25 Feb 2015 12:15:46
What i'm seeing from reading the posts on here is that there are roughly 2 arguments on here on the manager issue.
The first is that some people are just happy now that the team is playing well due to the changes that have been made and would be okay with BR continuing in the job.
The second one is that BR shouldn't have had to make any changes because the team almost won the title last season after these changes had been implemented and it seemed that he already had the correct style to continue on with and challenge from the beginning this season. The assumption seems to be, if he did it twice before, he will do it again. He'll never learn.
I think it was Einstein(or some other intelligent person)who said that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result was the definition of insanity. Most people will be familiar with that expression. So after all that. why do some supporters think BR is nuts? Why is it that he cannot make mistakes and learn from them?
25 Feb 2015 12:21:48
He can learn from them. But history shows thus far that he has not learnt from them, because he keeps repeating identical mistakes over and over. Your own attempt to call people looking for a leadership change works against you mate, because you're calling people who want to keep him insane for expecting that giving him another season, another transfer window, another campaign without someone making sure he's not going back to his old strategy etc and expecting something different to happen when every season has been the same so far!
25 Feb 2015 12:33:47
I think it is down to a few things. I don't think he's foolish. He knows when something isn't working. His arrogance prevents him from admitting he was wrong though until his job is under threat and he has no choice.
He is actually a good tactician and a good, albeit limited, head coach. He needs to accept help in the coaching from somebody with more defensive nous. Most people want a director of football because there would then be somebody with the power to over rule Rodgers when he makes silly changes to the style of play.
He's not nuts. He is just so hell bent on proving that his philosophy is the future that he sometimes suffers from tunnel vision. This over confidence in himself shows badly in his interviews as well.
If he accepts the help he so obviously requires, I think he could do great. Getting him to accpet that help will be the problem. The owners are not going to give him another year doing exactly what he has been doing though because they have nothing to show for their massive investment. The season starts in August, not January.
25 Feb 2015 12:35:22
He's done it 3 seasons in a row. Who wants to try for 4?
25 Feb 2015 12:47:47
To begin with that is not the definition of insanity although for a long time I thought so as well. As far as BR is concerned he has made the same mistakes 3 times so far so it would be safer to assume that he will repeat them rather than learn from them. Would you trust him for a 4th time if he does or doesn't get us top 4?
25 Feb 2015 13:39:17
Steph, Swishcleaner
I might be accused of ignoring the evidence, but i tend to discount the first season because of the changes that occur with personnel and the upheaval that comes with those changes.(I know the argument would be, why do the changes have to cause such interruption? it's just my opinion)
So then i would say just judge him on the following 2 seasons. I don't think that's enough to say he will never change or learn.
And EMS, you may very well be right that it's an attitude thing, the arrogance to want to prove his way works. Again, i'd say this is something that can change with experience and help. We agree he's not an idiot, so i believe that can happen.
25 Feb 2015 14:44:40
If we had won that title last season would people still be on Rogers back. Or would there be some slack given to him. Did we not realise when he come to Liverpool that we were getting a very young an inexperienced manager that was bound to have ups and downs. ? For me, conceding 3 goals in 15 minutes to palace and an unfortunate slip was down to the players, not Rogers. we should have had that title in the cabinet. i do get where some of your arguments are coming from towards him. i also understand our expectations. but going from charlie adam and joe cole to Coutinho and Henderson, Andy Carroll to Daniel Sturridge or Spearing to Emre Can. ok we have also had some very bad moves which most clubs could put their hand up for that too. they may not be in the same ordinary financial position as us but were clearly heading in a good direction albeit with some bumps in the road. i understand a new manager is very possible. but unless its Guardiola or Simeone, which is highly unlikely, i would rather stick with Rogers with a possible DoF and keep the little bit of stability we have started to build.
25 Feb 2015 16:12:13
Yeah Rodgers had skrtl in defence last season so yes I would blame Rodgers same with Johnson in defence.
25 Feb 2015 23:40:14
I don`t know if he is nuts or not. What we do know is that he is arrogant, stubborn prone to making the same mistakes over and over again and based on recent history, unwilling to change. Those are the facts. Now that FSG ae about to reel him in and hold him accountable for the above-mentioned, he had better have a good response to the tough grilling he would recieve because remenber, because FSG don`t come to Anfield every other week, does NOT mean they are in the dark about everything. They know everything and even more than we do here. Hence if he is unwilling to adhere to the new structure being put in place gradually withing the club, then he should recieve his walking papers ASAP because he is not bigger than LFC and will NOT dictate to the owners (who are his bosses BTW) what goes.