29 Jul 2015 14:42:41
Hey All,
2 things have inspired this post, the first was Mourinho accusing Wenger of trying to buy the title (man that guy is steadily eroding all the good will he had) and secondly calls that the amount of money we have spent means we should be competing for the title.
I decided to have a look at the comparative cost of the current big 4's and our first 11. I don't post this to prove anything or draw conclusions, I was just thinking about it and decided to let you know what I found. I tried to think of each club's likely first 11 for this season and got the transfer cost from soccerbase. Here's what I found:
5. Arsenal - £145.2m
4. Liverpool - £148.5m
3. Chelsea - £199.5m
2. Utd - £233.4m
1. City - £246m
Utd would have been top but I left out Di Maria as I think he's off.
29 Jul 2015 15:54:48
Some context would have been handy
29 Jul 2015 16:15:14
Who would make our 11 though? Difficult to look at just 11 and show the above because the likes of Markovic, Allen, Lovren, Origi and perhaps Lallana would be on our bench and that’s near a £100m. Similar for the other teams too of course.
Mourinho is just a hypocrite. Was happy to spend obscene amounts of money when he first came to the premier league to buy the title but now he’s unhappy others are trying to do the same? Not that I even believe Wenger is. Also read an article that in the last 10 years, no manager has spent more on transfers than Mourinho, so very rich for him to be making such statements.
{Ed002's Note - He isnot unhappy, he is simply goading naive and easily led fans like you. I have told you repeatedly, hanging off his every word and believing it will end up in tears for you.}
29 Jul 2015 16:21:57
How about the many millions we have spent on bench warmers and talent for the future??
29 Jul 2015 16:35:13
Not exactly sure what you mean by ending in tears for me? Maybe he’s not unhappy and is playing some mind games, fair enough, however my point remains that he has spent significantly more than most managers himself so it’s hypocritical to suggest other managers spending money is “buying the titleâ€. Not sure how that makes me easily led or naïve.
{Ed002's Note - He is teasing the easily led and maive into reacting like you have rather than just ignoring it - I understand you see it as a means to protect Liverpool - whereas when asked about I know exactly how he will respond "he bought success - Liverpool bought mediocrity". This is where the notion of "laughing stock" comes in. I would ignore it all.}
29 Jul 2015 16:42:16
What context are you looking for Bob, the players I used? I can expand if people want to know, just didn't want to type it all out if no one cared.
Ed2, don't mind if you don't want to answer but do you smile when Mourinho says these things or wish he'd troll a little less?
{Ed002's Note - I might browse the transcripts of interviews given by managers or press conferences but don't read the press per se. He enjoys teasing people and goading folk for a reaction - it is no more than getting a little psychological edge. I keep advising folks to ignore it but they can't help themselves and react. That leads to getting agitated; then angry; then protective of Liverpool; then it is the fault of someone else; then when questioned about the expenditure by Arsenal or Liverpool fans/reporters (and this is coming), Mourinho will admit that he did indeed buy success, something both of the other clubs have tried but failed to do; then the blood pressure goes up; then the fans start kicking stuff (doors or little sisters); and eventually the explode.
And then the cycle starts all over again.}
29 Jul 2015 17:06:05
To be fair I understand your point, but I thought he was more goading Wenger than anyone as he sees him as a genuine contender this year alongside City. Certainly not protecting Liverpool here, we’ve spent pathetically and haven’t grown as a club the way we should have. Chelsea, on the other hand, have spent and built themselves up wisely. No comparison to Liverpool at all.
{Ed002's Note - He is goading anyone who will bite Rayman1.}
29 Jul 2015 17:09:15
Jose knows how to use the money while rest of them all just spend. I am very sure Liverpool has spend much more than those numbers.
29 Jul 2015 17:13:26
Well he definitely is going to have Rafa’s wife bite soon. That response (albeit unnecessary) was hilarious.
29 Jul 2015 17:22:59
I can't see why any one reacts to what mourinho says as he's right and the truth hurts so why be bothered about it, he's won the prem league more times than liverpool have in the last 25 years. We have spent excessive and so has he its just he spent it well i.e even tho the player they bought frm athletico last year didn't wrk he sold him bk for a similar price liverpool buy ballotelli and will make around a 65% loss in selling him!! So y let someone like him make u angry when he is simply being honest!! How many times have man u man city and arsenal in the early 2000's bought the title and us liverpool fans have moaned bout it as we have never won it due to poor buys and management!
