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27 Apr 2015 10:08:02
I am no fan of the British media but Rodgers comes out with nonsense and it's not picked up apon.
Van gal was heavily criticised for his spending earlier in season and performances. Rodgers spent similar and we were EmbarrasIng and have been poor all year yet absolutely nothing questioning the man's spending. Very frustrating.

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27 Apr 2015 10:23:50
He does need to keep his mouth shut but transfers as I understand are a collective issue and we need to overhaul that dept imo . Rogers is a good coach but maybe we need to look at the dof option , if he does not think he can work with that formula Well then that's a bridge we can cross then but I think stick with him another season but I can understand why people want him gone ,

27 Apr 2015 10:44:18
I agree that Rogers could and should say less but saying "Rogers spent similar. " is more than a little misleading.
Here are the facts:

ManUre's net spend in 2014 was £125.5 (£60.1M in 2013) whereas ours was £39M in 2014 (£23M in 2013). Same?

{Ed002's Note - The difference is that they can afford it and are not breaching FFP - whereas Liverpool suffers complete financial mismanagement and has a manager who in both years pissed the money up the wall. This is again why we try and avoid discussing finances - most of you simply don't get it.}

27 Apr 2015 11:03:49
It's probably because he is British. You also see the same media fawning over Harry Redknapp and Tim Sherwood, and in the not so distant past, Martin O'Neil and Paul Lambert.

27 Apr 2015 11:06:28
SF you cannot be serious with net spend.
United pull in huge revenues and have huge sponsorship deals.
Whether it is nET spend or not Rodgers spent 250 million. It doesn't matter if it's not spend or not he still has spent 250 million. I think you are missing the point.

27 Apr 2015 11:17:33
Doesn't matter what we spent net, we spent the gross amount( over 200 mil in 3 years) the players we have aren't bad but what's the point in buying them If a) we already had cover in most of the positions we bought b)Rodgers then plays them out of position the few chances they're given. Now we have shed loads of players out on loan or in reserves that are worth sweet FA. We'll take losses on all of them just to raise enough cash to buy one first team player.

27 Apr 2015 11:37:22
Big Al

would agree

Fact is United can afford their spending, we can't afford ours.

27 Apr 2015 11:39:57
Does Rodgers have complete control over transfers then?
If he does then does that not show FSG up as incompetent as well?
They signed him up?
They even decided against a DOF because they wanted him so badly.
And on top of that they have given him millions to "piss up the wall"
Is that not a case of the blind leading the blind then?
Because the theme is that Rodgers has pissed money away.
And whether you agree with that theme or not, do FSG not deserve criticism for giving Rodgers, who everyone including FSG knew at the time was a rookie manager, all that money in the first place?
Without putting in place a sound structure of scrutinizing every transfer decision?
They wanted a young manager with a vision for the future of the club.
They chose Rodgers, but it now looks like after choosing him they said "here is a load of money" get on with it.
That is unbelievable naivety on their part in my view.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't accuse the manager of "pissing 250 million against a wall" without asking the question "why did FSG allow a rookie manager to piss 250 million against a wall"?
Just to add.
I don't think we have totally "pissed" that money away.
Sahko,Coutinho,Mignolet,Sturridge,Moreno,Markovic and Lallana are all good buys in my opinion.
Maybe even Lovren will come good so it's not all doom and gloom but if there is criticism to be levelled at the manager then there has to be a certain level of scrutiny of the people above the manager as well?

{Ed002's Note - FSG will be well aware that they have made mistakes appointing certain personnel, Rodgers, Comolli, Dalglish, Jen Chang etc. but are far from culpable in terms of transfers - they have added to transfer committee to help Rodgers out and I have explained I think needs to be done to start straightening things out. The players Rodgers has purchased have not given any on field success at all. Whist your anal defence of Rodgers is admirable it is becoming tedious as you are now trolling posts. Rodgers needs to go if Liverpool want any sustained success.}

27 Apr 2015 12:42:11
How am I trolling posts ed?. I reply to posts.
If that is trolling then I am guilty as charged.
I am off work today and bored.
I thought that a great way to spend a bit of free time was to come onto this site.
I am not defending Rodgers either.
Well I am to a point.
My position is clear.
In my opinion Rodgers has not been a complete disaster as you and many others on here claim that he has been.
I don't think that is an unreasonable position to have.
If Klopp is attainable then I would go and get him now.
There is, however, part of me that feels like even accepting his mistakes that Rodgers does deserve another season.
I don't think that it is unreasonable to be torn between this season and last season in terms of Rodgers.
Maybe that is looking through rose tinted glasses, who knows.
In terms of winning things I would agree with your assessment that he has failed but I would also argue that finishing 2nd last year was meeting the target of qualifying for the champions league.
That is a success is it not? If you meet the target set out?
I don't really know why you are having a go at me to be honest.
All I am doing is taking part in the debate.
That is what this site is about.
I reply to everyone's posts.
I am a frequent poster, Is that not what you want?
I really object to you calling me a troll or accusing me of trolling posters because the connotations behind that word are very unpleasant.
I am not a bully or a troll and I think you have overstepped the mark on that ed.
But I won't return the favour.
I won't rise to your bait.
My only crime is not agreeing with you.
All I am doing is giving my opinion just like everyone else on here does.
If you don't want me to give my opinion then you can just tell me.
I would rather that than you trying to imply that I am some sort of bully.
That is bang out of order.

{Ed002's Note - You can give as many answers as you want but going from post to post extolling the virtues of Rodgers is simply trolling.}

27 Apr 2015 12:49:40
I think that while there have been some poor signings, every club has them and we've had some great ones too.

My biggest problem with Rogers isn't so much the players he's signed but his failure to buy for the positions we really needed meaning players often being played out of position (eg. Markovic, Llalana, Can) and making it even harder to adjust and play their natural game.

I also think his formations and selection choices have been inconsistent, which hasn't helped anyone settle. The new signings have often been hooked at the expense of Gerard, Allen, GJ etc. who have had poor seasons, undermining confidence (especially Llalana/Markovic).

I genuinely think Lovren, Llalana, Can, Balo, Markovic, Moreno all had more to give than we managed to get out of them this year largely because of how they were played.

27 Apr 2015 13:29:33
Great points zimbo.
There is players there that can excel under another manager

27 Apr 2015 13:43:07
The difference between our spening and Uniteds was that they were hand 250 mill on a plate. We had to sell our best player and still did not have that sort of money to spend.
Maybe just as well as it may have been wasted but don´t forget all these players we are saying were bad buys last summer looked good before they joined LFC.

27 Apr 2015 13:30:24
Rodgers will soon need to learn some anal defence too ed002. Or maybe nows the right time?

27 Apr 2015 13:33:12
What I would really like is an apology for your implication.
I don't think I have ever called you anything improper Ed.
I would appreciate you doing likewise.
If I called you something improper then you would edit it out and tell me off so I think it is only right that you apply the same standards to yourself.
Implying that I am a troll is wrong.
You know it.
I know it.

{Ed002's Note - Going from post to post adding notes that Rodgers is the best thing for Liverpool is simply trolling the site. We don't need that.}







 

 

 
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