10 Apr 2015 18:42:03
Ed001, can I have your opinion on whether you feel Rodgers is going to get the boot at the end of the season?
{Ed001's Note - my opinion has not changed that he has put himself in a position where he will get the chop.}
10 Apr 2015 19:22:12
I fully agree. FSG got rid of Dalglish who was a club legend and showed the fans that they are ruthless irrespective of the reaction they knew they would get. So those who are thinking FSG are happy with the way this season has panned out are fooling themselves.
Even Werners's comments back in February where he said 4th was not critical but important (which is a contradiction) should already give you an idea of where FSG stand. Werner did not in any shape or form guarantee that Rodgers would be here next season.
{Ed002's Note - Dalglish went for one reason only - the Runt and the related actions of December 21, 2011. The Liverpool "supporters" on these pages have long forgotten about Dalglish and what he did for the club whilst many still obsess about the Runt. Sadly he is not remembered by the majority anymore - the Suarez lovers.}
10 Apr 2015 19:38:21
FSG took action irrespective of opinions of the fans. Dalglish did spend over £100m on his return and winning the Carling Cup did not save him his job.
It shows that FSG are ambitious and want success like they have had with the Red Sox and will ring the changes if they feel things are not how they should be.
Dalglish is a Legend, there is no doubt but it does not separate FSG's ambition. They want success and it is highly unlikely that they will get success under Rodgers. He is the first manager of LFC in recent times not to have won anything in his first two seasons.
{Ed002's Note - I explained - Dalglish went because of the Runt and the events of December 21, 2011 - I made it very clear that day and the following days it was over. Most of the obsessives care about the Runt, going on and on about the one person who has done more damage to the name of the club in the entire history of LFC than any one other person. They care not for history or Dalglish, they care about the Runt.
It was nothing to do with the Carling Cup nor the money spent, it was due to the absolute disgrace that was associated with Dalglish's naïve reactions on that day - you clearly cannot grasp this at all.}
10 Apr 2015 19:51:48
Ed002, I actually did not want Dalglish to be sacked but yes you make a valid point. Everything revolved around Suarez and he made a mockery time and time again of LFC in order to leave with a massive pay day which is exactly what he got.
{Ed002's Note - He didn't stay long enough to get the massive pay rise so Liverpool had no problem offering it up as they knew he would be gone. He didn't want to play for the club and spent 19 months trying to find a way out.}
10 Apr 2015 19:53:20
Why is there a contradiction between liking Suarez to appreciating Dalglish? Wasn't it Dalglish who brought Suarez 9already known for some discipline issues including biting)?
Suarez was only one of the most talented footballers ever to play in our club in one season if not the most talented and made us get the closest to winning the title we have been in the last 20 years without too much help for others. We appreciate this without thinking about him as a role model of how to behave when you are losing your head exactly like the United think about Roy Keane for example or CR7.
Your John Terry is not exactly role model in any aspect off the pitch - family life, racism chants, ugly fouls just name it. But no one will argue that if a Chelsea supporter likes Terry he cannot appreciate Drogba.
{Ed002's Note - Try not to make it about any other club - you are making an embarrassment of yourself in front of the other Liverpool fans. Yet again your ignorance about other players and clubs, and indeed Liverpool, comes to the fore.
Suarez was a truly foul Runt who had caused major problems where he had been previous, biting, going on strike etc.. Still whining about Suarez. How many games was he banned for whilst at Liverpool (25 or so and then a further x month ban that was avoided by his sale). What did he cost the club in reputation? A great deal. And the cost in embarrassment of having a player threaten court action and actively court other clubs? Do you have any idea about the problems with the sponsors, the despairing owners and the massive loss of face that has kept Liverpool out of discussions with other Liverpool sides. The financial implications? And what about how he cost Kenny Dalglish his job? A man who did so much for the club but so many of the supporters were happy to see discarded in favour of the runt.}
10 Apr 2015 20:25:35
Dalglish will always be revered among all Liverpool fans forever whereas the likes of Suarez , fantastic player though he was will be remembered but only at a level similar to many many quality strikers we have had over the years.
I was gutted at the time Dalglish went and it was obvious his standing by Suarez cost him and I feel his performance 2nd time round was a lot better than he gets credit for.
