23 Feb 2015 10:45:25
Hi all,
Just an idea for poll of the day at some point.
"Should football introduce "citing" such as in rugby, to enable the authorities to deal with dangerous play even though the ref did see the incident"
Following Ashley Barnes' tackle on Matic at the weekend. His reaction was ridiculous, but Barnes' tackle was horrendous and should be severely punished.
Cheers all
23 Feb 2015 11:22:29
I believe complaints regarding specific incidents should be seen and dealt with (or dismissed as appropriate) regardless of what the ref did or didn't do. For someone to get away with a real old fashioned leg breaking attempt because the ref saw something and gave a free kick is completely against the spirit of sport
23 Feb 2015 12:09:30
I completely agree that its a horrible tackle, but the reaction from Matic cannot be accepted and he should be punished hard. i'm pretty sure Matic won't get what he deserves. "If u tackle me, ill kick you're ass" is a message you cannot be allowed to send.
23 Feb 2015 12:38:19
Ok
Am I the only one who sees this differently? The lad had passed the ball when Matic came in from the side. Yes, it looked horrendous, but was it not just a matter of a follow through of the leg in a kicking motion meeting Matic's tackle (so to speak) .
Yes it could have broke his leg, but accidental to my mind. let the abuse begin, but to me it was unfortunate not deliberate.
23 Feb 2015 13:19:57
I agree, Marshy. But on one hand, some will say that the follow through is enough to warrant a red card because it looked rash like Fonte`s tackle on Sterling that this argument can be made for. On the other, your agument is also a good one to make as well because the boy got the ball first. Now what we cannot have is players applying justice themselves on the field which we cannot have and the fact that people are saying Matic was right for assaulting the lad is disgraceful in itself. You cannnot take the laws into your own hands because you feel you have been agrieved which is why we have law enforcement because if you do, you will be arrested prosecuted and Maic was sent of for exactly that.
23 Feb 2015 13:28:28
I completely agree with you, Marshy. I have only seen the games highlights so maybe i've missed something but for what I can tell, Barnes was not trying to make a tackle. Two players went for a ball and Matic lost. Yeah it looked bad but in my opinion it was not a foul. It could have caused a bad injury but you cannot call a foul based on what might have happened and nothing else. Matic reacted poorly and should get 3 games minimum. He acted with intent and violent conduct and should be punished accordingly.
{Ed001's Note - do you not think he deliberately went over on the lad's shin? It looked to me like a deliberate follow through, a separate movement. As for Matic losing the plot, he only gave him a push, that doesn't warrant a red for me, just a yellow would be plenty to take the sting out of the situation and calm it all down.}
23 Feb 2015 14:19:05
Hi Ed001
It's subjective and judging by the responses in he media, it was a bad tackle, but to me he doesn't deviate in any way. It just seems a natural follow through but Matic brings his leg into the equation, not the other way around. I guess only he will know if he extended the time his leg was in the 'danger zone' to effect such a collision, but I'm sure he won't be admitting to anything.
As for the handbags, maybe you're right, but you can't raise your hand and retaliate (supposedly).I can't see how that decision could be overturned. He retaliated, end of.
{Ed001's Note - I don't think his card should be overturned, but I don't see how Barnes got away with what was shockingly bad for me.}
23 Feb 2015 14:23:46
He stood up, ran after the player and gave him a push in the back.That is a red card every day of the week. It was more deserving of a red card than Nutter Barton who was merely checking Huddleston's manhood. In that incident you can see from the start that Barton was trying to get other players away from the referee when none of them had any business harassing him. This behaviour is something that should have been stamped out long ago.
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{Ed001's Note - I don't understand how on earth anyone can suggest a punch in the knackers is not as bad as a little shove in the back.}
23 Feb 2015 14:36:51
I can see what you are saying ed001, I cannot tell if Barnes intentionally went through with the purpose of hitting Matic. Of course only he knows what his true intentions were and I can see on the replays where he does seem to glance at Matic as he is playing the ball, but the ref was not in a position to make that judgment and we won't know his intentions unless Barnes admitted it. I've been caught in similar was playing before and I can see that in some situations that when you are stretching for a ball that accidents happen. Again, only Barnes knows and he could have meant to hurt Matic but there is no way of knowing if he delibertely tried to hurt him. And I can also see why you would see a yellow was appropriate, I just feel like just because the shove would most likely not injure a player, that it should not be a red. If he had punched Barnes in the back it would have most likely not done any lasting damage besides maybe a bruise and that would have been a red. It was the intent behind putting his hands on another player that I think deserved the red.
23 Feb 2015 14:38:24
Totally agree with a yellow for Matic Eds. The tackle was clearly too strong and I personally think it had intent. Matic as far as I'm concerned, is well with in his rights react that way. I know I'd have done more than Matic did, but that's why I'm not a professional footballer!
23 Feb 2015 14:45:17
A punch is administered by a closed fist - that was no fist. It was stupid but it was no fist!
{Ed001's Note - it looked like a fist on the footage I saw, either way it is ludicrous to compare that with a shove. Sorry but Barton was without doubt a red, no one has debated that, whereas people are questioning whether Matic should have been a red for a reason. To try and draw a comparison makes no sense. Clearly what Barton did was far worse.}
23 Feb 2015 19:28:15
What Matic did was wrong.
But completely understandable.
This is where technology would help achieve the correct outcome.
The melee lasted about 2 minutes.
In that 2 minutes the ref could have walked over to the 4th official and seen the incident that he missed on the replay.
He would have given both men a red card and Chelsea would probably have won the game.
I would have reduced Matic's ban from 3 games to 1 game on the grounds that it was a horrific tackle.
We have all been on the end of a tackle like that and we all understand the reaction but the rules are clear. you can't just violently shove someone to the ground like he did.
23 Feb 2015 19:29:44
Barton on the other hand. wow.
Clint Hill's face said it all.
The man is a liability.
23 Feb 2015 21:49:38
They were both stupid for retaliating because when you do that, you give the ref an opp to send you off.