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23 Feb 2015 15:11:25
I will be happy if we finish in top four. It means more time to improve finances. It also means being able to add one or two quality players every year and build a strong team.As for BR i am strongly with him.There are very few proven managers around but will they come to Liverpool is a serious doubt
Then there is the new crop of managers like simeone, klopp, villas boas and de Boer. Simeone will never come, klopp is already suffering villas boas has failed and gone and de Boer yet to prove himself anywhere else. Then I see the teams around. Tottenham trying for the fourth place for last so many years, everton last year so near this year nowhere, man utd 7th last year with a champion team and no guarantee even this year. So yes I will be happy with a top four finish.

{Ed001's Note - the new crop of 'managers' are not managers. They are head coaches. We are one of very few clubs still employing a manager at the top end of football.}

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23 Feb 2015 15:51:22
Ed for those who don't understand (myself included) what is the separation. I've read Werner describe the transfer committee as have some of the responsibilities of a DoF.

Who is the one who sets the team up tactically? Who has final say over what? Does the DoF have any commercial responsibilities. How would you best describe the responsibilities of each? Who bears the brunt if transfer don't work out or the team is under performing? That sort of thing. I've seen you say Mourinho works with the DoF but in a situation where Mourinho has identified a player he thinks would fit into a system and the DoF identified someone he thinks is better who has final say?

It can be a bit confusing as we don't know where the lines are - similar to the Tottenham- Villas Boas situation where fans didn't know who to blame and both but Baldini kept his post.

{Ed001's Note - depends on the DoF. There are no commercial activities, purely footballing ones. Usually a DoF picks a head coach he believes coaches in the style he wishes the team to play, but the head coach has responsibility to pick the tactics and set the team up. The DoF will be an overview, linking the first team with the youth academy and scouting set up.

The DoF usually has final say on transfers, for the simple reason that he is supposed to be responsible for the long term wellbeing of the club, while a coach's first thought is winning the next match. The head coach will suggest players he thinks fits his system, but the DoF will usually be able to veto them, especially if he believes there is a particular talent in the academy the coach should be utilising instead of buying.}

23 Feb 2015 16:00:51
Ed001,

Do the new crop still have the say on the style or philosophy of how the team play? I thought this was a DoF responsibility.

{Ed001's Note - it depends on the DoF mate. When Cruyff was DoF at Barca, he set the style of play that the coaches were expected to play. Usually though the DoF does not do that, they usually let the head coach set the style. I doubt many head coaches would accept that kind of restriction without a Cruyff to listen to!}

23 Feb 2015 16:13:42
Ed001, do you expect Rodgers to be here next season with him promising to win the League which definitely ain't happening? FSG have shown to be ruthless i.e. Kenny Dalglish and Comolli.

I am pretty sure FSG by now have quite a few options should they feel the need to show Rodgers the door?

{Ed001's Note - I am sure if they have a better option available to them he will be gone. They seem to be edging the club towards a DoF gradually, so I expect that to be set in stone with one appointed. A lot will depend on how Rodgers reacts to that, as the only real option out there seems to be De Boer, which would be another unproven man. Though at least he has a track record of success, which does give him a certain appeal. There is a lot of dissatisfaction with the manager being so far behind that this good run is not putting us in the mix for the title. Top 4 is great, but not when you were 2nd the previous season.}

23 Feb 2015 16:19:30
What's Cruyff up to these days? Does he fancy a challenge this summer? Would our club even consider such a top established 'name' or would they prefer someone upcoming/less limelight?

{Ed001's Note - we tried to get Cruyff but he rejected us. He didn't want to start another big job at his age.}

23 Feb 2015 17:06:30
Thanks for the reply Ed001. I cannot seee Rodgers wanting to stay on if a DOF is appointed. If Rodgers did not want the LFC job first time round with a DOF then I cannot seee him accepting it when FSG put their foot down and tell him it is either or.

