18 Jul 2015 19:14:46
Never normally post, sorry to have have upset a few. but it is not championship manager syndrome, failure to support or any other of the popular challenges to any criticism of a player.
My view is based on 48 years a season ticket holder, lower centenary (and before that kemlyn road for the old un's), and fair time watching away from home as well over the years. With regards to left-back I have seen them from from peter wall, ellyn when he arrived (similar age to mereno) alec lindsay, even rol evans (whom I had the pleasure of spending an evening with talking about the modern day 'defender'). moreno is one of the worst defenders I have seen in the red shirt. Of course all aspects of a game can be taught and but fundamentally he does not give a monkey's about his defensive responsibilities (and its not just playing as a wing back). For all those of you who don't like it, are you prepared to have another half dozen games when his errors directly lead to defeats. sorry in my book LFC comes before any player for me. If someone is letting the team and supporters down through repeatedly making the same mistake than is not on. Supporting does not mean being unable to see weakness when it is staring you in the face. Potential is worth working with, irresponsibility and lack of care is another thing all together. All I can say is Moreno is lucky he did not pay alongside a few of the old un' the likes of Tommy Smith and Ray kennedy would have had him by then throat at half time, for some of the thing he does (or does not do).8 million from Roma, I hope to goodness its true.
18 Jul 2015 19:46:15
48 years. That's good enough for me. Thanks for sharing the benefit of your experience.
I can remember some pretty shocking defenders. If Moreno is near the top of this mans list then we should all listen.
Why do so many of the rest of you insist on being "patient"? Would Chelsea be patient with Moreno? Man U under Fergie? Any successful side?
Keeping doing the same things and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity.
18 Jul 2015 19:53:09
I think Gomez might take his place this season.
18 Jul 2015 20:27:14
Well I am the great Steven Gerrard and I say he is great. Really it is amazing what the internet brings out of people. Last summer we were linked with Bertrand and Mereno and everyone on here was saying how shirt Bertrand was and how good Mereno is. No Mereno is another scape goat. He is a kid with talent who needs to learn English and learn his trade. If fans like you had their way Lucas would be gone, and Henderson would be gone. When I started supporting this team we had the best fans in the world now we have a bunch of cry babies who hate every player on the team and moan about anything. To many signings, to few signings, not buying expensive " marquee players, buying expensive shit players. I have no idea how the eds read this crap all day. Phi and the fact you think Mereno is worse than koncheski tells it all.
18 Jul 2015 20:27:26
Not sure you can lay 6 defeats at the door of a single player - it is a team game and, like it or not, Moreno is not solely responsible for a defeat in any game. I've already made reference to his defensive ability in a previous post so don't need to get into it with you but I think you are being overly critical. He is a young player, in a new country with a different approach and, on top of that, a poorly managed team (last season at least). I think he was very underwhelming last season but I certainly do not think he should be sold or that we should not give him a chance to make amends and improve. He needs more time to see if he can correct the flaws in his game - he was poor last season but he is not hopeless. It is also impractical to give players a single season then sell them on for a loss - players need time, especially young players, and Moreno is no different. I think, if the team is cohesive, it will make a significant difference to his performances. Whether it will alter his attitude? Time will tell - but let's give him that time first.
18 Jul 2015 20:30:09
It really annoys me seeing players getting slaughtered by fellow reds when they have had one season in the EPL. He is still a kid and still learning. Maybe you should be asking questions of the coaching set up last season because when it comes to player performance last year he wasn't the exception,he was part of the rule.
18 Jul 2015 20:34:22
Totally agree Kemlynrd, Moreno needs to go and go now,he cannot defend to save his life,has no technical ability and for me is a very weak link
18 Jul 2015 20:53:27
I don't get this biased view at all. Moreno is a bad defender and Lovren is a great defender but poor tactics.
Moreno had as many faults as Lovren had last season.
18 Jul 2015 21:14:26
I agree, Moreno is a liability as he consitantly left far to much space in beihind him. Yes, he's quick but often goes missing and forgets his defensive resposibilities. Considering we spent 18 million, I would have expected a better return. BR lost faith in him last season and couldn't rely on Enrique to step in. I think he will depart and a replacement bought in. Having said that Gomez has the potential to step in. YNWA
18 Jul 2015 21:42:24
Moreno & Lovern 32 million wisely invested by our transfer committee neither considered first choice and both terrible at what they are paid to do.defending
18 Jul 2015 21:43:58
"He's only had one season"
"He's in a foreign country"
"It's not him it's the coaching"
"He's underwhelming but we should give him another chance"
"You all said He was better than Bertrand"
"We shouldn't sell for a loss"
"We should back our players no matter how they play"
"Moreno is bad but Lovren is too"
Not one of these points makes an argument for Moreno being good enough.
Come on guys. We are in this to win stuff not to be a donkey sanctuary.
