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03 Mar 2015 19:08:29
Ok, so I have been a huge critic of Rodgers this season but rightly so. If he had decided to continue with the intensive pressing system which almost won us the league last season then we would have been challenging for the title this season again.

Hopefully he has realised that the philosophy which he sold to FSG 'Tiki Taka' is not an option anymore. Even Guardiola has talked of how much he hates the system.

So fingers crossed Rodgers has scrapped that dreadful system of slow build up possession based 'let's pass pass pass pass pass pass pass and eventually also find a way of passing the ball into the back of the oppositions net.

Should Rodgers still be here next season and I see that rubbish again then FSG need to pull the trigger ASAP. We cannot have another season of transition etc.

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03 Mar 2015 19:25:47
Remember where we was before Rodgers? And who exactly do we bring in to replace him?

03 Mar 2015 19:32:17
Is it really an option to press with our recent intensity for a whole entire season ? Especially with so many new players on board, injuries etc etc. Would we be entering a burnout stage now/second half of season if we had done !? Just wondering on others opinions is all. After all "its business, its business tiiiimmee :-)

03 Mar 2015 19:46:01
So halflot

Do you want to see a repeat of the start of the season again? One of our most dreadful starts to a season ever?

Injuries and new players is just an excuse. All the players we signed bar Balotelli are suited to a high temp game. Even Lambert who is not even getting a sniff anymore.

Rodgers is the manager. He picks the team and asks them how to play so for you to make excuses of how utterly rubbish we were in the first half of this season shows that you are an apologist.

03 Mar 2015 19:48:36
I have to say, I do wonder why managers etc constantly refer to their players being tired, especially in regard to this ''burnout'' myth. They run say 10-12km in a match, and play no more than twice every 6-7 days.They then get a days rest afterwards, and only do maybe 3-4 hours of training a day during the week. If they are so tired after a match, then they should get another day off training, but I refuse to believe that professional athletes cannot play two matches within a week without getting tired after a few repetions of this. I only play sport for fun and I could comfortably do a 10km every three days without getting tired.

03 Mar 2015 20:28:10
Max - my post was more of a question to put out there than an opinion really. Read it properly before claiming i, m making "excuses"etc etc !

03 Mar 2015 20:51:26
Kyles, I think there is probably a big difference between running 12k and doing 12k high intensity stop start sprinting that top footballers have to do.

{Ed001's Note - they very rarely do 12k, even including the walking and jogging they do most of the game.}

03 Mar 2015 22:38:27
They get paid a stack of money and are trained athletes. They should be running themselves into the ground every match and only ease off when we are 3 or four goals ahead. If they can't maintain form, fitness or effort we have a big enough squad for others to step up. Granted, the first couple of games of the season they might be rusty or not fully match-fit but not the first three months.

03 Mar 2015 23:35:40
Are we talking about eit pro athletes or a bunch of high school kids? The barest minimum for a pro athlete is to be physically fit for the trials of his profession. If he can`t do that or can`t hack it in whatever system then he should be either helped to get there or be shown the door. Many of us would take two bullets in the head to do what they do so what`s their excuse? N BTW, I read somewhere that a pro footie player only runs an average 7-8km per game depending on the position.

03 Mar 2015 23:52:48
It's totally different from going for a 10k jog. The difference is the high intensity sprints and the lateral movements. It does depend on the position though. Lallana or Phil would obviously run further with more high intensity moments than Sakho or Skrtel. But I'm sure the liverpool conditioning people know their stuff

04 Mar 2015 11:13:40
Ok, let me give some perspective on this fitness issue. I think I'm qualitifed to shed some light on it as my brother-in-law is an international footballer who plays in the Championship.

