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20 May 2015 13:06:47
Hi Eds

Can you please quickly elaborate on how exactly Rodgers mishandled Gerrard? I read through old posts but didn't find too much about it.

{Ed002's Note - I have no interest in gossip. Try the nationalenquirer.com}

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20 May 2015 13:57:26
This comes from the 'BR is to be blamed for all the wrong in the world' campaign. As I said here many times, I think BR should go, I think his signings were very poor, the team looked awful in many games and we just don't show up to big game with him and I cannot see us doing any better than 6-7 next year, at best. However I never thought or argued he is to be blamed for all our troules. I thought he handled the Gerrad situation relatively well, I am not sure he could have done anything different, this was always going to be a very hot potato to handle. I also don't think he could have done much different with Sterling. And I also couldn't care less about his media conferences. I don't find Morinhou's or Ferguson at the time press conferences better.

20 May 2015 15:50:11
Gerrard was offered a new contract with less playing time, and rejected it!

Mourinho says he tried to get him whilst at Madrid so wouldn't there be a chance if him.and Brendan didn't get on that he might of left then. He wouldn't leave Liverpool over a manager, he just does not want to not be the main man, which is fine and it was sensible to either ease him out in the team or let him go and hopefully win a bloody league title.

Not everything os down to Brendan!

#bestofluckgerrard

20 May 2015 18:54:05
Maybe there's more behind the scenes, or something with how the contract was timed and communicated to him, but trying to play him every game at nearly 35, and out of position to boot, is something I'd consider mismanagement.

Funnily enough, despite BR's statement that he had plans from the start of the season to reduce Gerrard's play time, Gerrard started practically every game early in the season and the contract offer with the associated suggestion of less game time only became public around October, when it was clear Gerrard was struggling. Also interesting, Gerrard's supposed replacement in midfield, Emre Can, only started two or three games in midfield, not nearly enough for an heir apparent. And actually, how many games has Gerrard failed to start this season when he's been fit and available? 6? I'd be surprised if it's many more than that. Hardly excessive rotation or resting is it? So I honestly don't believe Rodgers when he says he always had plans to use Gerrard less. I think the idea of less games could well have just been dropped on Gerrard suddenly during the contract negotiations when he wasn't performing as a DM early in the season.

One wonders if we'd gradually started to manage Gerrard's play time over the last couple of seasons and played him in attacking role instead of shoehorning him into DM (as much he might have enjoyed the position himself at times), would things be different.

20 May 2015 20:57:23
You saw how Gerrard played against palace in attacking mid, he could no way have sustained that throughout a season and maybe not even for 45 minutes per game. Brendan didn't change his position to do his head in he tried to find a way to get him in the team more often, and to prolong his playing days. So it was good management.

Its just teams worked it out and man marked him in the qb position and he could be a dm mid without his passing so that change stopped working! And when people say his legs went they really have no matter hps you put it, he was never agile like coutinho (like coutinho will play like he does until he dies, even at 50 he will still rip it up in the over 50s leagues) Gerrard was a completely different kettle of fish, he was fast in a line rather that a swivel, so when he lost that uard he could adapt to other positions, because he didn't have the movement for it and before someone goes and mentions Lucas, Lucas can read a game and therefore doesn't need pace, Gerrard cannot read a defensive game so without pace he couldn't do it!

{Ed001's Note - it is only good management if he was changing it to suit Gerrard's strengths as a player, which he wasn't. So what it was is taking the coward's way out of just putting him in somewhere rather than telling him outright he didn't think he was capable of 90min there every week.}

20 May 2015 21:55:14
Thing is Mourinho and Fergie can say what they like, they've won everything there is. Brenden has a cv listing utter failure everywhere and any sucess has been on the coat tails of others. So when he talks himself up its just embarrassing.

You know something, you and me, we've won as many trophies as Rodgers. How do you get to manage one of the best known, successful clubs in Europe with zero in the trophy cabinet?

20 May 2015 22:02:52
Why did he put him at the base of the diamond then?

Not aggressive eds just I thought he did it because he believed with getrards passing range he would really be able to make good use of it in the qb position! Did he just put him there and get lucky that Gerrard played well there?

21 May 2015 00:30:08
You become a snake oil salesman and a smooth talker that can dupe people like BR did with the owners.

21 May 2015 00:13:17
Sorry eds. Did Brendan just get lucky that stevie shone at the base of the diamond?

I thought he was put there because his passing range is a real Strength for him and Brendan thought he would be able to use it.fully at the base of the diamond, and hopefully prolong his playing days with us.

But thankfully I don't work on this website because I was well off.

Lucky Brendan strikes again!

{Ed001's Note - lucky? Gerrard was awful there, that is why our defence was a shambles. How was that lucky? If he had put a true DM there and allowed Gerrard's passing range to be used without leaving the defence open, similar to the way Jose uses Matic and Fabregas, then we would have won the league last season. No idea what you think you saw, but you clearly didn't see what was actually happening as the defence were destroyed time and time again mainly because the midfield gave them no protection. Even Rodgers realised that, hence why he has never returned to the system we played.}

21 May 2015 09:22:22
Anyone suggesting Gerrard was poor last season are talking out of their backside.

He's not a DM but in that position he dictated the entire tempo of our game and we managed to utilise the strengths of Hendo & Coutinho for the pressing game alongside him.

