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29 Jun 2015 16:48:00
Seen quite a few posts on this player or that Player not fitting in with our 'style'. Can someone please explain what our ' style' is? because if it's what we saw for half of last season then what are we fussed about? We developed a high press system for 1 season built around the dynamism of Suarez and sturridge. Clearly both are irreplaceable ( without CL) so we probably need to start thinking about evolving a new style with the players we have and thinking towards those which may sign. Everybody loved the attacking football we had 2 years ago but perhaps we need a more defensively minded approach and move to a more counter attacking style. BR's death by football strategy( possessions) doesn't seem to work and judging by the amount of midfielders we have its seems likely we will pack the middle and quickly counter ( hence benteke interest?)

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29 Jun 2015 16:54:57
I've mentioned this further down

If a player is good enough they can adapt, balo looked ok playing with sturridge it's just balo can play as a lone striker where as benteke can.

Do Belgium play to bentekes strengths I ask you?

29 Jun 2015 17:05:55
You're suggesting a coach who say that defending is "uncoachable" should play a game based primarily on defense?

29 Jun 2015 17:18:58
Lol Nevada, just going by what we have in the squad and what the reported interest in players we have. If we are going to have 10 MF's one would assume 5 will get played. Ideally we ' d just move the coach on and let someone else develop a style but it seems unlikely that is going to happen. Besides maybe the coaches coming in will have more of a say on actual coaching priorities!

29 Jun 2015 17:21:22
Spot on swish cleaner and Lavers. Completely agree. If Continho, Firmini, Ibe and Milner can't do what Delph, N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor and Weimann do, ie put the ball in the box either on the deck or in the air, then our problem is not Benteke. Our biggest issue last season was nobody attacking the area. Borini and Sturridhe pull into the channels, Balotelli was too lazy to keep up with play and Lambert barely got a sniff of game time.

Ings and Benteke will make runs into the area and give our players a target to aim for. What is our style? Pass it sideways and hope Coutinho or Henderson get fed up and score a screamer? No I'm sorry but we need players willing to attack the area or else we'll always just be hoping for a moment of magic. Not everybody is Luis Suarez!

{Ed001's Note - does Benteke make many runs in your opinion? Because whenever I watch him he is not providing any movement and just expecting the ball delivered to him. I have never understood the deal about him, he has a stinking attitude. That is why he does not fit a style that requires work rate and movement. Coutinho is at his best when he has movement ahead of him to pick out, he will not get that from Benteke. Oh and you clearly do not watch Villa much or you would know that when Benteke was at his best Agbonlahor and Weimann were out of the side and Villa played a long ball game. Benteke was not making runs into the area, he ambled in, or just stood static waiting for crosses, he doesn't have the quick movement that great strikers have. The sudden stops or changes in direction that top forwards use to create a gap between them and their marker is completely alien to him. He wants everything handed to him on a plate, which is exactly what Sherwood did.}

29 Jun 2015 17:27:01
@Swischcleaner, exactly we need to think about a style for the players that we have. E.g. How can you not see that we do not have players to suit a style for Benteke to flourish?

The high press is what has worked the best for us so signing Balotelli last season is possibly the worst striker we could have gone for in terms of players fitting our style. Otherwise I believe we have plenty of players who can play the high press, quick attacking football where they use their technique and speed. None of these really suit Benteke.

29 Jun 2015 17:35:14
Benteke isn't that quick so who will be finishing these "quick counters" off? The real truth is that Benteke is a good, though far from great, player. He offers a certain set of traits and the general consensus, at least among fans, is that those traits are going to be of limited use at Anfield. We are not a long ball term, we are not a team who pumps cross after cross into the box, we are not a team who looks to batter there way through a team (see United, punt to Fellain tactics) - we look to play football, on the ground, with attack being the priority. The only reason we should resort to defensive football is when coming up against superior opposition - if we consider ourselves top 4 material that shouldn't be happening too often. Benteke is going to be another transfer we rue for being the wrong choice, the wrong fit for our team. Add to this the ridiculous fee Villa are demanding - we should just walk away with demands of 32.5million: completely above and beyond his worth and, for that price, we'd have a chance of recruiting a player whom better suits our philosophy.

I've no animosity for the lad I just feel like the transfer is the wrong choice for us.

29 Jun 2015 17:52:54
Completely agree with you Ed001.

29 Jun 2015 17:56:46
In all fairness Ed, I see your point about benteke often waiting for the Ball to be played in the air or into his feet but when he's that strong and can easily turn/ shrug them off it becomes less important that he gets behind them. A lot of his goals come from cut backs which suggest another striker ( and/ or midfielders get behind the opposition ). I one for one wouldn't be terribly disappointed to see him join (though I think there's others that would require less adaption from the team) but I do think there isn't a defender in the league that would want to face him. We missed that fear factor last year. Judging by how many times BR jiggled his team / system last year I bet there's s not one person that can say what our best combination was last year ( BR certainly doesn't) so at least we'd have time to get the team working to his strengths.

