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14 May 2015 11:37:04
Hey guys. I'm not part of the BR out crowd. I do understand why most of you are disappointed in him: his press conferences, odd tactics at times, his failures in the market last summer etc. But a lot of our problems go beyond one man. We have systemic problems as a club: youth policy, being forced out of the top 4 by four clubs who are simply more powerful than us at the moment both on and off of the field.

A few years ago we were about on par/a bit below Spurs, they would steal our targets and generally had the jump on us. We are above them now but in terms of quality our squad is definitely inferior to the top 4 clubs. BR said 5th is a fair reflection of where the club is and everyone went crazy;I think he has a point.

Also as a club we can't look to a messiah: Klopp wouldn't suddenly make our squad Champions League winners again. Likewise a DOF wouldn't magically make us title challengers again.

It hurts to be realistic, to admit that the team is 5th and deservedly so. That elite clubs will get elite players and that many footballers simply aren't interested in us.

It is not all bad news though. A solid striker like Bony would have had us in the top 4 this season. Instead the club decided to take a chance on Balotelli against the manager's wishes(a most fatal error). And if we strengthen well in the summer with a solid DM and competent ST, we would be good enough for the top 4 of this season. The only thing is that our rivals will also strengthen so we might not be good enough for next season's top 4.

We may have to wait for another top 4 club to hit crisis before we're up there again. I just hope the club doesn't panic, make rash decisions and set us back even further. We need to at least stay in the conversation until we get our opportunity again. Chin up guys.

{Ed001's Note - Rodgers is the reason our squad is only good enough for 5th though! We spent huge sums in the summer yet went backwards. Why do people use this as a defence for us dropping out of the top 4 when it was the manager's ineptitude that caused it??? It is like you can't see the wood for the trees because you can see the problems but find anyone else but the man in charge to blame.}

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14 May 2015 11:45:08
Ed001 do you disagree that this season would have been much better if the manager got the striker he wanted(Bony''verified by The Echo and Macca) rather than the cancer that is Mario Balotelli?

{Ed001's Note - sorry but Macca was wrong, Bony was not the striker Rodgers wanted, the club had a price agreed with Swansea but he chose to dither. Swansea signed Gomis as his replacement, believing a deal was done with Liverpool. The deal never went through, no matter how much spin Rodgers is putting out, because he didn't ok it. He also blocked the Remy deal after a medical had been done. People are so fond of making excuses for Rodgers! He failed. He is at fault. If he isn't even going to admit to his own mistakes, how on earth is he meant to learn from them?}

14 May 2015 12:22:23
I'm sorry but with the squad we have, and the standard the top 4 has been this year, we should have walked into the top 4.

What's the excuse for Rodgers constantly playing players out of position? Playing Sterling as a striker, when we have plenty of youth knocking on the door in that position?

Rodgers doesn't have any forward planning, everyone knows Balotelli can't play up top alone. So where's our backup plan for Sturridge being injured? It can't be Balotelli, as he doesn't suit the role of a lone striker.

Personally, I can't wait until we're rid of him.

14 May 2015 12:23:30
Ed

Do you have to mention wood and trees!!

You'll be getting danred4ever all excited again lol

{Ed001's Note - ooops sorry!}

14 May 2015 12:25:27
Hmmm, Remy & Bony instead of Balotelli and Lambert.

I know which pair I would prefer.

I admire Kizz for his loyalty but there's just too much weight of evidence against BR. He's made this bed, by and large, and the other reasons for failure (and not in top 4 at least always has been and always will be failure in my book) are mere sideshows when compared to the BR effect.

I'm afraid my eyes are now open in that he flatters to deceive. He may be a good coach, but he thinks he's a good manager and he isn't.

14 May 2015 12:31:17
Two things. First, I don't think people should be allowed to call people here cancer sorry. Mario was extremely dissapointing, still not a reason to call him that. I don;t think he distrypted the dressing room in any way just did not perform on the pitch.