Yes, defensively we were poor, that's why we were winning games 3-2, 4-3 etc, but to suggest Gerrard was a reason for us not winning the title last season (slip aside), is utter tripe.

This season, got found out, got pressed, game over. End of Gerrard in the deep lying playmaker role.

{Ed001's Note - he got found out last season, hence the slip, as Rodgers failed to notice it. Gerrard was poor, as his role was to protect the back four as well as dictating play, he failed to provide any protection, hence poor. Anyone who suggests otherwise is talking out of their backside and has no understanding that the game is about balance. But then you hadn't even spotted that teams were pressing him towards the end of the season, so I wouldn't expect you to notice that he was poor.}

21 May 2015 11:01:45
Ed01 - utter utter rubbish.

Gerrard was played in that position last season to dicate the tempo of our play and to utilise his range of passing to the dynamic front players we had.

Yes, playing in that area of the field will naturally lend itself to the defensive duties of the role, and we ALL know Gerrard has never been and will never be a true defensive midfielder.

Rodgers sacrificed the defensive side of that role to get our best player on the ball as often as possible. Gerrard was excellent playing the role he was asked to perform, whether it fulfils the true nature of the DM position or not, in the role he was asked to perform, he was excellent. To suggest otherwise is an unfair criticism of the player. The criticism, if any, lies at the managers feet for playing a player he knew full well could not perform the defensive side of the game in that area of the pitch.

Replace Gerrard with Lucas, who is our best and probably only true defensive midfielder last season, and you get the exact opposite scenario. The defensive side of the game solid, but the game dictatorship lost.

It's not suprising that last season Gerrard was likened to Pirlo on many occasions. Why? Simple, he dicated our play. Pirlo is not a true DM but dicates the play from that area of the pitch. The exact same role Gerrard was asked to perform.

{Ed001's Note - and Pirlo usually plays alongside a DM because of it, still doesn't change the fact that Gerrard was not protecting the back four, no matter how much nonsense you spout about him not being there to do so, when he was there to do so. Yes it was the manager's fault for playing him in a role he was unsuited for, but that doesn't mean he was great in it, no matter how much you wish it to be so.}

21 May 2015 12:12:02
Ed01 - Exactly, Pirlo plays alongside a DM, so how can you point the finger at Gerrard and say he was poor when it was the manager who didn't accomodate players appropriately around him? (Even that's arguable as we nearly won the title)

No way was Gerrard poor last season. Gerrard WAS great in the role he set out to play.

Anyway. Done and dusted last season. Moving on.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are so busy licking Gerrard's backside you are missing the point. Gerrard was not playing well, yes it was not his fault, but he was not playing well. It is like talking to a brick wall with you, you have to argue even when you don't understand what someone is saying. It is pointless, you can't understand, you just argue because you think you have to stick up for Gerrard. He was not great, he was meant to defend as well as attack, it doesn't matter how much you can not understand that, it is a fact. You are right though, move on as you will never understand, you never do.}

21 May 2015 16:37:47
Hi Eds,
I think the crux of this argument is that people are confused by your stance. You're obviously very anti-rodgers, vehemently so it seems, and people see that colour your reporting of current events. When you criticise last season, Liverpool's best in 24 years, you undermine the integrity of your current views in the eyes of your readers.

{Ed001's Note - I am criticising the handling of Gerrard, who was our best attacking midfielder being played out of position. I fail to see how that is undermining my integrity, I was saying it last season too. I don't like Gerrard having to defend, it does not suit his mindset. Played correctly, he could have been remembered for winning us the league last season, rather than being accused, falsely in my opinion, of losing it for us.}

21 May 2015 17:05:28
But Ed, with all due respect, many Liverpool fans (including me obviously) think you couldn't be more wrong about last season and that Rodger's tactics are what allowed us to come so close. Your current criticism of him is tainted by association to the perceived incorrect nature of your previous criticism.

When you report how Rodgers is ruining the club and has to go I dismiss it as bitterness instead of a fair and balanced reporting of the evidence you clearly have.

{Ed001's Note - I never said anything bad about the tactics, they are simply Bielsa's favoured ones and ones I agree with. My point was simply about misusing the players within those tactics. It is ok using Gerrard in central midfield, but you need to protect him to do so, which wasn't done, so we got overrun and conceded bucketloads.}

21 May 2015 20:49:12
Any one playing SG at DM should be sacked. We all know he was never a DM because he lacks the disciple, awareness and anticipation as well as defensive nous to play there YET he did and we were conceding goals for fun. Also, BR played a suicidal system of splitting the CB`s wid and allowing the DM (SG) to pick up the ball without a soul in sight as cover. Many teams saw that and pressed him and we conceded goals BUT LS and Studge were there to outscore the opponent. In the Chelsea gam, he slipped because Demba Ba was coming to press him, hence the slip. It was not and will NEVER be his fault for slipping. We had probs and we all knew what they were and BR did nothing to fix them until it was too late.







 

 

 
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