25 Feb 2015 16:13:23
I have read some interesting views on here today regarding Rodgers and why we should stick with him and why he should not be trusted.
The one thing Rafa never did was change his managerial ways, FOR NOBODY. Nether did Houllier and neither will someone like Mourinho. Has Wenger ever changed? Plain and simple NO.
So for me it is actually not about Rodgers is or has learnt from, his mistakes as he eventually had to change the way we played otherwise he would be sitting without a job now.
Rodgers like Rafa, Houllier, Mourinho and Weneger etc etc will never change as managers.
Rodgers first half of his debut season is a mirror image of what happened in the first half of this season. First half of last season we were not bad but we were also not displaying mind blowing football all the time.
Is Rodgers going to change when no other managers have shown to have done so? Is Tone Pulis going to wake up tomorrow morning and decide to play like Barcelona?
Rodgers is not going to change his mindset and what he believes in and there is anyone who wants to believe otherwise then so be it. Fact of the matter is that the football philosophy he brought with him to Anfield has failed miserably and has had to use a another style of play each season which is far better than his to revive things.
'Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me'
25 Feb 2015 16:55:16
Max these are my points exactly, except I'm hoping Rodgers is young enough to realise that his ideal style of play doesn't work.
If he bites the bullet and carries on playing the style we are at the minute then there's a chance he could make a real name for his self.
If he tries playing how he thinks then he's going to end up at home watching Jeremy Kyle with nowhere to go.
25 Feb 2015 17:06:23
If anyone believes Rodgers is going to completely change what he believes and learned in Spain etc to completely change and play the way Biesla believes football should be played then you my friend are hoping for better days.
Rodgers would have to totally wipe his hands clean of the philosophy which has failed him and sold to FSG in order to get this job. Will FSG accept another mediocre first half of the season display? Hell no.
You can take a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink. End of the story.
25 Feb 2015 17:16:11
I don't understand this, to me it's contradictory. First you type Rodgers will never change his philosophy, but then you admit Rodgers changed his philosophy!?
''So for me it is actually not about Rodgers is or has learnt from, his mistakes as he eventually had to change the way we played otherwise he would be sitting without a job now.
Rodgers like Rafa, Houllier, Mourinho and Weneger etc etc will never change as managers.''
25 Feb 2015 17:27:16
Ollieston
Nowhere have I been contradictory. I said that Rodgers had to change the way we played otherwise he would be without a job and that is a simple fact. He even admitted that his job was on the line!
The way we played the first half of this season was some of the worst football I have ever seen and lead to us having the worst start to a season in something like half a century.
You are just trying to put words in my mouth and sugar coat Rodgers.
25 Feb 2015 17:29:43
Stop with the style. We are awful defensively. We will win nothing unless we have Messi and suarez upfront with the same defence. Get this style nonsense out of your heads. The defence and goalkeeper needs rectified this summer. We didn't lose the league last season through lack of goals but goals conceded.
if skrtl is not shown the door with Johnson and a top gk's bought then we will be disappointed criminally as fans for more years to come.
25 Feb 2015 17:37:06
All those managers have greatly changed the way that they play many times over the years, except maybe Rafa (and even he set up quite differently at Chelsea). They are more worried about the best way they can play with the team they have than an individual philosophy
25 Feb 2015 17:58:13
Really don't understand your point- are you saying he should, and was right to, change, or that the best managers don't change their philosophies?
That said Wenger's inability to change his footballing ideology for big matches is the reason Arsenal went 8 years without a trophy.
25 Feb 2015 17:59:22
I've put no words into your mouth and i actually used your own words (quotes) to show the folly in your comment.
Your comment makes explicit that Rodgers changed and that Rodgers will never change. That is contradictory in my mind.
Contradictory, defined : mutually opposed or inconsistent.
As for ''sugar coating Rodgers'' that sounds like it belongs on a different website.
25 Feb 2015 18:08:40
Managers do or at least should change as time goes on, otherwise they wouldn't last more than a few years in management.
You have to adapt your playing style every time you move country, league, team etc to make the most out of what you have and to give your team the best chance against the opposition.
It's these managers like Rodgers who seem incapable of playing anything but there own way that's worrying, especially when they have to make wholesale changes every summer and perfectly good players go bad overnight as the manager can't actually manage.
I agree there are few managers who will go from being defensive all the time to full on attack minded managers but they do adapt and mix it up a bit now and again.
I also disagree with all the managers you named never changing.
25 Feb 2015 18:10:48
Look at Sir Alex Ferguson when he started his career and when he finished his career.
Was he the same manager at the end as he was in the beginning?
Of course not.
Rodgers is very young for a manager so of course he will change some aspects of his management over time, it's only natural to do that.
25 Feb 2015 19:12:23
maxlfc, you are definitely contradicting yourself.
you are also wrong about Wenger never changing his style. he changed it against City and Spurs and went more defensive. also at the beginning of his career he played counter attacking football and preferred physical players like Vieira, Adams, Keown, Lauren. Now he is more technical and possession based.
25 Feb 2015 20:22:44
Redhead, that's this season for the first time in many years.
Going to Stamford Bridge last season and playing Mikel Arteta as a DEFENSIVE midfielder was footballing suicide, not quite no surprise they lost 6-0, but a heavy beating was certainly to be expected
25 Feb 2015 23:29:57
Only an "person" never admits he is wrong, never tries to change, seeks knowledge and never tries to evolve and get better at what he/she is doing. Fergie was able to evolve and reinvent his teams with the changing times which is why he was successful (the money helps too). If BR cannot change his ways and cannot work within the structure FSG (who are his bosses and not his coworkers I would remind some people) is trying to put in place then, he should not let the door smack him in the arse on his way out, IMO.
26 Feb 2015 08:29:14
Actually if you talk to Arsenal fans you'll realise Wenger often changes his style for big games. He just doesn't change it to the right style