaven's sake, my issues are that the slow start was Rodgers' fault, that is why we are not challenging Man City, which is where we should be. New team crap is just idiotic nonsense from people with no understanding of the game, it was nothing to do with new players, it was down to a change in system. He brought in mostly players who played a high pressing system, to add to a team of players who played that at the end of the season, then changed the system so no one knew their role. One man failed us. Rodgers.
As for the Mourinho thing, again ridiculous, Jose's position is nothing to do with this, but at least his team challenged immediately and then he took them a step further the following season. You can't see the difference between a manager improving the situation and one who takes the club immediately backwards after every good thing he does.
It costs a lot more to keep giving Rodgers money to spend each season than it would getting rid and getting a head coach in who deals with the players he is given.
As for West Ham, you have no idea what is happening there, so please don't show your ignorance any further, it only proves how little you know by including Allardyce in this. Though he is another that is failing miserably by his own stubborn failure to stop reverting to a system that failed.}
21 Feb 2015 08:59:22
Jeez, let the money go! If we had been the only club to spend big and others got free agents and loans then fine! But we spent not much compared to the other top clubs but also were the only ones to lose are best player and then our other world class player in sturridge for 5 months!
{Ed001's Note - we are one of the biggest spenders in world football, how did we spend not much? That is just a downright lie.}
21 Feb 2015 09:22:42
@ed001:
Why won't Bielsa coach Liverpool just because he can't speak English? Or is it because FSG want an English-speaking manager/head coach? Because if that is the case, I think it's pretty ridiculous, they can always hire an English tutor for them!
{Ed002's Note - Neither - Liverpool has shown no interest in Biesla.}
21 Feb 2015 10:58:16
Sorry I meant we are only spending what everyone else is spending, it's not like were spending and noone else is!
100 mil should get you a league if no one else is spending, but everyone does that is why the league is so competetive!
{Ed001's Note - but we were second and spent more than the team above us and the teams below us, except for Man Utd, so we should expect to still be in a similar position this season.}
21 Feb 2015 11:47:38
Just to comment on the eds mourinho post, that wasn't just his team last year, that team has been getting built for 3/4 years, his only addition to the first team was Willian and now he cherry picked 4 world class players to take them the next level, matic, costa, fabregas and courtis (who was bought by avb)! He's not working with scraps, he is also showing his reluctance to work with young players ie cuarado over Marko (very similar except one was ready made and the other needed some work and patience) - costa over lukaku!
Mourinho success at Chelsea is a given with the players he has!
{Ed001's Note - but that is down to good management, he is working with the club to identify the right players. We are spending lots to buy players we don't need, instead of just bringing in a couple that we do. So I fail to see your point. Jose is not asking for 20 players a season, unlike Brendan. So yes it is a given, because he knows what he is doing and builds on what he has, rather than throws it out and starts again each season with a whole new team.}
21 Feb 2015 11:57:08
You joking HA, we also lost Suarez and sturridge! Did the team above us lose toure or Silva? How about matic and hazard?
We also invested in the future more than now so Marko, can, origi, Moreno wernt really excepted to contribute until about now!
Again we would be sound if no one else spent anything!
Costa 30m, hazard 35mil, William 30 mil, Oscar 25 mil, fab 30 mil, cuarado 25 mil, ramires 20mil,
Sterling free, studge 12mil, hendo 16 mil, Allen 15 mil, Gerrard free, coutinho 8, can 8, Marko 20, lallana 25, ballo 16, ibe free, lambert 4!!
And aswel the wage diffeence will be huge!
So were spending to keep up!
{Ed001's Note - Chelsea sold players like De Bruyne and now Schurrle to bring in the players they did, hardly their fault we can't build on what we have is it? How did we lose Sturridge? He was injured, hardly lost. Toure has been at the AFCON, Silva, Aguero, Nasri and Kompany have all had injury problems, or does that only count when it is Sturridge? Sorry but you are just posting nonsense.
We have invested badly, Chelsea invested well, which is mainly down to the managers's decisions. Jose finished 3rd and just brought in a couple of players to fix the holes in his team. Brendan finishes 2nd and buys a whole new team. His fault.
By the way, Gerrard is the highest paid player in that list by a margin, the wage difference is not that large. You are not making any sense.}
21 Feb 2015 12:28:32
I could swear in one of those endless questions to you about whehter he will stay at the end of the year you said if he wins trophies it will be stupid to sack him, Surely I am not imagining that - am I the only one who remember this?
