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25 Jul 2015 07:14:06
In this debate what was our main problem last year defence or our forward game, I am strongly with the latter. First, you have the statistics. Compared to the top4 we conceded 10-16 goals more (less if you take out the six against Stoke which wasn't typical) but scored 10-31 goals less (31 less than city, 20 less than chelsea, 19 less than Arseanl). In 14 league games, a third, we did not concede at all.

Second, even you do say our defence was not great, for me the main problem were not the back 4 but how easily and how often teams run through our midfeild and how often they were near our box. In chelsea, because they are so dominant in midfield, teams get much less near the box (and yes aI agree their back 4 and GK are also better than ours but een them would have conceded more had they have so much attacks near the box).

Also my own impresson of watching the matches, I never thought our defending was shocking but it was really hard to watch us going forward. So wastefull, so many times not knowing what to do with the balls. Our first halfs last year were particulalry awful which also contributed to us concede more. When you concede first you have to take mroe risks defensively in order to come back, this doesn't help. If Benteke and Inges together score 15-20 goals more than our forwards last year I am happy with us conceeding as many.

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25 Jul 2015 07:31:02
We have a very ordinary midfield pair in Lucas - Allen / Henderson. Don't shoot me but that's a fact. They are neither hard tacklers or creative enough to get the game moving.
Teams by pass our midfield very easily and reach our 6 yard box ( goal against Brisbane ) is a typical example.
Adding as many attackers and strikers would never make the team balanced.
We need a creative CM like Carzola and a string DM to challenge for the title. Till then it's a long hard battle for the fourth spot.

25 Jul 2015 07:48:56
I fully agree with this European Glory. The gap betwent he quality of our midfielders and those of the other top teams is higher than the gap between our defenders and the others defenders or our forwards and theirs.

25 Jul 2015 08:07:56
I'll agree from last year where we played Gerard at DM and Allen in midfield, but this year with Milner, Coutinho and Hendo available (who I do think is as good as anyone) and Lucas, Can, Llalana also in the wings if required, we'll be very competitive with the top 4. Only arguable slight weakness would be at DM where Schneiderlin, Matic, Toure are arguably marginally stronger than Lucas.

Around the rest of the pitch our forwards are competitive now IMO with Benteke and Ings on board to backup Sturridge. Our FB's are just about good enough now with Clyne on board and hopefully Moreno improves with more time in the PL under his belt.

The areas that still really worry me however are
1) We clearly don't have a solid partnership formed at CB yet - when are we going to give up on Lovren/Skrtel playing together? Give me Skrtel/Sakho, or Lovren/Sakho, or just play Illori instead.anything but Skrtel/Lovren and I'll be happier
2) if BR tries to play Allen regularly this season, I think we'll be in trouble. I like the guy but he's not solid enough for DM, or dangerous enough going forward to justify being a top 4 starter IMO

25 Jul 2015 08:11:42
Think quality is a bit harsh as have some really good midfield players, personally think Henderson is a top player and same with Lucas (when fit) - Milner looks good and even my Everton mates think Can looks quality.

Problem is Can, Milner, and Henderson seem suited to the box to box role and besides Lucas don't have a DM. Not as current as I'd like but remember eds saying Lucas may go and seeing the money paid Milner and Henderson may be our midfield, worry that both are very similar and we could have benefited massively by buying a DM to cover the back four. Attack wise we have an abundance of talent and personally think we have some good defenders (think sakho and toure/ilori should be tried) but midfield is a bit unbalanced.

Worries me as we do have some good midfield players but not sure how it can all fit together, and in fairness midfield links defence and attack so if that fails - it's game over man!

25 Jul 2015 08:49:28
It's the defence without question, look how many goals Suarez and Sturridge scored and we still couldn't win the league, why? Because the defence and keeper weren't good enough, and the nucleus of that defence are still in the side so why people still think we will do well next season baffles me, hope we do but I'm fearing the worst.

25 Jul 2015 09:17:51
To all above

We have quite a lot midfield players name who are very much similar. None are creative typical CM.

Lucas is slow, he would never reach the danger coming into him quickly leading to concede free kicks and then goal.

25 Jul 2015 09:52:35
Waro

You are wrong there mate, majority of the goals conceded were lack of a strong tackler in the midfield which Gerrard is not. But Gerrard was one reason we scored 100 goals. He was sublime in picking up players perfect in fast counter attacking set up.

If your midfield is good enough the ball would not reach the back 4.

Terry is 36 year old and cannot run while Cahill is a very ordinary player. Their full backs doesn't cross the half line either. So who saves their life?

Matic doesn't allow someone to reach them.

This club at some pint in future will recognize the important of such player and would buy one, till then we ll concede even if you play Varane or Thiago silva.

25 Jul 2015 10:04:49
Henderson not a hard tackler? Not creative? One of the best midfielders in those areas in the prem. We have enough creativity in front of him anyway.

Lucas may not be quick but positionally he is fantastic. Those free kicks he concedes break down play and most likely save us 5+ goals a season.

25 Jul 2015 11:03:35
Matic doesn't stop everything as you think EG. The Chelsea defenders and the keeper stopped more goals being conceded than one player. The idea of thinking that one player solves everything is nonsense. It is a team game afterall.

25 Jul 2015 12:11:47
You are deluded if you think Matic makes all the difference in the world for Chelsea. They are setup that way to be defensive, and Matic helps.

25 Jul 2015 13:16:06
Ag
So who do you think would help our set up. Our full backs will bomb up ( we bought offensive full backs ) that leace gaps behind them and would pull skrtel / Lovren out from their position.

25 Jul 2015 15:56:51
EG makes a good point. Southampton won't be as good if Wanyama and Morgan weren't there to cover the fullbacks bombing forward and protecting the CBs which made Lovren and Fonte look good even tho Fonte is more than competent. That is a simple illustration of EGs point.

25 Jul 2015 17:44:30
Skrtel does need "pulling" out of position, he has an inate ability to do that naturally. It must work though as Brendan let's it carry on, and on, and.

25 Jul 2015 18:27:40
Spot on zimbo, couldn't agree more!







 

 

 
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