He came in and took over when we were right down the bottom end of the lge, the performances and results in the first season were as good as had been in a long time and a respectable position was achieved.
The signings of Suarez, Carrol who was flying at the time as was Adam & Downing alongside Henderson were all good ones at the time based on their performances when signed and it wasn't kennys responsibility the fees that were paid.
2nd year the Suarez effect done him in.
The obvious controversy but the ban leaving Dalglish without his best player.
We also had multiple injuries to important players, hit the woodwork and missed more pens than anyone in the league, but still got us to 2 cup finals, winning one.
Sometimes circumstances conspire against you and with all this going against kenny in year 2 , it's no wonder the lge form dipped from the previous year.
If you look at both squads I would fancy Dalglish to have this squad performing much better than the one he had.
It was gut wrenching he never got another season to improve on this season which was as unlucky as you could ever see but FSG had the option that either the manager or Suarez left and is often the case player power dictates the manager is the fall guy.
I bet this is a huge regret of Dalglish that he backed Suarez to the extent he did but I would take him back as manager in a heart beat although I know this will not happen.
Oh to hear the chants of Dalglish again, when there was a real buzz in the stadium when he was manager, but whatever happens he will always be the top man in my eyes and most other fans of our wonderful club.
10 Apr 2015 20:36:42
if Kenny is our manager today and he can get Suarez back, he wouldn't think twice and take him, so will the sponsors, so will 99.9 percent of fans and the .01 perc who say they wouldn't are just too proud to admit it.
{Ed002's Note - You truly have no idea do you?}
10 Apr 2015 21:04:11
No one has ever done as much for Liverpool as Dalglish.
Our greatest ever player, trophy winning manager in both spells, 1 when still player manager and possibly most important of all how he did and still does conduct himself with the Hillsborough families.
How he has not been knighted is a disgrace and much as I liked Suarez for his football abilities he could not lace Dalglish's boots
10 Apr 2015 21:17:26
Love King Kenny. Love Luis Suarez. Don't give a flying duck what anyone says they both were incredible footballers end of argument. YNWA lads, they never put anything less than 110% in when playing for Liverpool Football Club. Which is more than I can say about another load of players that wore my clubs shirt !! Long Live the King. I just can't get enough.
10 Apr 2015 21:43:40
Ed2 I totally understand that Suarez cost Kenny his job, was that the only reason though, or was it for for finishing 8th as well or do you believe the owners would of given him a part of the next season to turn the league form around?
{Ed002's Note - It is moot as by the evening December 21, 2011 the writing was on the wall.}
11 Apr 2015 00:21:32
Ed when you say 'you truly have no idea do you?' I understand it is rhetorical but most of us actually don't have an idea. All we really hear is 'The sponsors are upset because of Suarez' or 'Evra and Man Utd players say he was racially abused, Liverpool players and Suarez say it was a misunderstanding' and we know which side Liverpool fans are more likely to believe, however naive.
If and when Suarez threatened the club with legal action the only way the fans hear about it is through this websites or media reports, whereas I assume (may not be true) you have the ability to speak to people much closer to the truth. I mean in your post you say there were financial implications and despairing owners? How are we meant to know either of these things really, I don't know what to believe in the media about finances (I have a degree in finance and economics and worked in the field and I still can't wrap my head around some of the numbers the newspapers chuck about) and the eds don't like discussing money.
All the fans really know about Suarez is he likes to bite people, got banned for racial abuse and tried to leave for Arsenal but stayed and put a round object in the back of a net quite a lot of times instead of leaving. Unfortunately in football today the latter seems to cause memory loss. This is not to say I support Suarez, but I wouldn't know anything about the situation behind the scenes if I had not read it on here from you ed002 or that I have forgotten what Kenny Dalglish has done for this club, few men have done more campaigning for the 96 and helping the families. Fewer still have contributed to Liverpools history and image the way he did.
11 Apr 2015 12:09:40
Fanobib, i would wager that more than 0.1 percent of fans have memories that extend further than the football pitch. I have no love of suarez even when he nearly helped the team win the prem.
If he worked for me it would have been him to get the chop instead of kenny and the reputation and subsequent financial penalties would not have been incured by the club. Ok so we may not have gotten as much for him as when we eventually sold him, but as witnessed this season that money has been pissed up a wall anyway.
Is he a good player, yes, would i want him back, hell no.