09 Apr 2015 22:21:23
Genuine question for united fan, with 20 odd years gone without managing to win the premiership, do you think you will win it in the next 5 years? I personally don't
09 Apr 2015 23:08:42
Its a fair question, and I think an awful lot depends on whether we change manager this summer.
Strikers aside, I think our squad is better than the league position would indicate. For me, we underperformed mainly because Rodgers could not or would not find a system that worked for the first 15 games.
Also, he doesn't seem to be able to motivate the players the way a top coach should. I don't know what he does for his pre game team talk, but our players often seem to show less fighting spirit than the opposition- as against utd recently for example.
Also, for a so-called pressing team, we don't press as effectively as many others, and we don't cope very well when we get pressed.
Also, I don't think he is as good a coach as people say- Lovren turned from a competent cb into a complete disaster under his coaching and management, and I don't think Raheem's game is progressing the way he should.
Moreno doesn't seem to be getting a lot of defensive coaching either
Take away all of those issues by appointing a new coach, and I think this squad will play a lot better than they are now over a full season.
The idiotic and wasteful transfer strategy is going to be brought under control as well.
The only team really pulling away onto a different level is Chelsea. Everyone else has had significant wobbles this season, even City at the moment.
I honestly think if LFC can get hold of a very good striker, and strengthen one or two other key positions, then under a different manager this squad can challenge for second place, even next season.
No-one will catch Chelsea for a while yet, they just have too much quality and are very well managed and shrewdly run as a club.
The restrictions of FFP might mean the likes of City can't simply splash the cash to buy a host of top new players and catch Chelsea, so the race in the next five years will mostly be for second place, and I think LFC have just as much chance of a second place finish as Utd and arsenal have.
On the other hand, if BR stays I expect a few poor or unnecessary players to be signed in the summer, and then a very poor first half of next season, and him gone by xmas anyway with a caretaker manager in place and yet another season written off.
09 Apr 2015 23:22:25
how long did it take you to think of that question? Been working on it since Monday I bet?
09 Apr 2015 23:27:30
First of all, we don't think in sections of 5 years or even in 20, we think in 50s, long perspective (and life). Second we don't make predictions. What we do know is that when we will win it it will be because we will make the most of a decent squad, not because our sponsor pour on us billions of pounds so we can practically buy our trophies.
In any case, wining the premiership seems a bit of a long shot for both our clubs at the moment so let's focus on the next important trophy. see you in the semi final of the FA cup, mate? Oh sorry I forgot you are not there. so maybe focus on winning your match agaisnt the 'noisy neighbour', for a change? we may genuinly wish you good luck on that one although I personally don't think you are good enough.
10 Apr 2015 00:29:01
Give it 7 years and we will be there. If we have a manager who gives players their chances whilst taking into account the 'home-grown' rule, I think our academy can more than make the difference. We just need to be willing to give players a chance. Other sides will struggle with that rule, especially the rival teams.
10 Apr 2015 00:04:25
Haha fanobip you make me laugh. Constant stupid replies to any normal question. See you in the semi. Like you have anything to gloat about. 1 trophy in 8 years? What a tool. My question was genuine based on thig like the money Chelsea and City have incomparison to everyone else. You've obviously took it to heart. Like how you say we bought the league. You are joking or very very silly. Do you not remember the beckhams, Neville's , scholes , butts, giggs?? No money spent but we doninated for years! You spend millions every year, but as your own fans often comment you waste it. My opinion is you won't win the league for the next 10 years. I think we will in the next 2 - 3
10 Apr 2015 00:45:52
Anonymush you say your squads better than your position indicates but can u really believe that your squad is better than utds, citys arsenals or chelseas? I honestly don't think your squad is great and bar sterling and maybe sturridge will get in those teams. Take a central 3 of henderson allen and lucas. Do they really compare to herrera carrick mata? Matic fabregas oscar? Wilshere ozil ramsey? Yaya, fernandinho silva? No. Your defence is a shambles and your only good striker is injured so tbh 5th is what i would expect to be the best for youse based on squads. i'm not having a go, liverpool have a good squad and really talented youth but you're first team need a lot of improvements to compete top 4 and it looks like you could fall further behind with no ucl
10 Apr 2015 03:40:25
We have a good squad even last season although limited. All we needed was a touch up w/ 3-4 class players for the first team and use our good academy graduates as squad cover. BR thought differently and bought a whole new squad while pissing away loads of dosh. He wasted half a season dithering and all this has set us back. Did we have a chance at the PL? Had we made ay while the sun was shining, maybe. But we have to make uch better decisions with the transfer strategies and structure of the club and a clear vision of the coaching staff and we WILL win the PL in due course.
