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08 Aug 2015 17:04:32
Saw the UTD match and just like Mata who will never cut on the flanks BR ll play Lallana on the flanks.

Those who says you don't need pace on the flanks are joking. Ashley young and Puncheon are genuine wide players while Lallana and Mata are creative No.10

Thanks Eds and Reds

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08 Aug 2015 17:43:06
You got a huge host of players with not that much place who have been some of the best players in the game and a longer list of quick players who are muck. I don't think it needs to be gone through again to be honest. not to mention completely different styles of different teams

08 Aug 2015 18:05:09
I have to somewhat agree with Harry. Some players do it without pace but the most successful teams have pace on the wings.

08 Aug 2015 18:08:46
Shanek

Well I don't want to start any sort of arguments with comparisons of players from the early 2000's.
Just giving an honest opinion, every time I see Lallana play on the flanks he has been pretty average and certainly not at the expense of Ibe.
Ashley young made the difference for UTD today and so did Puncheon for palace. Walcott, Pedro, doulas costa, Willian, name any.
Played Mata out wide and got himself a sack - Moyes.

08 Aug 2015 19:03:30
Oh my. Now Puncheon is the chosen one.

We are going to be hearing about him until the next window.

08 Aug 2015 19:12:27
User103

Lols, y do you underestimate other player mate? Puncheon is not a world beater, but he took Lovren to kindergarden when we met them twice last season.

08 Aug 2015 20:03:56
EG am I going to have to post that list of wide players without pace who excelled in that position again? and got into fifa world 11s?

You really need to drop this pace thing,it's embarrassing. Tell me how did the whole UTD team play exactly? They got thoroughly beaten for the majority of the match and relied on a poor pass from (vertonghen) I think and then walker to boot it in the net. Mata actually performed ok,it's clear he prefers to play in the hole though,but he's more than capable wide.

08 Aug 2015 20:04:27
oh and 1 more thing,stop liking you own posts so much when they receive so many dislike clicks,that too get annoying

08 Aug 2015 20:06:43
oh and btw,ashley young made the difference for utd today. what match were you watching. seriously? AY barely made an impact.it's why so many pundits think Spurs threw away the match,UTD were abysmal

08 Aug 2015 20:08:02
Must be good then.

08 Aug 2015 20:15:53
Bob

I am sorry but you ll find out tomorrow mate.
UTD were poor and the goal came from right flank.
Young had a stunning fans who took walker time and time again with shaw overlapping.
Which match Sree you watching mate.

08 Aug 2015 20:16:45
Bob

The reality is even UTD supporters agrees with my views of playing Mata in the hole and not out wide.
Go check the UTD banter page.

08 Aug 2015 21:21:41
EG, your post is not coherent. First you say wide players need to have pace YET you say Mata who has no pace and was played wide right, had a good game. So which is it? Your idea that wide players need pace to succeed has been debunked royally and I can do that again but won't bother. I don't know what you were watching but Utd hcontinued where they left off last season as in, being aweful yet winning. Spurs were the better team and I thoroughly enjoyed watching them play so don't know where Young made an impact in such an aweful game by his team. Gain, pace is not needed to play wide because Beckham couldn't outrun me in my youth yet could put the ball on a dime from the right wing. N btw, your new hero Puncheon has little no pace as well but is decent out wide so again, you have contradicted your self. Bob is right and you're wrong, AGAIN.

08 Aug 2015 21:33:36
Lol the goal came from the right flank. Mata's flank (Seriously what am I debating with here)
Young did nothing all game he dived a few times.
No 1 is denying mata plays better in the hole,I said that myself,what I am absolutely criticising is your unfounded opinion you need pace to be a wide player.

Do you want me to put up that list again that you never replied to last time of the best wide players of the last 20 years or so?
Here's the snippet.
Figo,Beckham,Nedved. I'll name more if you like.what do they all have in common? not blessed with pace.
you cited Bale as a winger with pace,however he did his best work in the free role at Spurs,where he was never really playing on the wing,the exact same role given to ronaldo and even further back Mcmanaman.
all had their best seasons in the free role not the wing.