{Ed002's Note - The point is that Rodgers promised a challenge for the Champions League and for the Premier League (which he actually said he would win for the owners this season). He has failed miserably - there are no two ways about it.
As for the previous poster "never forget96", perhaps he should ponder that Chelsea has made a profit on transfers for each of the last three windows - they are balancing the books. He should look for examples to one of the other sides who fall in to the same category as Liverpool for FFP - under investigation.}
21 Feb 2015 13:14:04
The point is though at some point chelsea bought all these players without having the books balanced what they did was buy the best and buy virtually everyone with a talent and now 10 years later they're making profits in transfer windows by selling them. Chelsea's team first started being built when RA joined and for the first 5, 6, 7 years spent and spent and lost and lost but then he had a great team so didn't need to spend as much to maintain it. Then they started buying the top talents, luiz, lukaku, shurlee, hazards, Oscar etc etc etc etc last season we had the top team like Chelsea has but then we sold our hazard so that we could buy our future stars and yes we over spent but what's to say that in 5 years can, origi, sterling, ibe, coutinho aren't all worth £30m+? And then we will be making money in transfer markets if we sell them. Chelsea started to speculate to accumulate years ago 3 maybe 5 we've just had 2/3 so now we need the fruits to grow (which they are currently) and then we can sell them and make the money there always has to be the enitial outlay you just hope it's well spent and some of ours hasn't been as well as Chelsea spent theirs but they could offer wages and transfer fees we could only offer transfer fees meaning some of the top talents wouldn't pick us anyway
{Ed002's Note - It is not about Chelsea but the point is that the players the poster quoted have been bought and the books have been balanced.
The problem Liverpool has is that a series of managers have pissed the money up the wall repeatedly. They have had money to spend and they have spent it badly. The money on Ilori, Aspas and Alberto could have gotten the club a high-end striker. The money on Lovren, Coates and Manquillo could have provided for a high-end defender.
Then you can consider whether money was well spent on the likes of Joe Allen, Fabio Borini, Simon Mignolet, Balotelli, Oussama Assaidi, Samed Yesil and the loans of Victor Moses, Nuri Sahin and Aly Cissokho?
Chelsea have spent better and have balanced the books - Liverpool have really fouled it up, ended up in massive debt which will be increasing considerably over the next couple of years, currently have prize money withheld and are one of the clubs under investigation with the possibility of joining the growing list of clubs being sanctioned for financial mismanagement.
This obsession about Chelsea 10 years ago is really embarrassing - but that is the world's most fickle fans for you.}
21 Feb 2015 14:59:28
I agree with everything you've said their that seems to me exactly what I put. My hope is that our latest set of buys turn out to be good buys like Chelsea's and we can sell them or they bring us the success which brings us the money to lower the debt in the future
{Ed001's Note - glad you get the point being made! Sometimes it feels like making a point on here is like banging your head against a brick wall.}
21 Feb 2015 19:21:49
I agree with you, currently Chelsea are the absolute best run club on the planet! They sell well to buy well and they never seem to buy flops!
BUT. Torres 50 mil? Shevvers 40 mil? Kezman, veron, remember duff for 20 mil, Mikel 24 mil? And there's others but I can't think of them all so there's some of there flops over the years without balancing the books!
Annd up until now only costa, fabregas and luiz were bought by balancing the books and most recently curado! But drogba, robben, lampard, Torres, luiz, hazard, Oscar, William, shurlle, magic, Mikel, essien, makelele, cech, schevechenko, duff, ramieres were not bought balancing the books!!!
The reason mourinho was able to just add the right players is because all his buying was done before he got there so that team was ready to have the odd few added!
We will be this summer, st, cm and gk is all we need and ship some of the shit off! Last summer was needed no matter what people say but It was with the view of can, origi, Marko and Moreno leaving for big bucks! Imagine we hadn't got can, pretty sure the Bayern move would of happened this summer if he progress like he has with all our 'bad coaching'
I understand you get on our case thinking we are obsessed with Chelsea but we are allowed to defend our club when you claim there better run than us etc and seem to forget what they went through to get to that stage!
I firmly believe we will be there in 1/2 more years, no more 35 mil on ten pieces of crap but on one superstar! But we needed all of this to get to there!
