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19 Jul 2015 14:43:30
Once Benteke is over the line I think it will be a case of trimming the squad, our squad is huge. but I feel sorry for most of the suspected outgoings balo for instance should never have been brought. Borini does well on loan and never gets a chance, lambert a die hard Liverpool fan, gets asked to come on for the last three minutes to make a difference. Hopefully the new signings get a fair crack and we don't have to buy another ridiculous amount of players next summer. And any gaps in the squad should be filled with youth.

A quick question for the ed1 if possible, how do you see the situation with centre backs panning out. I for one would try llori and Sakho. But if that leaves Lovren and skittles as back up where's that leave toure (new contract) Gomez, wisdom and any others I may of forgot. Apologies if this has been answered or my niavity!

{Ed001's Note - I would like Ilori and Sakho but it will be Skrtel plus a n other.}

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19 Jul 2015 15:18:04
I wouldn't feel sorry for them I'm sure they've been rewarded handsomely for doing nothing.

19 Jul 2015 16:26:31
Just shows Ed001 that Rodgers still hasn't worked out why we have conceded so many goals over the past 3 seasons. He has leant nothing and is useless. Wonder what excuses he will use when we're in the bottom half come November?

19 Jul 2015 17:09:57
Essex

Y don't you explain the reason we have been conceding goals than picking up what Ed01 has explained above.
Pointing fingers on a person is the most easiest thing to do.

Do you even have one reason other than Skrtel dropping deep?

FYI,

Skrtel was benched once and we tried other CB and was disaster. Lovren was embarrassed by palace wide players last season.

Ohh wait that's down to tactics btw.

19 Jul 2015 17:29:51
if it will be Skrtel and another, then so be it. make it work then rodgers. there must be a way.

{Ed002's Note - Try a different paradigm with three centre backs.}

19 Jul 2015 17:31:09
I will have a go at explaining it.

First: we don have a vocal keeper that organises what's in front of him. Shilton and Schmeichel would be examples off the type of player. But this still isn't the main reason reason

Second: we don't defend as a unit. This is partially a coaching thing and partially because we keep chopping and changing systems and personnel.

And third but most critical is the personnel. Starting with fullbacks we didn't have reliable fullbacks. Moreno was a bit of a liability and Manquillo never settled. Flanno was injured as was Johnson early doors. We were almost forced into playing 3 at the back which worked for a whi,e until we got figured out.

Chief among all the issues, in my view, is that we did not have a partnership that worked. Sakho and Lovren are the pick but they are very left footed and don't look comfortable together. We tried various things but always ended up having to revert to Skittles as he was the only right footed option. He was less bad than the alternatives. I'd prefer to sell him to force us to find s real solution.

We have sorted RB wo we are in better shape. With the players we have I'd go with Llori (or even Gomez) at right CB and Lovren on the left. Then Sakho at LB (he's played there successfully for France) until Flanno is ready. This would have the beginnings of being the solid platform all teams need.
What I fear will happen is that Skittles will be the first name on the team sheet again and everybody around him will struggle to play with him.

19 Jul 2015 17:40:00
Between August and December will be interesting ???

19 Jul 2015 17:45:46
First, Skittles is constantly out of position. Even in the open training session he flew out the line and left gaps. Second, he doesn't communicate to his defensive partner. Third, he drops off deeper than his defensive partner thus leaving dog legs and becoming isolated. Fourth, he doesn't jump and attack the ball from set pieces or on open play. Fifth, he gets bullied despite his 'macho' image. Sixth, Rodgers insists on playing without a defensive midfielder so the defense is under constant pressure. Joe Allen played that position again in training today instead of Lucas. Carra has pointed all of this out in detail and he played with the guy!

19 Jul 2015 17:53:38
User103

Agree with you on a no of points mate.
We got one top class CB in Sakho and rest all are average players for me.
Lovren lacks pace
Skrtel drop far too deep
Toure is quite old.

Unlike Chelsea who has two slow CB's, their system suits those perfect ( but it's a boring football ) moreover they have a world class Shield in Matic in front of their defense.

We need to play high press and attacking football and when you press Hugh up, you are left exposed on counter attacks. And we basically have none to cover up those gaps.

One reason Lovren excelled at Southampton was due Schnider and Wanyama which we don't have at Liverpool.

We should have made a DM the most important priority this summer.

19 Jul 2015 18:08:33
It's better to drop deep than go for that audacious tackle early, miss them completely and then run back like horse trying out a tackle and saving the day.
Lovren does it often and was beaten 9/10 by his targets.

I don't remember the last time Lovren jumped and cleared the first ball on a set pieces or free kicks.

I agree on you with Skrtel being a poor defender but never in a million years I would agree Lovren is better than Skrtel.

