07 Jul 2015 07:45:34
Looks like déjà vue with Borini. He couldn't agree personal terms with Lazio and now wants to stop in the EPL. I wonder what he was like as a kid if he couldn't get his own way.
07 Jul 2015 08:04:19
Have an agree from me, totally frustrating from a fan and club point of view.
However, when he was a kid, if he was signed by a school who then refused to teach him or have him in class, wouldn't you feel a bit miffed too?
07 Jul 2015 08:15:20
He's a money grabbing little toe rag ozone, were he gets his over blown self confidence in his abilities from I really don't know, he is asking for silly money hoping someone is daft enough to pay it, or sit and see out his contract and get weighed in for millions on a free. He's rubbish and yet another in the long line of rubbish bought by swiss tony.
{Ed001's Note - if he was a money grabber he would have taken QPR's double money.}
07 Jul 2015 08:15:52
I don't think this is ' his way'. He went out in loan, did well and was rewarded with barely a sniff of a chance from the man who brought him here in the first place.
07 Jul 2015 08:37:24
He was sent out on loan to get his value up so we could sell him.
That bit worked but despite being told he could go (I don't want you) he decided to stay.
You can read it both ways - the lad genuinely thought he could crack it or he's just an arse.
He can't say he wasn't warned his chances would be limited though.
07 Jul 2015 08:51:02
It's a straight case of manager falling out with players, not trusting them. We played with Sterling and countinho up top and looked like a joke.
07 Jul 2015 09:00:10
He demanded a ridiculous amount of money from Sunderland didn't he? Then he rejected their offer afterwards. Regardless of how he has been treated by the club and the manager, the best way to rebuild your career elsewhere, at the right club and setup, but most of the time, you have to compromise and Borini comes across as a little to picky.
{Ed001's Note - he never demanded anything, Sunderland made an offer, he said he wasn't interested, so they made a bigger offer and he still was not interested. Nothing to do with being picky, just a desire to prove himself.}
07 Jul 2015 09:07:46
I think most players would want out asap if they were told they were not going to play a part. To me he has just wasted a year when he could have been playing regularly somewhere else. He either has an inflated opinion of his ability or else he wants the biggest pay day he can get. And running down his contact is the way to get that pay day
{Ed001's Note - would you not look around at Lambert and Balotelli and think you had a chance of games?}
07 Jul 2015 09:10:22
So all of you guys think that an employee should be forced to go wherever the employee sees fit? If your boss told you to move somewhere you didn't want to would you accept it?
I've no hard feelings for borini he's been a pretty good professional since joining and incredibly patient too. Stop attacking the lad.
07 Jul 2015 09:22:42
this is unreal. Are you guys serious? If you worked in a company who suddenly wanted to transfer you to italy or some small company in the northern parts of england - would you just say yes? You people tend to forget this is people. I do not care what money they are on - they are still people, not just things you can move around as it pleases you.
Calling him a money grabbing little toe rag is just stupid Waro. I think ed001 have pointed out countless of times that he isn't. Comparing with a spoiled child seems stupid too Ozone. He is a young man who have always tried to do his best. He for one never looks disinterested.
If a club give a player a contract you cannot complain if the player want to honor that contract for whatever reason. We complain when they want to leave but at the time it suits our needs they have to go whether it pleases them or not. Whether they like the destination or not. Absolutely ridiculous.
Blame the club and/or blame whoever bought him without playing him in his prefered position, without giving him a proper chance. He may not be what we need, he may not be good enough, but i am absolutely certain that we would have done better if Borini had played all the games Balotelli played last season. Atleast he would have cared.
Give the guy a brake and try to remember that this is people with their own will and ideas.
07 Jul 2015 09:22:57
Surely he'll have learned his lesson by this transfer window.
07 Jul 2015 09:24:23
Without being privy to all the information it's impossible for any of us to actually comment on the situation. The ed's know much more than us and have made it clear it is not about money. There 2 ways to look at it.
1- he is not wanted but is being petulant about leaving. Or
2- he feels totally let down by the manager and club who are trying to force him out despite not being a chance to prove himself. Maybe all he wants is one chance to show he can play a role for the club.
Why are the so called best supporters in the world so quick to turn on players theses days
07 Jul 2015 09:25:38
A bigger transfer fee Ed001?
{Ed001's Note - no that was nothing to do with Borini. He was made an offer after Sunderland agreed the fee.}
07 Jul 2015 09:35:08
That's not the story I was told ed001, and the lad I know is quite informed, to my knowledge he was asking for money that would have made him Sunderlands highest paid player by a country mile.