29 Jun 2015 18:09:30
Seriously Adam, do u honestly believe your opinions on Benteke? Ed01 summed him up perfectly there. That is the player I have watched for the last 3 seasons.

Lambert tried to play a possession built game and Benteke did not score that many at all and was probably one of the reasons why he got the boot. Then tatics Tim came in and built a team to lump it in the box at any opportunity to him.
He will score goals if u play a certain way but Rodgers is not building a team like that so the link seems very odd to me.

I see Benteke for Liverpool as a very expensive plan B, if u want a player that is good in the air and has good movement in the box Hernandez would be half the cost.

He would offer about as much as Benteke outside the box and a more cuteness inside it.

29 Jun 2015 18:27:14
Chris
I wouldn't call Hernandez cute mate. Something there you're hiding from us all? 😉

29 Jun 2015 18:30:42
CTR
He's a sensitive guy leave him alone 💜

29 Jun 2015 18:24:29
Edd001 Adams and your replies are amusing. He keeps coming back for round 2 in relation to benteke. I don't believe you will change his opinion mate'.

29 Jun 2015 19:23:40
To be fair when Rodgers said our defence problems where uncoachable, when you look at skrtle, Johnson, Enrique and mignolet you kind of have to agree completely with him. Haha

29 Jun 2015 19:35:13
I can't remember the number of times I swore at Balotelli last season, and I fear the same would be repeated with Benteke. With the way we're set up and the players we've in midfield (especially Coutinho), what we need is a mobile forward. Even Marc Wilmots complained about his lack of movements against Wales.
Watch Neymar/Suarez/Sturridge/Torres (at Liverpool). if you've someone like Coutinho behind you and you don't make the necessary movements (like Balotelli did all last season, and Benteke might do if we sign him), then you aren't going to put pressure on the opponents.
I wish Brendan would forget about him, and either go with what we have, or look for someone willing to get behind defences. Even Theo Walcott would do, if not for his injuries. or he should read Ed002's posts and get Mitrovic.

29 Jun 2015 19:36:22
Can't help myself AL. :)

29 Jun 2015 19:38:18
Ahhhh he's a man amongst men dags2 lol

29 Jun 2015 19:50:12
I don't think its a case of changing opinions. Only if he signs will we see what he can do for us.

29 Jun 2015 20:39:21
I've already explained that I don't want us to sign him. But it's not due to lack of talent or the fact he won't fit in. Must've missed the Belgium games where Hazard and De Bruyne just lumped it for 90 minutes.

I personally think he does make runs Ed. But I hate the way he sulks when his team are losing. He doesn't have any fire in his belly. I see no issues talent wise, and think he'd link up absolutely fine with Coutinho etc. He is much faster than he's given credit for. My only issue is with his attitude. I just think people are wrongly criticising his ability to play with more technically gifted players. He's actually pretty good with the ball on the deck. I know a fair few Villa fans down hear in the midlands and the younger ones call him Bentekkerz because of how skillful he is. They are all very loathe to lose him though as they know just how good he is and that they simply don't have the pull to attract a player of similar calibre.

{Ed001's Note - you do realise he is criticised constantly by the Belgians for being awful. Simply because they don't lump it to him so he offers them nothing. No one is saying he doesn't have ability, we are all saying he refuses to use it so is a waste of space. As for Villa fans, they have Gabby Agbonlahor to compare him to, a three legged donkey would seem like a quality player in comparison to that useless waste of space.}

29 Jun 2015 20:41:21
Ed01 & Ozone - respect your opinions. You don't like Benteke clearly but which striker do you think we could get that would fit the bill?

{Ed001's Note - already said a million times we should save the money and stop buying dross and just go with what we have.}

29 Jun 2015 21:00:37
And that'll get us top 4?

29 Jun 2015 21:54:51
Boom
We currently have eight attacking players. That does not include ballotelli borini and lambert all who i expect to leave.
The strikers are ings, origi sturridge and firminho can play anywere up front. We will likely sign another striker so what is the point of ings? Or buying origi last year? We should have only bought one striker this window and a top one at that. Benteke will just be an awful ssigning. 30 million to warm the bench? Or a player if starts who will disrupt our attack and weaken the teams attack as a whole? Terrible potential buy.
We need a striker who can finish, make them runs and adapT to tweaks in the team and that is why when sturridge is fit he is the best around imo.We cannot rely on sturridge every year. Benteke is a better ballotelli which is no compliment.







 

 

 
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