25 Jun 2015 21:36:56
Its getting a bit heavy on here again and after a pleasant few days i'm going to try and continue that. So i was watching the firmy trick shot with the hoop and it got me nostalgic for watching some old ronaldinho vids. Then i watched neymar and so on. Anyway i remember ronaldinho fondly and he was my fav brazilian player of his generation.
My question to you all who is/was better Ronaldinho or neymar?
I will throw one more into the ring just for fun, Messi or Maradona?
Let the debate begin.
{Ed007's Note - Ronaldinho and Maradona, and both were better than Messi.}
25 Jun 2015 22:37:25
Ronaldo! As in THE Ronaldo, the Brazilian one
25 Jun 2015 22:39:12
Ronaldinho by the way, will always remember that goal he scored against England in the 2002 world cup. I swear I thought it was our year until then!
25 Jun 2015 22:49:34
Ronaldinho is my favourite player of all time. Records and achievements aside nobody has looked as good as he did in his prime.
Messi over maradonna for me only because i wholeheatedly believe football is harder and faster these days. Messi will have an unbelievable record when he finally packs it in.
{Ed007's Note - Aye his medical record! Now that's unbelievable!}
25 Jun 2015 23:01:55
Ronaldinho is a god of football. Far better then messi. But i do love how neymar plays real Brazilian flair
25 Jun 2015 23:04:08
Maradona- at least 100% better than anyone else.
Ronaldinho much better than Neymar.
25 Jun 2015 23:17:25
sorry, but I do not agree Ed.
I've seen Maradonna and I've seen Messi both play live.
Yes, Marradonna was good but Messis goals and close ball control skill is better IMO.
I was in the Azteca the day that Maradonna cheated, and he knew he had, but went on to make out that he had scored a great goal,! ( apart from the actual great goal that he did score)
For this fact, amongst many, I do believe that Messi would never cheat his way to a goal no matter how many he scores the way that Maradonna did. This point alone in my book make him the better man and player that will ever live.
I'm not being biased because Maradonna knocked us out of the World Cup but if it wasn't for the cheat goal I think we may have won the tournament !!
All said and done its Messi for me.
{Ed007's Note - I've seen Paddy McCourt live and he was doing what Messi does years ago. I don't know what you mean with Maradona and a cheat goal - it must be an English thing. Anyhoo, just as a sidenote the man we have to thank for the greatest player ever, Don Maradona, passed away earlier tonight.}
25 Jun 2015 23:50:14
Maradona and Ronaldinho( though if he worked harder it wouldn't even be a question)
26 Jun 2015 00:16:19
Ed 007 - you are so wrong ( in my humble opinion of course ) since watching LFC's first foray into Europe against Reykjavick in 1964 and the greatest ever game at Anfield on May 4th 1965 versus Inter Milan - watched 3 World Cup games in 1966 in the Paddock at Goodison, including Eusebio's 4 goals against North Korea. Without doubt the best all round player I have ever seen is Lionel Messi - he even surpasses, Pele ( and other great Brazilians of that era ), Maradonna and my all time favourite ( before Messi ) Zinadene Zidane. Ronaldhino, great player, but cannot be used in the same sentence as Messi.
{Ed007's Note - Your mind is probably going a bit if you've seen all that, in my humble opinion of course.}
26 Jun 2015 00:20:27
Messi is not in Ronaldo (the Phenom), Ronaldinho or in Maradona's class and will never be, IMO. Why? Maradona transformed teams on his own and did not need a supporting cast to win a WC or turn an obscure team like Napoli into a household name. Ronaldo is simply the best CF in my generation and the best player I have EVER seen in my 30 plus years of watching football, period. He was an animal with pace, power, raw skill and a deadly finish. He dominated in every league he played in, won countless international trophies (all of which Messi is missing), and only trails Pele in international goals for Brazil, till injuries messed him up but that did not stop him from winning the WC after 18 months out injured. And Ronaldinho? What more can one say than just absolute class. He was Messi's mentor at Barca. All these players have one thing in common, a WC triumph while Messi doesn't have a pot to piss in, internationally. call me back when Messi has achieved all these things and well talk then.
