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25 Jul 2015 10:51:18
Why does BR not understand that to be a successful manager in the premier league you need a solid defence, and the ability to go away and play a defensive counter attack style from time to time, Mourinho can do it, and is multi title winner, United and Arsenal's successes came from a solid defensive base. You could drive a double decker bus through the middle of our defence?
And still no changes, I don't think Benteke will be BR's downfall, it will be his inability to set a team up other than to attack/press. STILL NO PLAN B?????

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25 Jul 2015 11:11:07
Are you serious? Have u seen the strength of our bench? If we go into the season with a midfield 3 of can milner Henderson with coutinho firmino and benteke then we will have the likes of markovic, ibe, lallana, ings and sturridge will be in the mix when he's back. Ibe and markovic add pace. Are u seriously trying to suggest that benteke doesn't offer anything more than ings or sturridge? That he is a similar player? If things aren't going well bow we can easily switch to a more direct style, which benteke can play to perfectly. So don't say we don't have a "plan B" because we have a better backup plan than most of the other top teams

25 Jul 2015 11:38:30
Did you read my post??? You haven't mentioned the centre of defence once??? Benteke gives us variation in attack but what about our central defensive partnership?? Sakho our best defender is apparently interested in a move to Lazio, which leaves Skrtel and Loveren, They were all over the place at times last season and this has not been adressed. they were all over the place yesterday against a malaysian XI?

Are u seriously trying to suggest that benteke doesn't offer anything more than ings or sturridge?

Where did I say that?

Some think that we will need to change our style of play to suit Benteke which I agree with.

My point was about the defence and was quite clear so respond to that.

25 Jul 2015 11:59:52
Why do you have to sign players in order to improve the defence/team?

You don't.

Training, teamwork, tactics, coaching are the bedrock of a good defence - George Graham proved it many times.
Pre-season performances don't mean a lot either. Just wait until we've kicked a ball this season before you slate the manager/team/defence.

25 Jul 2015 12:12:26
jowens if i read dave above right, the post is about no plan B for defence. Most of us know there is a plan a,b,c to z for midfield/attack, read the posts , we argue over it all the time.

during pre-season (and it is only pre-season) our best centre half has played a minor role and scored a booming header. his replacement has been played in majority of games and has been poor (by many accounts) at either end.

at the moment is does look like we are short in DM and people will argue over Lucas/Can/Allen/A.N.Other. it is a priority position that needs sorting quickly, especially due to us conceding so many goals.

there are positives in the full back areas, clyne settling in, moreno getting sharper, joe gomez a revelation. negative probably wisdom getting next to zero chance so far.

put out any mix of our mid/forwards and we will score, maybe even for fun. which is exactly why it is vital that we get our defence solid. skyrtle and lovern are preferred by some, others prefer Sakho and Ilori. time will tell which pair are more solid.

25 Jul 2015 12:57:25
Skrtel was all over the shop a few times again last night and that won't change. There was a time where Lovren plays the offside and instead of Skrtel just stopping and let the guy run offside, he stupidly follows him and keeps him onside which led to a tame shot at goal. The guy is useless at communicating and anticipating runs. In the same game, instead of dropping off on a long ball to see where the bounce would go. He goes to win it rashly, the guy just bodies him off the ball and is thru on goal until Lovren comes in and saves the day. For an experienced defender, he defends like a schoolboy. I know semi pro defenders that defended better than him in my time. Trust me folks, if I can see that, you bet other coaches have seen that and they will target him all season.

25 Jul 2015 13:03:34
Ron

Graham was a very good coach in terms of setting up defences. But the first thing he did was get himself some raw material to work with. Dixon, Adams, Bould, Winterburn.

Coaching alone won't be enough to turn the centre back pairings Brenda will play into good defenders. It will make them less bad that's all.

25 Jul 2015 13:45:54
User013. Couldn't agree more. Firstly you need the raw materials to work with. Skrtel and lovren aren't it.Secondly brendan has demonstrated he is woefully inadequate to sort out our back line. Comparing him to George Graham is laughable.

25 Jul 2015 14:04:35
Ron, If BR even utters the word defence in any Training, teamwork, tactics, I will happily eat my underpants.

25 Jul 2015 14:52:11
ohio: and lovren communicates? you just don't like skrtel. no probs I don't like BR. Rafa never had these probs with him. if he would of won that header then what? Some players have NO heart BR buys them. Maybe not the best defender in the league but having to carry the can for poor tactics and players around him that should be further up the field!