I quite like the idea of De Boer. He is working under a DOF now and has no problem with it plus he might bring some of the talent on show at Ajax with him. Managing a club as massive as LFC should not be down to one mans decision and FSG clearly do not want it that way so I am assuming it will be FSG's way at the end of the season or highway for Rodgers if he cannot accept working with somebody above him calling the shots.

{Ed001's Note - a lot of the tasks a DoF would take on have already been taken out of his hands, so why not just do it properly? It would make sense, and I would hope he would see that. It would give him more time to concentrate on coaching and assessing the opposition. Surely that would be good for him?}

23 Feb 2015 17:17:12
After selling suarez last summer we bought in a number of young promising players instead of ready made experienced stars. Anyone expecting us to win the league at the start of the season was very naive.the owners surely realised this. We need stability with the management situation . getting rid of Rodgers and bring in De boer? Do me a favour!

{Ed001's Note - Rodgers wanted those players, he didn't want the ready made experienced stars, and he was the one saying they would be what he needed to bring the title. So are you calling him naive?}

23 Feb 2015 17:28:39
Ed001, I am I right in saying we had a chance of signing Lacazette last summer with all the money made available to Rodgers? That is the type of player that we needed and would have given us more or less what Suarez did.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know that we ever had a chance of getting him. Bony was the one we could have had, so it will be interesting to see what he does at City.}

23 Feb 2015 17:38:16
He knew as we all did that 1 we don't have the clout to shop for the big boys and 2 that there's no guarantee the big players will want to join us after one good season. Eg Sanchez. We had to invest in the younger ones and build again.

23 Feb 2015 17:40:17
Superreds, Rodgers spent the most money in the league last summer, only second to UTD. Last season we finished 2nd so it would be naive to believe FSG would accept 4th place after spending almost £120m with the aim of finishing 4th.

Does that make sense?

23 Feb 2015 17:43:21
I would much rather have taken Bony than Balotelli. What a muck up.

23 Feb 2015 18:09:11
I can see your point max lad but any team that sells it's best player is going to suffer big time especially an up and coming young and small squad. I think we invested in the right way by and large. Lovren and Mario being the exceptions. but buying so many players the same window they're not all going to be a success . Top 4 spot was always going to be the best we could hope for

23 Feb 2015 18:43:19
I think the owners need to take a step back and just hold fire on the getting rid of Rodgers malarky.
Where were we when he took over?
What squad did we have then and what squad do we have now?
I have heard all of the reasons for wanting to get rid of him and I acknowledge them but I don't agree.
FSG need to look at the longer term for me.
We have a manager already who could win us that elusive title in my opinion.
I take great pleasure in wetting my pants at the prospect of the squad next year and I see no better man than Rodgers to continue with that squad.
Yes by all means restrict the transfer spending, Maybe even try and convince him that we need a Df but let's be fair. Rodgers has now built a squad which really only needs 1 or 2 rather than 6 or 7.
Young hungry players is what we have and we also have a young hungry manager.
I want him to see out his contract because this is the first time in 20 years where I look at our squad and think it is comparable with the best squads in the league.
And as Rafa would say. That's a fact.

23 Feb 2015 20:08:20
FSG will no longer bow to his demands and as a result, if he doesn`t accept the help and the changes FSG wanna make, he should be shown the door. All the other stuff, doesn`t matter because in the end, it was his show and he bought the players that he said would challenge for the PL and has clearly failed. I don`t want him to go per se BUT We need to see improvement and his mistakes being rectified otherwise, he gets the boot and we move on.

23 Feb 2015 22:20:19
Just thought I'd mention, we could still finish third yet, win the FA CUP and do very well in the Europa League. What a turn around that would be.
People need to remember we bought a lot of young players from abroad who needed time to settle. Even British players need time to adapt to Liverpool

23 Feb 2015 22:26:11
how stubborn is Rodgers? Just thinking if he was told DoF or FO then regardless what he said previous I think he would accept it. He seems to find his mouth with every step he takes, so to back track wouldn't be an issue for him.







 

 

 
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