31 Aug 2015 21:24:53
Everyone on this forum appreciates football has moved on from the tika-taka Barcelona played 4-5 years ago
Football has moved on
Reference Germany hammering Brazil
Bayern hammering Barcelona
We stumbled on this new style of play when we played Suarez / Sterling / Sturridge up front
High press and Moving the ball as quick as possible to these front three who had pace and trickery and went directly for goal as a front 3 - it was all about attempts on goal
It proved so successful that it nearly won us the league
Within 2 seasons we lost these players
Lost all the pace and trickery
And trying to play the en vogue 4-2-3-1 but with the wrong type of players
Secret to this system is still pace and trickery in the counter-attacks
City realised hence - sterling + de bruyne
Chelsea realised hence - Pedro + failed gamble cuadrado and Oscar
United trying with - depay + young (failed with Pedro and di Maria )
Arsenal - Sanchez + showing not working with Ozil
Reason for failures is because the system needs place with electric pace and quality trickery to beat defenders to create genuine goal scoring attempts
See Bayern with robben and ribery
31 Aug 2015 23:04:07
Yes very true . Balance pace and at least! One midfielder who can control the game and deliver a ball from deep and can be deft enough to play in front of back 4 . Full of limited utility midfielders we are . No pace . Blueprints of any good prem lge sides are built on these fundamentals . Palace Swansea for e.g use this basis and it's showing . Excuse the pun but " we are going nowhere fast!!"
{Ed001's Note - it is not about pace, it is about moving the ball with pace. This is why English sides have fallen so far behind, the obsession with physical ability over technique.}
31 Aug 2015 23:46:21
What a load of tosh. Any system with players that follow the instructions will win you the league.
I also get the feeling you may well be harry.
Atletico won the league in 2014 with 4-4-2 a formation consigned to the history book and got to the final of the champions league,and Bayern in all their years of playing 4-2-3-1 only won 1 champions league.Ribery is quite frankly a myth,with poor finishing and crossing and very little trickery,I was astounded he was ever in with a chance of player of the year. Barcelona once again returned to the elite this year playing 4-3-3,but utilising player in numbers of roles.Suarez covering back,iniesta ticking the play over keeping posession,rakitic looking for space inbetween players to spread the play,with Messi and Neymar keeping defenses spread by staying wide.I could go on with Atleticos 4-4-2 but I won't.
The trick to any team being successful is having no weak links,a regular playing 11 of pure quality who know each others games,the lines they need to draw,passes to make etc etc. If pace and trickery is what was required how come a slow Atletico won la liga and got to the final of the champions league taking it to extra time? how did Juventus get to the final last year and win 3 scudettos on the trot? Why did Bayern during their glory years of Robben and Ribery lose 2 bundesliga titles to a Dortmund of Goetze,Gundongan,Hummels,Lewandowski,Bender,Kehl,Subotic etc etc.
01 Sep 2015 01:30:41
Well a few years ago we signed a manager that was supposed to develop a style of play that didn't require the worlds best players; for the simple fact that we can't afford the worlds best players.
However, our fearless leader abandoned that idea, and abandoned the tactics and intelligence that made him a great prospect at Swansea. He is simply trying to become his mentor. A man that will rely on big names, rather than nouse. On starpower over willpower. We can never move forward if we try to play the same financial games that Chelsea and City play.
We need something else, something that a few clubs still have, but is becoming very rare, and will die out entirely if we don't revive it. (Dortmund of a few years ago, Bilbao of a few years ago, Atletico overcoming Barca and Real, Stuttgart, Wolfsberg etc, Even LFC in 08-09)
That something that sets you apart from the pack, that isn't unlimited money. It still exists, but we need the right people and attitude to find it.
In all honesty, we have a squad that can challenge, but our manager doesn't seem to believe so.
01 Sep 2015 05:30:38
yeah barcelona's tika taka system looked dead last season. they didn't come close to beating anyone decent or winning any trophies.
{Ed001's Note - they have never played a tiki taka system, they certainly never played it last season, no matter what crap the media peddles.}