03 Mar 2015 10:57:05
Eds and fellow reds,
do you think rodgers has learnt his lesson and will play attacking, pressing football from the beginning next season. Or go back to the possession in the defence tactic that never works. Because every season we end with an incredible run. Imagine if we could do it all season for once. But will Rodgers even allow that to happen
{Ed001's Note - I worry that his recent comments about players not being fit enough to play the pressing system early in the season suggest he intends to revert again at the beginning of the season. But I hope he has learnt a lesson and will go at it from the beginning and manage the squad when/if tiredness becomes a problem.}
03 Mar 2015 11:37:42
The problem with playing this way all season come Easter the players may run out of steam I suppose depending who we r up against mix it up.
{Ed001's Note - players simply don't run out of steam if they are training properly. This is a myth, just like the struggles after European games, they are all lies built up by managers making excuses after poor performances. Sometimes results tail off, but that is down to a lack of fitness, or because the players are being badly managed. Not one player at the club is being pushed as hard as a triathlete pushes themself, for instance, so there is certainly more in the tank if players are trained correctly. Also, with a squad any tired players can easily be rested.}
03 Mar 2015 12:01:22
Never know whether to click the agree button or the disagree one. I agree with the post but disagree with the Ed's response
{Ed001's Note - perhaps you should learn to articulate your opinion, rather than just clicking a button?}
03 Mar 2015 12:43:13
The players Rodgers has bought where supposed to be suited to that style, and we have a team of kids who should be able to manage it.
Rodgers needs to realise that his style of football doesn't work.
03 Mar 2015 12:51:56
I agree completely with regards to using your squad to keep players fresh. Always wondered though if the physios/sport science/doctor type people have a big say in managers selections?
{Ed001's Note - depends on the manager/head coach. Rafa always used to work very closely with Pako Ayesteran on team selection, a lot of the rotation was down to Pako. Mourinho likes to keep his team settled and so works with the physios etc to keep the players fit to play as often as possible. Though he does sometimes leave a player out for a rest when needed.}
03 Mar 2015 13:33:57
good response ed, ON BOTH occasions that is.
{Ed001's Note - now I am the one confused, as there are 4 responses in this thread from me!}
03 Mar 2015 13:37:20
These points are all based on the premise that when the team isn't performing that it's because it's the way Rodgers wants them to play. His fault.
And when the team is performing it's because Rodgers is forced begrudgingly to employ a different way of playing. So success in spite of Rodgers is the implication.
How about it's a young talented manager making some mistakes but willing to change and adapt while developing a talented you squad and learning how to drive that squad through competing in multiple fronts.
Finish in the top 4 and he's job is safe. For all those taking about winning silverware, maybe they should give some sort of shield to the teams finishing in 2rd, 3rd and 4th. because any team would swap a league cup or FA cup for a champions league spot.
{Ed001's Note - none of those points are based on that at all, don't lie because you want to apologise for Rodgers' errors. All of the points are based on it being Rodgers' way of playing, whether winning or losing. Nobody has implied it is in spite of him in this thread except for you, making up nonsense to suit your blinkered view of things. Take your lies and go away until you can come back and learn to read and post without lying to try and make a crap point. You have no idea about whether his job is safe or not, so give it a rest.}
03 Mar 2015 15:36:25
I know we're your coming from ed in response to my post I often wonder how there is so much yapping about tiredness when they r doing their job of playing football, the best job in the world especially when they r playing for r fantastic club I sound like Jimmy Liddell now.But unless I have played at a level these players r playing I personally wouldn't rule out a player r 2 hitting a brick wall 2 thirds into the season.
{Ed001's Note - I trained with triathletes, they do more in training each day than our players do in a week. The problem is down to the way we train players, as sprinters rather than endurance athletes. I understand why, they want them at the peak constantly, but it is not possible for people to be at their peak constantly while training as sprinters. You need to build up their stamina first, which is why certain players, such as McManaman in the past, never struggle with fatigue. They built up their stamina first, in Macca's case as a cross country runner in school. Players like Suarez get it through playing non-stop while young, and so building up an innate fitness. Our kids are not allowed to play many games in case they get tired, so they never build up the stamina in the first place. They need to play more to build up the stamina, not less!}
03 Mar 2015 17:42:46
Fitzy
Sky have been showing this week how we improve dramatically second half of the season.
