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14 Jul 2015 21:50:29
Curious as to why everyone here thinks we need a new holding midfielder when Ed002 has told us Lucas was convinced to stay, E.Can was told he's seen as Gerrards replacement, Allen is still here, and in emergencies K.Toure can play there as well.

How many options do you all want? Lucas is probably in the top 3 holding midfielders in the Premier League behind Matic and Carrick. Allen is an international player for a side ranked in the top 10 in world football and is regularly one of their better players (easily good enough as a back up, put it that way). Can is probably better in a more box to box role but he has played holding midfield for Leverkusen and Germany U21's.

It just seems to me like you're all brown nosing Ed001 because he wants Medel. I thought we were losing Lucas so was open to the idea of signing Kovacic as a holding midfielder. But if Lucas is staying then it's just a waste of money. Move on people. Benteke will probably be the last senior player we sign. 6 senior players is plenty of change for one summer.

Are you all just bored of Lucas because he's been here so long? Or do you genuinely think a 21 year old Kovacic is going to be an improvement? I personally don't even rate Medel as highly as I rate Lucas. They're slightly different but Lucas is more effective in my opinion. He's also far more loyal and a much better role model for younger players.

Still though, I'll leave you all to fantasise and drive out one of our only top class players.

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14 Jul 2015 22:05:23
EMS but is Lucas starting to be injury prone.

14 Jul 2015 22:21:00
Do you think Can is disciplined enough to play that role? Personally not for me.

14 Jul 2015 22:36:58
Bear in mind some of the people suggesting we sign Medel or gushing over Kovacic may not actually rate Lucas. His status as a top player is not universal among the fanbase.

Personally I do rate Lucas, and I would have him as first choice holding midfielder, rotate him as little as his fitness allows, and wouldn't buy anyone. But I'm not the manager of Liverpool Football Club, Brendan Rodgers is. And even with Lucas staying, I can't help but feel that Rodgers doesn't really rate him and only is keeping him for squad depth, especially with Thursday night football beckoning this season. I wouldn't die of surprise if Lucas ended up playing the Europa & cup games and being in and out of the team in the league whilst someone else (or something else tactically) is tried in the majority of league games.

If that is the case, then I'd rather that someone else be a new player we sign. Because Allen isn't good enough, and I have serious concerns about Can's ability to play as a holding midfielder (and even if I didn't, it'd be a waste of his attacking drive anyway).

With the players we have, and based on previous experience, I can only see us having solid central midfield without Lucas if Rossiter steps up, or if Can & Hendo can dovetail into an effective 2 man central midfield sharing the defensive responsibilities between them - and I can't think of too many players who do that.

14 Jul 2015 22:37:50
probably on the basis of not preferring joe allen in the event lucas is injured more than anything else, and can is seen as a b2b midfielder.

not too sure, just what i think people are thinking.

14 Jul 2015 22:48:08
Absolutely agree! Lucas loyalty and determination (to succeed since his 'bad days') are what we lack and certainly don't seem to appreciate at times. We have rossiter aswell who will be wanting some action, if we sign another mid then he will befit ther down the pecking order, and realistically he is the next local lad who can become really good.

Let's not get our pocket money and blow it in the first sweet shop we come to

14 Jul 2015 23:12:21
I think many, including myself, see Lucas as their preferred DM but Rogers doesn't think that way unfortunately. If he's not going to be played by BR, then I'd rather we got in a top class replacement than be faced with either Allen (not top 4 standard IMO) or Can (too inexperienced to be relied upon there just yet).

I personally wish we sold Allen for someone like Kovacic, Bender, Kongdogbia etc. and had a 1st class DM option that we actually play, then have Lucas provide competition for the role and then have Can rotating for Hendo/Milner until gets used to playing midfield in the PL.

14 Jul 2015 23:15:34
Can is more than capable of filling that role for me,it's completely different from being a right sided centreback of 3. We brought him in as a replacement for Lucas. I share concerns like others on Lucas's ability to stay fit for another season.

I see both points of view. Medel is a very good player,is he necessary for Liverpool No,but ed001 once said you never stop looking to improve the player the number 10 role (or something to that effect) I don't see wy it can't be the same for a DM if he is better than Can and Lucas I'm for it.