Re BR - here is one issue I have with him, one of many. Beyond poor signings, beyond defence issues (which he atucally stablised this year), beyond press conferences which I don't care about. Let's take the area that is considered his best - our forward game. I am sorry but from the first game to our last without excption, our forward game this year was nothing but improvisation. When a palyer got the ball neither him nor any of our other players had the slightest clue what is going to happen 9though dribbling to death was a good guess usually), not where they should wait for a pass or cross, not where a rebound may fall, nothing. Always improvised chaos. It was very clear last week against Chelsea where we had good poesession, got the ball a lot in the last third but nothing ever happened, it was always the same dribbling to death or a pass to the box when there is no one miles near the pointit landed. Now fair enough we have some good improvisors so we do score an occasional goal against inferior teams, but we don't have Suarez or messi so we do need some planning. OK be creative but some idea of who is going where, what to do with the ball after the dribble. No. We always looked lost in the last third. I always used to ask myself in games what do these guys do in training that they always look so lost in the last third? And this, mind you, is where BR was conisdered a magician. no improvement in one inch all season.

{Ed001's Note - why shouldn't people be called a cancer? It is a word with meanings over than just being used to describe a disease. Silly to drop the use of a word because people are too precious to cope with it being used. Balotelli suits its meaning to a tee.}

14 May 2015 12:40:07
I believe that BR must go this summer. If he stays another year making the same mistakes, we could struggle to get back into the top four for a while longer. Look at the mistakes he made by not signing Remy and Bony There are no excuses for that. Both those players would have strengthened our team and squad. When you add the embarrassing comments he regularly makes, it doesn't look good for him. He may be a good coach but will never be a good manager until he accepts his mistakes and learns from them.

14 May 2015 12:43:29
I do understand your point ED01, and often agree with you. I personally think Rodgers has made some errors. well quite a few but would you say then that if we had Klopp for example we would likely make top four next season?
I know its: 1 not going to happen and 2 a complete shot in the dark question, but i do feel while Rodgers has made mistakes and you may say he's made too many and concequently we are more than a year away from making top 4. that no matter who we got that we are probably more than a years/2 away from breaking into top four

{Ed001's Note - if we had Klopp we would have easily made the top 4 this season. Every team in the Prem has done their best to throw it away, allowing Chelsea to stroll away with the title at a canter. If we had a half decent manager we would be top 4, a top class manager like Klopp would have made us title challengers. Sorry but anyone who thinks we wouldn't have made top four with a decent manager is deluded by the crap coming out of Rodgers mouth on a far too regular basis. The only reason we failed to make top four is because of him. He is the failure.}

14 May 2015 12:54:55
I would like to forget that now thanks LAVERS if you don't mind. You think the police would have been a bit more understanding not to mention the wife. One old lady gets a fright and there's hell to pay, not my fault she was out looking for wild nuts!!

14 May 2015 12:57:44
Agreed Ed001. Everything that has gone wrong this season has been down to BR. If we had a decent manager, as you say, we definitely would be challenging for the title. Look at United for example. Probably a worse team than under Moyes but as the league is so bad they got top four. It is embarrassing that we didn't make top four when it was easily achievable.

14 May 2015 13:18:46
Dan, have you thought about getting treetment for your condition?

I wood if I were you, its knot nice.

If traditional therapies don't work, think about branching out into alternative medicines to try to get to the root of your problem.

Don't be scared by the doctors, their bark is often worse than their bite.

Better to seek treetment than behave like a sap.

;-)

14 May 2015 13:56:42
Thanks Ed for making it clear to the BR apologists that HE was the one who messed up the Bony and Remy deals even tho, he keeps saying Balo was not his choice. We all know the truth now. He is the failure and he must go. His blunders have been outlined here by the Eds and many other fans YET his apologists give no logical arguments to prove the facts wrong and use their opinions to dispute them which makes no sense. The apologists who keep making excuses for him are comparable to substance abuse enablers who make excuses for the abusers yet cannot fathom why they cannot stop their addiction. What they are addicted to with BR is beyond comprehension, tho.

14 May 2015 14:12:58
ED, it's clear your thoughts on Rodgers and hard to disagree. With your contacts in and around the club how are his team viewed? Do the players and those above respect Pascoe and Marsh? Are they seen as one bumbling package or it's simply Rodgers is the sole problem?
I get only Rodgers speaks to press and signs the players, but if his comments are not viewed as, as embarrassing as we see them (John Henry makes plenty himself). Then it's results, but as we say these players are not terrible. Can Rodgers deflect this towards his coaching staff as he never taks blame.