{Ed001's Note - Sunderland offered to make him their highest paid player, correct, but he was not interested in moving to them. QPR offered much more than Sunderland, he still rejected it.}
07 Jul 2015 09:40:35
Zed ozone and waro,this was all done to death in last years transfer window,the eds explained clearly the larger offers on the table from other clubs to him and his rejection of those,how is that money grabbing?!?!?!? Seriously read the posts and take in what's said.
07 Jul 2015 09:59:33
Lads ye really need to lay off Borini. He was signed by Rodgers and then Rodgers didn't want him any more. He wanted to stay, on his lower LFC wages, last season to prove he can cut it.
If he had been given Balotelli's game time he would have done better than him. It was Rodgers' stubborness that got in the way here.
He should have been given more game time. He wasn't. I'd imagine he's learned his lesson and will move on this summer instead but he has busted his balls for us any chance he has been given and he deserves to be allowed to make his decision on what is best for him now.
07 Jul 2015 10:21:01
Hate the way people compare being a professional footballer to a normal job that we all do, its a terrible comparison, the club didn't force him anywhere by the way, he was told his chances would be limited so feel free to find another club, Sunderland made a bid which we accepted, so who was trying to force him anywhere? And can people pack it in with this were supposed to be the best fans in the world crap, the only people who ever say that are players who are here or players linked to a move here, it's just lip service to get gullible fans on side, no Liverpool supporters I know have ever said that, so stop with it because your making yourselves look like nuggets!
07 Jul 2015 10:44:10
I think the point Waro is that if Borini is expected to go wherever and whenever the club pleases then that is clearly not fair.
Nobody should be forced to go to sunderland or Lazio or anywhere that they do not want to. Surely if Borini is to leave he should be given the decision as to where he is to go and when? If borini felt it was better for him and his family to stay in Liverpool and wait for another opportunity then he is fully entitled to do so.
Just because he works in the entertainment/sports industry and is a high earner does not mean his personal right to work where he pleases should be infringed.
07 Jul 2015 11:13:17
@Waro, completely agree with you on the best fans in the world nonsense. Completely agree with Nevada on it being Borini's choice though.
07 Jul 2015 11:30:07
He wasn't forced to go anywhere. I think you don't need to be genius to figure out that your chances are limited when told by the same manager that bought you. I am also pretty sure that Borini would prefer to go and play for Juventus but he can't; it is about accepting the best offer for your career.
As an aside, I would believe Waro's sources, he got the team news correct repeatedly for a very long time.
07 Jul 2015 11:37:35
Ok Nevada, if you want to continue this stupid comparison, then I'll indulge you. If my company said to me I wasn't fitting into the team very well and me staying was counter productive to myself and the company and I should look for a position elsewhere and then a company from somewhere in the UK or Europe offered the same position to the role I'm doing now with the promise of a massive bonus just for joining them and more than doubling my annual salary, then I'd be off, but I wouldn't have the luxury of being able to sit on my contract doing very little for my wages until said contract had ran out then being able to negotiate an even bigger joining bonus and even bigger annual salary, so you see were the comparison doesn't work with my last paragraph.
And bobatron, I can read,but I don't look at the ed's as the all seeing eye of football, they are more in the know than most, but the snippets of info I get now and again from someone I know I will tend to believe, and that is the case with the Italian, so hopefully you can read this through the ed love bubbles you have in your eyes and understand what I've written.
07 Jul 2015 12:01:55
Waro borini even said himself after he was offered more money.The eds reported it whilst it was ongoing. If your informant is telling you differently. You might want to drop them. This has nothing to do with loving eds,I've had my fair share of fallouts with them over the ast 4 years I've posted. But clearly something is lacking in that cranium of yours if you think it's about money with him,as clearly rejecting a larger pay does not back up your theory
07 Jul 2015 12:40:32
Yes warp I understand your point about him being told his chances are limited and maybe he be better off elsewhere but surely the decision to leave should be up to him? If he decides to stay for whatever reason then why should be not be allowed?
I decided to split my time between a home in los Angeles and the north of England , my job is in LA my family in England and I can tell you the only harder than leaving my family at home to go to a much better job was trying to persuade them to come with me. What's my point? Money is not always the factor in accepting a new position in a different country.