{Ed007's Note - Until Messi is tested outside his comfort zone he will always be beneath Maradona. Any time he is - Argentina - he fails to deliver. Maradona as you say RedO transformed any team he played in. I think we've been here before mate, deja vu....}
26 Jun 2015 00:31:37
Ronaldinho was so good he had parts of the bernabeu applauding him during El Classico.
I can't remember the year but it's one where he cuts in off the left and destroys them.
A show pony for sure but a very good one.
26 Jun 2015 00:23:36
Funnyyou should mention Paddy McCourt ed. I watched him at Derry before he went to Celtic where he would beat men 4 at a time in slow motion. He had so much natural ability.
{Ed007's Note - People should look up his videos on Youtube, he wasn't called the Derry Pele for nothing, if only he could have screwed the nut and applied himself. Skill wise he was probably up there with Lubo Moravcik but attitude wise he makes Gazza look like Mr Motivator.}
26 Jun 2015 00:59:09
Ronaldinho was probably the best player i have seen.
Oh and Messi did the same hand of god goal too, in case you missed it.
26 Jun 2015 01:02:12
Loved watching ronaldinho play, what a superstar. Was really starstruck when I met him.
26 Jun 2015 05:47:14
Messi did in fact cheat in the exact same manner a few years ago in the final game of the season which could very well have won barca the title had Madrid not win their game.the only reason nobody remembers is there was no consequence. So we can put to bed the image of messi as an honorable player, he also took human growth hormone to make him taller and stronger, which I disagree with. You might say that it was medically related but that's tough in my opinion, plenty of other very short players were not allowed to do that.
26 Jun 2015 07:03:29
For me, the best ever is Zidane. He can make Borini look like Ronaldo and Allen look like Xavi.
To me, the hallmark of a great player isn't that he's good, it's that he makes all other players look fantastic. I remember watching France during 2006 World Cup qualifiers, and they looked like a soulless bunch. Up steps Zidane & they're in the World Cup finals.
He still has perhaps the greatest individual performance I've seen in a match - Brazil vs France, quarterfinals 2006 - he made Kaka, Ronaldinho, Juninho, Ze Roberto & Gilberto look so terrible, it was insulting.
If Zidane had a team of mediocres and Messi/Ronaldinho had a team of mediocres, Zidane's team would finish above theirs if they were in a league.
26 Jun 2015 07:58:33
Maradona had quite a few teams of mediocres and won plenty. What did Zidane win before he went to juventus? France was a decent team-even if they were performing below par In the qualifiers.
26 Jun 2015 10:05:07
In his pomp Ronaldinho was just unplayable, and that's unplayable against the very best in the world. His fitness and training issues meant his time at the very top was shorter than a lot of players but, for me, i've never seen a player who was such a game changer. If I was older i'd probably be saying something similar about Maradona.
26 Jun 2015 13:14:01
As i said ronaldinho is my all time fav, messi is too lazy for me, does about 20 mins of work in a match and switches off for the majority of the game. I have never watched him play and just went omg that was amazing like i have with ronaldinho. Maradona won a world cup by himself nuff said regardless of the nonsense with the goal that should never have been.
And ed07 omg paddy mccourt, how in the hell was he never acclaimed as one of the best in the world. If he was playing today with the profligation of social media he would be bigger than messi, just pure natural talent. Sadly that sort of skill is being coached out of youngsters, we will never see such like on these shores again as long as the game is so heavily leaned towards big athletes rather than skillful players.
26 Jun 2015 13:44:15
Out of the choices Ronaldinho and Maradona. Neymar might surpass Ronaldinho but for me Maradona won the World Cup for Argentina on his own, Messi looks amazing with great players supporting. Maradona made average players play great. Also I have to agree with some others, the best player I've seen play live is Ronaldo Luis Nazario de Lima (The Phenom), when he played for Barcelona he was untouchable, greatest striker of all time in my book. It's a shame injury robbed him towards the end of his career, but he could still go to a world cup after not playing properly for nearly two years and win the golden boot. He is also another reason for my utter hatred and contempt for the imposter Ronaldo, because of that arrogant p***k, the greatest striker ever is referred to as Fat Ronaldo, it disgusts me
26 Jun 2015 14:10:48
Maradona, Pele, Messi in that order. Would always find a place in my top 10 for Van Basten too. A joy to watch.