There is absolutely nothing backing up your view you need pace to be a successful winger.

08 Aug 2015 22:07:42
So, all we need is a team full of right footed players (regular readers will know that left footed players are bad on the ball) and players out wide with pace.

So here's what we can do.

1. Play players out of position.
2. Use our pacy players as wing backs (this may of course involve playing them out of position).

Doesn't that all sound a bit "last season" to be a good plan?

08 Aug 2015 22:11:01
Redohio

Seems your read it wrong mate. Mata was the weak link in today's game and everyone agree to it. Mata will never cut it at wide positions and you could see a change at UTD soon if they bring in Pedro.

08 Aug 2015 23:03:37
I think you're missing the point eg that obviously pace helps in any position but it's not the be all and end all you're making it out to be. Two players with the exact same attributes one fast but one slow obviously the faster player has more to offer but what is the point of pace with no end product which a host of players in the prem have at the moment. Would you rather Alan shearer or agbonlahor up front? You can make a case on a singular basis but you seriously have to stop throwing out these statements and say they basically apply to the whole of world football or you will repeatedly get slated.
Ibe over lalanna if that's your opinion fine. Pedro over Mata also fine. But that does not then mean that it is impossible to have a wide player who doesn't have pace or imply there is basically nothing lalanna Mata or any other slow player has anything to offer out wide.
Suarez who if I remember you also loved played wide quite often very successfully for Ajax without blistering pace.

08 Aug 2015 23:09:49
Sorry who agrees mata was the weak link today EG?

09 Aug 2015 00:40:18
I think mata struggled but the entire team did. And Harry clarified that he meant sakho was too left footed in the sense that his right foot is bad, and he relies on his left too much as a result, which can't really be disputed.

Now, i understand some of you (user013 in this instance) need to belittle him to make your lives feel that bit more important, but take it easy on Harry. He's entitled to his opinion. And if you're going to reference his quote then you are required to understand what he meant. He clarified what he meant but you wouldn't have been able to bash him if it didn't mean what you wanted it to, so you just changed it to whatever you felt was needed to make a point. At least before you bash someone take the time to understand what he said.

09 Aug 2015 01:46:43
I thought mata looked one of their better players for the most part, even played on the wing. Certainly did more than young, depay, Rooney, shweinsteiger. Both mata and lallana are better central but both are still very good players outwide. United have all always used more traditional wingers whereas we play more central with lallana likely to pull inside and let clyne overlap. Same goes for the left side with Moreno.

09 Aug 2015 09:19:18
EG, the thing that you ignore about Lallana was that he demonstrably was one of our better players last season. You can say he lacks pace 1,000 times but it doesn't change the fact that he delivers.

09 Aug 2015 10:49:52
Muscat

I have never denied Lallana the player and his abilities. But what's the use of yo don't play the player to their strength.
He is certainly not suited on the flanks and I would stick to my point of view on the position which requires immense pace. He takes far too much time on the ball and wide players run like a bullet.
He is a creative player and I would play him in the middle, if there are no space available then he is in the bench.

One major difference between me and quite lot here as I am only concerned with the positions in football and not any names unless you are the best out there.

Play a LB at LB and not Messi.

Jose does that perfect.

09 Aug 2015 11:35:36
EG, what game were you watching yesterday? Young was one of the worst players on the pitch and gave up possession almost every time he had it. Would not and will not make the starting XI for United this season if further reinforcements arrive.

09 Aug 2015 11:55:03
Back

Yes and I expect him to be benched for someone like Pedro and push Depay to wide left and Mata centrally.

But he was the best of the bad bunch yesterday.

09 Aug 2015 13:49:04
EG, not a soul played well for Utd last night and NOBODY was the best of any bunch in their team. The best of any bunch ALL came from the Spurs team who made Utd look more useless than they actually were.







 

 

 
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