I agree with you that from our perspective perhaps being paid more money and getting regular game time would persuade me or you but perhaps it's different for someone else
07 Jul 2015 12:46:53
Waro
I saw your little analysis,Sorry but there is more to life than money. I was offered a chance last year to work in Liverpool for a friend too for a significantly larger amount of money to myself rather than stay in leeds. However I had committments to a junior football club,and an AFL team in the area,whilst also not wanting to upset a cat I had just taken in. I am not a fan myself of the company I work at,but I chose to stay in Leeds because of those commitments.
There are significantly more social factors to take into account than a manager not wanting you and more money. I'm not saying that Borini is facing what I looked at but not every one has the same careers and social drivers
07 Jul 2015 12:54:14
He's well within his rights to honour his contract.
Red Rum
07 Jul 2015 13:07:42
This topic is now becoming fragmented, my point is, you cannot reasonably compare being a highly paid footballer to being a normal working man, there to far removed to work as a comparison.
I will keep it simple, I was told a fee was agreed, but he was asking for silly money from Sunderland, in short they offered him far more than he's getting at Liverpool and regular football but he " ASKED FOR EVEN MORE MONEY ", so yes Bob, in my book that is greed pure and simple, don't know what's happening with Lazio but maybe history is repeating itself. Now read that very very slowly Bob so you can digest what I've written, take a back step and think about what I've said and try not to focus on winning an argument.
07 Jul 2015 13:46:12
This is not about winning an argument,It's about you claiming your source has said this and that and using that to suggest a player is greedy. Do you not see your contradiction?
a player is greedy by rejecting a contract for bigger money than what he's on because he wants more money,he then doesn't sign a contract and stays on his current contracts which is less money than he was offered and much less money than he wanted. He's then looking likely to reject lazio and you suggest he is possibly doing it out of greed or as you put ''history repeating itself '' therefore inferring that he wants more money,even though he's currently earning less every week he doesn't sign one.
Do you not see the flaw in your logic? I mean seriously do you really not see how utterly nonsensical your reasoning is?!?!?
07 Jul 2015 14:00:00
I can concede that they are very different to a normal working man, that much is true waro but they still under law are allowed the same rights as a working person, one of those laws is the right to choose where they work. That was my point originally.
If he is being greedy and asking for a lot of money then he makes his own problems. Let's not get on his case about that though since we can fire that criticism at every single footballer since Jimmy Hill ( I know only of two footballers who did not ask for a pay rise when moving clubs or negotiating a contract and one who did negotiate a much better one but only so he could donate all but 10% to charity). If we are to criticise Borini for that then everyone should be criticised for that, seems unfair to single him out in particular.
I do agree they earn so much that they are detached from 'ordinary' society.
07 Jul 2015 14:47:34
Do you get haircuts Bob or get your head plained? That's because he can sit on his very nice contract ( let's not forget,he's very well paid by us already )until he gets the massive money he craves, if he's on 50k and other clubs offered him 75k but he really wants over 100k, then he can sit and wait because he will eventually get what he wants, IE " I can wait it out for a year because the extra 25k a week I was offered I will get that and more when I go on a free", that is very definition of greed bobby me boy, game set and match, thank you and goodnight😉
{Ed001's Note - what about the cut of the transfer fee he would have got?}
07 Jul 2015 15:25:16
I nearly got into a punch up with a fellow fan over Borini, New Year's Day, Leicester at home, 2-0 up and he comes on with his non sensical runs into nowhere, Leicester push up and we sit deep because of it, 2 goals within 10 mins I think it was. I blow a gasket about Borini and the fella in front starts questioning why it was Borinis fault. If he stays this season and plays, I walk out. As Waro says, the lads totally unrealistic in terms of his own abilities. He had the cheek to cock his hand to his ear when he scored against Villa. What's that about? From what I understand his reluctance to leave has a lot to do with his private life. Waros nailed it in terms of footballer/ real life employment situation. The lads had enough offers and he's now costing the club in terms of progression. Let's face it, if we'd got the £14mill last season from Sunderland, would we have gambled on Mario or would that extra dough been enough for a more accomplished striker or Bony for example.
07 Jul 2015 16:02:46
He would have received £1.4million from the transfer fee ed001, if leaves on a free, I would imagine he could look to more than double that as a signing on fee and no doubt double his wages. You think he's a committed lad who wants to play for us, I disagree, simple as that.
07 Jul 2015 16:27:28
I didn't realise you were a contract expert waro. Sahme that if he sticks with us for another year, He'll have done himself out of even more money,and will likely not increase his wages in doing so. He's so far only screwed himself out of more money going by your logic. There's something called opportunity cost. you should look it up.