Firstly, there's more to football than fitness. Preparation for games involves a lot more than just training ground drills. We're talking elite level football here, fine margins, not just turn up and play Sunday League style. You have to be physically, mentally and tactically prepared for each match. If you think a player can play 2-3 games a week just because they're fit enough, then you're a touch mistaken. There's more to it than that. How about opposition analysis? How about set piece preparation? How about in-game transition? There are many facets to a game of football, especially at elite level where the smallest details can make a difference. So the term "burn out" doesn't just relate to the physical fitness of a player. As fans we rarely see beyond match day, but there's a lot more to the life of a footballer than just the 90 mins. I know this first hand. Something as simple as travelling can affect a player, confidence, family life, contract negotiations, stress. Anyway, you get the point.

By the way, I'm not arguing the point of how players should be managed. That indeed is the manager and coaches job to ensure players are performing at maximum capacity in whatever games they are involved in. My point really is around throwing numbers like 10km, 12km as a barometer of whether a player can play more matches than they are. That's just way too general an assumption without considering a multitude of other factors.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but they simply don't do enough preparation for that to be an issue. Go and look at the amount of time US athletes put in to learn the playbook, then come back and tell me that Premier League footballers are burning out mentally. It is nonsense, they are mollycoddled children having it all too easy and that is the problem. Poor little mites whine about nothing most of the time.}

04 Mar 2015 12:12:44
Sorry Ed01 - that's such a black and white way to view things. You sound a bit too 'old school' with that comment. Sure, a lot of these modern footballers are mollycoddled, but to suggest players can play at peak performance 2-3 times a week because they're young and fit is too much of a generalisation IMO.

{Ed001's Note - hardly old school, it is modern sports science that is used to show they can perform more often in the US sports. They also travel a lot further on a regular basis. They are in fact where most of the latest data that football is using, with regards to sprint training etc, comes from. So I will take my modern view over yours based on one footballer you know. I could discuss the many I know, but I don't see the relevance in discussing it when they haven't a bloody clue what they are talking about. Footballers think they are hard done by when they have an easy life. Ask those training under Bielsa or Pochettino, large numbers of them whined like babies because they had to train twice a day! Players are perfectly capable of playing 2-3 times a week, there is no proven reason they can't, there is far more evidence that they can do so than they can't.}

04 Mar 2015 14:15:12
Ed01,

I guess it's a little strange that clubs have a squad of approx 25 players, when if trained correctly, using the US sports 'latest' data as you put it, they could limit that number down to around 14-15. After all, the US is hardly the pinnacle of football is it? They may have the leading edge on football related activities, ie. Sprinting, but they are a far cry from being the blueprint on success in the modern game.

Also, players may be perfectly capable of playing 2-3 times a week, but maintaining the required performance level 2-3 times a week is a different kettle of fish. You are ignoring any factor outside of football that could affect the player.

{Ed001's Note - that makes no sense, you are just another of those that wants to twist words to make bull crap assertions that don't have anything to do with what was said. But, while we are on the subject of your clueless assertions, Chelsea work with a squad of just 18 players under Mourinho. He always goes with that number of first teamers.

I don't see why you are trying to claim football related activities are so far removed from other sports to make them some kind of special case. That is why it has taken so long for football to catch up to other sports in the sports science area. To think you called me old school when you are still at primary school level of learning in this area.

How am I ignoring outside factors? You are making up more crap in your head because you don't know what you are talking about so have to lie about my thinking. Football is light years behind most sports, especially in England, because of people like you, with their 'football is a special case' nonsense. Do you not think other athletes are affected by circumstances outside of their sport itself? Amazing how a tennis player, who works harder than any footballer, is able to play multiple times a day at a high level for hours at a time in a tournament. Then off to the next tournament to do it again. What are they doing when they are not playing? Oh yes training.

There is no real reason for the myth built up around footballers about them being unable to play more often, they simply are not being pushed hard enough fitness wise. Most of them are too busy out nightclubbing until all hours to recover effectively. If they were so damn tired they wouldn't be out living it up, they would be sleeping.

As for keeping up the performance level, again it is a myth, plenty of other human endeavours require far more mental and physical stress and humankind manages to overcome them. If they had more stamina, they would be more able to cope with mental fatigue as well.}







 

 

 
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