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25 Aug 2015 22:06:44
Re : Irish Rover - absolutely brilliant post and right on the money !
Waro won't like being caught out, but I'm sure he's man enough to realise how right you are in this instance.

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25 Aug 2015 23:10:27
I'm the first to admit when I've gotten something wrong my mate, and on this i'm 1000% right. Your obviously part of the deluded crew and that's your choice but I will always call you lot out when your embarrassing Liverpool supporters. You need to read the earlier posts and my last post again, and if you can't understand that CELEBRATING a 0-0 at Arsenal like a victory as apposed to finding the result satisfactory is embarrassing, then there's no hope for you.

26 Aug 2015 03:29:32
Spot on, Waro! It was a satisfactory result but NOT worth celebrating, for sure.

26 Aug 2015 07:05:40
i agree with waro on this one.

this is winning mentality were talking about. decent result at a difficult place, bt celebrating a draw against arsenal is probably what teams in the relegation zone do. we should celebrate getting 3 points, not a point no matter who we are up against.

maybe irish rover is right, we're no longer thinking like we did back in the 80's, you know, when we were dominating? cause that's what teams like barcelona do currently, they're dominating. maybe that's why we're not winning anymore, cause we can't even think like a winner.

26 Aug 2015 08:05:25
Your abit off there Kaizer.

Can I just ask do you think our success back in the 80's was because the fans had a winning mentality?

And that the reason were not successful now is because we don't have a winning mentality?

26 Aug 2015 08:06:24
It's relative versus absolute. Waro is right from an absolute point if view. Beating Arsenal 5-1 is worthy of celebrating whilst a 0-0 draw is just a draw.

From a relative point of view, we got stuffed last year by Arsenal and our form was terrible. Monday was a sign that our coaches are working, the defensive set up is improving and that all in all we are on an upward trajectory (relative to last year). Perhaps that is worthy of celebration. Baby steps should be encouraged as well as giant leaps.

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26 Aug 2015 08:22:18
Waro, no I'm deluded. You are 1000% right that nobody should be celebrating a draw. Most of your points are well thought out and I agree with a lot of them. But do you not feel Rover is saying That we are where we are, we all thought we'd get beat, we were happy enough with the draw as something to build on (including yourself). So it's a case of people coming on here saying "this is encouraging, let's move on", not "ok we drew, let's all go on the Arsenal page to rub their noses in it"

26 Aug 2015 09:27:51
no free speech. my last paragraph was talking about liverpool sitting back being happy to take the draw in the second half unlike in the first half where we were evidently attacking when we have possession.

the second paragraph, about the winning mentality was only responding in agreement to waro's statement. he didn't say the results were bad. he was just saying people are celebrating the draw.

26 Aug 2015 09:46:41
Speak for your self when you say we thought we'd get beat. Before the team sheet I was a bit nervous but when we put our best team out were very capable of beating anyone.

26 Aug 2015 10:39:13
I didn't think we'd get beat but then I never do 😉

26 Aug 2015 10:41:47
Molby, the op were this came from was iranred putting arsenal fans down and appearing elated with a 0-0, now that for me is how the good folk at Walton fc behave after that type of result and it's to our clubs detriment that A LOT of our fans seem to have the same attitude, I was brought up on success I agree, and a lot of the new breed haven't seen or been to the places I've been to and I understand that, but they haven't exactly been starved of success in the last 25 years have they? We've won every trophy apart from the premier league in the last 2 and a bit decades including a treble,and almost won the league a few times, so to say they've been success starved as some posters have suggested is an out and out lie, these cups may not have been as frequent as the 70's and 80's but they've still happened.

So in my eyes, people celebrating like evertonians who have won 1 trophy in the same period I'm talking about above is IMHO shocking!!

26 Aug 2015 11:07:34
Waro, that's fair enough and I know your very passionate about the club, rightly so, but my point wasn't with regard to Iran, but with regard to Rover, who makes a very valid argument.
We're coming off the back of a disastrous season, we want three points, but Irish Rover wasn't celebrating, he was saying "I'll take the draw" . It's all relative to where we are and where we want to be.

26 Aug 2015 11:17:23
Don't worry Ron, I've got a few mates who were exactly the same, took me years to straighten them out, now there far more realistic in there thought process.😉

26 Aug 2015 12:05:15
But molby, I didn't make that comment toward irishrover, he involved himself in the thread because some of the points I made must have resonated with him and he took offense to them I'm guessing, so I didn't accuse him of anything. This is why some people need to read a post a few times and not flick through it and make a snap judgment.







 

 

 
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