28 May 2015 00:44:47
U know i never understand understand the spurs Liverpool rivallery in signing playerS
Liverpool fans just assume ings for example will join us and he probably will.
However if you look at spurs. They are a fantastic club and have been consistently challenging for cl the past five years. They have fantastic facilities and are located in London. Me myself. If I had to choose between spurs and Liverpool with the state we are in it would choose spurs. They would offer nearly the same wages too.
Honestly most Liverpool fans need to realise that there are clubs now close to use like spurs that are actually more of an attraction. Would do we have to offer more than Southampton and spurs? History goes out the window. Southampton give your players more of a chance than ourselves and spurs will be flying next season. Fans are disappointed when united grasp our target but we have more competition in other clubs. That's the real realisation of were were at after 5 years.
28 May 2015 02:00:01
for a foreign player maybe. but for any english born player the lure of lfc is much more than playing for spurs. oh we also offer higher wages.
{Ed007's Note - Don't take this the wrong way mate but young players coming through today don't see Liverpool the same way they would in the 80s and 90s. I'm not saying Spurs are any better than Liverpool -and it's not something I would even want involved in - but for one reason or another LFC isn't as attractive as they once were.
For talking sake, 99% of South Americans and Spaniards want to play for Real Madrid or Barca, Germans have Bayern Munich and Italy has Juve and what? AC Milan? There's 4 or 5 clubs in front of Liverppol in England when it comes to enticing young players, and one of them's got to be Southampton. Chelsea and Arsenal seem to do it regularly and both Manchester clubs throw money at them to join then the likes of Spurs and Liverpool fight over what's left
If you weren't a Liverpool fan would you advise your son to sign for them? I'm not looking for an arguement btw, I'm up with my wee dog who's not feeling well and thought I'd give my opinion. As a Celtic fan I can understand thinking players would crawl over burning coals to sign but the reality is very different.}
28 May 2015 05:11:43
It's about the people at the club that negotiate with the players. Ian Ayre and company doesn't have a clue mate
28 May 2015 05:58:20
Good point ed007. If it was my kid I wouldn't let them sign for Liverpool. We are currently a badly run club whose youngsters seem to, in the most part, be left to rot in the reserves. I'd not be confident in Liverpool having the ability to develop my kid into a potentially top player and would be looking at other clubs (City, Arsenal, Southampton) as better destinations and a safer, long term bet. I love Liverpool but when you look at our track record of developing youngsters it really would make anybody question sending their kid to us. I don't think our recent performances (CL once in 6 years, capital one cup success only) does us any favours either. IF we get the right manager in these things could change over a relatively short period, but it's highly contentious as to whether the owners are capable of making the right decision - they have the clubs best interests at heart I have no doubt about that, but there decision making in regards to our club has certainly been patchy to say the least.
28 May 2015 06:37:13
There's also the small matter of Spurs having finished above us 5 of the previous 6 years. We may have a better team, but it's be difficult to say we've performed better than them recently.
28 May 2015 07:08:19
When I say changing the manager is not the panacea everyone else seems to think it is, most people react badly.
But this is the kind of thing we've been getting wrong for decades and a new manager will not change it.
Recruitment is a massive problem and has been for decades, but no-one realises it has not all been Brendan's fault.
Bringing young players through has been a problem for at least a decade, again, people blame the current manager.
Contract problems, again, on going since the final days of Steve McManaman, blame Rodgers.
We've been making a pigs ear of these things since John Smith and Peter Robinson left the club and many other teams have seized the initiative.
Change needs to come from the very top in my opinion.
{Ed001's Note - and yet all of those things are within the remit of a manager. You just try so hard to back Rodgers, that you absolve him of any kind of blame. Then you claim others are entrenched in their views, when it is clear the only close-minded person is you.}
28 May 2015 10:24:40
Right,I'm 'the only closed minded person'.
You are free to believe that if you wish but I think that's a laughable comment and I hope it's meant in jest.
I wonder what is the remit of the scouts, the chief exec, the academy staff. They must have a great life. No responsibility for contracts, youth development or recruitment.
For the record, I don't absolve Rodgers of anything at all. He has made many mistakes I'm sure, but I don't see the point in sacking him. I don't see him as the main problem, or sacking him as the main priority, that's all.
28 May 2015 11:09:24
Happy to see ed007 and ed030 getting involved in the debate.
I Hope i'll see your opinions in here on a more regular basis
28 May 2015 12:16:59
I agree with Ron Keague unless we can get klopp Rogers needs to stay.
With a fully fit DS, how many more points would we have accumulated? Rogers has made mistakes but IMO he needs to learn from this and make sure we have enough fire power upfront.
I know most people don't agree but bar the SAS we have the same team as last season plus more players added. Take the SAS out and that's the problem. Get Sturrage sorted and bring a 20 goal scorer in and you'll see a much improved Liverpool.
{Ed030's Note - Rodgers has had more than enough time to learn from his many mistakes. }
28 May 2015 13:45:45
Rodgers needs to stay if we can't get klopp? Why? Because we couldn't possibly find someone else to spend 215 million, not win a trophy, make top 4 once, get knocked out of CL in first round, get knocked out of EL in first round, isolate players and make a total fool of himself in front of the cameras week in week out?
I'd think it would be difficult to find a manager that wouldn't be an improvement on that.
28 May 2015 14:15:08
What manager in world football would have challenged for top four with Boroni, Balotelli and Lambert? How many goals did our strikers score?
We under achieved not just because of the manager but because of bad strikers. Once DS is fully fit and if we can get a good striker in, we can hopefully add another 40 goals
Rogers was the manager of the year before last season and nearly won us the title. If FSG decide to keep him he has my support for atleast another season.
28 May 2015 03:29:48
Thanks ED'07 for putting it so nicely and I do agree with what you have to say,but with the emergence of Sterling,Ibe,Rossiter(even though BR hasn't given him a proper chance) and hopefully Sinclair,Ojo,Chiverella and the others.Do you think that changes their perception about us?Better first team opportunities and decent wages.
Waiting for your reply and might I add you should come around more often here.
Cheers
{Ed007's Note - Jeez, most of those names I only know through Ed001 talking about them lol But do you really think the Sterling situation and the way it's being played out in the media would encourage youngsters to sign for Liverpool? Signing players like Balotelli and Rickie Lambert over promoting your own youth seems strange to me, especially Lambert.}
28 May 2015 05:20:42
You make some valid points Ed007, but can Spurs or Arsenal offer you the chance to take a picture of you standing next to a Champions League trophy in a glass cabinet? No! :D
{Ed007's Note - Aston Villa and Notts Forest can offer that as well though. Have you ever thought it might be John Bishop's fault? Get him off TV and Messi, Ronaldo and Kris Commons would swim up the Mersey to sign.}
28 May 2015 15:57:53
Aspas, yesil, balo, borini, lambert. Who bought those 5 strikers? Rodgers.
When they were fit who didn't play them? Rodgers
40 million plus millions in wages wasted, who by? Rodgers
175 million spent elsewhere over 3 years, who by? Rodgers
Time + money +Rodgers = failure.
28 May 2015 19:23:50
What other top 5 team would have kept BR after the long list of blunders he has made this season? If you honestly cannot name one then I now many of his apologists are being disingenuous and disnonest. Also, there are managers out there who can manage us and saying the opposite is just ludicrous. People said the same thing after rafa and KK yet we found BR who had he won the PL, his hiring been our greatest achievement in over 2 decades so those saying that are just wrong. He has failed and will be sacked and his apologists` rewriting of history as if the rest of us were in a coma for the last 3 years, won`t change that.
{Ed002's Note - "Top 5 team"?