Not a chance.

19 Jul 2015 18:39:01
Agree with User and EG to a point. User, many of the issues you pointed out such as mixing systems, not defending as a unit, playing Allen and SG instead of a true DM, and personnel are ALL down to BR's incompetence regarding defensive football. Also, Ed mentioned that Lovren was signed to play LCB because he wanted Sahko sold (why? I don't know) yet Sahko is the best CB we have and Skrtel the poorest. Chelsea defend deep, play CBs with no pace with a true DM in Matic so at least, we know what they are doing. BR does not hence, the constant changes he makes that gets us nowhere. EG is spot on with the club not getting a true DM and better GK this window to help the defense. Southampton play the high press but have Wanyama and Morgan to cover the gaps left. We don't. Carra is also right in everything he said about Skrtel because even I have seen those faults in him and if BR thinks he's the best we have, then you now know how incompetent BR is with fixing our defence.

19 Jul 2015 19:09:32
Redohio

What worries me, BR has assured quite a few on regular Games and position which ll be a major inbalamce.
We cannot field 3 attack minded midfielders in a team.

The reason we struggle, we have a huge squad but quite a lot are off similar players.

For example, We have 3 B2B midfielders while we got only one DM and one CM.

19 Jul 2015 19:13:18
Red: Agreed on your first point.

EG and Red: I don't fully disagree on the point that other systems in front of the back line may have exacerbated problems.

Protecting our defence better is an answer but not the answer. I don't think either of you are suggesting that anyway. We need a solid back 4 and then to build on that. Skrtel has no place in a solid anything in my view and I don't think we have solved LB either.

19 Jul 2015 19:18:07
Redohio

You cannot criticize Gerrard being deployed at the base as the man was picking Suarez and Sturridge with ease. His passing range is works better class and I don't see any other player matching it.

Gerrard's poor form was one of our biggest downfall last season.

When you play a diamond your player at the base shouldn't be static like Lucas, break up and then? You need to pick the runners in seconds something which requires excellent passing skills. Such as Pirlo, Gerrard and Alonso.

19 Jul 2015 16:36:42
Ed 1 do you reckon the new coaches may help Rodgers see that he may not be the best going forward? I just don't think he suits the system

{Ed001's Note - I think it is too late for that now Skittles has his new contract. I just hope the coaches can help organise the rest of the defence better, the way Rafa did, to make up for Skrtel's deficiencies.}

19 Jul 2015 19:30:44
User

I agree on the point, if you wanna play high up the pitch with the back line holding s high line which ll reduce the gap between midfield and defense also when your full backs bon forward, there is NO PLACE FOR SKRTEL,

But to accomplish the above you need a world class DM. Someone who is quick to react and cover up the full backs when they are left behind.

Playing high line is a dangerous game.

19 Jul 2015 19:36:24
Don't think so Ed01, We have two offensive full backs and they would bomb high up leaving gaps behind and skretel would be dragged out of his position.
We are going to face the exact problem of past two seasons.

How much we missed in not bringing a player like Schnider in the place of Allen. He is such an asset to a club.

If we don't end up buying a CM/DM, then we are in trouble for the upcoming season in terms of conceding goals.

{Ed002's Note - It is interesting how you are all missing my comment.}

19 Jul 2015 19:49:58
EG, I'm not saying I want to play a high line.

I'm saying that whatever line you play you need a solid backline and so, whichever way you look at it Skrtel shouldn't be there.

I

19 Jul 2015 20:11:15
SKRTEL poor?

What does that make the others?

19 Jul 2015 19:54:28
Ed02,

3 at the back mate? I think we tried and failed it. Also it would make very player play out of position 😂😂😂😂. BR has a habit of playing players out of position.

19 Jul 2015 21:48:21
EG, I did not slate SG but slated BR for playing him and Allen over Lucas who IS a true DM. I also agree with all thepoints you raised. We have bought players yet we have not fixed the areas we are lacking in for the past two years, as you posted. What does that tell you? It says that LFC and BR have learnt NOTHING and as you say, we could be in trouble for the third season running.

Davey,

Skrtel is aweful and we all know it except BR. Even Carra who played with the guy for years,couldn't stand him. I think I'll take his word over yours or anyone else's. N btw, because BR prefers him doesn't mean he is the best we have because he isn't. It just means he has no idea about defensive footie and in case you were wondering, Sahko, Lovren (in the right system), Toure (great thus out his career) are all better than him.

20 Jul 2015 05:57:41
Redohio

He want a playmaker instead of a true DM, So have an offer for Kovacic on the table. Gerrard was great on the attacking side at the role but equally poor on the defensive side. Allen was his expectations to be a Pirlo which never happened.







 

 

 
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