11 May 2015 20:10:13
Just a post for banter. I know a lot of people on here are calling for Rodgers head, but are we not just being fickle and very impatient ?
Sure he is terrible in the press sometimes, he can be too pig headed at the beginning of the season with the formation he wants us to play, a few transfer disasters etc. but he's a young guy. I've heard people say on other sites they think he's one of the best young managers in Europe.
Perhaps time it what he needs, to grow as a manager. Don't forget how fergie started his Utd career and he's had some shocking transfer blunders (veron, letting pogba go for nothing etc).
I think we maybe being a bit hasty here. At the end of last season I thought our most important signing was to get Rodgers into a new contract
The guy certainly can develop players and I personally just think he needs time and to be given a bit of slack.
11 May 2015 20:18:21
3 years in todays game is not impatient Tom. its a lifetime
11 May 2015 20:29:50
A lifetime for those who want everything now without looking at the bigger picture Steph.
Red Rum
11 May 2015 20:35:45
Rodgers has made us finish as high as a guy who broke the La Liga strong hold of Barca and Real Madrid (Benitez) and as high as a very experienced French manager (Houllier).
We had over achieved last season when many hoped at the start of the season for a 4th place finish we got 2nd and this time around we've seemingly got 5th place in an extremely competitive league where money isn't our endless resource.
It's really painful in a footballing sense and frustrating but with the lack of goals this season it was an on going struggle. Rodgers seemingly fixed the rot with a formation change but I think it was always catch up between us and Man United for 4th.
If Rodgers stays then I say be supportive and as a collective support the club, if he goes we will have to be patient with whoever the new manager is when/if they come in. So either way I'll be understanding.
11 May 2015 20:44:01
I would only boot BR for not having the aura to attract big name players.
This is what Liverpool needs, a commanding figure and Rodgers still has a long way to prove this. In case Klopp was even thinking a little bit to come to us we should go all in for him. Other than that I would probably go for Rafa. The third choice is BR as there is no other manager available who I see taking us forward.
All of you who want him gone please suggest another coach who will take us forward.
11 May 2015 20:44:16
I do hear you mate, I'm as frustrated by this season as every other fan but sometimes wonder if we are expecting too much too soon.
It took fergue to his 7th season at Utd to win the league. 1st season they were 11th, then 2nd, then 11th again, then 13th, then 6th, then 2nd and then 1st. In the third season he was very nearly sacked for underperformance after finishing 2nd the season before . Sound familiar ??
He also chucked money at players to get back to the top with a few misses along the way.
Hate to use fergie as some kind of inspiration as I hate the guy, but u can't doubt what he achieved when given time and support from the club (albeit it nearly sacked once)
I do think we need stability at the club and another change of manager would be a step backwards.
11 May 2015 20:50:17
I would agree with you Red-Rum if there if there was an improvement over the course of 3 years. I simply do not see any
11 May 2015 20:54:07
3 years.
year one - had to completely change the way the team played and get rid of a lot of duds.
year two - give us the ride of our lives and went within a whisker of doing the impossible, in style.
year three - had to rethink the whole thing after a poor start and loss of a 50 odd goal partnership. Will finished where most independant observers would have expected us to.
Do people think we should win just because we are Lfc, we don`t have the quality of players the top 4 have, and last year when we had, we nearly won it ?
11 May 2015 20:53:28
Personally i don't care what Rodgers comes out with in his press conference and neither did any other poster until ed002 highlighted his "foot in mouth syndrome" and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. that's their choice I guess. I do think that what his team does on the pitch is another different matter. We should have been in the top 4 this season at the expense of Utd. For that there is no excuse. Suarez was sold, he spent the cash and cocked it up. He has to go, but who takes over? I honestly can't suggest one manager that it is possible for Liverpool to get that will make the difference. That is FSG's job and their advisors. They only need to get one thing right and the rest falls into place.
11 May 2015 21:01:59
No red rum we can all see the big picture mate in three seasons we have not had one full good season we have had two part seasons were played well then blew it and his signings have been poor to say the least Lambert to play in a side that's counter attacking team just never made sense Allen Borini Baloteli my word they are just not good enough to wear LFC shit and am afraid Rogers no good enough to manage LFC he is no fergie and that's a fact
11 May 2015 21:05:56
Fergie got very lucky with the crop of you he had scholes gigs becks ect from the youth team
Ibe sterling sinclair flanno I see some resembles
11 May 2015 21:06:08
Begball makes a fair point, I just hope a decision is made early in the summer so we can plan for the new season.
11 May 2015 21:03:20
What do u think ed1 mate please if your about. I know you've been a big advocate for getting shot
I think if given time and it pays off we will have a great manager for many years. Wouldn't go as far as saying for life as I know of his desire to go to Spain at some point
{Ed001's Note - he has taken the club backwards, why give him more time? So he can completely destroy it? He is not and never will be a manager, he is out of his depth, completely and utterly out of his depth. He has had 3 years and has shown no progress whatsoever. He is not strong enough, not smart enough and is too indecisive. When everyone can see a way of playing is failing miserably, he insists on persisting with it for far too long. He is too busy spouting meaningless mumbo jumbo to boost the player's confidence, instead of actually analysing the performance properly. It is all very well being positive, but if you are so busy being positive you aren't spotting the negatives then those negatives will persist and get worse. He doesn't spot the negatives until after everyone else is screaming about them, that is not good enough. A manager should spot them before they become a problem and work on negating them before the opposition can target them. Instead we have a man who just carries on with the same thing week after week, long after it has become ineffective.}
11 May 2015 21:35:42
The only one I see being fickle (i.e. statements/opinions that change frequently) is Rodgers who before the season started said he expected us to challenge for the title, in January said we were never going to challenge for the title but were going to fight for top 4 and then a few weeks back said we were never expected to get top 4.