{Ed001's Note - Pascoe is very much a package with Rodgers, Marsh was promoted from the youth academy. Marsh is just seen by some as a token scouser, Pascoe and Rodgers have lost the faith of a number of players, it is just that the number is increasing by the week. It is becoming a worry. A lot of the fallings out in the past were just standard and could be quickly mended and no harm done. The way Gerrard has been treated has been a particular issue, the handling of him was little short of bizarre and Lucas is another one that has been mishandled. Sending Sterling on holiday has also created issues. If we weren't a big club, so that the players, to a large degree, have come here with aspirations, then I think we would be in a far worse state. It is the fact these players are trying for the sake of the club, rather than anything the management team are doing, that seems to have kept us in contention for so long.}

14 May 2015 14:14:20
Ed001- I am 100% in agreement. BR is the reason we did not make top 4. In my opinion the biggest transfer LFC will do this year will be whether BR is given another year. It seems to me that FSG has not shown their hand yet. Let's hope they get the right advice but also that a good replacement is found.

14 May 2015 14:20:34
Ed01

Thanks for clearing up that it was Rodgers who turned down Remy and Bony. God knows what position for would be in if they were our options, instead of Balotelli and Lambert.

If Rodgers does get the sack (I really hope so) would you see De Boer as a possibility? I love the fact that he integrates academy players into his sides, which I think would work wonders with the academy players we have. Also, if he was to bring his backroom staff along. He doesn't half have a brilliant list of names working with him.

{Ed001's Note - it was a case of either Remy or Bony, by the way, Lambert would have been signed too. It is a case of either Remy or Bony instead of Balotelli.

De Boer was certainly someone FSG tried to get before settling for Rodgers, so it certainly could be a possibility.}

14 May 2015 14:33:40
Can we just not get rid of him

14 may 2015 14:34:59
thanks for that zeddicus, the wife wants me to leaf her alone for a while, so i'm packing all of my stuff into the trunk. hopefully she won't twig where i'm off to.

14 May 2015 15:35:17
Thanks Ed. Really insightful. I get that players publicly support the manager because they're alomst duty bound. I just don't get why they volunteer this, silence speaks volumes sometimes. Well I hope the things you've spotted or have been made aware of are also that obvious to FSG.

Do you have a wishlist of replacements should he go? I guess the obvious is Klopp or Ancelotti, but more realistically have you seen someone outside the usual names in Holland, Spain, championship or ex player that could be a shrewd move or is it time for proven experience. Are there any current International managers that would go back to club management maybe?

14 May 2015 15:35:17
Thanks Ed. Really insightful. I get that players publicly support the manager because they're alomst duty bound. I just don't get why they volunteer this, silence speaks volumes sometimes. Well I hope the things you've spotted or have been made aware of are also that obvious to FSG.

Do you have a wishlist of replacements should he go? I guess the obvious is Klopp or Ancelotti, but more realistically have you seen someone outside the usual names in Holland, Spain, championship or ex player that could be a shrewd move or is it time for proven experience. Are there any current International managers that would go back to club management maybe?

{Ed001's Note - my wishlist is Klopp or Bielsa. Realistically it would have to be possibly Unai Emery, if he can be considered realistic as Sevilla are European contenders.}

14 May 2015 16:31:20
ed01 please can't you be the new Liverpool advisor for fsg then we wouldn't be in this hole and if not surley u could get ed02 to have a word he/she would scare them in to listening ha!

{Ed001's Note - not sure they are listening to be honest. I spent weeks trying to get hold of Billy Hogan a while back and not one person in the commercial offices would answer the phone and messages never got returned. The club is still miles behind the rest of the Prem in so many respects.}

14 May 2015 17:28:06
So to those who continue to spew the "we won`t find someone better than BR to coach us" BS, I suggest you read the ED`s posts on the issue because there are quite a number of managers out there with more proven pedigree than BR who can coach us. The thing is to get the right manager in and that is the challenge, IMO.

14 May 2015 19:26:05
Ed001, I don't disgree with you often, in fact, I don't think I've ever disagreed with you, but calling someone "cancer" is just flat out wrong.

I know it wasn't you that directly called someone that, but agreeing with that opinion that someone is cancer is abhorrent.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but you need to learn English if you think so. It is ridiculous that the correct usage of the word cancer draws such petty whines.}

14 May 2015 23:35:07
If you have some thing that is spreading, it is called a disease and you need to stop it in its tracks. Hence if you have cancer that is clearly spreading as BR's incompetence and mistakes are affecting a large area of the club, we need to stop the spread of that "cancer" by getting kimo. What is wrong with that analogy? I suggest many get a backbone because worse things are going on in the world than semantics.







 

 

 
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