25 Jul 2015 13:58:55
I said exactly the same mate but as ever on this site got called every name blah blah blah. Considering it's an online blog/forum whatever you're very rarely allowed an opinion and they are certainly not respected.
Personally I thought Inigo Martinez and Alderwielde would have been very good realistic targets, then take your pick from the remaining 4 as who stays. Opinion only but I would have gone sakho and Ilori, with Gomez able to slot in also.
I to an extent like skrtel, toure and wisdom but find them unnecessary to be honest when you consider who we could/should have brought in. I'm afraid I think nothing of lovren and the sooner he goes the better.
Dm wise I like Lucas, would have loved to see a Kondogbia type come in, big strong and powerful. However with Henderson and milner I believe Lucas will have a decent enough season.
All in all things desperately needed to change, I personally haven't seen enough during pre season to suggest that anything has. Pre season games mean a lot, especially with us playing nothing but first team players. Whatever they learn from the training ground should be getting used on the pitch, thus far it's an instant replay of the last 3 seasons.
Gonna say I really hope I'm wrong but a season of failure beckons I'm afraid.

25 Jul 2015 14:12:34
Red

Whet exactly BR has to do in the training ground to help our defenders? Why do we have assistant and coaches then?

Do you seriously want him to write on a piece of paper and give it to the players?

Jeeezzz

25 Jul 2015 15:10:15
Basically LFC heirarchy employed a manager without a CV that contained actually winning trophies, or even a winning percentage of games played.

I know every ( most at least ) managers have to learn their craft to become successful, very very few do it from anonymity, Rodgers has absolutely no record of success at every side he has managed.

Unfortunately, and sadly for all us die hard fans, and everyone connected to LFC, we will have to wait and endure at least another season of poor tactics, and no plan A, never mind a plan B.

25 Jul 2015 15:11:19
Didn't we bring in 3 new COACHES to our first team set up???! Seems fairly drastic to me. Just sayin.
None of our cb's are bad, none are fantastic either don't get me wrong. But with the right coaching, communication and set up, they can indeed become "good".

Natural

25 Jul 2015 15:32:48
Scouse, you are wrong. I don't dislike any player. Skrtel doesn't pick himself hence, BR is at fault, period. I don't care for either of them, really. Winning the header or not is not the point. It is the fact that he was badly positioned that is and has always been the prob. Is that so hard to fathom because I'm not the only one saying it? You say he's tough yet gets bullied by every big man he faces makes no sense. Saying that he never had a prob with Rafa's tactics shows how much you know about defensive systems. Now, Rafa plays a deep defensive system with two DM's just like Chelsea do because they have no pace to play the high line like Skrtel and Agger or Carra did not. BR wants to play the high line yet plays defenders like Skrtel or Lovren who don't communicate along with a GK who is woeful with the ball at his feet. How does that make any sense. Also, your thinking that Skrtel carries the can for BR and other players is laughable because he is the one who doesn't communicate hence, making his fellow defenders poor. I bet you if you put Ramos or Kompany next to him, he would make them look bad as well just like an equally poor Mangala makes him look useless at City. And to finish, if Skrtel was that good, how did he get benched for a semi retired Jaime Carra for the final three months of his final season? Care to answer that?

25 Jul 2015 15:45:39
You have hit the nail on the head The Natural. If you have the same defenders under Rafa he would find a way to concede less goals. It might be at the expense of being more gung ho or playing a more counter attacking style but we would concede less. Hopefully the new coaches might be able to instill some defensive ideas. Who knows!

25 Jul 2015 16:38:55
As I have always said about Rodgers his arrogance doesn't allow him to learn anything new.

25 Jul 2015 16:57:43
Just to turn it on its head. If Skrtel was that bad why has he played consistently under Rafa, Hodgson, Kenny and now Rodgers? Are they all bad judges of a player. So Skrtel got left out for 3 months! doesn't every player lose form. The fact remains 4 managers have picked him regularly. Far better at picking a good player than me i would guess. Some on this forum might think they are better than the 4 managers.

25 Jul 2015 19:09:57
Let's be fact based.

Skrtel played 54 league matches out of 114 possible under Rafa. His highest total of league appearances in any of those seasons was 21.

In Rafa we trusted. He clearly didn't trust Skittles 100 percent. And that was 5 years ago anyway. And at that time has was the lesser partner to much more talented CB partners.

Neither Woy nor Kenny were around long enough to bring in other options so I'm not buying that anywhere.

As I've said before, Skittles' commitment to the club is beyond doubt and I'm grateful for all his efforts. But he's like a cow on ice and he is not the Rock on which any defence should be built.

25 Jul 2015 21:58:46
User
Between Roy and Kenny was 2 full seasons. It is more than enough.

25 Jul 2015 23:50:43
I don't think that he is useless or awful, i am just not sure he will ever succeed at the high press and i think someone else needs to be tried.i haven't seen enough of Ilori to have an opinion and i am not sold on Wisdom fully. Gomes looked great in the two games i watched down here and you can see a future but maybe not yet. Maybe start with Skirts and bleed in his replacement.

26 Jul 2015 19:42:40
You have just been debunked again, Scouse and your pathetic reason that Rafa and the others played him more just got shredded by User's stats. Face the facts, borough Skittles is a loser and poor and the fact that BR who is useless at coaching defence plays him all the time over better cbs only shows and confirms his incompetence in thesis area.







 

 

 
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