25 May 2015 15:54:05
Redohio re one of your replys down the page, just a question ( not necessarily aimed at you, )when Rodgers got the job, I was disgusted and let everyone know, not just on here but at work and to friends and family. I said how can they give such an inexperienced manger the job, a man sacked by Reading and with 1 OK season at Swansea behind him taking charge of one of the biggest most iconic clubs in the world? Yet got shed loads of abuse from posters on here ( not saying you were one of them ) yet your post earlier and a couple of posts from others praising the ed's ( no offence ed's )for for warning us about giving Swiss Tony the job in the first place which was exactly what I said yet got told to go support city Chelsea etc, what I'm trying to say in my long winded way, is to all the #liverpool'sno1fan crowd on here, listen to peoples opinions and don't rubbish them as negative, take them on board and ask why a posters opinion is against the grain, maybe they have a point that may be valid and don't dismiss it as just negativity.
25 May 2015 16:54:26
I have no problem admitting that I wanted Rodgers to be "given a chance" when he was first appointed. I am sure you will remember the number of clashes we had 3 years ago on the very same issue, Waro. But over time (significant amount of time, AND money), I have come to the conclusion that Rodgers is not the man for the job. I have stress that my doubts started in the second season where while were scoring goals for fun, he seemingly had no interest look at a very serious issue - defending. Many belittled that then, but it is now a major problem everyone will agree.
Redohio was a very opinionated poster earlier this year, with sentiments similar to those of Ron Keague and DaveBootle, and I remember I clashed with him when he was denigrating posters about being critical of Rodgers. But, he is the very example of a big Rodgers fan who has become disillusioned because of Rodgers' own fault. This is not aimed at criticizing any fan, just a point to illustrate how opinions can change, but at their own time.
25 May 2015 17:42:37
My op AG, wasn't an I told you so to anyone, it was to point out that people's opinions aren't just negativity to wind people up they are just thoughts and concerns for the club.
Its like me saying I would love klopp to be next manager, but there may be posters who can give good reasons why he would be a mistake, I would disagree with them but wouldn't think they were moaning or negative just as I've said they would be there concerns, unless someone came up with something outlandish.
25 May 2015 18:27:34
Cyber jousting again.
25 May 2015 18:46:34
Ron, WHAT?😕
25 May 2015 19:18:28
Point scoring on the Internet, can't think of anything more futile.
25 May 2015 19:20:18
Waro, I get your point. I have no beef with you. When you were saying you had your doubts about BR, you are within your right to say that because your concerns are to be respected. Why I clashed with you was that win, lose or draw, all you did was criticize the manager, the owners and the LFCnumberonefan club, who ever the heck they are. That was not opinion. It seemed like a case of you and your ilk rooting for us to fail just to make you all look smart and prove a stupid point, which I could not bear. I had doubts about BR as well but I decided to give him a chance and judge him using his results which is the only way to judge a manager. Had we won the PL last season, we both, his detractors at the time, the eds who thought he was wrong for the job, would have been over the moon. That did not happen and I'm sure you were as disappointed as I was but life goes on. Also, I gave him credit for playing the way we were and getting results (didn't really care about the whole Bielsa stuff until the Ed and I had a discussion about it and I understood his point which came up to be true) because he's the manager and he picks the players and tactics, as well so he'll yeah, he should be credited for it. If we were failing like we did this year, he gets the blame, excuses or questions asked. When this season began and we were struggling., I clashed with many on here including ed01, because all they did was the "I told you so" type posts as if, him failing validates them as geniuses. I thought he would learn from his mistakes and be smart quickly. I was wrong and with every passing game and presser, I realized who we had as manager and I said, "we are in trouble with this guy". This is exactly where AG is spot on and there were many fans like me. I was not a BR no.1 fan type because that is just childish. I will always give the manager a chance because hey, what else are you going to do? If he succeeds, we all succeed. If he fails, we all fail so support him because we want our club to succeed, right?. At least give him time to prove us wrong or right. That was all I was asking for from you and those like you. After three years, we have nothing more to see as BR has nothing to show for that chance many gave him. He has been a disaster and needs to go. He has squandered a golden opportunity to be a great manager for us due to his faults more as a man, than as a manager. He lacks integrity, is proud, arrogant, egotistical, untrustworthy, in denial, self serving and takes responsibility for nothing. You can't see any of these faults by just looking at someone. You have to get to know and spend time with them to find this out. Unfortunately for him, his time is up. Finally, we all love our club BUT only differ on how we get success and that is fine. Opinions can change but that change needs to be supported by facts and hard numbers instead of just rhetoric with no basis in fact nor logic. I apologize if my replies and other posts have offended you in any way. That was not my intention. Cheers and YWNA, Waro!
25 May 2015 19:43:56
Redohio, I wasn't having a pop at you! I would ask you to look back at some of my old posts because I stated I didn't want him when we got him, but I showed support for him once he was here because what other choice have we got? So win lose or draw I didn't have a go at him to prove I was right, and I definitely didn't want us to lose, paying over £800 for a season ticket and wanting us to lose so I could say I told you so is utter madness, my main issue (and I've seen nothing to waver my opinion) is the owners, but Rodgers got plenty of positive posts from me in his first year, and I've always said, I will give him my backing for the same length of time that Kenny received, and that has long long gone mate.
25 May 2015 19:56:55
Point scoring Ron? There are no winners in this current sorry mess, only losers. You must be cockerhoop at the news tonight, and if by some major miracle he does turn it around I'm sure you will be on here Ron for some futile cyber jousting.
25 May 2015 20:09:27
Edifying, Ron. Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - I think Ron is aiming to get a break from the site, he is adding nothing but petty little attempts to point score. The word you would be looking for Ron is hypocrite, it is describing you very well right now.}
25 May 2015 20:17:08
Redohio and Ron. I did respond to both of your posts but they didn't make it on, I know the eds must be mega busy ATM.
{Ed002's Note - I did not remove them.}
25 May 2015 20:59:02
I've said my piece, Waro. Time to move on because I most certainly have.
25 May 2015 21:11:34
I thought they didn't make it on ed002 because you and ed001 must be extremely busy with the traffic on here tonight, so I thought they had been lost in the pile, apologies, wasn't being funny with anyone eds.
{Ed002's Note - No problem. Ed001 will be out sweeping chimneys and I am watching the movie The Wrong Box.} and }