25 May 2015 15:10:23
I see Origi's been named in Lequippes worst 11. Congratulations to Ted and the owners for not failing to deliver. The lad should fit in well with the existing shower Rodgers has brought in over the last 3 years.
25 May 2015 15:20:02
Good job ozone. The lad had not played a single minute of football for us and u are already on his back!! Well done.
25 May 2015 15:49:52
I know we shouldn't really be criticising players before they've even joined, but ozone is rite.
Rodgers got carried away with world cup fever and wasted another 10mil.
If he didn't sign him last summer would he have gone back for him this summer?
Also if he did would he have cost 10mil? I think not.
Most have said Allen and borini weren't good enough and nothing has changed there.
People are entitled to there own opinion and probably 70% of the time with Rodgers signings people are rote to criticize.
25 May 2015 16:06:23
It's what he does, Truered.
25 May 2015 17:24:09
Scratch beneath the surface Redohio and you may find it's another classic moneyball signing based on Sturridge criteria. I'm not having a pop at the lad, I'm having a go at the owners and Ted.
{Ed002's Note - Don't start the "moneyball" BS again please Ozone.}
25 May 2015 19:29:02
Moneyball is an application of sabremetrics to the sport of baseball ozone.
It doesn't apply to football because the statistical data analysis equations used can only be applied to baseball data.
Saying they are using Moneyball in football is like applying wind resistance data from F1 to footbal. Impossible and irrelevant
25 May 2015 19:27:30
Ozone, money ball has been debunked so many times by the Eds that referring to it again ruins whatever point you were trying to make. Btw, BR is the one who signed him and called him world class, not the owners.
25 May 2015 19:31:29
Moneyball is just a statistical method for signing player, alongside using traditional methods. ItS meant to give you even more help when signing players.
And every clubs operates on one and Liverpool, dortmund, Milan, French clubs, athletico have to have such a successful system based on the size of them but the money avaliable to them!
The owners have developed there own method which main.functions are
Players aged 16-24
Buy at our valuations rather than the players present club
Incentive based contracts
Players who are over the age can be signed if they are the right player
I dint know whether they use statistica when signing players but the only one that came about was when sakho signed he had a 92% pass accuracy at psg [complete speculation] I don't have the info the clubs do' to actually look at the individual stats for each player km run, pass acueaxy, tackles, shots, chances created blah.blah
That's just summed up through our signings, the majority fit the bill.
It's not a cheap solution but it's what has been deemed the most sustainable (we can't have a player turnover every two windows like Chelsea as we cannot afford it)
And it is also based losely around the American draft system which is successful for its own reasons. Look into it :)
25 May 2015 20:51:31
I don't give a flying whatever you want to think about who says moneyball only applies to baseball. Jesus, it's data manipulation and it can be remodelled to suit. For the sake of splitting hairs then I won't refer to it as moneyball, I'll call it 'position specific data analysis to limit financial risk but potentially optimise returns' roughly interpreted as a 'hedge fund'. Select a recognised striker (in this instance Sturridge), obtain skill specific data then find a host of 18 year olds who come close to mirroring the comparative skill data. Go for the best comparable first (unfortunately with FSG, the closest comparable never arrives as chavs, City, arsenal, man utd and a host of other european clubs get in their first) then if that fails go down the pecking order until you get one. In this case that data analysis process has churned out Origi.
{Ed002's Note - No - Origi was a future "world class" player picked by Rodgers.}
25 May 2015 20:52:20
Problem is in reality we'll get a cross between David Ngog and Danny Welbeck on a bad day.
25 May 2015 21:24:40
Nothing personal against the lad. In fact, rather than their agents bleeding on about this and that as we've seen with Raheems agent, maybe they should be advising their clients what they're going into. Poor old Origi's arriving at Anfield with the majority of fans harbouring a preconception based on Teds gob. The poor lad doesn't realise that statistics may have portrayed a distorted picture and he's another one who will join the list of others such as Aspas, Borini, Lambert, Ballotelli, Alberto, Lallana, Ilori, Sahin, Allen, Yesil, Moreno, Markvic, Lovren. A complete team with subs in 3 years, it's a disgrace.
25 May 2015 21:02:47
Thanks for the unwanted lesson, bro! I watched the movie so I know globally what Moneyball is. What I was getting at is that the Eds have said repeatedly that Moneyball is not being used by the club but many continue to use is as a stick to beat up on the owners which is disingenuous.
25 May 2015 21:17:20
Yes I know Ed from the options put under his nose by the data analysis model and a spot check scouting regime.
{Ed001's Note - nothing to do with stats, Rodgers watched him play and decided he wanted him at all costs. The statistical analysis was never a part of it mate. Not in any way shape or form. This was a World Cup fever signing I am afraid.}
25 May 2015 23:04:57
Is hanging on to the phrase 'Moneyball' just an example of how short sighted you are Redohio or are you being churlish for the sake of it. I've given you an explanation, yet you retort with the fact you've watched a film called 'Moneyball'. Rather than demonstrating your arrogance with 'unwanted lessons and bro' remarks, digest what Maxi96 and I have posted above and you might be able to walk out your front door and see further than the end of your nose.
27 May 2015 00:33:24
Moneyball does not interest me because it does and cannot work for football as have been mentioned here by the eds countless times, hence your childish moral lectures and pointless explanation about a system that is factually baseless in footie terms, is just that, as in uninteresting. The reason you mention it is because you wanna bash the owners with it which is why you dwell on it. That is why you spout your drivel about some system based on stats which we all know, mean nothing in footie because in the end, players play, stats don't.we got LS who had terrorized the Dutch league with stats padded with goals and assists. He got here and it took him four chances to score a goal until we played a system to suit him and he improved as a player himself due to work ethic. A stat sheet will never show you that, loser. We used stats to get Downing and how did that pan out? If we had used stats, Coutinho would not be here because he couldn't even make the bench. because stat sheets don't prove your mental makeup, temprament, work ethic, ability to adapt to a new country and league, and the system you want to play to make him succeed. He was a gamble which paid off and that's my opinion, so deal with it. Stats is not how we sign players as the Eds have said yet you go on about it because you think people care about what has been debunked over and over again. The don't so stop with you BS and bashing the owners for what they are clearly not doing. Class dismissed, Chump!