10 Apr 2015 07:27:02
Lol hook, lines and sinker.
Fanobip, yes u will do it the right way ;)
10 Apr 2015 08:04:13
Problem with this question is that if I'd asked a United fan in January 2013 when they thought they would first miss out on the CL spots, they'd probably have said never. If I asked them last March when they would next be in one, they'd probably have gone foetal. You can't predict 5 years in football. If Ibe, Sterling and Coutinho all stay and keep developing we could have an attacking midfield formation amongst the deadliest in Europe. Or they could all stagnate and become injury prone wastes of space. You just never know
10 Apr 2015 08:09:14
Tbh thought it was a genuine question but both fans took it to heart. Could we win the league in the next 5 years, yes but wouldn't be easy. needs good management and getting transfers spot on (for example what Mourinho did with chelsea).
Do United have a much better chance, yes of course they have more money and look likely to get CL football. But Google the top ten most expensive signings in the BPL and the majority have failed (Torres, Carroll, shevchenko, etc. and di Maria or falcao have hardly lit the league a light from the bench).
About squads, firstly disregard chelsea. If you made a premier league team of the season about 9 would be from their team. Secondly is more about the sum of the parts than the individual, how many of athleticos team would have gotten in real or barcas last season? Who won that league? Have a great group of players that with the right manager and a few signings could easily compete for the title and same applies to Arsenal, city, and United.
Do I think we will win it in next 5-7 years, yes. Mainly because club is taking steps to look at the whole structure of the club and how to get it right and as I said have some really good players just need to move the right ones on and get the right ones in. Not likely at all but I think we will
10 Apr 2015 09:21:47
Trumours, all United fans were moaning about how Mata was a waste of money a few months back now you're comparing your midfield with Chelsea. Henderson is better than Herrara and you compare Mata with Allen why not compare him with a similar player in the position he plays like Coutinho or Sterling who are both younger and over a season both done better than he has. You say our defence is a shambles but without De Gea for the first half of the season you wouldn't have picked up the points you have would you? It works both ways
10 Apr 2015 09:41:45
Stand united that was very funny, the money that City and Chelsea have, ha ha. Ye right, didn't you have about a billion pounds sponsorship with Adidas earlier this year stating everywehre that they will pour as much money as needed until you win the PL back?
I seriously rate our 2nd place last year with the squad we had much more than your last title won only after you bought the best player in the league from a main rival (RVP if anyone forgot).
I don't think it was a genuine question, you basically came to shout that we will never win the league so I say go argue about that with your super rich neighbours. The league became a bit like formula 1 when there are 2 or 3 (or maybe 4) teams that have the money to produce a car that will be so faster from the others that they will win the title no matter who is a driver. So what is the point to make predictions?
You had a miracle called Alex Ferguson, I won't take that from you, but the minute he left you fell apart and now try to buy your way back with billions of pounds. You pay 250k a week to a player just to sit on the bench where our club refuse to pay more than 100k a week to our bigger star and most of us think this is still way more than a player in LFC should get in his age.