And we all now why that is
03 Mar 2015 18:17:28
Ed 1, you are spot on. I have trained for many years and one important fundamental factor of training is tricking the muscles i.e. the 'lungs'. You can sprint all day and run a couple of miles, but that will never provide the full lung expansion what's required for true athletic stamina.
It is a serious fundamental flaw in football.
Even if Macca wasn't at full sprint, his training would allow him to run non-stop for 90 minutes albeit at a slower yet consistent pace, which was more effective than your sporadic sprint movements of closing down a player.
03 Mar 2015 19:49:21
Some interesting points ed001.
Was it sir Alex that said if you stopped Mcmanaman, you stopped Liverpool? I can't remember.
I think the sprinting training etc has become part and parcel of the game due to the fact pace is seen as such a strong virtue to creating space and time, as well as pinning defenses/wingers back.
With regards to playing time, isn't this reduced so as not to interfere with education etc? from an early age?
Have you ever done a YOYO test ED? That was the first time I realised how different test gave out different measures of fitness. I used to go ok in beep test getting about 14-15 when I was young. YOYO's absolutely ruined me. I think football as a whole dropped the beep for the yoyo recently as a fitness gauge
(for the record I got 20 on the level 2 yoyo if any ones ever done it)
{Ed001's Note - I haven't done a YOYO test no. There are lots of different tests for different types of fitness, but basic stamina will still count, that is missing in the modern game. I understand the reasoning behind dropping all the hard running they used to do in preseason, but they are not replacing it adequately.
The reduced playing time is nothing to do with education, it is another thing supposed to reduce 'burnout'. Too many people will quote Owen's shortened career as an example of burnout without understanding that he was burnout because of poor training and poor lifestyle, not because he played too many games.}
03 Mar 2015 23:55:05
If you are a footie player. stamina, strength and endurance training is paramount, IMO. As a young player, my then coach (a former youth international of Nigeria) focused on stamina, endurance and fitness because in his book, if you and the opponent are equally matched, if you can outlast the opposition, you have a better chance of winning the game. With his help, I got so fit that I never got tired and could keep playing for hours. The drills he would give us were criminal especially under the scorching sun. In order for me to be able to withstand this regimen, I had to do extra stamina workouts on my own and it worked. Also, Ed01 is right because as a kid, we played footie for hours and as I grew up, I was not afraid of staying on the practice field for hours and in fact, I began to like it. The high press can be played in every game, IMO. It is u to the manager to manage the players weel and know when to give them a rest and taylor training and rest periods to suit them. We have a good example of that w/ Poch at Spurs who drives his players into the ground in training while employing the high press every game he plays. This clearly explains why Spurs outlast their opponents by taking the most points (15, I think) in the last 10mins of games. So the excuses that BR ditched the system to to save the players from burning out is baseless and simply defies the laws of logic and dare I say, Physics. The reason we were poor is down to HIM and ALL down to HIM and his poor management. A good coach, he is. A good manager, clearly not BUT could be in the futre IF he learns and quickly.
04 Mar 2015 07:55:38
I hated my first manager.
He was ex Army and we never saw a ball.
It was fitness fitness fitness.
I have a lot to thank him for now though because he gave me a base fitness level which has still lasted to this day.
I also ran cross country.
I am a great believer in doing lots of things to keep in shape.
Walk, run, swim, cycle, it all helps.
I am nearly 40 now though so recovery takes place in the pub:)
04 Mar 2015 09:16:01
I'm fairly sure the teams of Shankly and Paisley trained far more than they do now and always used to start the training with a long run (8 - 10 miles). I even seem to recall Shank's teams running up and down the Kop wearing backpacks with sand in, purely to build up stamina and practising shooting in a sweat box in the mud.