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25 Aug 2015 11:45:26
Some people on here after the game say we played badly and quote statistics like possession, shot allowed on goal, uncompleted passes etc.

Yet when I use statistics to analyse a player it's often dismissed as statistics are an invalid method of analysis. You can't pick and choose when to apply them? You either apply them to all arguments or none not just when it suits your argument.

I didn't see the game last night, nor have I looked at the stats but before the game I was happy with a draw at a ground where we hardly ever play well or get any luck and we got it.

Had man utd got this result last night people would be saying scraping points against teams that you struggle against is how you win titles. Why can't we apply the same logic and just be satisfied that we got one more point than any of us expected to get and move onto the next game.

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25 Aug 2015 12:15:47
Nevada I personally use statistics to back up a point,for example,when I say we were getting overloaded on the left clyne vs Monreal,and that we shouldn't have sat back and invited pressure,and to show that we offered nothing in the second half going forward. This isn't an abuse of stats its teamed up with an analysis of what was actually happening on the field that I have described.

It's not just a blind stat for example,skrtels the best defender because he completes 77% of passes etc etc. there is some I HOPE TACTICAL discussion it backs up. I don't think any one who watched the game tactically or statistically can deny they kitchen sinked us in the second half.

As ED001 said Man utd thumped teams and won as well as winning when poor.we've played poorly and won 2 games and drawn one,2 of which we shouldn't have got those results,but did on poor reffing desicions. I haven't seen a man utd chelsea City Arsenal esque title winning performance yet in our opening 3.

If we start dictating the play,tempo,passing ,and look incisive in the final 3rd ill say we are playing well. we aren't at the moment

25 Aug 2015 12:17:50
Because they never satisfied in here Nevada, I agree with you, it was a good result, heck its a very good start to the season. Yes a little disappointment , Arsenal were there for the taking in the first half, we could n't score, but we were very lucky their goal was deemed offside (I don't think it was).

25 Aug 2015 12:36:16
I watched it and i'll give you an unbiased of our performance as best as I can.

The first half we played some nice football, Coutinho and Benteke linking up well, Firm showing some promise for his first game. If it wasn't for Cech, Coquelin last minute tackles, the woodwork and slight early season rust we could/should of been 2/3-1 up.

With Lucas in midfield we were defensively sound except for the "offside" goal that should of stood, due to Skrtle being a yard out of position playing Ramsey on. He also went on and got a needless yellow however his interception in the second half that could so easily have gone in his own goal (now idea how it didn't, it's Skrtle after all!) made up for it, as without that touch Walcott was in.

Lovren and Clyne were both steady, doing their job with Gomez standing out (what a buy).

The midfield trio worked hard and well together and we were fairly balanced.

Second half Arsenal woke up and were pounding at the door, we did well to defend it with only the odd attack, maybe with Sturridge back and Can/Ibe with a few games under their belt the counter attacks will be more promising.

Moreno came on and ran off with the ball again, if he could sort his final pass/decision making he can make a great impact sub.

Mig made a couple of great saves, missed one punch on a cross but otherwise did well.

Overall, before the game a draw at Arsenal is a good result, however once their CB partnership were both out of the game we needed to be ruthless with our finishing and we'd of won it on the first half. It is still early in the season.

25 Aug 2015 13:51:18
Logical

What a wonderful way to have a go at Skrtel. Brilliant. The lad shouldn't touch the ball at all.

25 Aug 2015 13:51:59
I can understand your point Bob, I even agree with some parts of it to a certain extent (my original post was not aimed solely at yourself by the way). I too would like to see us keep up a high and aggressive tempo for 90 mins. This however assumes some rather large things.

1. That the other team is either incapable or unwilling to prevent us from doing this.

2. Our team has the skill and energy to enforce this.

Did we take our foot off the gas or did arsenal do that? I don't know because I was unlucky enough to miss the game, ED001 suggested a little of both. I think it's naïve to assume that a team of arsenals quality would not be able to do anything to prevent us from playing that way the whole game so I'm inclined to say that it's not possible (against good opposition) to do that.

There is a phrase that keeps getting thrown around this forum a lot (which I'm not overly fond of) that seems appropriate in this case "There is only one statistic that matters - how many games you win" It's simplistic but apt in the correct context.

Thanks for chipping in everyone, intelligent and civilised debate is always positive.

25 Aug 2015 13:28:11
Bob has it bang on, stats should be used to enforce an argument alongside other information and should not, as some posters seem to do, just be plastered about with no reference as to where they came from.

25 Aug 2015 14:26:20
To be fair though Bob, I haven't seen a "man utd chelsea City Arsenal esque title winning performance" yet in the opening 3 games of Man Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea.

I agree we are not playing as well as we would all like to see, but I don't see why we should be any more worried than we would be if we supported these teams. And nobody expects them to have a poor season.

People, pessimistically but quite fairly, said wait and see how the defence holds up against Arsenal before we celebrate the clean sheets.

We came away with another, so let's have a break from the moaning and save it for when we're not third in the table.

25 Aug 2015 14:53:25
87.3% of all stats are made up on the spot.

25 Aug 2015 15:15:49
Joe you've certainly seen it from City though.

25 Aug 2015 21:42:09
Boba you should say: i use stats whenever they suit my argument!
Arsenal had 19 shots you say, 5 of them only on target and 1 hit the post so 6 shots on target. While we had 8 and hit the post twice so 10 shots on target so these stats say we were the more dangerous team and certainly the stat of Peter Cech being Motm suggests we could have won. I can't stand this nonsense about when we play well its other teams that are awful and vica versa, it defies all logic.

26 Aug 2015 08:33:42
Malak how about that other stat. arsenal also scored a goal. we didn't

26 Aug 2015 09:30:33
That stat is in your head, Arsenal did NOT score and the game ended 0-0! So move on with this nonsense.







 

 

 
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