Granted what managers say to the press is generally pointless drivel, but it's harsh to call fans fickle when the manager changes his tune constantly based upon circumstances. As for impatient, 3 years seems plenty of time to have an informed opinion.
11 May 2015 23:34:19
We are not fickle nor negative. Many of us just refuse to buy his BS and media Mumbai jumbo as theEd put it in the media. I don't care what I am told. Why? because I have my own eyes to see what is going on and make dorm an opinion based on that. It's called the Eye Test in American sports. If what you are saying does not mesh with what I am seeing, then you have failed the Eye Test. BR does not pass that test because he talks a whole lot of rubbish and drivel in the media about how nothing is ever his fault, Suarez left and Studge was injured (like he did not know these events would happen), buys a whole bunch of players we don't need and plays them out of position and complains they are not good enuff. Then he trashes the owners for not providing cash for star players yet he doesn't or can't buy them when they provide said cash. Utter Rubbish! He's had three years and still nothing but deflection and buck passing with no trophies and 215m wasted. How long do you want him to get as the Ed asked? Till we go broke or into administration? He has failed and needs to go. If I had another three years and 80m to give a manager next season, it should certainly NOT be given to this guy.
11 May 2015 22:39:56
Thanks Ed, of course I respect your opinion and hope you only see this as a healthy debate .
But I come back to my point about him being an inexperienced manager but a good coach. I thought we progressed remarkably well last season when we finished 2nd. Yes we were terrible defensively but we were something else going forwards , so exciting to watch. A big step forward from the previous 3 / 4 seasons.
We certainly have gone backwards this season but a lot of that has got to do with Suarez leaving and Sturridge being injured. Without a doubt he blew the money we had to spend in the short term (I say short term as I have hope for Lallana & markovic in the longer term). But how much of that was entirely his fault ?
Would he not learn from these mistakes and mature as a manager because of it ?
I can honesty see both sides of the argument but come back to a very good point made earlier by someone else . Who else could we get that would be an improvement ?? Sorry but I certainly don't agree with Benitez being our saviour !
{Ed001's Note - the manager had money to spend and chose to waste it, so there can be no excuses regarding no Studger and Suarez. He chose to scrap the deal for Remy, dithered on Bony and other players, and then tried to force Borini out of the club when he wanted to fight for his place. He was the one that was so desperate for Origi, even though he knew any deal would be contingent on him staying on loan this season. Sorry but the Suarez and Sturridge stuff is an excuse for his ineptitude in the market. When you spend over £100m in one window and you still can't sort the team out, then you should be sacked.
What sign has he shown that he is learning anything? Everything I see shows that he is making more mistakes, that he is getting worse rather than better.
An improvement would be any manager who does not waste money on a huge amount of players when we only needed 3 or 4. A manager who targets players for the positions we have gaps in, rather than signing players for the positions we were already overloaded in. Any manager who can't find a centre back pairing from 10 centre backs that works, to the point where you end up putting in a midfielder has a problem. A manager that sends out a right back on loan, flogs another one on the cheap and has to then sign a far worse one on loan for a significant fee has no sense whatsoever. And don't get me started on alienating players that want to play for us, while persisting in making inane idiotic comments about a lazy useless player that he then keeps throwing on the pitch with no plan about how to use him.
Sorry but Rodgers has shown no tactical awareness, no sense of any kind of forward planning, no ability to manage the staff at his disposal and no sign of learning from his innumerable mistakes. It is time to look elsewhere, to someone who can actually formulate a plan and act on it, but with the sense to know when it is time to change it, rather than persisting well after it is obvious that other teams have worked it out.}
12 May 2015 04:14:52
Im not that great at articulating what i think, but Edd, you must have been in my brain because your last 2 posts are truly spot on!
This buy is taking our club no where. There would have to be atleast 10 times in the last 3 years where he has said something stupid where he shouls have been sacked on the spot! All the supposed dead wood players that were at the club when he took over have been replaced with worse dead wood ten fold. When he first took over, he stated that he should only be judged on his team when he brings in HIS OWN PLAYERS. Well. Be judged you are now buddy. The tipping point has been and gone. Get rid!
12 May 2015 07:20:44
I don't think we've gone backwards in 3 years. We've improved without doubt.
{Ed001's Note - in what way? Do we have a better squad with more balance? If so why are so many players having to play out of position each week? Are we playing better football? If so why are we so woefully poor in almost every game this season, at times it is like we have Hodgson back in charge some of the dross being served. Are we going to win any trophies? In what way have we improved? Other than in keeping Sly in soundbites from the manager....}
12 May 2015 08:15:35
But no one was saying any of this at the end of last season, that's what I mean by being fickle
I still come back to, yes I agree he has flaws, but who is available that is any better ? The only guy I would want is klopp
I just don't want another season of 'transition'. I believe Rodgers should get one more season. I believe him when he said that this season will make him a better manager
12 May 2015 08:44:42
I hope FSG have picked up on the same things you have said Ed001.
12 May 2015 18:36:17
Those referring to last season (or at least the 2nd half of it) as to why we should keep BR is the very reason people at other clubs belittle us and our club as constantly living in the past in order to justify today`s acceptance of failure and mediocrity. BR is a failure and needs to go.