Allen is not and never will be good enough for a deep lying play maker or simply break up player,regardless of where Bale,williams and Ramsey have dragged the Welsh team.For the record Joe Allen has feature in about 50% of the games in the lat 2 years wales are not a top 10 team regardless of FIFAS rankings

14 Jul 2015 23:33:39
Can is not ready IMO.

14 Jul 2015 23:40:25
I think behind a striker a defensive mid/playmaker should be the next focus and possibly conclude the transfer business for incoming players. I don't think E. Can for fulfill this role based on his performances during the U21 euros, his defensive awareness and positioning didn't seem the best and he looked most dangerous when given the freedom to go box to box.

For me Lucas is a good defensive midfielder but I don't believe he is suited to the system Rodgers tries to implement. He is tidy in possession but doesn't dedicate the tempo of the game or have a great range of passing similar to a Pirlo, Carrick, Busquets or Xabi which is the type I think Rodgers wants.

I don't think Allen is good enough for the role both defensively and while in possession. I think Kovacic would be great for what Rodgers wants but also can develop the defensive side of his game, I believe one of the eds said he is known to be working on that side of his game. Medel is favored by a lot of people for the role as he is adequate as a playmaker whilst also being a top defensive midfielder and for me a better option than Lucas as he is much stronger athletically to add to the qualities Lucas possesses.

15 Jul 2015 00:15:34
Allen should be gotten shut of. Nowhere near the standard of lfc. Could you see him in a top 4 team? NO.

15 Jul 2015 00:16:48
If you can't get an upgrade in Lucas, then he stays and plays every game because the others aren't in his class at the DM position because we almost never lose nor concede when he plays. All the other deep lying playmaker business is just pointless because that doesn't work in the PL because no other team in the top four plays with one. Matic has made the difference for Chelsea and is their most important player and is a DM through and through. I'll take Mou's proven tactics over BR any day

15 Jul 2015 00:32:33
@ Bobatron - Can quite clearly doesn't see dangerous situations developing, doesn't track runners and as a result is reacting and chasing after people the whole time rather than taking dangerous players out of the game before they get the ball by cutting off passing lanes to them or by tracking their run & marking them. He doesn't need to be playing holding midfield for this to be evident, since it's fairly obvious when he's playing center or right back. And actually, it was even worse the three or four times he did play as a holding mid.

I guess it could be coached into him over time, but I'd rather the coaches work on improving his natural game where he has the potential to become world class - ie. a box to box or attacking midfielder.

Gerrard was the same, btw, world class attacking midfielder, but in a deeper role, he never saw opposition midfielders making dangerous runs and would suddenly find himself needing to chase back after player that he could've neutralised by dropping off a few yards a few seconds earlier. That's why neither Houllier or Benitez played him as a holding midfielder unless every other option they had was injured. Kenny mostly kept him out of there too only even though Lucas did his cruciate and Spearing was the only other option.

15 Jul 2015 00:56:41
Why does everyone keep saying Kovacic is a holding midfielder?

15 Jul 2015 02:40:53
Ron, why would Can not be ready for a mid role? After all, BR did call him a Rolls Royce.

15 Jul 2015 03:18:31
lucas cannot dictate a game and so we are looking at Kovacic. Allen has had 3 good years and only 3 good games till now. We cannot start another season without a top class player over there.
Gerrard was poor whole last season.
Can has no positional discipline. He is a B2B player just like Ramirez ATM.

15 Jul 2015 07:53:25
Redohio

Disagree, Carrick is one such who dictated the game at Anfield picking up Fellaini everytime he had the ball.
Matic is Acompanied by Fabrigas at Chelsea
Coquelin with Carzola
Carrick now will partner with Schinderlin

Liverpool will have to play with Lucas-Allen.

Good luck

15 Jul 2015 08:04:57
Magico.

Yes, 2 seasons ago.

15 Jul 2015 08:15:01
@Somenthing-How have you based this exactly? I've watched his performances in the middle of which there have only been a handful,and he's played very well. Are you basing it on his centreback play? which he clearly isn't? Centre back and DM are 2 very very different roles. To say because he failed as a defender in reading situations means nothing to playing DM. How can you cut off a passing lane when you're the last man exactly. And you're simply being beaten for pace by a winger on the outside,like Hazard?

I think you've just thrown out a load of cool sentences you've heard together without a though of what goes into them ''cutting off passing lanes to them or by tracking their run & marking them''

Hear some one say that about Gerrard and just thought we could apply it to a right centreback position did we?







 

 

 
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