In any case, I genuinly wished you good luck in your match against City, how often you get a LFC supporter genuinly wishing you to win a match? Embrace it and leave us alone, we still have to settle our weekly debate which is if BR is more or less responsible than Skertl for us being out of the top 4.
10 Apr 2015 10:19:57
Fanobip, we don't have adidas sponsorship this season pal. Starts next season. And the figures are what the figures are when your the biggest club in the world. Nobody just plonked us there. We did it winning consistant trophy a with the best batch of homegrown players in premier league history. Any club in the world is going to negotiate for the biggest possible deal, why wouldn't you. You bleat about money , go back over the last 5/6 years and you've spent a as much as us if not more. Don't know why you keep thinking you don't spend big. The fact we pay higher wages if because we make more money than you. Through success. And if you think £100k if the highest wage you will pay have a word with yourself mate.
As for the comment about mata, if you look over the united pages you will see all season long I have said mata should start every game , never have I wanted him out.
Hererra IMO will be a better player than Henderson, but that's my opinion. And as for coutinho being your best player, and di Maria our worst, di Maria has more goals and assists than him this season. While being out injured a lot. Say a lot doesn't it
10 Apr 2015 12:18:50
Henderson better than Herrera? Please dont. I honestly don't think one player in your team would get in our team.
10 Apr 2015 15:46:29
Alex4 i'm not comparing our mid with chelseas. a poster said your squad is better than your position indicates but its not better than any of the top 4. Ok compare coutinho with mata and still mata is better. Our defence started as shambles yes but as seen our defence has vastly improved with smalling being a revelation.how many errors have we had leading to goals compared to liverpool? Check the stata and the fact you think hendo is better than herrera is laughable.
10 Apr 2015 16:57:45
TRUMOURS - sorry fella but your defense is shocking and the only reason you haven't made many more mistakes that led to goals is that your keeper alone is phenomenal. Our defense is a long way off being golden but that doesn't make yours good. Recognise what you have - a world class keeper and a bunch of mid table, injury prone defenders in front of him
10 Apr 2015 17:41:11
Hjikle.
3rd best defence in the league in a season where we've apparently been terrible, and out defence a shambles. Just think what we will be like when we get a couple top defenders and CDM in the summer :) roll on next year!!
10 Apr 2015 18:23:29
Sorry Trumour but not just your midfield that doesn't compare with Chelsea is your whole team par De Gea (Personally think Courtois is better but will give credit is an amazing keeper). Don't get me wrong genuinely impressed that united have done so well as personally don't think a lot of your players are anywhere near what old trafford is used to (personally think you need a DM, 2 CBs, RB, Winger, and a striker - have the money but getting it right is more important the the sum).
Though is pretty sad when the two most successful English clubs fans are bragging about fourth (as the top European sides will take them apart anyways. sanchez and di maria are both rejects from them for example) and if they can win the title in the next 5 years.
10 Apr 2015 20:37:49
Do you think United will?
I don't think so either.
As for Liverpool.
It depends on whether we are silly and sack the manager.
Too many people are too quick to forget.
In that 20 yrs you are on about which manager came the closest to winning the league so far?
Yes, it was Rodgers.
Last year.
In his second season, as a rookie manager.
If we keep the guy then I think he will end the drought.
But then my thoughts on Rodgers are well documented.
10 Apr 2015 21:07:31
Sorry guys if i offwnded anyone, just a bit of friendly banter :) and i agree are defenders aren't great but i think they've done pretty well bar evans who needs to go.
10 Apr 2015 21:32:58
trumours- I have plenty of friends who are Manchester United season ticket holders living around an area with majority being United fans and even United fans who actually go to matches admit they would take Henderson over all the midfielders except from Carrick, as for Mata and Coutinho, they are both good players but Coutinho has age on his side and on his day is better than Mata however inconsistency is a problem
11 Apr 2015 00:01:00
Coutinho, Hendo, Sterling, Sahko will walk into utd's team easily, MUIRE. EASILY!