Next year aspas, alberto, borini, Gerrard, jonno, toure and poss Enrique, Lucas, ballo, lambert, migs will be shipped off and I imagine depending if we can afford it st, cm and gk. A side point to that is I wouldn't mind Milner for cm lol
And last thing eds now we can be friends again, were we are with ffp do you not think Chelsea would be there aswel if the rulling was brought in earlier??
Oh and you can't seriously compare Chelsea losing lukaku, de brune and shurrly to us losing sturridge and Suarez! And toure was only missing for January! And don't start me on how much they have spent consistently for 5 years! And there debt free because of the lucrative sponsoship off fly emirates or something like psg get 150mil per year from the Dubai tourism budget lol
Take care eds I've rambled abit so sorry!
21 Feb 2015 19:25:21
Ohhhh and balancing the books which you love talking about! Why do you never ever ever ever when talking about how much we spent last summer include the 65 MILLION we brought in and take that away from the 109? So we spent 44 mil! Forget the addons and that because you don't talk about them when mentioning any other team so just the figures we spent 44 mil and lost a world class player that our team was built around!
{Ed002's Note - Where have I mentioned £109M? Everything you have said is from an embarrassing level of pig ignorance. You clearly have no idea about FFP, the amount of money the owners are allowed to contribute and the issues that Liverpool has. You seem to understand nothing about how clubs need to be financially responsible, how the transfer processes work nor how much debt Liverpool has accumulated.
The team was not built around Suarez - the runt wanted nothing more than to leave Liverpool and had been trying to do so for more than a season. Putting aside how he dragged the name of the club through the gutter, he also looked to take the club to court for stopping his move to Arsenal.}
21 Feb 2015 20:37:01
No you say "with the money spent" but don't include what we brought in money wise and what we lost player wise.
Another question is if he had asked would they have spent 90 mil this summer on costa, fabregas and Luiz? With no player/players bought with future sell on fee?
And the team was built around him, who you kidding? I didn't say he had a heart of gold or was loyal to the bone did I? He was a backstabbing little runt who I'm glad to see struggle away from afield because maybe he will value what he had here a little but the team was operating on the bases that as long as he doesn't bite someone he is.upfront and we play away to get the best out.of Him! 2 terrific seasons under rodgers :)
Eds I do have to ask but you literally just ignored the majority of what I.said.in my previous posts? Why can't we get a discussion going, I did raise sone good points that I would.of liked your opinion on instead of just choosing the one.to make you seem so much.clever than the rest of us 'pff haha money you fans don't.have a clue' who cares. We spend money lol
Have you seen how much them yanks spend at Boston red soxs? They committed like 110mil to one player last summer, they are in.breach of there salary cap there aswell so I beg the question does rodgers ruin both or do they themselves make bad decisions?
{Ed002's Note - Your points were nonsense - you simply do not understand at all. You sure as hell don't understand how baseball works either. You have to stop going on and on about Chelase - they are meeting the FFP regulations and have done since they come in. They are spending less on transfers in than on transfers out. Liverpool are spending money they don't have on the transfer of players they don't need. They are well beyond any minor breach of FFP and continued again this last summer to abuse the rules. They are already under investigation from the previous year's infringements - they will be in further trouble again next season unless they can make very major sales before the end of June. Prize money has already been withheld. The sanctions can potentially be very serious indeed. Add to that crippling debts which will increase with the building work. Once the naming rights have been sold and the TV and other sponsorship come in 2017 the owners will be looking to move on.}
21 Feb 2015 23:27:22
I think its a good thing that the owners move on Edd. i'm sure they would love to have there time again, but you can't blame them for wanting to cut ties with the club. They have blown some serious money and if you look at the table, the club are no better off. If it was me and my money, i would be that mentally scared, i would prob trade the club for a six pack of beer and a pack of smokes. Then use the rest of my hefty wealth to lay up on my own island some where in the tropics.
but hey, that's me.
22 Feb 2015 12:32:19
The owners ain't going anywhere lol! By 2017 they will actually start to be making some money, the new TV deal in, hopefully regular champions league, the likes of sterling, can, moreno, marko, origi could possibly have big.fees on there heads, the stadium will be built, and the likes of all are stupidly big wages will be cut. So sorry Eds 110% they will be here.
{Ed001's Note - you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Your ignorance is astounding and this is getting embarrassing now. Just give up, you are clueless.}