29 Jul 2015 17:29:32
jose is very good with his words. he is very different with his players, ignore how he portrays himself, i'd say listen to ed002, don't read too much into what he says. also use the search function and read what ed001 has to say about how mourinho really is.
29 Jul 2015 17:30:07
Cheers for taking the time to Respond Ed2
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
29 Jul 2015 17:30:08
Jose knows how to spend wisely. Hmm Cuadrado? Selling De Bruyne? I believe they lost money on Filipe Luis too. It's not all wise EG!
{Ed002's Note - Felipe Luis wanted to return for more game time. KdB made demands - and Chelsea don't accept demands nor make promises they cannot keep - so he was sold for a very significant profit and the problem removed.}
29 Jul 2015 18:01:11
essex
It wouldn't matter as they recoup from sales. Apart from Torres which happened 6 years ago, they have been fantastic in transfer market.
Juan Mata, David Luiz
29 Jul 2015 18:02:27
Exaxtly ed2 this is the point i was trying to make!! At least chelsea make money on their "flops" unlike liverpool who have been poor at sellinf their ones! what's the point in beating down the successful teams of the moment jealousy is what makes lfc supporters a laughing stock these days instead of appaulding other teams success i'm sure if in 2004 liverpool signed mourino instead of benitez this debate wouldn't be happening right now.
29 Jul 2015 18:37:09
EG you implied that Mourinho always spends wisely. I'm happy to correct you on that point. Having said that he's much better than Rodgers.
29 Jul 2015 19:32:53
Hahaha I love Ed 002.
29 Jul 2015 19:34:50
Stop listening to Mourinho people. Makes your existence much simpler
29 Jul 2015 19:34:57
I never blame mou for what he says. I blame and laugh at people who give him their time and energy. Oh and if they have spent loads of cash, so have we so don`t know why people are offended by him saying we are spending serious money? He isn`t wrong, is he?
29 Jul 2015 19:46:06
shevshenko Torres ?
29 Jul 2015 20:05:53
Mourinho is the king of mind games, probably why he and Ferguson get on so well. I believe the actual quote as well was not saying it's entirely wrong to buy success, but when Chelsea did it its all that was spoken about. This time the rules are different, FFP meant that clubs had to reign in their spending relative to their earnings, Chelsea have done so very effectively.
29 Jul 2015 20:07:22
Don't go crazy, But hasn't Jose got the right to be a little out there given all the success he's had? Everywhere he's gone he's been great, in terms of football. Yeah he opens his mouth, but would people really want a black and white world were people don't say anything!
I admire his philosophy, And his CV!
I can appreciate good work when I see it, I can't begrudge him. And I think LFC has spent a lot more than what's been stated and we genuinely have nothing to show for it.
29 Jul 2015 20:34:58
Whatever anyone says, Mourinho is still classless.
29 Jul 2015 21:17:01
In today game you have to. Ore or less buy success?!? Show me proof otherwise?
Exception would be spending less to gain success but you still spend.
30 Jul 2015 07:44:09
Mourinho and his mind games = Alex Ferguson with a Portuguese accent
30 Jul 2015 09:09:53
I am not ar*** what other Managers say, I just take it with a grain of salt. Our own Manager entertains the press and opposing fans in a stupid way. I bet Stoke fans are sh** scared of us, now that we have the "World Class!" Origi, sitting on the bench. I listen to Mourinho defend a dive or a stamp, after a game he didn't lose and smile. He's judged by results and by his own fans. Brian Clough was the same, he used to make me smile and at the same time think he was a C***.
30 Jul 2015 09:18:24
Manager's statements to the press mean nothing, I take none of them seriously. They are usually not making statements because they have something important to say, they are making statements because they are contractually obliged to do so.
As for comparing transfer fees, it is far too simplistic. What about wages, signing on fees, agent fees etc.
Sturridge cost 12 million in transfer fee, does that mean he is a 12 million pound player?