18 Jul 2015 22:02:56
if moreno had proper cover then his mistakes would not be so bad , for me the good thing is he is a young player and he can get better , i saved the match of the days show from last season and we played arsenal and you should see how many time kolo made mistakes and a favourite on here lucas he made so many mistakes i don't know what fans see in him , but last season a lot of the older players made mistakes game after game and you never mentioned them as i say lucas made that many mistakes i don't know how he got games after the arsenal games really also the same goes for kolo , but lucas was played again and afian and in the last 2 games of the season his mistakes ked to 3 goals , now this is a player who is at his best and can not learn new things has he has the experience , so to try and lay the blame at morenos feet then you are wrong , i'm not saying he never made mistakes what i am saying is he made mistakes along with more experienced players who should be playing better , last season was a season of mistakes by the players and let's just hope they cut the mistakes out and play to their best then we will see the real liverpool , but give the kid a chance you never know he might get more goals this season
18 Jul 2015 22:18:49
Wow what a load of rubbish. He was excellent at Sevilla with a good coach. How about laying the blame with the real culprit and not a 20yr old kid.
18 Jul 2015 22:18:55
Why are you all getting on Moreno's back like he is the reason we were so poor last season. After the Spurs game everyone was banging on about how good he is.
Give the lad a chance for fucks sake!
It's disgusting the way some people talk about players on here sometimes.
18 Jul 2015 23:15:57
48 years - still a new boy then, first stood on the boys pen in 1959 - and in my humble opinion, Moreno is nowhere near as bad a defender as you say. We have been lucky since my first days to have a work ethos in the majority of sides in my time, where everybody worked for the team irrespective of their position - Chris Lawler, without doubt the best attacking full back I have ever seen, but by no means the greatest defending full back, but when he went forward different class - worse defenders than Moreno that I have witnessed - Jan Kromkamp, Torben Piechnik, Glynn Hysen, Avi Cohen, Fabio Aurelio, Julian Ducks - all of the above have had great games for Liverpool, but by god, they have all had there fair share of shockers - it's sad to read an LFC fan of so many years slagging off our modern contingent. They lad Moreno is not that bad, modern football dictates full backs are not just defenders anymore.
19 Jul 2015 00:16:26
None of our defenders or goalkeepers are of a high standard. Which is why we leak goals and can't assemble a decent back 4
19 Jul 2015 02:54:43
Well written John B, Moreno is young but had just one season and played in an unsettled sidde with lots if different tactics. A more settled year and good coaching and hopefully will improve.
The biggest issue so far as I can see was the lack of a cohesive 3 man partnership at CB and DM. I still think that's our potential achilles heel this season I'm afraid. We need a really top DM and to play Lovren/Sakho together IMO, should have bough Schneiderlin.
19 Jul 2015 04:30:18
Haha. My season ticket has bigger nuts that yours 😂 give it up ladies. Love the fact that people assume they have a better understanding of football and players and transfers because they have sat in the stadium for a few decades. all that proves is your loyal to your club. I think Moreno being made the scape goat here is laughable considering all the "scapegoats" we have been reading on here since the season ended. Can we all not agree that 95% of our team were rubbish last year and get over it. New season starts soon I'm sure we will have a few more soon
19 Jul 2015 05:00:38
John B I only have one thing to add. djimi traore. Don't even try and make a list of God awful defenders and not include him ;)
19 Jul 2015 05:21:00
Okay, he's had his first season at pool, new league, language, we have leaked goals for years, Moreno has quality and potential. Stop ripping on the Kid, Let him have some time, our defence was harldy a solid unit and that wasn't soley morenos fault. What happened to supporting out players, its a new season, big mac is in, let's see what happens.
19 Jul 2015 07:37:10
Oops - forgot about Djimi - a poor player with a CL medal - " it's a funny old game "
19 Jul 2015 08:05:12
meh. I like Moreno. Plus, on the list of "Liverpool players that made me shout at the TV due to their mistakes" last year, Moreno was way way way below many others. In fact, I can't remember how many times I saw Moreno absolutely bust a gut to get back into defense and cover or make a tackle. He puts in a shift. I remember a time when working your ass off for the shirt earned respect from the fans if nothing else. When did that change?
19 Jul 2015 08:37:50
There was a guy who used to sit next to me in the main stand every week. Season ticket holder for decades. Went to every away game. And yet you would not believe some of the absolute crap that came of his mouth. Loyalty does not always equate to knowledge or understanding.
Moreno is a young lad who has been dropped into a team which has defensively been poor for three seasons. Yes he has made mistakes. Sometimes he dithers far too much in the ball (his mistake at the ethiad being a good example) and he has some terrible habits (see performance at the emirates). But I do not believe they are anything that cannot be coached out of him. The lad has got ability and we need to stand by him. Not crucify him for one season when nobody in our defence came out with any credit whatsoever.
19 Jul 2015 09:20:29
Christian Ziege: a world class player for Germany but just could not adapt to the premier league. Went from class act to rabbit in the headlights.
I would not be ready to dump Moreno yet, it also depends on what he's being asked to do. I believe Rodgers asked the full backs to bomb forward last season.
19 Jul 2015 11:04:47
Ah Djimi Traore. Just shows what a great manager can do. Moreno is a much better player than Djimi but has a very poor manager to work with and set up the team