23 Mar 2015 14:45:43
Ed001, I just read you are a fan of Monchi as I am also. My question or my concerns would be Rodgers willingness to work alongside somebody like him, do you share similar concerns? Or, if you could bring a new head coach in who do you think would best fit the profile? Me personally it would be Klopp but understand that is very unlikely to happen.
{Ed001's Note - if Rodgers was not willing to work alongside him then I would not hesitate to replace him. For me Rodgers only stays in the role because I don't see an outstanding replacement option, not because of his abilities. I mean it is keeping Rodgers in the hope he learns from the mistakes he is making and improves, rather than because of what he is doing right. So I would not be in the slightest worried about changing him for another head coach who might make mistakes learning the role and the league. If we could get Klopp, well then Rodgers would be getting his cards now if it was up to me.}
23 Mar 2015 14:57:10
I have to agree with Ed001. It seems we are keeping Rodgers in the hope he will change, despite the fact that all the evidence is that he will not. That is not a logical position, especially not for a business that seeks to make money and make a net profit.
{Ed001's Note - I took a step back recently just to read what people said about him, mostly because people were accusing me of having personal reasons for not wanting him at the club, so I thought I would just read what his backers have to say and see if it would convince me. It does seem that most of them only back him because he is young and learning, rather than because of what he is doing now.}
23 Mar 2015 15:37:48
I worry he won’t learn, his stubbornness will be his own Achilles heel in my opinion. I hope he proves me wrong and, as you say, learn from his errors. I get the feeling and I could be wrong it’s his way or no way hence why he has surrounded himself around yes men in Pascoe and Marsh. That for me, if of course that Is the case, is very weak management. I remember Fergie bringing McClaren in because of his slightly left sided views and I believe Ball was promoted at Arsenal for the same reason. I don’t have confidence in team of people Brendan has surrounded himself with, let’s put it like this, the number 2 would or should be able to run a club if something happened to the manager, i'd have little to no faith in Pascoe to run our team. These are contributing factors to why I don’t think he will work well beside a DOF unless he has the say in who gets it which he shouldn’t and don’t think he would. In my opinion the club should have sorted the DOF first then appointed the manager, they shouldn’t have bowed to Brendans requests of ‘let me run the club’. However, do you think after the whole Comolli thing it put the owners off appointing a DOF at that particular time?
I guess, Klopp would have his pick of clubs in Europe including the big 2 in Spain should he become available, it’s a shame because I think as a coach he fits the job perfectly but again doubt he’d even consider us.
{Ed001's Note - no, the owners still wanted a DoF but couldn't get a manager to agree to work under one.}
23 Mar 2015 16:27:20
Great to see that you have evaluated the situation perfectly, Ed. BR is on a knife`s edge with the owners and this summer will determine if he is let go or not. If Klopp/De Boer are the guys and both work w/ a DOF at their cluubs then pull the trigger. BR needs to re-evaluate himself as a coach and a man because right now IMO, he needs to change and get help (on the pitch, of course) because his persistent stubborness will only lead to sackings.
{Ed001's Note - both work under a DoF.}
23 Mar 2015 17:35:33
Ed apart from De Boer, who do you expect to be available in terms of Managers that are of sufficient ability? I have read here before that Klopp and Simeone have clubs pining after them and they essentially have their pick and that will not be Liverpool is that right?
Bielsa doesn't speak English well so is unlikely to come (from what I've read), I can't really think of anyone else who Liverpool could go after if the owners decide to go on without Rodgers, Hecking has done well at Wolfsburg this season, my worry with him is that Maximilian Arnold and Knoche are the only two players that have come through the youth system under him as far as I can recall.
{Ed001's Note - Simeone and Ancelotti are both out of reach but Klopp is not entirely ridiculous, he has admitted an affection for us. For me it has to be him if he can be persuaded. Bielsa doesn't speak English so won't be an option, sadly for me.}
23 Mar 2015 20:29:09
For me too Ed. He has turned OM around with using the same players that came 6th last year to challenging PSG and Lyon for the title.
{Ed001's Note - young players as well he is good with. He did wonders to turn Sanchez and Vidal into the players they are now.}
23 Mar 2015 21:30:39
Klopp would not come though Ed.
Or would he?
Also on Rodgers, for his age how do you rate him?
I know it is hard to compare due to most managers being a bit older but interested to hear your opinion.
I think he has great potential but then you know me. ha ha
Do you think he has the potential to be an elite manager?
{Ed001's Note - why would Klopp not come? From what I am told he is looking to move on at the end of the season, so why not at least try? He has publicly stated his liking for the club, so it has to be worth a try.
Rodgers has shown nothing as a manager to rate him at all. He has a very good young side but has no idea how to work with them. He is extremely indecisive, every change is too late, from tactical switches to subs. I am sorry but I can see why people believe he has potential but he has shown nothing to me to see a single sign of a top class manager in there at all. He is never a manager, not in any way. His handling of the club and the players has been little short of inept management wise. As a coach, one of the best in the game, as a manager he is awful. His coaching skills are covering up his deficiencies as a manager.}
24 Mar 2015 00:20:59
I find it a bit odd that Bielsa would know French and not English but hey ho. Ed do you know if Bielsa has ever expressed an interest in moving to England to manage?
I remember reading that Chelsea looked at him but that was around 2012 when he was at Bilbao, not entirely sure of the truth in that. I also find it strange for a coach so well respected among other coaches and people within football that he has yet to land himself a 'big job' not that Marseille isn't a big job but you get my meaning hopefully.
{Ed001's Note - you do realise he is Argentinian and they don't like England there right? There is good reason for them not to be taught English at school level! Though they do have the most Welsh speakers in the world there, so maybe he could speak that?
I do know he has considered offers from England, but I don't know any more than that. There will be interest from England in him in the summer as well, so it will be interesting to see what happens.}
24 Mar 2015 02:28:13
Correct!
24 Mar 2015 02:34:13
To add, he is also giving youth a chance at OM as well with Benjamin Mendy, Mario Lemina and Jean Baptiste Aloe. Also, watch out for the young Belgian stiker Michy Batshuayi. He is a hell of a player and is improving with every game under Bielsa
{Ed001's Note - that is one of the reasons he was given the job, to play the youth. It is also a big part of the reason I so want him as our manager. We have a great youth academy, we just need a manager with the balls to give them their chances.}
24 Mar 2015 07:03:55
Cheers for the reply Ed. As always.
{Ed001's Note - welcome mate. I wish I could see signs of him being a top class manager but I just can't see any. We have to change it at the top, to take more of the management away from him.}
24 Mar 2015 09:52:44
I do ed, I travelled around Argentina for a few months a few years back. Most everyone in the cities and some in the villages knew English as a second language, a bit broken sure but well enough.
I suppose things were a bit different when Bielsa would have grown up since he is a little older. You are completely right about his use of young players. Javi Martinez was 'one of his' also right?
{Ed001's Note - very much so mate.}